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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:10:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [scribes]: translation help needed

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Dear fellow scribes:
Per the missive below, Mistress Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenberg is offering to provide German translations for scribes.  She is a native German speaker originally from Drachenwald, now living in AEthelmearc -- and a wonderful lady!  :-)
Arianna
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:20:36 EST
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To: arianna_wyn@yahoo.com

Mistress Arianna:
Please feel free o forward my email address to the scribes list.  If I can help I gladly will.  It might not be period German but I will do my best to come as close as possible.
Thanks
Elisabeth 

Karen Kasper

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<P>Dear fellow scribes:
<P>Per the missive below, Mistress Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenberg is offering to provide German translations for scribes.&nbsp; She&nbsp;is a native German speaker originally from Drachenwald, now living in AEthelmearc -- and a wonderful lady!&nbsp; :-)
<P>Arianna
<P>&nbsp;<B><I>BOSTONHAHN@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com<BR>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:20:36 EST<BR>Subject: Re: [scribes]: translation help needed<BR>To: arianna_wyn@yahoo.com<BR><BR><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Mistress Arianna:<BR>Please feel free o forward my email address to the scribes list.&nbsp; If I can help I gladly will.&nbsp; It might not be period German but I will do my best to come as close as possible.<BR>Thanks<BR>Elisabeth</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><BR><BR>Karen Kasper<br><br>"Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater."     Gail Godwin<br><br>"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains."<br>Mary Pettibone Poole, A Glass Eye at a Keyhole, 1938<p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:34:49 -0500
From: moonlight_dancer@earthlink.net
Subject: [scribes]: wording for competition scrolls

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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>.Greetings, <BR><BR>I'm in need of aid&nbsp; for wording for winning competition scrolls. I've never done any before or even seen them up close. <BR><BR>I'm assuming the following needs to be on it:<BR>event name<BR>hosting group name<BR>competition name<BR>winners name<BR>date<BR>autocrat's signature<BR><BR>what else???<BR>if king and queen attend the event do they sign too??<BR>more info??<BR>more wording??<BR><BR>I'm putting some small illumination on them.<BR><BR>Tamara<BR>web site and winner scrolls for Cutlasses and Corsairs.<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:46:05 EST
From: RenScribe@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Heralds & Scribes

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I have been asked to send out a reminder that AEthelmearc's Heralds & Scribes 
Collegium is this weekend in State College PA (Shire of Nithgaard)

More information on the event is available at
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~whutchis/HandS/index.html

The web site includes the event announcement, class schedule and class 
descriptions. 

Safe journey
Yvianne

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<BR>
More information on the event is available at<BR>
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~whutchis/HandS/index.html<BR>
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The web site includes the event announcement, class schedule and class descriptions. <BR>
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Safe journey<BR>
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:02:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Linda Nichols <napa_linda@yahoo.com>
Subject: [scribes]: vine colors

 
I've noticed that most period manuscripts that have
leafy vines in them are usually colored in reds and/or
blues... 
I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend who
is really into black & dark colors. My question is
simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk green and
paint the leaves in alternating black and gold?? 
Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or is this
simple a big no no!!! If this is a no no can some one
give some alternatives??

Thanx in advance...
Rosalinda of Castile
BMDL AEthelmearc


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:33:03 -0600
From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

At 07:02 AM 11/22/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I've noticed that most period manuscripts that have
>leafy vines in them are usually colored in reds and/or
>blues...
>I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend who
>is really into black & dark colors. My question is
>simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk green and
>paint the leaves in alternating black and gold??
>Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or is this
>simple a big no no!!!

I don't see why you couldn't do this (dark green vine with black and gold 
leaves).  Many manuscripts have only gold leaves on them and if the green 
you use for the vine is dark, most people won't realize it's a shade of 
green (rather than black) at all.  Remember, you can be a bit creative in 
this stuff.  You don't have to be slavish to the originals unless you're 
doing it for an A&S entry.  Even then, you'd probably get as many points 
for creativity (maybe more) as you'd lose in the authenticity category for 
a simple change like this.

*grin*  If people can do Donald Duck and Winnie the Pooh scrolls, you 
certainly can change the color on a couple of leaves!  *grin*

I hope it turns out well.

Smiles,
Despina de la this is for your friend, do what your friend would like


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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:30:47 -0600
From: Geordon VanTassle <gvantass@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

  On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:02:16 GMT -0800 (PST) (which was
  9:02 AM where I live), thus spake Linda Nichols on the subject of
  "[scribes]: vine colors":

One of these days, I'm going to be pilloried and burned as a heretic.
That's the disclaimer. ;)


 
LN> I've noticed that most period manuscripts that have
LN> leafy vines in them are usually colored in reds and/or
LN> blues...

This is true, from what I've seen.  And, I've even seen primary
resources. :)

LN> I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend who
LN> is really into black & dark colors. My question is
LN> simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk green and
LN> paint the leaves in alternating black and gold?? 
LN> Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or is this
LN> simple a big no no!!! If this is a no no can some one
LN> give some alternatives??

Remember, "SCA" does NOT stand for "Society for Compulsive
Authenticity" but rather "Society for *Creative* Anachronism"

keeping my disclaimer in mind, who says that you can't give your
friend what they like?  After all, this piece you're doing isn't going
in for an A&S competition, is it?

Personally, I would recommend that you try it out, first, rather than
just going for "broke" on the actual piece.  That way, you can get an
idea as to what the finished product will look like.  (By the way, I'd
be interested in seeing how that color scheme looks...)

LN> Thanx in advance...
LN> Rosalinda of Castile
LN> BMDL AEthelmearc

Let's watch "them" lay the tinder at my feet, shall we? >;)  Nothing
like a good burning to get the other heretics in line.

Pax,

Conchobar

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:33:43 -0600
From: "Vicki Crouse" <vickc@ksde.org>
Subject: [scribes]: vines

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...I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend who
is really into black & dark colors. My question is
simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk green and
paint the leaves in alternating black and gold?? 
Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or is this
 simple a big no no!!! If this is a no no can some one
 give some alternatives??...

While blue and red are very common, I have seen period examples of
several color combinations of leaves and vines. Even one of heavily
black outlined leaves of gold with green vines. It was an early French
piece, I think. Not all leafy vines were alternating colors. Something
to think about.

Victoria

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<DIV><BR>...I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend who<BR>is really 
into black &amp; dark colors. My question is<BR>simply this... can I paint the 
vine in a dk green and<BR>paint the leaves in alternating black and gold?? 
<BR>Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or is this<BR>&nbsp;simple a big 
no no!!! If this is a no no can some one<BR>&nbsp;give some 
alternatives??...</DIV>
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color combinations of leaves and vines. Even one of heavily black outlined 
leaves of gold with green vines. It was an early&nbsp;French piece, I think. Not 
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:19:01 -0800
From: <branwen@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:02:16 -0800 (PST) Linda Nichols <napa_linda@yahoo.com>
wrote:

 
> I've noticed that most period manuscripts that
> have
> leafy vines in them are usually colored in reds
> and/or
> blues... 
> I'm currently doing an award scroll for a
> friend who
> is really into black & dark colors. My question
> is
> simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk
> green and
> paint the leaves in alternating black and
> gold?? 
> Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or
> is this
> simple a big no no!!! If this is a no no can
> some one
> give some alternatives??

Red, blue, and gold are the most common (about
99%) colors for the leaves in this style. Since
your friend likes gold, black, and green, do
the leaves in these three colors and have the
miniature (you were going to do a miniature,
right? :-) ) have green and black in it.

Branwen ferch Emrys
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:40:52 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

If your friend likes green and black, do the scroll in those colors and throw in
some others.  While most of the period pieces were in red/blue/gold, there are
exceptions.  And of course, you could always do something other than the vine
style.  Maybe a Black hours with lots of green?  That would be way cool.

I recently finished doing a vine style scroll for a friend who works at
Disneyland (and has for the last 22 years).  She's really big into Maleficent,
the evil witch in Sleeping Beauty.  On her scroll I did the usual red/blue bars
with white work, and the vines in black with red/blue/gold leaves and doodads.
But I also put in the following elements:  the scroll started with "Once upon a
time" in gold lettering, and ended with "and they all lived happily ever after.
The End." (the entire text read like your average fairy tale); There were
additional vines in green designed to look like the thorns Maleficent surrounds
the castle with; on the bottom bar, there was a scene of Prince Philip fighting
Maleficent in dragon form; the bird sitting in the branches was M's raven; M
herself was drawn into the side, surrounded by vines; many of the round gold
balls in the vinework you see in this style suddenly became 3 round conjoined
balls - to make them look like Mickey Mouse's head (most people didn't even
catch that one when they looked at the scroll) and the whitework on one of the
bars, looked at from a particular angle, also had the mouse head theme.  Bridget
has a castle in her arms and I was tempted to heist the Disney castle logo, but
couldn't find a good representation of it in time.

I'll post pictures of it enventually when I get around to setting up another
website (my provider went bye-bye a couple of months ago).

Period?  Hardly.  More period-oid.  But Bridget adores the scroll.

Tetchubah

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:31:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

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Rosalinda, you should be able to please your friend and be authentic too - just make all the leaves gold and use black on the vines and accents.  I've seen a number of illuminations that were mostly gold and black...  Look at the cover of the Braziller Book on French illumination (I've forgotten the title, getting senile) with a gold castle design at the top. 
So, is your friend by any chance a Steelers fan? :-) 
Arianna 
P.S. Tetchubah, please say hi and congratulations to Lady Bridget for me!  Tell her Arianna from AEthelmearc, she'll know.


Karen Kasper

"Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater."     Gail Godwin

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<P>Rosalinda, you should be able to please your friend and be authentic too - just make all the leaves gold and use black on the vines and accents.&nbsp; I've seen a number of illuminations that were mostly gold and black...&nbsp;&nbsp;Look at&nbsp;the cover of the Braziller Book on French illumination (I've forgotten the title, getting senile) with a gold castle design at the top. 
<P>So, is your friend by any chance a Steelers fan? :-) 
<P>Arianna 
<P>P.S. Tetchubah, please say hi and congratulations to Lady Bridget for me!&nbsp; Tell her Arianna from AEthelmearc, she'll know.</P><BR><BR>Karen Kasper<br><br>"Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater."     Gail Godwin<br><br>"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains."<br>Mary Pettibone Poole, A Glass Eye at a Keyhole, 1938<p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:00:39 -0500
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

I've seen it played with by other scribes as the vine in a green, and autumn leaf colors (red, orange, and yellow) placed on the ivy... Black I'd be a little wary of, considering I haven't seen many occurrences of solid-black objects in gothic-style illumination/bar-and-ivy.

The black hours idea may sit better, if you're looking for period reference, although I recall posing the question a couple of months ago on either on this list or the EK scribes list about evidence of a combination of Black Hours and Bar and Ivy. The responses were pretty much that you will find lots of *acanthus* related to searches on Black Hours, but the Gothic style was much earlier and thus probably not combined. But considering the Black Hours are such a rarity (leaves of manuscript unfortunately self-destructed?) as it is, it *might* have happened.

When in doubt, I defer to Chiara de Ravenna for Black Hours stuff. (Hi Chiara!) ;)

If you need a specific name for a black hours manuscript, try searching the web for the Vienna Codex.

'Luck!

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:01:20 EST
From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

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In a message dated 11/22/2002 10:04:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
napa_linda@yahoo.com writes:


> can I paint the vine in a dk green and
> paint the leaves in alternating black and gold?? 
> 

You can certainly do that. Test the black leaves out first. You are probably 
going to have to do some whitework on them to make them look like leaves 
instead of black triangles, since it is difficult to shade black.

You might also try gold and green leaves with a black vine. Or be crazy like 
me and do a gold vine (I did mine with real gold leaf) and the leaves in 
black and green. I just did one for Pennsic that was silver, green and black 
because those were the main colors in the recipient's device. I did a solid 
silver leaf background with green leaves and a black vine. I also did a bar 
down the side of the text devided into rectangles that alternated all three 
colors with a lot of whitework geometric designs on it that really spruced it 
up. I did not have any specific manuscript I modelled it after, but I think 
it is important to give the recipient something they will like, not just go 
for that authenticity at all costs. If it is not for a competition than it 
does not matter as long as the recipient likes it and you are happy with the 
results. 

I have seen some examples of green vines too. Not everything is black, blue 
and gold. Lots of Flemish stuff has green vines and a variety of leaf colors.

Brandy
(Brandwyn Alston of the Rift, Atlantia Royal Scrivener)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/22/2002 10:04:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, napa_linda@yahoo.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">can I paint the vine in a dk green and
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<BR>You can certainly do that. Test the black leaves out first. You are probably going to have to do some whitework on them to make them look like leaves instead of black triangles, since it is difficult to shade black.
<BR>
<BR>You might also try gold and green leaves with a black vine. Or be crazy like me and do a gold vine (I did mine with real gold leaf) and the leaves in black and green. I just did one for Pennsic that was silver, green and black because those were the main colors in the recipient's device. I did a solid silver leaf background with green leaves and a black vine. I also did a bar down the side of the text devided into rectangles that alternated all three colors with a lot of whitework geometric designs on it that really spruced it up. I did not have any specific manuscript I modelled it after, but I think it is important to give the recipient something they will like, not just go for that authenticity at all costs. If it is not for a competition than it does not matter as long as the recipient likes it and you are happy with the results. 
<BR>
<BR>I have seen some examples of green vines too. Not everything is black, blue and gold. Lots of Flemish stuff has green vines and a variety of leaf colors.
<BR>
<BR>Brandy
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:31:14 EST
From: Annoney@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Calligraphy style looks like Kufi

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:40:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Tamberlin <tamberlinofnk@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: vine colors

I agree.  If you're doing something for someone
personally there is no reason you can't give them
somthing that they would prefer.  (baring decent taste
of course) Give it a try.  If it looks good then
great.

Tamberlin

- --- Geordon VanTassle <gvantass@interaccess.com>
wrote:
>   On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 07:02:16 GMT -0800
> (PST) (which was
>   9:02 AM where I live), thus spake Linda Nichols on
> the subject of
>   "[scribes]: vine colors":
> 
> One of these days, I'm going to be pilloried and
> burned as a heretic.
> That's the disclaimer. ;)
> 
> 
>  
> LN> I've noticed that most period manuscripts that
> have
> LN> leafy vines in them are usually colored in reds
> and/or
> LN> blues...
> 
> This is true, from what I've seen.  And, I've even
> seen primary
> resources. :)
> 
> LN> I'm currently doing an award scroll for a friend
> who
> LN> is really into black & dark colors. My question
> is
> LN> simply this... can I paint the vine in a dk
> green and
> LN> paint the leaves in alternating black and gold??
> 
> LN> Would it still be somewhat "period looking" or
> is this
> LN> simple a big no no!!! If this is a no no can
> some one
> LN> give some alternatives??
> 
> Remember, "SCA" does NOT stand for "Society for
> Compulsive
> Authenticity" but rather "Society for *Creative*
> Anachronism"
> 
> keeping my disclaimer in mind, who says that you
> can't give your
> friend what they like?  After all, this piece you're
> doing isn't going
> in for an A&S competition, is it?
> 
> Personally, I would recommend that you try it out,
> first, rather than
> just going for "broke" on the actual piece.  That
> way, you can get an
> idea as to what the finished product will look like.
>  (By the way, I'd
> be interested in seeing how that color scheme
> looks...)
> 
> LN> Thanx in advance...
> LN> Rosalinda of Castile
> LN> BMDL AEthelmearc
> 
> Let's watch "them" lay the tinder at my feet, shall
> we? >;)  Nothing
> like a good burning to get the other heretics in
> line.
> 
> Pax,
> 
> Conchobar
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Geordon                           
> mailto:gvantass@interaccess.com
> 
> Your fortune: "If passion drives you, let reason
> hold the reigns." 
> 
>
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