From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #86 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, November 20 2002 Volume 08 : Number 086 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Technical pens [scribes]: where to order online [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question Re: [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question Re: [scribes]: where to order online Re: [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question RE: [scribes]: where to order online [scribes]: vellum online Re: [scribes]: vellum online Re: [scribes]: vellum online [scribes]: Nib Holder RE: [scribes]: Nib Holder RE: [scribes]: Nib Holder [scribes]: translation help needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: [scribes]: Technical pens Someone posted a question a while back about technical pens folks use, and it took me a while to find this label, but wanted to share it (sorry if I'm duplicating someone). My personal favorite is the rapid-o-graph pen series, but they are pricey, very delicate and can travel inconsistently, due to chamber presures. Someone turned me onto a throwaway pen a while back, the Pigma 'Micron' pens. I don't like them for a complete handmade scroll, but they do well in a pinch, when you need a quick fix, or for charters and promisories. I doubted the company claims on waterproof feature, so looked up the website for further details, yep they say it's waterproof, acid free: http://www.gellyroll.com/products/pens/pigmamicron/pigmamicron.html Keep scribing, Hillary, Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 7:11:43 -0500 From: moonlight_dancer@earthlink.net Subject: [scribes]: where to order online

 
 
 
Where can one order online actual parchment or vellum or maybe the ingredients for period ink?
 
Tamara

=================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:14:18 -0500 From: "Klaus and Mea" Subject: [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C28FA3.A836CC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, At war I bought a couple pieces of opaline (sp) vellum. I would = like to get more, but much to my shame I can't remember who I bought it = from. It was the woman who's shop is attached to Klaus the Toy makers. = Can anyone help me? Or do you know of another source? Thanks! Mea ; ) =C6thelmearc - ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C28FA3.A836CC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
    At war I bought a = couple pieces=20 of opaline (sp) vellum.  I would like to get more, but much to = my shame I can't remember who I bought it from.  It was the = woman=20 who's shop is attached to Klaus the Toy makers. Can anyone help me? Or = do you=20 know of another source?
 
Thanks!
Mea ; )
=C6thelmearc
- ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C28FA3.A836CC80-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Kasper Subject: Re: [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question - --0-2113283674-1037714846=:5511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The lady you are talking about is Mistress Megan ni Laine, Baroness of Stonemarche (New Hampshire), and I believe her shop is called the Guild of Limners. I don't have it with me here at work, but if you still have your merchant's guide from any recent Pennsic you should be able to find her contact information. She's been selling at Pennsic for at least a dozen years, perhaps more. Arianna Klaus and Mea wrote: Greetings, At war I bought a couple pieces of opaline (sp) vellum. I would like to get more, but much to my shame I can't remember who I bought it from. It was the woman who's shop is attached to Klaus the Toy makers. Can anyone help me? Or do you know of another source? Thanks! Mea ; )Æthelmearc Karen Kasper "Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater." Gail Godwin "To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains." Mary Pettibone Poole, A Glass Eye at a Keyhole, 1938 - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site - --0-2113283674-1037714846=:5511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

The lady you are talking about is Mistress Megan ni Laine, Baroness of Stonemarche (New Hampshire), and I believe her shop is called the Guild of Limners. 

I don't have it with me here at work, but if you still have your merchant's guide from any recent Pennsic you should be able to find her contact information.  She's been selling at Pennsic for at least a dozen years, perhaps more.

Arianna

 Klaus and Mea <klausandmea@stny.rr.com> wrote:

Greetings,
    At war I bought a couple pieces of opaline (sp) vellum.  I would like to get more, but much to my shame I can't remember who I bought it from.  It was the woman who's shop is attached to Klaus the Toy makers. Can anyone help me? Or do you know of another source?
 
Thanks!
Mea ; )
Æthelmearc


Karen Kasper

"Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater." Gail Godwin

"To repeat what others have said, requires education; to challenge it, requires brains."
Mary Pettibone Poole, A Glass Eye at a Keyhole, 1938


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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:18:09 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Opaline Vellum Question At 06:07 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Karen Kasper wrote: >The lady you are talking about is Mistress Megan ni Laine, Baroness of >Stonemarche (New Hampshire), and I believe her shop is called the Guild of >Limners. http://www.jcsparks.com/painted/Materials_Links.html has a great listing of stores/merchants that sell parchment, opaline vellum, ink supplies and other things we all love. Please be advised though, last I heard Rick Cavasin is no longer making/selling parchment. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:18:57 -0000 From: Christina Nevin Subject: RE: [scribes]: where to order online That URL doesn't work. Try http://www.talas-nyc.com/ instead. Lucrezia - -----Original Message----- From: Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil [mailto:aheilvei@uiuc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:15 PM To: moonlight_dancer@earthlink.net; scribes Subject: Re: [scribes]: where to order online >Where can one order online actual parchment or vellum or maybe the >ingredients for period ink? Talas.com for parchment. Love their French goatskin. Master John the Artificer also sells parchment and oak galls for ink. If you do a google search for him, he comes up fairly quickly. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:52:16 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: vellum online - --part1_141.305d61f.2b0baa20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/2002 9:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes: > > Talas.com for parchment. Love their French goatskin. I was very unhappy with the parchment I ordered from Talas. It was beautiful to look at but very thin and fussy to work on. It also had a slippery/greasy surface to it ... even after extra prep work. If it happened once I would say... sure that's the nature of vellum, but it happened on 2 different orders. I haven't received any response from BookMakers. I wrote to them and asked if it was possible to get some samples to order from http://www.bookmakerscatalog.com/catalog/leather/vellum.htm#cut%20vellum I was able to get samples and a price list from Jesse Meyer. There are some old Rialto files where he has posted. From what I have seen, he seems like a really nice person to deal with. Jesse Meyer - Parchment Maker 11 Factory St., PO Box 307 Montgomery, NY, 12549 B: 845.457.3834 Fax: 845.457.9115 email: mctanner@pioneeris.net http://www.bookartsfair.org/exh%20jesse%20meyer.htm Hope this helps Yvianne AEthelmearc - --part1_141.305d61f.2b0baa20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/19/2002 9:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes:


Talas.com for parchment.  Love their French goatskin.


I was very unhappy with the parchment I ordered from Talas. It was beautiful to look at but very thin and fussy to work on. It also had a slippery/greasy surface to it ... even after extra prep work. If it happened once I would say... sure that's the nature of vellum, but it happened on 2 different orders. 

I haven't received any response from BookMakers. I wrote to them and asked if it was possible to get some samples to order from
http://www.bookmakerscatalog.com/catalog/leather/vellum.htm#cut%20vellum

I was able to get samples and a price list from Jesse Meyer.  There are some old Rialto files where he has posted. From what I have seen, he seems like a really nice person to deal with.

Jesse Meyer - Parchment Maker
11 Factory St., PO Box 307
Montgomery, NY, 12549
B: 845.457.3834 Fax: 845.457.9115
email: mctanner@pioneeris.net
http://www.bookartsfair.org/exh%20jesse%20meyer.htm


Hope this helps

Yvianne
AEthelmearc
 - --part1_141.305d61f.2b0baa20_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:07:09 -0600 From: Cindy Baker Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum online I also recommend Jesse Meyer's parchment. I recently ordered some & the quality was very good. Ellen of the Scholars At 09:52 AM 11/19/2002 -0500, RenScribe@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/19/2002 9:13:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, >aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes: > >> >>Talas.com for parchment. Love their French goatskin. > > >I was very unhappy with the parchment I ordered from Talas. It was >beautiful to look at but very thin and fussy to work on. It also had a >slippery/greasy surface to it ... even after extra prep work. If it >happened once I would say... sure that's the nature of vellum, but it >happened on 2 different orders. > >I haven't received any response from BookMakers. I wrote to them and asked >if it was possible to get some samples to order from >http://www.bookmakerscatalog.com/catalog/leather/vellum.htm#cut%20vellum > >I was able to get samples and a price list from Jesse Meyer. There are >some old Rialto files where he has posted. From what I have seen, he seems >like a really nice person to deal with. > >Jesse Meyer - Parchment Maker >11 Factory St., PO Box 307 >Montgomery, NY, 12549 >B: 845.457.3834 Fax: 845.457.9115 >email: mctanner@pioneeris.net >http://www.bookartsfair.org/exh%20jesse%20meyer.htm > > >Hope this helps > >Yvianne >AEthelmearc =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:18:34 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum online At 09:52 AM 11/19/2002 -0500, RenScribe@aol.com wrote: >>Talas.com for parchment. Love their French goatskin. > > >I was very unhappy with the parchment I ordered from Talas. It was >beautiful to look at but very thin and fussy to work on. It also had a >slippery/greasy surface to it ... even after extra prep work. If it >happened once I would say... sure that's the nature of vellum, but it >happened on 2 different orders. That's too bad. The skins I've always gotten from them are thin, yes (I happen to like them that way, personal taste) but they've been a dream on which to work. They have required very little extra prep work and have taken color and ink like a dream. I'm always willing to try new sources though and the one you listed sounds intriguing. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ciar inghean ui Fhothaidh Subject: [scribes]: Nib Holder - --0-1459846117-1037749699=:7768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay I bought my first metal calligraphy set, as opposed to the fountain pens and calligraphy markers I learned with. I am having a big problem, or two rather. The nib rocks in the pen holder, making control interesting, or the nib will fall out completely (as into the inkwell). I have tried rebending the metal tabs inside with off and on success. So, is it my nib holder or is this just a common problem? My mother said she had the same problem 30+ years ago in High school with the exact same set up. Are there nib holders that have been updated since then? Or should I just skip this set up and go straight to learning how to cut my own reeds and quills? Thank you - --Kiara ________________________ Online: Kiara MoonPanther SCA: Ciar inghean ui Fhothaidh Mistress of Lists and Book Heraldry Deputy, Barony of Madrone (Seattle, WA) Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/zine/kiarapanther Moderator for Blackwork@YahooGroups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Blackwork - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site - --0-1459846117-1037749699=:7768 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Okay I bought my first metal calligraphy set, as opposed to the fountain pens and calligraphy markers I learned with.

I am having a big problem, or two rather.  The nib rocks in the pen holder, making control interesting, or the nib will fall out completely (as into the inkwell).  I have tried rebending the metal tabs inside with off and on success.

 

So, is it my nib holder or is this just a common problem?  My mother said she had the same problem 30+ years ago in High school with the exact same set up.  Are there nib holders that have been updated since then?  Or should I just skip this set up and go straight to learning how to cut my own reeds and quills?

 

Thank you

 

--Kiara

 

 

 



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Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site - --0-1459846117-1037749699=:7768-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:32:58 -0500 From: "Christopher Bogs" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Nib Holder >>The nib rocks in the pen holder, making control interesting, or the nib will fall out completely (as into the inkwell). I have tried rebending the metal tabs inside with off and on success. So, is it my nib holder or is this just a common problem?<< Kiara -- This sounds like it might be the kind of holder that has a round metal end with a "+" cut in it -- which has always looked like a badly-designed pen holder to me. There are lots of different holders out there, and I don't usually have this problem with the kinds I use. The nibs are supposed to seat firmly in the holder -- are you pushing them far enough in? (Don't break the nibs trying, though!) I wouldn't skip learning to use metal nibs -- I think it's a valuable skill-set and learning quills/reeds will likely be much easier if you're used to the dip pens first. Your best bet is to find a largish art store, find the section where they sell calligraphy supplies -- most places at least will sell Speedball nibs and holders if nothing else -- and buy the different kinds they have -- they'll often sell 2 or 3 kinds. They usually don't cost more than $1-2 each. See what works best for you! I've bought some of the Caran D'Ache "Grey Plastic Holders" from www.johnnealbooks.com, and I really like them. (If you'd rather order holders online, they have lots of types in their catalog -- click on "Holders".) I've also had good luck with the pointy-ended black plastic holders as well, but they eventually need replacing when they stop gripping the nib firmly. Good luck! :) Christopher - ------------------------------------------ Ld. Christopher Jameson / Christopher Bogs Bhakail, East Kingdom / Philadelphia, PA http://pobox.upenn.edu/~cbogs - ------------------------------------------ Don't tell my parents I'm in the SCA... they think I'm running guns & drugs for a biker gang. Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Nib Holder My favorite nib-holder is the Brause; it has a shape that helps you keep it at the right angle. It's available from Paper and Ink, and they have them in my favorite art store at CMU, too. Graidhne ni Ruaidh BMDL =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mahee Subject: [scribes]: translation help needed Is there anyone who have translate to late period German...and if not late period, modern? Thank you. Your servant, mahee __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #86 ****************************