From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #80 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, November 6 2002 Volume 08 : Number 080 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: technical pens Re: [scribes]: technical pens Re: [scribes]: technical pens Re: [scribes]: technical pens Re: [scribes]: technical pens [scribes]: Cat images? [scribes]: finally got it all scanned and posted Re: [scribes]: Cat images? Re: [scribes]: Cat images? Re: [scribes]: Cat images? Re: [scribes]: Cat images? Re: [scribes]: Cat images? [scribes]: Ireland Trip Re: [scribes]: Cat images? Re: [scribes]: Ireland Trip Re: [scribes]: Ireland Trip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: Barb Ding Subject: [scribes]: technical pens After a long stint of using only a dip crowquill, I'm returning to technical pens for reasons of speed and carrying convenience. My last set were all Rapidograph and though a few have survived storage and multiple moves, I no longer have a huge assortment of them. I'm wondering what other tech pens people are using for lining and why they like/dislike them - I will need to get a few new pens, so all input would be most welcome! Many thanks! Dorren __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:47:23 -0800 From: "Cathleen J. Winesburg-Balogh" Subject: Re: [scribes]: technical pens I like to keep a set of 7 Koh-I-Noor rapigograh pens on my drafting table. I find the variety of sizes availiable handy for different situations. The smallest is .25 and sometimes clogs with drying ink on the tip if I am using it very much, but a wipe with a soft cloth and a gentle tap works well. I had the same set for 6 years with no problems. They are easy to clean and I can leave ink in them for several weeks of non use. I know, "bad artist, bad!" I recently had to replace the whole set because I did something stupid. After our move to another state, I decided I should take them apart for complete cleaning. Not a big deal. I was careful to keep the parts separate. As I was walking back into the studio with the carefully separated parts on a tray, I triped and they went flying. Well, as you may have guessed, not all the parts are the same or interchangeable. I did some guessing as to what went to what and put them all back together. One worked fine but two leaked. Rather than risk any other leaks I decided to replace the whole set. We saved $30.00 by ordering them from a supplier online rather than the local over priced store we have in town. The one thing I have noticed is the pen body is splitting right where the nib and ink cartridge screw in. (it turns in the same direction as the lid) I plan to contact the company about it, but also still have the old ones. Also, if I had to, I could wrap a small piece of masking tape around it without it effecting my grip. The black ink has an archival rating and stood up well to my own test of putting it on the dashboard of the car for a week. (In southern California, summer) That was several years ago and I haven't checked for any changes in formula. Cat =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:28:44 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: technical pens >>Well, as you may have guessed, not all the parts are the same or interchangeable. I did some guessing as to what went to what and put them all back together.<< Actually, everything except the nib itself, and the case it goes in, are interchangeable. And the nib and the case should be color coded or marked so that you know which goes with which. I also use a 7 pen set of Rapidograph pens, and I take them apart en masse and clean them all the time without keeping the pieces from each pen separate. I've never had a problem with them leaking after my putting them back together. My pens have the nib sizes color coded - tan is the smallest size, then yellow or grey and so on. The nib itself has that color around the bottom of the wire, and then the case has that color around the nib collar. They will tend to leak as they get older, though. I've had this set for nearly 15 years and so far so good, but my sister gave me a set she had which is much older and they leak plenty, so I don't use them much. I think the newer pens are less prone to leakage than the older style (although the older ones are more aesthetic to look at IMO). Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:17:52 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: technical pens - --part1_14e.16e4a1b8.2af86830_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/02 1:26:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, dorrenash@yahoo.com writes: > I'm wondering what other tech pens people are using > for lining and why they like/dislike them - I will > need to get a few new pens, so all input would be most > welcome! > > Many thanks! > > Dorren > > My first rapidograph from high school died within 2 years - after an unfortunate incident between going through the washer AND dryer, and meeting my mother's clothing. (My ears still ring from that chewing-out) Following that, I kept a 5-pen set from Rotring as a Christmas gift during high school, which lasted through college. However, as time wore on, no amount of cleaning was getting the ink to flow as well, or at all (no blockages, just wear and tear from 4 1/2 years of use). These days my preferences are more towards the cheaper and disposable sort - Staedtler makes a good series of drafting pens, available at any Staples, in waterproof ink and varied nib widths. Likewise, for super-fine lines, I tried a crafter's pen once (available at Michael's), however, a couple of trips on an airplane brought that pen's livelihood to a close. I now use a microfine Sakura pen, which still gives crisp waterproof lines.... ....and if I need to make a nice crisp straight line in paint or pigmented/natural ink, I've been known to crack out my ruling pen and/or compass attachment/bezier curve. - --Kayleigh - --part1_14e.16e4a1b8.2af86830_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/02 1:26:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, dorrenash@yahoo.com writes:


I'm wondering what other tech pens people are using
for lining and why they like/dislike them - I will
need to get a few new pens, so all input would be most
welcome!

Many thanks!

Dorren



My first rapidograph from high school died within 2 years - after an unfortunate incident between going through the washer AND dryer, and meeting my mother's clothing. (My ears still ring from that chewing-out)

Following that, I kept a 5-pen set from Rotring as a Christmas gift during high school, which lasted through college. However, as time wore on, no amount of cleaning was getting the ink to flow as well, or at all (no blockages, just wear and tear from 4 1/2 years of use).

These days my preferences are more towards the cheaper and disposable sort - Staedtler makes a good series of drafting pens, available at any Staples, in waterproof ink and varied nib widths. Likewise, for super-fine lines, I tried a crafter's pen once (available at Michael's), however, a couple of trips on an airplane brought that pen's livelihood to a close. I now use a microfine Sakura pen, which still gives crisp waterproof lines....

....and if I need to make a nice crisp straight line in paint or pigmented/natural ink, I've been known to crack out my ruling pen and/or compass attachment/bezier curve.

--Kayleigh - --part1_14e.16e4a1b8.2af86830_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:39:44 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: technical pens I've never had much luck with ruling pens, myself. But Rapidograph makes ink in lots of colors that are pretty light fast and waterproof, so I generally use those if I have to get really really fine colored lines. Or simply a crowquill with paint. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:04:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sunshine Subject: [scribes]: Cat images? - --0-45107064-1036458275=:2461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone help me out here? I need something with a cat in it, I'm not picky about period, its for a gift. I have a lovely period poem, I just need the cat to go with it. I found a decent one in the Aberdeen bestiary, but I'm still looking around for anything good. Thanks for the help! Constance the catless. - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now - --0-45107064-1036458275=:2461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Can anyone help me out here? I need something with a cat in it, I'm not picky about period, its for a gift. I have a lovely period poem, I just need the cat to go with it. I found a decent one in the Aberdeen bestiary, but I'm still looking around for anything good.  Thanks for the help!

Constance the catless.


Do you Yahoo!?
HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now - --0-45107064-1036458275=:2461-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Melanie Subject: [scribes]: finally got it all scanned and posted http://www.thinkers.org/~mel/gallery/Illuminatedbyme Comments? Helpful suggestions? ~Dionysia __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? There is a marvelous calendar out called "The Proverbial Cat." It combines some nice calligraphy and an abundance of cats. Graidhne BMDL On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Sunshine wrote: > > Can anyone help me out here? I need something with a cat in it, I'm not picky about period, its for a gift. I have a lovely period poem, I just need the cat to go with it. I found a decent one in the Aberdeen bestiary, but I'm still looking around for anything good. Thanks for the help! > > Constance the catless. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:38:44 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? > > > Can anyone help me out here? I need something with a cat in it, I'm not > picky about period, its for a gift. I have a lovely period poem, I just > need the cat to go with it. I found a decent one in the Aberdeen > bestiary, but I'm still looking around for anything good. Thanks for the help! http://www.bjburycats.com/catangels.html http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm The second one is a hoot, IMO. *grin* Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 08:15:49 -0800 (PST) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? - --- "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" wrote: > http://www.bjburycats.com/catangels.html > > http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm > > The second one is a hoot, IMO. *grin* > > Smiles, > Despina I agree. :) I got the whole book as a gift from my lovely sister. The artwork is just exquisite--it looks for all the world as if these were really medieval illuminations. Márti Darach, Caid __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:34:42 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? - --part1_90.2e897e5e.2af9cbb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 10:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes: > http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm > > The second one is a hoot, IMO. *grin* > > Smiles, > Despina > > I have this book. :) Grabbed it off of the bargain book rack, a couple of years ago. She does some nice work - not just on the cute cats, but for the Gothic style as well.... - --Kayleigh - --part1_90.2e897e5e.2af9cbb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 10:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes:


http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm

The second one is a hoot, IMO.  *grin*

Smiles,
Despina



I have this book. :) Grabbed it off of the bargain book rack, a couple of years ago.
She does some nice work - not just on the cute cats, but for the Gothic style as well....

--Kayleigh - --part1_90.2e897e5e.2af9cbb2_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:55:31 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? - --part1_fd.207cfc54.2af9d093_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 10:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes: > http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm > > The second one is a hoot, IMO. *grin* > > Smiles, > Despina > > I have this book. :) Grabbed it off of the bargain book rack, a couple of years ago. She does some nice work - not just on the cute cats, but for the Gothic style as well.... - --Kayleigh - --part1_fd.207cfc54.2af9d093_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/02 10:41:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes:


http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm

The second one is a hoot, IMO.  *grin*

Smiles,
Despina



I have this book. :) Grabbed it off of the bargain book rack, a couple of years ago.
She does some nice work - not just on the cute cats, but for the Gothic style as well....

--Kayleigh - --part1_fd.207cfc54.2af9d093_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:06:18 -0500 From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@attbi.com> Subject: [scribes]: Ireland Trip Greetings fellow Scribes! I'm recently back from a trip to Ireland (it was my dream vacation trip!). On one of our trips into Dublin, we visited Trinity College. And we saw the Book of Kells. First hand. Drooling over the case. Spent nearly an hour looking at it, the Book of Durrow and a couple other manuscripts. There were hardly any other visitors in the room, so we got lots of time to study/be awestruck/drool! Of course, I forgot my scribal notebook and couldn't write down any of the details I wanted to remember. :-( But it was still one of the highlights of my trip. :-) To be able to see the actual manuscripts, see the finest of details (we were in awe of how tiny the lines were, how perfect the spirals were) and have all the time in the world to do it was wonderful. *sigh* Can't wait to go back again. Tzitzakion BBM, East West Hartford, CT =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Cat images? As a matter of fact, they're all taken from recognizable illuminations. This is a way cool book! Graidhne BMDL On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Martha Palotay wrote: > --- "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" wrote: > > http://www.bjburycats.com/catangels.html > > > > http://www.literary-cat.cwc.net/Medieval_Cats.htm > > > > The second one is a hoot, IMO. *grin* > > > > Smiles, > > Despina > > I agree. :) I got the whole book as a gift from my lovely sister. The artwork > is just exquisite--it looks for all the world as if these were really medieval > illuminations. > > Márti > Darach, Caid > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:22:56 -0800 From: Maria faul Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ireland Trip Tzitzakion, Did you pick up the Book of Kells on CD??? A friend of mine got me a copy on Cd and it has stuff in it that the book doesn't have. I have both book and CD. Glad you had a great time! One of these days when my husband and I go back to visit his family, I will have to make him take me to Trinity College and go look at the book itself. Shucks, maybe I'll do it when his sister is there and kill two birds with one stone. ; ) Anyways, Have a wonderful day you luck person!! Maria Laura Peskett wrote: > > Greetings fellow Scribes! > > I'm recently back from a trip to Ireland (it was my dream vacation trip!). > On one of our trips into Dublin, we visited Trinity College. And we saw the > Book of Kells. First hand. Drooling over the case. Spent nearly an hour > looking at it, the Book of Durrow and a couple other manuscripts. There > were hardly any other visitors in the room, so we got lots of time to > study/be awestruck/drool! > > Of course, I forgot my scribal notebook and couldn't write down any of the > details I wanted to remember. :-( But it was still one of the highlights > of my trip. :-) To be able to see the actual manuscripts, see the finest > of details (we were in awe of how tiny the lines were, how perfect the > spirals were) and have all the time in the world to do it was wonderful. > > *sigh* Can't wait to go back again. > > Tzitzakion > BBM, East > West Hartford, CT > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tamberlin Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ireland Trip I too hae the book of kells on cd. (christmas present) it's worth having around. Tamberlin Lee - --- Maria faul wrote: > Tzitzakion, > Did you pick up the Book of Kells on CD??? A friend > of mine got me a > copy on Cd and it has stuff in it that the book > doesn't have. I have > both book and CD. Glad you had a great time! One > of these days when my > husband and I go back to visit his family, I will > have to make him take > me to Trinity College and go look at the book > itself. Shucks, maybe > I'll do it when his sister is there and kill two > birds with one stone. > ; ) > > Anyways, Have a wonderful day you luck person!! > Maria > > Laura Peskett wrote: > > > > Greetings fellow Scribes! > > > > I'm recently back from a trip to Ireland (it was > my dream vacation trip!). > > On one of our trips into Dublin, we visited > Trinity College. And we saw the > > Book of Kells. First hand. Drooling over the > case. Spent nearly an hour > > looking at it, the Book of Durrow and a couple > other manuscripts. There > > were hardly any other visitors in the room, so we > got lots of time to > > study/be awestruck/drool! > > > > Of course, I forgot my scribal notebook and > couldn't write down any of the > > details I wanted to remember. :-( But it was > still one of the highlights > > of my trip. :-) To be able to see the actual > manuscripts, see the finest > > of details (we were in awe of how tiny the lines > were, how perfect the > > spirals were) and have all the time in the world > to do it was wonderful. > > > > *sigh* Can't wait to go back again. > > > > Tzitzakion > > BBM, East > > West Hartford, CT > > > > > =================================================================== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > > with a blank Subject: line and > > unsubscribe scribes > > in the body of the message. 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