From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #70 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, October 15 2002 Volume 08 : Number 070 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Walnut Ink Re: [scribes]: Walnut Ink Re: [scribes]: Walnut Ink [scribes]: scroll competition just 3 weeks away [scribes]: Books to look in for the competition [scribes]: stretching parchment Re: [scribes]: stretching parchment Re: [scribes]: stretching parchment RE: [scribes]: stretching parchment [scribes]: looking for...... [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin Re: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin Re: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:11:27 -0700 From: "chapman" Subject: [scribes]: Walnut Ink This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27290.20EA0560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also deal with blackpowder groups, who use this to dye their leather. = As a waening, though, I've heard it gan go bad, so you'll want to keep it in = your fridge. Hrafn Shieldbiter "History is nothing but a procession of false absolutes, a series of = temples raised to pretexts, a degradation of the mind before the = improbable." E. M. Cioran - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27290.20EA0560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also deal with blackpowder groups, = who use this=20 to dye their leather. As a
waening, though, I've heard it gan go bad, = so=20 you'll want to keep it in your
fridge.

Hrafn Shieldbiter
 
“History is nothing but a = procession of false=20 absolutes, a series of temples raised to pretexts, a degradation of the = mind=20 before the improbable.”   E. M. Cioran
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C27290.20EA0560-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:19:01 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Walnut Ink At 08:11 AM 10/13/2002 -0700, chapman wrote: >I also deal with blackpowder groups, who use this to dye their leather. As a >waening, though, I've heard it gan go bad, so you'll want to keep it in your >fridge. > >Hrafn Shieldbiter It's a good warning, and I know that at least one person on this list has had their walnut ink mold; however, I've never had a batch go bad or mold. I think this is in part, due to the conditions in which it is kept. I think it is also in part, due to how clean the container in which it is kept was when the ink was put into it initially. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:51:53 EDT From: BessdeNevell@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Walnut Ink - --part1_126.18582155.2adc6c49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/2002 10:23:08 AM Central Daylight Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes: > walnut ink mold My biggest problem has always been with the mold growing on the nuts *before* I cook them. In 2000 I became quite ill from it. Hubby and I did get out to the walnut grove this past weekend, but we were only able to gather up about a dozen nuts and they hadn't gone black yet. The trees that we usually had gathered from hadn't fruited this year. I started cooking them in a rusty cast iron pot just yesterday afternoon and the whole mess went black really quickly. I was in the process of reducing the liquid this morning when my youngest daughter Katie cut her foot. 4 hours, 1 stitch and much blood and trauma later, I haven't finished my ink. Go figure. I'm going to try and wrap the walnut batch up tonight so that I can get the oak galls going. We found one Burr Oak yesterday that yielded more galls than we got from 4 hours of hunting last season. Once again the galls we found were all marble sized. I looked and looked hoping to find ones as big as golf balls but that just don't grow that way in this area. Cheers! ~Bess Madame Elizabeth de Nevell Maison de Nevell - http://vantassle.freetcp.com - --part1_126.18582155.2adc6c49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/2002 10:23:08 AM Central Daylight Time, aheilvei@uiuc.edu writes:

walnut ink mold


My biggest problem has always been with the mold growing on the nuts *before* I cook them.   In 2000 I became quite ill from it.

Hubby and I did get out to the walnut grove this past weekend, but we were only able to gather up about a dozen nuts and they hadn't gone black yet.  The trees that we usually had gathered from hadn't fruited this year.  I started cooking them in a rusty cast iron pot just yesterday afternoon and the whole mess went black really quickly.  I was in the process of reducing the liquid this morning when my youngest daughter  Katie cut her foot.  4 hours, 1 stitch and much blood and trauma later, I haven't finished my ink. 

Go figure. 

I'm going to try and wrap the walnut batch up tonight so that I can get the oak galls going.   We found one Burr Oak yesterday that yielded more galls than we got from 4 hours of hunting last season.  Once again the galls we found were all marble sized.  I looked and looked hoping to find ones as big as golf balls but that just don't grow that way in this area.

Cheers!

~Bess


Madame Elizabeth de Nevell
Maison de Nevell - http://vantassle.freetcp.com - --part1_126.18582155.2adc6c49_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:30:08 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: scroll competition just 3 weeks away - --part1_114.190dde72.2adc8350_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that you only have 3 more weekends until the scroll competition at Crown Tourney (Atlantia). I hope to see a lot of entries in each category. Details are below. Please note that I added the option of doing a scroll blank, so if you have not gotten a backlog assignment, you can still do a blank for the competition. If you need to know what a blank is, then send me an email and I can help you. You can also send your scroll with someone if you cannot make it to the event. See you at Crown Tourney! >>> Greetings fellow scribes from the Scrivener Royal Atlantia; I am sponsoring a scroll competition at Fall Crown Tournament (November 1-3 in Bright Hills) as part of the Tempore Atlantia. The time period for this event is: Fall Crown 2002 - items from 1492-1600 The theme for the competition is equestrian activities. Your scroll should have a horse or an item of tack (saddle, bridle, lance, horseman's mace, etc.) from the time period above somewhere in the illumination. You may also create an equestrian theme wording for the scroll, provided you have your text approved by the office of the Clerk of the Signet. Documentation of your design will get you extra points. The award should be from Atlantia's backlog, a current assignment you are working on, or from a Baronial award from a Barony in Atlantia. It can also be a scroll blank for an Atlantian award. There will be four categories with prizes for each: Novice (anyone who has being doing SCA scrolls for one year or less); Journeyman (anyone who has been doing scrolls for over one year, but has not gotten a Pearl or Laurel, or has not worked with period supplies or materials; Master (anyone who has a Pearl or Laurel in any of the scribal arts/ or who works with period supplies and materials); And Non-paper (scrolls must be done on something other than paper, such as vellum, leather, parchment, wood, ceramics, embroidery, etc., for this category). You can get an assignment off the backlog from the Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve D'Evereux at signet@atlantia.sca.org I posted a list of books to look for in your library to get ideas/documentation from the featured time period (1495 to 1600). If anyone already knows of some books in this time period, please post them for the general populace. If you need any assistance or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me at brndalston@aol.com or (757) 488-3597. Happy Scribing! Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift, Scrivener Royal) <<< - --part1_114.190dde72.2adc8350_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that you only have 3 more weekends until the scroll competition at Crown Tourney (Atlantia). I hope to see a lot of entries in each category. Details are below. Please note that I added the option of doing a scroll blank, so if you have not gotten a backlog assignment, you can still do a blank for the competition. If you need to know what a blank is, then send me an email and I can help you. You can also send your scroll with someone if you cannot make it to the event.

See you at Crown Tourney!

>>>
Greetings fellow scribes from the Scrivener Royal Atlantia;

I am sponsoring a scroll competition at Fall Crown Tournament (November 1-3 in Bright Hills) as part of the Tempore Atlantia. The time period for this event is:

Fall Crown 2002 - items from 1492-1600

The theme for the competition is equestrian activities. Your scroll should have a horse or an item of tack (saddle, bridle, lance, horseman's mace, etc.) from the time period above somewhere in the illumination. You may also create an equestrian theme wording for the scroll, provided you have your text approved by the office of the Clerk of the Signet.  Documentation of your design will get you extra points.

The award should be from Atlantia's backlog, a current assignment you are working on, or from a Baronial award from a Barony in Atlantia. It can also be a scroll blank for an Atlantian award.

There will be four categories with prizes for each:
Novice (anyone who has being doing SCA scrolls for one year or less);

Journeyman (anyone who has been doing scrolls for over one year, but has not gotten a Pearl or Laurel, or has not worked with period supplies or materials;

Master (anyone who has a Pearl or Laurel in any of the scribal arts/ or who works with period supplies and materials);

And Non-paper (scrolls must be done on something other than paper, such as vellum, leather, parchment, wood, ceramics, embroidery, etc., for this category).

You can get an assignment off the backlog from the Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve D'Evereux at signet@atlantia.sca.org

I posted a list of books to look for in your library to get ideas/documentation from the featured time period (1495 to 1600). If anyone already knows of some books in this time period, please post them for the general populace.

If you need any assistance or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me at brndalston@aol.com or (757) 488-3597.

Happy Scribing!
Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift, Scrivener Royal)
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- --part1_114.190dde72.2adc8350_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:55:41 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Books to look in for the competition - --part1_134.1603aa9f.2adc894d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is a short list of some books to look for illumination in the 1492-1600 time frame for theTempore Atlantia scroll competition at Crown Tourney in November. If you have any you would like to add, please post them to the list. Bibliography for 1492 to 1600 Books on Illumination "The Isabella Breviary" The British Library, ISBN 0-7123-0269-7 (c.1497 Flemish Trompe de-liole "Squashed Bug Illumination") "Suleymannamme" by Esin Atil, National Gallery of Art, Washington DC,Harry N. Abrams, Inc. Publishers, NY, ISBN 0-89468-088-9 (paper), 0-8109-1505-7(cloth) (c. 1495-1516, Islamic) "Painted Prayers" by Roger S. Wieck, George Braziller, Inc., New York (c. 1300-1600 General book of pages from Europe) "Italian Renaissance Illuminations" George Braziller, NY ISBN 0-8076-0863-7 (Covers many years of Italian illumination, some in this time period, but most earlier) "Flemish Illuminated Manuscripts" Ludion Press ISBN 0-809-6318-3 (c. 1475 to 1550 Flemish) "Pirdsin Medieval Manuscripts" by Pruns dun Vaff, 1981 Schocken Books, WY ISBN 0-8052-3818-2 "European Illuminated Manuscripts" Thames and Hudson London Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift) Scrivener Royal Atlantia <> - --part1_134.1603aa9f.2adc894d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Below is a short list of some books to look for illumination in the 1492-1600 time frame for theTempore Atlantia scroll competition at Crown Tourney in November. If you have any you would like to add, please post them to the list.


Bibliography for 1492 to 1600 Books on Illumination

"The Isabella Breviary" The British Library, ISBN 0-7123-0269-7
(c.1497 Flemish Trompe de-liole "Squashed Bug Illumination")

"Suleymannamme" by Esin Atil, National Gallery of Art, Washington DC,Harry N. Abrams, Inc. Publishers, NY, ISBN 0-89468-088-9 (paper), 0-8109-1505-7(cloth)
(c. 1495-1516, Islamic)

"Painted Prayers" by Roger S. Wieck, George Braziller, Inc., New York
(c. 1300-1600 General book of pages from Europe)

"Italian Renaissance Illuminations" George Braziller, NY ISBN 0-8076-0863-7
(Covers many years of Italian illumination, some in this time period, but most earlier)

"Flemish Illuminated Manuscripts" Ludion Press ISBN 0-809-6318-3
(c. 1475 to 1550 Flemish)

"Pirdsin Medieval Manuscripts" by Pruns dun Vaff, 1981 Schocken Books, WY ISBN 0-8052-3818-2

"European Illuminated Manuscripts" Thames and Hudson London

Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift) Scrivener Royal Atlantia
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 - --part1_134.1603aa9f.2adc894d_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:23:10 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: stretching parchment - --part1_9.5f2bc.2adc8fbe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, earlier today I stretched a piece of goat skin parchement on my water color paper board and it seems to be working just like the water color paper. I soaked the parchment for about five minutes in cool water. I picked it up, let it drain the excess water off and then placed it on the board (1/2 thick foam board). I then stapled the parchment to the board starting in the center of each side and working towards the corners, placing a staple about every other inch. Then I let it dry. Now it is dry, and none of the staples pulled out, and it is stretched tight as a drum. If it works like the water color paper, then if I get it wet while painting it, it should dry back tight again. Then when I get it done I can matte it and frame it, just like paper. Theoretically anyway. I will let you know if it works or not. Brandy - --part1_9.5f2bc.2adc8fbe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, earlier today I stretched a piece of goat skin parchement on my water color paper board and it seems to be working just like the water color paper.

I soaked the parchment for about five minutes in cool water. I picked it up, let it drain the excess water off and then placed it on the board (1/2 thick foam board). I then stapled the parchment to the board starting in the center of each side and working towards the corners, placing a staple about every other inch. Then I let it dry.

Now it is dry, and none of the staples pulled out, and it is stretched tight as a drum.

If it works like the water color paper, then if I get it wet while painting it, it should dry back tight again. Then when I get it done I can matte it and frame it, just like paper. Theoretically anyway. I will let you know if it works or not.

Brandy - --part1_9.5f2bc.2adc8fbe_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:46:39 -0400 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: stretching parchment Brandy, One of the key things that makes parchment "parchment" instead of thin rawhide is the fact that it is stretched. What you bought came pre-stretched. In other words, you could have just tacked it down as it was. When you soak it the material relaxes and it is no longer parchment. If you tack it down tight it will shrink again as it dries, and that makes it parchment again. It might not have had enough time to really "soak," only being in the water for five minutes. It seems that ought to be enough time, but I'll tell you, parchment has a great deal of strength to pull on tacks, staples, etc. when it shrinks (usually at LEAST as strong as heavy weight paper). It usually tears unless you use a LOT. That's why when it is made they wrap the edges around small balls and trap them in the sack this forms by placing a loop around the skin & ball. This slip knot holds the ball in the fold of skin and makes a hold that won't tear. RanthulfR BRNDALSTON@aol.com wrote: > > Well, earlier today I stretched a piece of goat skin parchement on my > water color paper board and it seems to be working just like the water > color paper. > > I soaked the parchment for about five minutes in cool water. I picked > it up, let it drain the excess water off and then placed it on the > board (1/2 thick foam board). I then stapled the parchment to the > board starting in the center of each side and working towards the > corners, placing a staple about every other inch. Then I let it dry. > > Now it is dry, and none of the staples pulled out, and it is stretched > tight as a drum. > > If it works like the water color paper, then if I get it wet while > painting it, it should dry back tight again. Then when I get it done I > can matte it and frame it, just like paper. Theoretically anyway. I > will let you know if it works or not. > > Brandy - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts: Original Art & Prints for sale! Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:58:26 +0800 From: Jean-Paul Blaquiere Subject: Re: [scribes]: stretching parchment > On Oct 14, Randy Asplund illuminated : > One of the key things that makes parchment "parchment" instead of thin > rawhide is the fact that it is stretched. What you bought came > pre-stretched. In other words, you could have just tacked it down as it > was. When you soak it the material relaxes and it is no longer > parchment. If you tack it down tight it will shrink again as it dries, > and that makes it parchment again. > speaking of parchments, has anyone had any experience *making* parchment? any pointers to resources etc? Just something I would like to have a go at sometime in the future. ./jehan - -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || verum ipsum factum Questions are dangerous, for they have answers =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:28:05 -0400 From: "Christopher Bogs" Subject: RE: [scribes]: stretching parchment >speaking of parchments, has anyone had any experience *making* parchment? >any pointers to resources etc? >Just something I would like to have a go at sometime in the future. There was a Vellum Making class held at Pennsic this year -- it wasn't on the main schedule, as the presenter didn't decide to do it until the last minute. Still, there were about 15 people who signed up (with a class size of 8 or so) and I think nine of us showed up, so we all got to participate. It was not as difficult as I'd imagined; in fact it's quite easy, though it is very labor-intensive. We started with a goat-hide which had been prepped with lime and dehaired (I'll try to find the email link for the teacher, who is willing to email handouts on the whole process, including the preparation) and stretched it on a frame built out of standard 2-inch by 4-inch lumber (what you'd frame a house with, don't know the Oz equivalent); it was four boards attached in a square by means of mortise-and-tenon joints, and each board had a series of holes drilled into it at about 6-inch intervals (~15 cm). We did this as Master RanthulfR described -- we used pebbles from a river to make little "pockets" in the edges of the skin, and looped lengths of twine around the pockets in a "lark's head" knot. This is slippery but with nine hands it went quickly. The twine was then looped through the holes in the frame and the whole skin was stretched as tightly as possible. We then went to work scraping on it with a variety of knives. There's a type of curved-blade knife that works best but they are very hard to come by; you'd probably have to find a smith to make a custom one for you -- fortunately not too difficult in most areas of the SCA. We found that a large butcher's-type knife with a slightly curved blade worked the best. The important part is not to nick the skin while you're scraping it, as this will result in a hole in your parchment. You scrape both sides of the skin; the object is to remove all the debris that is attached to the skin. There is a lot of membranous and fatty material there, and it takes a lot of scraping to get it all off. It will usually begin to dry while you're doing this; it's important to keep it moist while you're scraping. Eventually both sides will be clean and you can let it dry. This usually takes overnight. The skin will shrink A LOT. Quite a few of the laces you used to tie it to the frame will break; it's far better that they break than for the frame to do so, or for the skin to rip! Before removing it from the frame, you can prep the surface using pumice, chalk, etc. It's much better to do this before it's off the frame, we were told -- our teacher learned this the hard way! Once it's prepped, you can take it off the frame and cut the pebbles off, and cut the vellum to size. As I said, I'll see if I can't track down a copy of the handouts and I'll offer to email them out once I have them. I can't wait to try it on my own, even if the neighbors look at me strangely.. - ------------------------------------------ Ld. Christopher Jameson / Christopher Bogs Bhakail, East Kingdom / Philadelphia, PA http://pobox.upenn.edu/~cbogs/scriptorium - ------------------------------------------ Don't tell my parents I'm in the SCA... they think I'm running guns & drugs for a biker gang. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:13:26 -0500 From: "Melaena" Subject: [scribes]: looking for...... I'm wondering about the veracity of the Lord's Prayer as might be found in a Book of Hours. I'm assuming that's logical. Does anyone know? Also, I'm looking for it in a Latin version somewhere. Anyone have a great webpage they wish to share? I'm totally NOT good at finding things online. And, if it existed in a Book of Hours, would it more likely be Latin or the vernacular? Or equally likely in both? Margareta vanden Velde Montengarde, Avacal Gules, three sparks inverted and a bordure engrailed Or. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:46:43 -0700 From: fwydiva@telusplanet.net Subject: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin Greetings, Margareta et al... I can't help you with whether the Lord's Prayer was in a BoH, but here's the Latin: Pater noster qui es in coelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum, adveniat regnum, fiat voluntas tua in terris sicut in coelis, panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, ac remitte nobis debita nostra, sicut nos remittimus debitoribus nostris, et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo, quia tuum est regnum, potentia et gloria in secula. Amen In Service, Bebhinn =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:54:27 -0500 From: gvantass@interaccess.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin Slightly off-topic for "scribal" stuff... Being that I am not Catholic (or any denomination Christian, for that matter), I'm not really up on prayers. Can anyone give me a hint as to the "documentation" for the Lort's Prayer? Meaning, first recorded location and time period that it was "used" by the Church. Pax, Br. Conchobar - ----- Original Message ----- From: fwydiva@telusplanet.net Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:46 am Subject: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin > Greetings, Margareta et al... > > I can't help you with whether the Lord's Prayer was in a BoH, but > here's the > Latin: > > Pater noster qui es in coelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum, adveniat > regnum,fiat voluntas tua in terris sicut in coelis, panem nostrum > quotidianum da > nobis hodie, ac remitte nobis debita nostra, sicut nos remittimus > debitoribus nostris, et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera > nos a > malo, quia tuum est regnum, potentia et gloria in secula. Amen > > In Service, > Bebhinn > > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: "Lord's Prayer" in Latin On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 fwydiva@telusplanet.net wrote: > Greetings, Margareta et al... > > I can't help you with whether the Lord's Prayer was in a BoH, > but here's the Latin: > > Pater noster qui es in coelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum, > adveniat regnum, fiat voluntas tua in terris sicut in coelis, > panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, ac remitte nobis > debita nostra, sicut nos remittimus debitoribus nostris, et > ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo, quia > tuum est regnum, potentia et gloria in secula. Amen > > In Service, > Bebhinn Bebhinn, what's your source for this Latin version? It's got the separate closing included, which is unusual. Normally it just ends with "set libera nos a malo." =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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