From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #62 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, September 30 2002 Volume 08 : Number 062 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. RE: [scribes]: Black Hours, Revisited [scribes]: Quick intro RE: [scribes]: Quick intro [scribes]: Museum Exhibition RE: [scribes]: Quick intro and request ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:20:59 -0700 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Black Hours, Revisited I'm not completely sure of what I am about to say... But I think it is correct. The Bar and Ivy style predates the fashion for "black hours" by about 150 years. I am a big fan of "black hours" and have never seen one done in this style. They are almost always done in Acanthus or Trompe l'oeil as you have noticed. So I guess what I am saying is: Bar-and-Ivy = Gothic, "Black Hours" = Renaissance. But like I say, your actual mileage may vary. :-) Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: KMcWhyte@aol.com [mailto:KMcWhyte@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:10 AM To: scribes@castle.org Cc: ekscribes@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scribes]: Black Hours, Revisited I know we've discussed the subject before, but... Out of curiosity - are there any examples out there of "bar and ivy" (esp. ivy) done in the Black Hours style? I've seen acanthus leaf and miniatures galore in one collection, and what looked Flemish in the other. Any info would be appreciated... Thank you. - --Kayleigh McWhyte =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:41:08 +1000 From: Melanie.Buckley@affa.gov.au Subject: [scribes]: Quick intro This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_000_01C268DA.D9C327C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C268DA.D9C327C0" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C268DA.D9C327C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi there! My name is Amelot d'Akeney (Melanie Buckley). I live in Politarchopolis, Lochac (Canberra, Australia) and have been active in the SCA for about 6 years. I've just joined the list as I've decided I want to start learning to be a scribe (is this a smart move??). I'm particularly interested in illumination but would like to try my hand at calligraphy as well. Looking forward to reading all of your words of wisdom! YIS Amelot Melanie Buckley International Fisheries Fisheries & Aquaculture GPO Box 858 CANBERRA ACT 2601 Telephone: +612 6272 4981 Fax: +612 6272 4875 melanie.buckley@affa.gov.au - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C268DA.D9C327C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi there!

My name is Amelot d'Akeney (Melanie Buckley). I live in Politarchopolis, Lochac (Canberra, Australia) and have been active in the SCA for about 6 years. I've just joined the list as I've decided I want to start learning to be a scribe (is this a smart move??). I'm particularly interested in illumination but would like to try my hand at calligraphy as well. Looking forward to reading all of your words of wisdom!

YIS

Amelot

Melanie Buckley
International Fisheries
Fisheries & Aquaculture
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601
Telephone: +612 6272 4981
Fax: +612 6272 4875
melanie.buckley@affa.gov.au

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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:07:50 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quick intro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C268B4.AEE461C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the list, Amelot.=20 =20 For general learning of any part of C&I, this list is one of the best resources. You need only ask a question and you will often get several answers. Some might be sent to you privately, but most are sent back to the list. =20 Do you have a specific period of illumination you particularly like a lot?? That would be your best place to get started. Also, as far as on-line references, know that there are many. One of my favorites is in your own country, but I have recently gotten a new computer and = haven=92t transferred my list of favorites, so cannot pass it on to you. It is an Antiphonal at your National Library (I think, or is it Museum??). Try a search for it. It is totally awesome late period Italian style. Lots of lovely gold leafing. =20 Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn, OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com =20 {Some mistakes are too much fun to make only once.} =20 - -----Original Message----- Hi there! =20 My name is Amelot d'Akeney (Melanie Buckley). I live in Politarchopolis, Lochac (Canberra, Australia) and have been active in the SCA for about 6 years. I've just joined the list as I've decided I want to start learning to be a scribe (is this a smart move??). I'm particularly interested in illumination but would like to try my hand at calligraphy as well. Looking forward to reading all of your words of wisdom! =20 YIS =20 Amelot Melanie Buckley=20 International Fisheries Fisheries & Aquaculture=20 GPO Box 858=20 CANBERRA ACT 2601=20 Telephone: +612 6272 4981=20 Fax: +612 6272 4875=20 melanie.buckley@affa.gov.au=20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C268B4.AEE461C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Welcome to the list, Amelot. =

For general learning of any part of C&I, =A0this = list is one of the best resources.=A0 You need = only ask a question and you will often get several answers. =A0Some might be sent to you = privately, but most are sent back to the list.

Do you have a specific period of illumination you particularly like a lot??=A0 = That would be your best place to get started.=A0 = Also, as far as on-line references, know that there are many.=A0 One of my favorites is in your own = country, but I have recently gotten a new computer and haven’t transferred = my list of favorites, so cannot pass it on to you.=A0 It is an Antiphonal at your National Library (I think, or is it Museum??). =A0Try a search for = it.=A0 It is totally awesome late period = Italian style. =A0Lots of lovely gold leafing.

Meisterin Katarina Helene von = Sch=F6nborn, OL

Shire of Narrental = (Peru, = Indiana)

Middle = Kingdom

http://meisterin.ka= tarina.home.insightbb.com=

{Some mistakes are too much fun to = make only once.}

-----Origi= nal Message-----

Hi = there!

My name is Amelot d'Akeney = (Melanie Buckley). I live in Politarchopolis, Lochac = (Canberra, = Australia= ) and have been active in the = SCA for about 6 years. I've just joined the list as I've decided = I want to start learning to be a scribe (is this a smart move??). I'm = particularly interested in illumination but would like to try my hand at calligraphy = as well. Looking forward to reading all of your words of = wisdom!

YIS

Amelot

Melanie Buckley
International Fisheries
Fisheries & Aquaculture
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601
Telephone: +612 6272 4981
Fax: +612 6272 4875
melanie.buckley@affa.gov.au

- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C268B4.AEE461C0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:31:21 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Museum Exhibition - --part1_187.f13e992.2aca54e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This exhibition information was sent to me this afternoon. Though most people on this list may not be able to get there I thought I would bring it up in case someone might be close enough to see the show. The exhibition, "Painted Prints: The Revelation of Color in Northern Renaissance and Baroque Engravings, Etchings, and Woodcuts," will be at the Baltimore Museum of Art from October 6, 2002, to January 5, 2003. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of. There never was a good war or a bad peace. Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790 - --part1_187.f13e992.2aca54e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This exhibition information was sent to me this afternoon. Though most people on this list may not be able to get there I thought I would bring it up in case someone might be close enough to see the show.

The exhibition, "Painted Prints: The Revelation of Color in Northern Renaissance and Baroque Engravings, Etchings, and Woodcuts," will be at the Baltimore Museum of Art from October 6, 2002, to January 5, 2003.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

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Thanks for the welcome. I'm not really certain which specific period of illumination I like yet. I'll be spending the next little while surfing the net for photos of illuminations, so if anyone has some links they'd recommend, I'd appreciate them!

PS: Had a look at the Antiphonal at the State Library of South Australia (http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/treasures/antiphonal/) - pretty special!

-----Original Message-----
From: Helen Schultz [mailto:helen.schultz@insightbb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2002 10:08 AM
To: scribes@castle.org
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quick intro

Welcome to the list, Amelot.

For general learning of any part of C&I, this list is one of the best resources. You need only ask a question and you will often get several answers. Some might be sent to you privately, but most are sent back to the list.

Do you have a specific period of illumination you particularly like a lot?? That would be your best place to get started. Also, as far as on-line references, know that there are many. One of my favorites is in your own country, but I have recently gotten a new computer and haven’t transferred my list of favorites, so cannot pass it on to you. It is an Antiphonal at your National Library (I think, or is it Museum??). Try a search for it. It is totally awesome late period Italian style. Lots of lovely gold leafing.

Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn, OL

Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)

Middle Kingdom

http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com

{Some mistakes are too much fun to make only once.}

-----Original Message-----

Hi there!

My name is Amelot d'Akeney (Melanie Buckley). I live in Politarchopolis, Lochac (Canberra, Australia) and have been active in the SCA for about 6 years. I've just joined the list as I've decided I want to start learning to be a scribe (is this a smart move??). I'm particularly interested in illumination but would like to try my hand at calligraphy as well. Looking forward to reading all of your words of wisdom!

YIS

Amelot

Melanie Buckley
International Fisheries
Fisheries & Aquaculture
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601
Telephone: +612 6272 4981
Fax: +612 6272 4875
melanie.buckley@affa.gov.au

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