From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #61 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, September 30 2002 Volume 08 : Number 061 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... [scribes]: re: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... Re: [scribes]: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... [scribes]: Black Hours, Revisited ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:18:26 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... - --part1_174.f708213.2ac6f812_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/2002 3:31:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes: > 4. Pergamenata is the tool of the anti-christ (or perhaps the anti-Elvis), > because it WILL NOT LAY FLAT. At all. It is, however, easy to make > corrections on and to trace through, which is probably part of its evil > plan for world domination. > I was wondering if you can soak pergamenata and/or vellum/ parchement for a few minutes to get it wet and then staple it around the edges to a watercolor board the same way you do watercolor paper (arches cold press in particular). We have done this in my art class for ink washes with the arches cold press watercolor paper. When the paper dries, after it has been stapled down, it dries flat. When you work on it, and get it wet, it wrinkles a little bit, but when it dries again it is flat. When you remove it from the board (a piece of half inch thick foam poster board) it stays flat (as long as it is completely dry when you remove it). Do you think this would work on pergamenata or on vellum? would it ruin it? I have some goat skin parchement from Master John that I was thinking about testing a little piece of it on this techniques to see what it does. Do you think it is even necessary to go to this much trouble? (Then there is the problem about the holes around the edge left by the staples...) Brandy - --part1_174.f708213.2ac6f812_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/2002 3:31:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes:


4. Pergamenata is the tool of the anti-christ (or perhaps the anti-Elvis),
because it WILL NOT LAY FLAT. At all. It is, however, easy to make
corrections on and to trace through, which is probably part of its evil
plan for world domination.


I was wondering if you can soak pergamenata and/or vellum/ parchement for a few minutes to get it wet and then staple it around the edges to a watercolor board the same way you do watercolor paper (arches cold press in particular).

We have done this in my art class for ink washes with the arches cold press watercolor paper. When the paper dries, after it has been stapled down, it dries flat. When you work on it, and get it wet, it wrinkles a little bit, but when it dries again it is flat. When you remove it from the board (a piece of half inch thick foam poster board) it stays flat (as long as it is completely dry when you remove it).

Do you think this would work on pergamenata or on vellum? would it ruin it? I have some goat skin parchement from Master John that I was thinking about testing a little piece of it on this techniques to see what it does. Do you think it is even necessary to go to this much trouble? (Then there is the problem about the holes around the edge left by the staples...)

Brandy - --part1_174.f708213.2ac6f812_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:43:42 -0400 From: "Peter B. Steiner" Subject: [scribes]: re: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... > Do you think this would work on pergamenata or on vellum? would it ruin it? > I have some goat skin parchement from Master John that I was thinking about > testing a little piece of it on this techniques to see what it does. Do you > think it is even necessary to go to this much trouble? (Then there is the > problem about the holes around the edge left by the staples...) > > Brandy Brandy, I think this is worth a try! Don't use staples, however... Go to "Home Depot" (or most any other hardware store) and purchase a few rubber-tipped spring clamps. They should be strong enough to hold the page in place without puncturing or otherwise marring it, as staples would do. Pax, Peter =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:16:11 -0700 From: Maria faul Subject: Re: [scribes]: making vellum or pergamenata lay flat... In the book written by H.Child which is a colabrative work, it is mentioned that if working with vellum you will only want to damped the vellum, and the vellum will begin to roll itself. The process mentioned in the book is using a 2 ply boards (1 for the front and one for the back) the one in the front is used until the vellum is attached to the back ply board. You would place a piece of blotting paper on one of the boards, than place the vellum face down onto the botting paper, then slightly dampen the back of the vellum and then using a museum board and rigid support place on top of the vellum, then take the vellum and brace it to the board. It is suggested to use PVA (glue) starting from the middle and working to the corners. This is just a generalized version of information that I have gleaned from the book. Hope this helps get you going in the right direction. Let me know how it goes and if you found an easier way to do it. Good luck!! Maria del Norte Mists, West =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:10:07 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Black Hours, Revisited I know we've discussed the subject before, but... Out of curiosity - are there any examples out there of "bar and ivy" (esp. ivy) done in the Black Hours style? I've seen acanthus leaf and miniatures galore in one collection, and what looked Flemish in the other. Any info would be appreciated... Thank you. - --Kayleigh McWhyte =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #61 ****************************