From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #60 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 08 : Number 060 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Newbie greetings Re: [scribes]: Newbie greetings [scribes]: Middle Eastern callig help needed Re: [scribes]: Middle Eastern callig help needed Re: [scribes]:Paging Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:29:48 -0400 From: Elen Alswyth Subject: [scribes]: Newbie greetings Greetings! I am new to the list, and the list instructions request that we introduce ourselves ... In the Society I am Elen Alswyth of Eriskay. I owe allegiance to the Barony of Stonemarche in the Kingdom of the East. Scribally, my interests have been primarily pre-13th century Insular, but I have recently found myself ranging into the 14th century and further onto the Continent. I have a quotidian interest in varnishmaking, and much of my research is equally applicable to period pigments. Mundanely, I am Claire Curtis, of South Berwick Maine. (And yes, southern Maine is Malagentia not Stonemarche -- but I live in Giggleswick. Further details available upon request.) Some of you may have my mundane email. It still works; I just established this address specifically for SCA use. - --Elen Alswyth (mka Claire) PS - I will be going to Mittenwald Germany next week -- any must sees? There will probably also be a side trip to Cremona Italy. The purpose of the trip is to do some editing of a book on violinmaking. There is a good chance I will be trying to track down some manuscript depictions of violin-like instruments for the German Master who is writing the book. In many cases, he has a particular illustration in mind, but didn't realize the need for proper manuscript citation. If anyone has a bibliography of instrument depictions, or knows of a particularly clear example, it would be very helpful.... =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:49:56 -0400 From: Sally Burnell Subject: Re: [scribes]: Newbie greetings Hi, Elen! Welcome to the list! Glad to have you aboard! Stonemarche, eh? Know Baron Master Harold? He and I go wa-a-a-a-a-ay back a long way, so please tell him that Saradwen said, "Howdy!" next time you see him! We had a few lovely visits at Pennsic and it was so very good to see him again. We met back in ancient of days in the musical circuit, back when he was an itinerant folk singer/songwriter known fondly as "Poor Howard". Neither of us knew that the other was in the SCA until he showed up to one of our local SCA meetings sporting a Laurel medallion. We both looked at one another, both in garb, and said almost simultaneously, "Hey! I didn't know you were in the SCA!" And still cooler to find out that his Laurel was in scribing! Ah, he does the best Batarde hand I have ever seen! How I want to get that hand mastered. It's a toughy to be sure and I probably don't work at it near hard enough, but it's one I'd really like to add to my repertoire of hands. If only he lived closer.......(sigh) Mittenwald......well, now, I've been to their web site. My youngest sister doesn't live far from there and keeps promising me that next time I visit (I've been over there once) that she will take me there, just for the scenery alone. Don't know of anything of scribal interest there, but if you get anywhere near Munich, be sure to visit the Stadtsbibliothek. (I think that's what it's called, right, M. Katarina?) They are supposed to have quite a collection of Manuscripts there, from what I have seen in books. Had I known, I'd've gone there myself, and I was in Munich several times while I was over in Germany and Austria. Next time, I tell myself. Cremona? Well, my eldest sister spent some time there some years ago. She was dating a violin maker who planned to live and study there. Don't know specifically where that is geographically, except that it's somewhere along the Adriatic coastline. Italy is full of great museums, from what both my sisters and my brother and my mom tell me. They've all been there many, many times. I've only made one short sojourn overseas so far compared to the rest of my family who travels there on a regular basis (well, my youngest sister lives there now and has for a dozen or so years now). But I am sure that Cremona or at least the vicinity is rich in history just too look at, if nothing else. Wish I knew more to tell you to do over there. Have a great trip, and you're leaving behind at least one scribe who is green with envy!!! ;-) Tell us all about it when you get back, won't you? We can at least imagine what you've seen! Again, welcome to the list, and thanks for joining us here! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:12:47 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Middle Eastern callig help needed - --part1_68.2644a8ef.2ac283af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I have been given a 5 day lead on a Middle Eastern scroll. I was given the text with the assignment, but it is long. As this is an AoA and I only have until Saturday to finish the piece I would rather not have to make it larger then 11x14. I read somewhere that the use of vowels in Arabic is somewhat limited. How can I effectively reduce the number of vowels in a scroll that needs to read as English? I do not have time to have it translated, and it was requested to be in pseudo Arabic. For guidance I am referring to Mahee's Arabic alphabet, as well as pages of Arabic texts. Did/do they have ampersands, or any other "shorthand" short cuts? Thank you in advance. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of. There never was a good war or a bad peace. Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790 - --part1_68.2644a8ef.2ac283af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

I have been given a 5 day lead on a Middle Eastern scroll.  I was given the text with the assignment, but it is long.  As this is an AoA and I only have until Saturday to finish the piece I would rather not have to make it larger then 11x14.  

I read somewhere that the use of vowels in Arabic is somewhat limited.  How can I effectively reduce the number of vowels in a scroll that needs to read as English?  I do not have time to have it translated, and it was requested to be in pseudo Arabic.  For guidance I am referring to Mahee's Arabic alphabet, as well as pages of Arabic texts.

Did/do they have ampersands, or any other "shorthand" short cuts?

Thank you in advance.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

       They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
       Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of.
       There never was a good war or a bad peace.                        Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790 - --part1_68.2644a8ef.2ac283af_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: Re: [scribes]: Middle Eastern callig help needed - --0-433332845-1032963325=:96218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have good news and bad news...Arabic does have ligatures, shortcuts, abreviations and all sorts of stuff like that, but they only work if you are reading it in Arabic. That was the bad news. Arabic technically only has an "A" vowel -Alif. All other vowels sounds are produced by other letters with accent markings. With such little time I would recomend using either ther smallest nib you have, or a brush/round tip pen(glass pens work well) to simulate the cursive style. Write your last line at the bottom, and work your way up, making the line about 7 words long. Put a double box around the whole text and gold between the line. If a seal needs to be added, then off center the box on the page so the seal can go on the side where a normal chapter name would have been written inside a circle. Real AOA's using a reagular size sheet of rag paper. Text area was about 3 inches wide and 9 inches tall, all writen in gold. Nothing fancy and no fun designs. If anything fancy was done, then the recipients name might have been written in a different color. When you get to the top line, feel free to stretch out the letters to fill the line...they did. your servant, mahee Floriligeum@aol.com wrote: Greetings, I have been given a 5 day lead on a Middle Eastern scroll. I was given the text with the assignment, but it is long. As this is an AoA and I only have until Saturday to finish the piece I would rather not have to make it larger then 11x14. I read somewhere that the use of vowels in Arabic is somewhat limited. How can I effectively reduce the number of vowels in a scroll that needs to read as English? I do not have time to have it translated, and it was requested to be in pseudo Arabic. For guidance I am referring to Mahee's Arabic alphabet, as well as pages of Arabic texts. Did/do they have ampersands, or any other "shorthand" short cuts? Thank you in advance. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of. There never was a good war or a bad peace. Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790 - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! - --0-433332845-1032963325=:96218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have good news and bad news...Arabic does have ligatures, shortcuts, abreviations and all sorts of stuff like that, but they only work if you are reading it in Arabic. That was the bad news.

Arabic technically only has an "A" vowel -Alif. All other vowels sounds are produced by other letters with accent markings.

With such little time I would recomend using either ther smallest nib you have, or a brush/round tip pen(glass pens work well) to simulate the cursive style. Write your last line at the bottom, and work your way up, making the line about 7 words long. Put a double box around the whole text and gold between the line. If a seal needs to be added, then off center the box on the page so the seal can go on the side where a normal chapter name would have been written inside a circle.

Real AOA's using a reagular size sheet of rag paper. Text area was about 3 inches wide and 9 inches tall, all writen in gold. Nothing fancy and no fun designs. If anything fancy was done, then the recipients name might have been written in a different color.

When you get to the top line, feel free to stretch out the letters to fill the line...they did.

 

your servant,

mahee

 Floriligeum@aol.com wrote:

Greetings,

I have been given a 5 day lead on a Middle Eastern scroll.  I was given the text with the assignment, but it is long.  As this is an AoA and I only have until Saturday to finish the piece I would rather not have to make it larger then 11x14.  

I read somewhere that the use of vowels in Arabic is somewhat limited.  How can I effectively reduce the number of vowels in a scroll that needs to read as English?  I do not have time to have it translated, and it was requested to be in pseudo Arabic.  For guidance I am referring to Mahee's Arabic alphabet, as well as pages of Arabic texts.

Did/do they have ampersands, or any other "shorthand" short cuts?

Thank you in advance.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

       They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
       Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time, for that is the stuff life is made of.
       There never was a good war or a bad peace.                 &n! bsp;      Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790


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