From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #55 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, September 13 2002 Volume 08 : Number 055 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. RE: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: Fwd: Drachenwald Scriptorium 2002, reminder Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: Paint Buying Query [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone [scribes]: Gouache brands? Re: [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone [scribes]: Re: Iconofile Re: [scribes]:Delivery.. not content: 0,7429,,00 Re: [scribes]: Gouache brands? [scribes]: Maker's Marks Revisited [scribes]: EK Scribe List [scribes]: judging A&S - rubric for illumination Re: [scribes]: judging A&S - rubric for illumination [scribes]: Re: judging A&S - rubric for illumination ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:03:13 -0400 From: Jim Helfer Subject: RE: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 My content filtering software blocked it for violating it's "Dangerous file attachments" rule. I think it was a .url file attached. Jim Helfer - -----Original Message----- From: KMcWhyte@aol.com [mailto:KMcWhyte@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:35 AM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 I wasn't sure what the significance was of the random string of numbers, so I deleted the e-mail after seeing the attachment was not described (sorry). Generally I try to avoid posting files to the list - URLs are more acceptible by most people. Maybe you could post it online, or give us an announcement of what this file was? - --Kayleigh In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 7:19:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dorinda.E.Courtine-White@Cummins.com writes: > > > > Was this something we were supposed to look at or a virus? If it is > something we were supposed to look at, more description would have been > nice so we knew it was safe to open. I have *not* opened it and won't > until I hear back. Thanks! > > Dorinda > > > > > > > Marina > s.com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > owner-scribes@cas > tle.org > > > 09/11/02 07:17 AM > > > > > > > Just thought you'd all like to know. > > Marina of Starhaven > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:01 -0400 From: "Julie WIlliams" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Well I didn't open it but I am pretty sure it was meant to let everyone know of a "milestone" that had been hit in the number of emails that have been sent through the scribes list :) Failenn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Helfer" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > My content filtering software blocked it for violating it's "Dangerous > file attachments" rule. I think it was a .url file attached. > > Jim Helfer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: KMcWhyte@aol.com [mailto:KMcWhyte@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:35 AM > To: scribes@castle.org > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > > I wasn't sure what the significance was of the random string of numbers, so > I deleted the e-mail after seeing the attachment was not described (sorry). > > Generally I try to avoid posting files to the list - URLs are more > acceptible by most people. Maybe you could post it online, or give us an > announcement of what this file was? > > --Kayleigh > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 7:19:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Dorinda.E.Courtine-White@Cummins.com writes: > > > > > > > > > Was this something we were supposed to look at or a virus? If it is > > something we were supposed to look at, more description would have been > > nice so we knew it was safe to open. I have *not* opened it and won't > > until I hear back. Thanks! > > > > Dorinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marina > > > SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.coms, scribes@castle.org > > s.com> cc: > > > Sent by: Subject: [scribes]: > Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > owner-scribes@cas > > > tle.org > > > > > > > > > 09/11/02 07:17 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just thought you'd all like to know. > > > > Marina of Starhaven > > > > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:42 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Fwd: Drachenwald Scriptorium 2002, reminder - --part1_8b.1db4a815.2ab1fb52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh, It sounds like a dream. I actually let my fantasy take over for a moment. If I book today I could do the trip for only $1850.00 but that is without any spending money. Oh well maybe some other year. But thanks for letting me dream about scribing in a castle in Sweden. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_8b.1db4a815.2ab1fb52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh,

It sounds like a dream. I actually let my fantasy take over for a moment.  If I book today I could do the trip for only $1850.00 but that is without any spending money.  

Oh well maybe some other year.

But thanks for letting me dream about scribing in a castle in Sweden.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_8b.1db4a815.2ab1fb52_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 It came through as a "plain text attachment" for me. The contents were the following link: http://www.foodtv.com/tvshows/eatlikeaking/0,7429,,00.html Apparently, it's a food network show about Henry VIII's eating habits. Or something. Interesting, but not scribal-related by any stretch of my imagination. HTH, Martha Darach, Caid - --- Marina wrote: > Just thought you'd all like to know. > > Marina of Starhaven> [InternetShortcut] > URL=http://www.foodtv.com/tvshows/eatlikeaking/0,7429,,00.html > Modified=A0093C478359C201CB __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:32 -0400 From: "ailith" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Actually it was a Food Network website for a special called "Eat Like a King." It's on Sunday, September 15 at 9PM ET. From the blurb on the site it doesn't look like the one that Emeril did a while back. This information is from the Riatlo: > This coming Sunday night (the 15th), the Food Channel is running > two shows on English food... the first is "Eat Like a King" and > looks at "the food myths and 16th century realities of King Henry VIII's > court and Tudors of England. We encounter the tools of the medieval > shefs who provided food for more than 1,200 people a day." ... the > second is "Tasting England" and is about "traditional English > cooking", > sorry, no idea how old, new, or just "typical" that one is. > Just thought that there might be folks out there who are > interested... > They will air from 9:00 PM -11:00 PM Sunday 9/15/02 and then again > from 12:00 AM - 2:00 AM Monday morning > Here are the overviews of the shows : > http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/episode/0,6283,KGSP01,00.html > and > http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/episode/0,6283,ENSP01,00.html > > And their menus/recipes are here: > http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/dailyPg/0,6253,09_15_2002_EST,00.html > > The shows will be rebroadcast on the 21st, too (4:00 PM - 6:00 PM) > Catch & print those recipes quickly, folks. TVFood Network will > probably delete them within the next two weeks or so after the final > airings. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:43:15 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Paint Buying Query Schmincke half pan set... .my fav! I love this paint manufacturer... in addition to loving their paints, my sentimental sappy side loves that it is still owned by the same family that started the business over 100 years ago. Anyway, some of the colors on your pallette are unfamiliar to me, namely permanent carmine (I am familiar with Carmine, but I'm not sure if this one is too staining) and English Venetian Red. So I'm not sure about being redundant here... Also, if you are looking for advice in terms of period colors, I am brand new to this aspect of painting, so I only speak from my general background of watercolor painting.... On the white, I was always told (I rarely use white) that Chinese white makes for better opacity and gives the best coverage... shrug... Neutral tint is very cool. Two years ago, when I thought it was the same as Black, I wouldn't even have looked at it. But I've since tried it and now I have two brands of it! I look for watercolors based on two primary factors, their color AND their behavior. I was looking at the Schmincke color palette to see how (in terms of color) permanent carmine compares with Alizarin Crimson and Rose Madder (which in my book, are both absolute MUST HAVEs on any color palette)... but the web palette is useless for color. I wish they would actually paint the stuff on paper and take photos of it. I know it's not perfect, but at least it gives you a clue about it's behavior... Speaking of paint behavior, it is very important (particularly with watercolor) that the paint will do what you want texturally, stainwise, opacity, etc. For instance, it is much easier to make 'mud' with two opaque watercolors than with one that is opaque and another that is not. Or, staining colors work better for glazing than opaque colros... Here are 2 really good sites that I found on the topic. For getting started: http://www.fountainstudio.com/watercolor%20tips/tip-choosing_colors.html For color and paint junkies: http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/pigmt3.html#swatch The person who put this site together took a whole lot of time on it! Another part is whether the colors are warm or cool. For instance, it appears that you have a warm and cool yellow, warm and cool blue, and (sort of) a warm and cool red. This is good because another way to make mud is to combine warm colors with cool colors (see the book Blue and Yellow Don't Make Green, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967962870/qid=1031856371/sr=1-1 /ref=sr_1_1/103-8711054-4591840?v=glance&s=books). I don't usually worry about warm and cool greens, as I only use green for making a color more brown or grey, I never use it for green! Therefore, I pick my greens based on whether they will add pizazz to a color mix (like an herb in cooking :^ ) Some colors I would highly recommend, based on your already existing palette... - Burnt Sienna. I like it cause it tones down colors without making them dull. Also, it is a warm color, whereas sepia is cooler. Try mixing it wet into wet with Ultramarine blue.... really sensual! - Cobalt Blue - this is a GREAT all around handy to have color. It rarely muddies up the paint and makes for wonderful glazing effects. - - Gamboge - This is my FAVORITE mixing yellow. Its strong enough to stand up to the other colors (often a problem with yellows, Cadmium yellow excluded). Unlike Cadmium, it is transparent and not too staining. Another option for yellow is Indian yellow, which is definitely 'period'... but, and this is STRICTLY my personal feeling on the topic, not as interesting at mixing with other colors. It's very transparent. either (and these two colors react COMPLETELY differently) - - Rose Madder - Another GREAT mixing/glazing color. I'm saying it twice cause I like it so much. It is not staining. - ---- or Alizarin Crimson - very staining, beautiful mixing color. It makes beautiful autumn colors (Hmmm... wonder why I thought of that???) - ------------ Other favs. After the above next on my lots of fun list...---------- - - Cerulean Blue - a soft, warm and slightly grainy blue that makes beautiful sky and water effects. - - Naples yellow... I'm really mixed on this one. I was told at Pennsic that this is a great color for the scribal work. But that is typically more gouache related. In straight watercolor painting, it tends to be too opaque for my taste. As an alternative, I would be more inclined to mix my own with something like lemon yellow , sepia or burnt umber, and a very tiny bit of Cobalt blue. BTW, someone (I think it's W&N) offers a 'Naples Yellow Transparent', but I doubt its in pans. - ------------- well, ok... since we are on the subject of favorite paints .... Winsor and Newton's Perylene Maroon... yummy! Try mixing it with yellow... any yellow! Daniel Smith's Quinacronine Gold.... I love to play with mixing colors wet into wet. Invariably I reach for this one when I'm playing. Is it gold? Is it borwn? One things for sure.. .it's lively! =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:45:10 -0400 From: Marina Subject: [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone I just thought you all would like to know about the upcoming show on King Henry. So its not a scribal thing, per se, but there might be some interesting info on period cookbooks that were calligraphed and illuminated. I won't make the mistake again! Marina of Starhaven =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:38:55 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 Actually, it was quite interesting. It was a web "tickler" for a coming event on the Food Network (cable TV station) about how to do a feast in the style of Henry VIII. My newest version of Norton Antivirus didn't kick it off my viewing list, so I went and checked it out. Not sure why it was sent to the Scribes List, but it airs this coming Sunday at 9pm and 12am (EDT) if anyone is interested in watching it. It looks like the people presenting it will be in garb, too. Meisterin Katarina Helene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie WIlliams" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > Well I didn't open it but I am pretty sure it was meant to let everyone know > of a "milestone" that had been hit in the number of emails that have been > sent through the scribes list :) > > Failenn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Helfer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM > Subject: RE: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > > > > > My content filtering software blocked it for violating it's "Dangerous > > file attachments" rule. I think it was a .url file attached. > > > > Jim Helfer > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KMcWhyte@aol.com [mailto:KMcWhyte@aol.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:35 AM > > To: scribes@castle.org > > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > > > > > I wasn't sure what the significance was of the random string of numbers, > so > > I deleted the e-mail after seeing the attachment was not described > (sorry). > > > > Generally I try to avoid posting files to the list - URLs are more > > acceptible by most people. Maybe you could post it online, or give us an > > announcement of what this file was? > > > > --Kayleigh > > > > In a message dated Thu, 12 Sep 2002 7:19:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > Dorinda.E.Courtine-White@Cummins.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was this something we were supposed to look at or a virus? If it is > > > something we were supposed to look at, more description would have been > > > nice so we knew it was safe to open. I have *not* opened it and won't > > > until I hear back. Thanks! > > > > > > Dorinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marina > > > > > > SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.coms, scribes@castle.org > > > s.com> cc: > > > > > Sent by: Subject: [scribes]: > > Emailing: 0,7429,,00 > > > owner-scribes@cas > > > > > tle.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 09/11/02 07:17 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just thought you'd all like to know. > > > > > > Marina of Starhaven > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > > unsubscribe scribes > > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > > the body. > > =================================================================== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > > unsubscribe scribes > > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > > the body. > > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:42:19 -0400 From: Fionnseach du Lochielle Subject: Re: [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone My dear Marina of Starhaven, It isn't so much the issue that the link was about the program "Eat Like A King" and whether or not it is considered 'on topic, but more about the fact that what most people saw (myself included) was a strange link that consisted primarily of numbers. It would be helpful, if in the future, when forwarding a link to the list, to include a little blurb about the link and why you think others might be interested in clicking on it. Your servant, Sister Fionnseach Marina put into words: >I just thought you all would like to know about the upcoming show on King Henry. So its not a scribal thing, per se, but there might be some interesting info on period cookbooks that were calligraphed and illuminated. I won't make the mistake again! > >Marina of Starhaven - -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- ~=Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle=~ Not to have, but to give; Chronicler/Web - Shire of Dernehealde Not to take, but to receive. Combat Scribe - Barony Middle Marches Pursuivant-at-Large - Middle Kingdom Protege of Master Brusten de Bearsul =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: CKE Subject: [scribes]: Gouache brands? Greetings to all: Before I ask my questions, allow me to introduce myself. I am new to the SCA, live in Atlantia, Barony of Caer Mear and "test driving" the name Ysolt. I am also new to period scribal arts. Though not a professional, I have done calligraphy for friends, family and co-workers (wedding invites and such) and have, I believe, a fair hand. Painting in various media - oil, acrylic and watercolour - is also not an unknown. However, the last time I used gouache was for design classes in college (and I won't tell you how long ago that was!!!) As my old tubes of gouache could be classified as petrified fossils, I made a trip to the local craft shop to find only to find the Series A "primary" colors, red, blue and yellow labeled as such, by W&N. I would like to find their better quality paints, but haven't been able to locate the designer series either locally or on-line. Which leads to my questions: Where can W&N designer gouache be found on line? What are good quality alternatives (short of making my own)? What is the general opinion of Holbein designer gouache? Has it been used successfully for illuminating scrolls? Thank you ~ Ysolt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:43:46 -0400 From: Fionnseach du Lochielle Subject: Re: [scribes]: I didn't mean to scare anyone Responding to my own post here.... Gads, please don't take it as condecension on my part. I truly didn't mean for it to seem like that. I was trying to simply give an explanation of what I *perceived* to be the main concern aobut the whole issue... *sigh* My most profound apologies if my message was off-putting to anyone. Sister Fionnseach Fionnseach du Lochielle put into words: >My dear Marina of Starhaven, > >[snip] - -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- ~=Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle=~ Not to have, but to give; Chronicler/Web - Shire of Dernehealde Not to take, but to receive. Combat Scribe - Barony Middle Marches Pursuivant-at-Large - Middle Kingdom Protege of Master Brusten de Bearsul =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:28:36 -0400 From: "ailith" Subject: [scribes]: Re: Iconofile Saradwen- I, too, received an email message from Iconofile. There were *no* other headers. The email address is iconphile@iconofile.com with none other listed. There was also no message from Alex--just the page itself from Iconofile. At the bottom of the page it says "Powered by List Builder, Click Here to change or remove your subscription." Initially I had thought that my daughter had signed me up for something without telling me (they both have done it in the past). I have no idea how they got my email address. I didn't even know that they existed before 09/09. ailith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Burnell" To: "john j cash" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile > >I received a message this morning from Iconofile, with several politely > >worded adds for its stuff, and a note at the end saying I received it > >because I had expressed interest or information. I hadn't. I wonder if > >Iconofile has managed to get some of us onto its mailing list through > >information inadvertently provided by a list member? Anyone else find > >themselves unaccountably on Iconofile's list? > > Look carefully. It was forwarded to this list from Alex the Scribe as > something that she thought would be interesting to us. I did not receive > anything from Iconofile itself, just a forward from Alex the Scribe via this > list. Read her post a little more carefully. It says at the beginning: > > >Iconofile eJournal: September 4, 2002:For all the scribes and illuminators > and others doing research. Enjoy. > >Alex the scribe > > Then when you scroll down, you see the quote at the end: > > >You are receiving this e-mail because you have expressed an interest in > receiving the journal from Iconofile -- either by specifically signing up > for the journal or by registering for the site and choosing to receive news > from Iconofile. > > So you aren't personally receiving this because they sent it to you. > Obviously, Alex does, and sent it to us because she thought we might be > interested. > > Look carefully at the e-mail. It comes from Eva Melhose, and the topic is > "FW: ICONOFILE eJOURNAL, September 4, 2002" > > If any of you DID receive an unsolicited e-mail from Iconofile itself and > not just from Lady Alex, then I don't know what to tell you. But I certainly > didn't get anything of the kind. > > ~Saradwen > Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:41:35 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]:Delivery.. not content: 0,7429,,00 Hey! I'm really happy to have received it... please don't throw the baby out with the bath water on this. The only mistake was in the packaging, the package was fun news. While it's not specifically scribal, its relevant (the period cookbooks was a stretch, but a nice touch! :^ ) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:55:20 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gouache brands? > Which leads to my questions: Where can W&N designer > gouache be found on line? www.dickblick.com www.aswexpress.com www.paperinkarts.com www.cheapjoes.com to name just a very few. Many art supply websites don't have their entire catalog online, so requesting a catalog is a good idea. I personally order most of my supplies from Dick Blick, the prices are good, and they have free shipping if you order more than $200 worth of supplies. (I try to find someone else who needs stuff to make up the total) They also give quantity discounts on many items, which is great if you're buying for a guild or class. They seem to have the entire catalog (searchable) online. If they'd just carry Flo-2 (very opaque white watercolor by Dr. Ph Martin) I wouldn't have to order from any other company. :) Chiara da Ravenna Stonemarche, EK (NH) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:13:59 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Maker's Marks Revisited Just a couple of things before I run out the door to work... 1. Posted on the EK Scribe list this morning - Caitlin MacKenzie is looking for the contact who previously discussed maker's marks at the EK Scribe Party at War... 2. If a log is being kept of maker's marks, I've finally adopted one as of the latest scroll: A half-full hourglass in an annulet. Have a great weekend, everyone, and hope to see some of you at St. Elegius' Pentathlon (A&S) tomorrow. :) - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" An Dubhaigheainn, East ('Beth Frank, Long Island NY) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: [scribes]: EK Scribe List On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > 1. Posted on the EK Scribe list this morning ... I have a vague recollection of having been on this list at one point, but I no longer have the list info. It's also not listed on the EK page describing EK mailing lists. How does one get on this list? =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:30:20 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: judging A&S - rubric for illumination - --part1_c9.2833ef5b.2ab35e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you ever wonder what judges at A&S competitions may be looking for??? A couple of years ago I was asked to help write a rubric (set of criteria used to determine a score) for Illumination. Mistress Alicia Langland also helped in writing this rubric. The score is based on a maximum of 5 points in each of 6 categories ... aesthetics, authenticity, execution, creativity, complexity & documentation. Based on our own judging experience, we came up with definitions for each of the categories and a list of things that we would expect to see in a scrolls that cause us to assign it the points we do. A couple of months ago I was asked what judges look for. I remembered the rubric, but couldn't access it until recently. Now that I have it on my computer again, with Alicia's agreement, I have posted it as a link from the Cyber-scriptorium ... or as a more direct route, at: http://www.geocities.com/sca_scribe/rubric.html Remember, not all judges use the same criteria. It can vary from judge to judge and kingdom to kingdom.... this is our best attempt to put into words what we look for and how we score it. Even if you don't use it for judging, it makes a wonderful tool for self improvement in your illumination skill. It is especially useful when a piece doesn't look quite right, but you can't figure out why. Try judging a piece of your own work. Not only will you find things you can improve on, but you may gain a greater appreciation for what judges do. Enjoy :-) Maitresse Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon AEthelmearc Victory or defeat lies in God's hands.... Over honor, we ourselves, are lord and Master. - --part1_c9.2833ef5b.2ab35e8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you ever wonder what judges at A&S competitions may be looking for???

A couple of years ago I was asked to help write a rubric (set of criteria used to determine a score) for Illumination. Mistress Alicia Langland also helped in writing this rubric. The score is based on a maximum of 5 points in each of 6 categories ... aesthetics, authenticity, execution, creativity, complexity & documentation.

Based on our own judging experience, we came up with definitions for each of the categories and a list of things that we would expect to see in a scrolls that cause us to assign it the points we do.

A couple of months ago I was asked what judges look for. I remembered the rubric, but couldn't access it until recently. Now that I have it on my computer again, with Alicia's agreement, I have posted it as a link from the Cyber-scriptorium ... or as a more direct route, at:

http://www.geocities.com/sca_scribe/rubric.html

Remember, not all judges use the same criteria. It can vary from judge to judge and kingdom to kingdom.... this is our best attempt to put into words what we look for and how we score it.

Even if you don't use it for judging, it makes a wonderful tool for self improvement in your illumination skill. It is especially useful when a piece doesn't look quite right, but you can't figure out why. Try judging a piece of your own work. Not only will you find things you can improve on, but you may gain a greater appreciation for what judges do.

Enjoy  :-)

Maitresse Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon
AEthelmearc

Victory or defeat lies in God's hands....
Over honor, we ourselves, are lord and Master.
 - --part1_c9.2833ef5b.2ab35e8c_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: judging A&S - rubric for illumination On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 RenScribe@aol.com wrote: > A couple of years ago I was asked to help write a rubric (set > of criteria used to determine a score) for Illumination. Does anyone ever enter a Calligraphy-only piece for an A&S competition? =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:17:25 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: judging A&S - rubric for illumination - --part1_16d.12f4a630.2ab36995_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/2002 11:58:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gray@cs.umass.edu writes: > > Does anyone ever enter a Calligraphy-only piece for an A&S > competition? > > There is also a rubric for illumination... but I didn't work on that one, so I don't have a clue about what's in it. Calligraphy only pieces are becoming more popular here in AEthelmearc. I have seen some really wonderful examples .... and those are inspiring others. I use colored paints and gold all of the time - it makes folks go "Oohhhh". When someone has the skill to use nothing but ink and lettering and the beauty of it makes you catch your breath ... that's impressive :-) Yvianne - --part1_16d.12f4a630.2ab36995_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/2002 11:58:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gray@cs.umass.edu writes:



Does anyone ever enter a Calligraphy-only piece for an A&S
competition?



There is also a rubric for illumination... but I didn't work on that one, so I don't have a clue about what's in it.

Calligraphy only pieces are becoming more popular here in AEthelmearc. I have seen some really wonderful examples .... and those are inspiring others.

I use colored paints and gold all of the time - it makes folks go "Oohhhh". When someone has the skill to use nothing but ink and lettering and the beauty of it makes you catch your breath ... that's impressive  :-)

Yvianne - --part1_16d.12f4a630.2ab36995_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #55 ****************************