From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #53 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, September 10 2002 Volume 08 : Number 053 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: SCA in Chicago Re: [scribes]: gesso mix? [scribes]: Iconofile abuse Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile RE: [scribes]: re: Iconofile [scribes]: introduction [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile [scribes]: post fey Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:38:13 -0400 From: Cpccohen@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: SCA in Chicago Woah! An SCA branch meets in Ida Noyes? Way cool! Tell me everything. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 07:18:24 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: gesso mix? - --part1_166.137ed1c2.2aaddd80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny thing is, I don't remember subscribing to Iconofile, but it says that I've signed up for it.... - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" An Dubhaigheainn, East (E.Frank, Long Island, NY) In a message dated 9/9/02 3:45:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owly3@yahoo.se writes: > just found this on Iconofile > http://www.iconofile.com/mediums.asp > > amoung other things they have a finshed gesso mix. > Just add water to the powder and you have gesso. > > Has anyone tried this stuff? The site has other > interesting things like a beginners kit for pigment > grinding etc. > > Anna de Byxe, who is hapy because she just figured out > how Arcantus leaves work. - --part1_166.137ed1c2.2aaddd80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny thing is, I don't remember subscribing to Iconofile, but it says that I've signed up for it....

--Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe"
An Dubhaigheainn, East
(E.Frank, Long Island, NY)

In a message dated 9/9/02 3:45:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owly3@yahoo.se writes:


just found this on Iconofile
http://www.iconofile.com/mediums.asp

amoung other things they have a finshed gesso mix.
Just add water to the powder and you have gesso.

Has anyone tried this stuff? The site has other
interesting things like a beginners kit for pigment
grinding etc.

Anna de Byxe, who is hapy because she just figured out
how Arcantus leaves work.
- --part1_166.137ed1c2.2aaddd80_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:27:52 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: [scribes]: Iconofile abuse DEar folks, I just received a message from Iconofile, with a number of politely worded advertisements for their materials and a note at the end: "You are receiving this e-mail because you have expressed an interest in receiving the journal from Iconofile -- either by specifically signing up for the journal or by registering for the site and choosing to receive news from Iconofile." Of course, I have expressed no such interest. I have reported it to the Abuse page of their site. This makes me curious, perhaps some members of this list have subscribed and Iconofile is making use of information they provided to gain access to other members of our list? - -- Johannes v.n. "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:32:42 -0700 From: Jeanne Marie Lacroix Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Check the header - the one I received was _not_ from Iconofile, it was forwarded to the list by Alex the Scribe. There was a note in the beginning - I think it was meant to only be the link but the whole page was sent. It ws sent to several lists. Jeanne Marie john j cash wrote: > Dear folks, > > I sent this message out earlier, but I may have sent it to a single > person, and i meant it to go to the whole list. I am resending. > > I received a message this morning from Iconofile, with several politely > worded adds for its stuff, and a note at the end saying I received it > because I had expressed interest or information. I hadn't. I wonder if > Iconofile has managed to get some of us onto its mailing list through > information inadvertently provided by a list member? Anyone else find > themselves unaccountably on Iconofile's list? > > -- johannes v.n. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:43:01 -0400 From: "Holly" Subject: RE: [scribes]: re: Iconofile I got one yesterday from them, not the one just posted to the list. The latter one does have the word SCRIBES in the header, as does all mail from this list. I do not remember giving them my email address for anything. Never heard of them until now. I could be wrong - my memory sure isn't what it used to be. :-\ :-)---Holly---<--<-<-@ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Check the header - the one I received was _not_ from Iconofile, it was forwarded to the list by Alex the Scribe. There was a note in the beginning - I think it was meant to only be the link but the whole page was sent. It ws sent to several lists. Jeanne Marie =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Subject: [scribes]: introduction - --0-1315640965-1031660047=:94219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the warm welcomes and the great links! This is going to keep me busy for a while.... Peace- Jane - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost - --0-1315640965-1031660047=:94219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Thanks for the warm welcomes and the great links!

This is going to keep me busy for a while....

Peace-

Jane

 


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9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost - --0-1315640965-1031660047=:94219-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:29:41 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Dear folks, While yes the Iconofile e-mail (the one Alex didn't send to the list) was interesting, and I know I didn't get drunk recently and go on a binge of signing myself up for tons of spam lists, I have a couple of solutions... The first one is a program called "Ad Aware". If you've visited certain websites, there are cookies placed on your computer that will pick up information about you, and where you visit, called "spyware". Ad Aware removes these annoying little trackers and cuts the spam/marketing servers off from another figure for their lists. CNet has it for free on their website. Second... Internet providers like AOL sometimes give out or just plain take information about their users. Check with your provider about the privacy policy. While I am sure the list manager here would NOT give out our e-mails (based on the Portugese Supermarket and other such spam that has leaked into the list), and I am basing this on trust that everyone here has sense enough to ask permission before signing their friends up for e-lists, I also think it could be possible that worms occur off the list, and other such nastiness. Might be time to do another sweep. But at the very least, this time it was educational spam. ;) (While I'm not into painting icons, I at least learned something from it. Thanks Alex). My .02 ink spots... - --Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:51:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) Except that this email account is not related at all to the accounts on the machines I do my surfing on--if it were, I'd have gotten that spam at my work address. And I know darned well my ISP admins aren't selling user lists--I would personally skin them both (I work with one, I'm married to the other--I know where to find them). So it has to be something else. I wonder if one of the other SPAM purveyors that had been subscribed to the list got a member list and is selling that. It certainly wouldn't surprise me. Margaret FitzWilliam, who also got the Iconofile spam On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > Dear folks, > > While yes the Iconofile e-mail (the one Alex didn't send to the list) was interesting, and I know I didn't get drunk recently and go on a binge of signing myself up for tons of spam lists, I have a couple of solutions... > > The first one is a program called "Ad Aware". If you've visited certain websites, there are cookies placed on your computer that will pick up information about you, and where you visit, called "spyware". Ad Aware removes these annoying little trackers and cuts the spam/marketing servers off from another figure for their lists. CNet has it for free on their website. > > Second... Internet providers like AOL sometimes give out or just plain take information about their users. Check with your provider about the privacy policy. While I am sure the list manager here would NOT give out our e-mails (based on the Portugese Supermarket and other such spam that has leaked into the list), and I am basing this on trust that everyone here has sense enough to ask permission before signing their friends up for e-lists, I also think it could be possible that worms occur off the list, and other such nastiness. Might be time to do another sweep. > > But at the very least, this time it was educational spam. ;) > (While I'm not into painting icons, I at least learned something from it. Thanks Alex). > > My .02 ink spots... > > --Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile > Dear folks, > > I sent this message out earlier, but I may have sent it to a single > person, and i meant it to go to the whole list. I am resending. > > I received a message this morning from Iconofile, with several politely > worded adds for its stuff, and a note at the end saying I received it > because I had expressed interest or information. I hadn't. I wonder if > Iconofile has managed to get some of us onto its mailing list through > information inadvertently provided by a list member? Anyone else find > themselves unaccountably on Iconofile's list? > > -- johannes v.n. Yes. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile I received two copies -- one that was forwarded to this list, and one sent directly to my e-mail address. On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Jeanne Marie Lacroix wrote: > Check the header - the one I received was _not_ from > Iconofile, it was forwarded to the list by Alex the Scribe. > There was a note in the beginning - I think it was meant to > only be the link but the whole page was sent. It ws sent to > several lists. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) > The first one is a program called "Ad Aware". If you've > visited certain websites, there are cookies placed on your > computer that will pick up information about you, and where > you visit, called "spyware". Ad Aware removes these annoying > little trackers and cuts the spam/marketing servers off from > another figure for their lists. CNet has it for free on their > website. My system already keeps track of these things, and does not report this e-mail address to any websites. As a matter of fact, it _can't_, because the system that I use for webbrowsing (Windows 2000) knows nothing about this address (Unix account). > Second... Internet providers like AOL sometimes give out or > just plain take information about their users. Check with > your provider about the privacy policy. Again, my ISP knows nothing about this e-mail account... > While I am sure the list manager here would NOT give out our > e-mails (based on the Portugese Supermarket and other such > spam that has leaked into the list), and I am basing this on > trust that everyone here has sense enough to ask permission > before signing their friends up for e-lists, I also think it > could be possible that worms occur off the list, and other > such nastiness. Might be time to do another sweep. Another "sweep"? Exactly what are you proposing? > But at the very least, this time it was educational spam. ;) > (While I'm not into painting icons, I at least learned > something from it. Thanks Alex). What Alex did is ... reasonable. What Iconophile did, sending unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE), is _not_ reasonable, and is grounds for blacklisting from a number of ISPs. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iconofile and Unsolicited e-mails (spam) FYI: The Iconofile mass mailing was handled through Microsoft's bCentral Small Business Solutions website. The Terms of Service for that website is at http://www.bcentral.com/help/policy/terms.asp There is a provision in the Terms of Service (ToS) against sending unsolicited or unauthorized advertising. I intend to complain. - -- Lyle H. Gray GrayTech Software, Inc. http://www.graytechsoftware.com gray@cs.umass.edu =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Troy Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Yes. Anna de Byxe - --- john j cash wrote: > Dear folks, > > I sent this message out earlier, but I may have sent > it to a single > person, and i meant it to go to the whole list. I am > resending. > > I received a message this morning from Iconofile, > with several politely > worded adds for its stuff, and a note at the end > saying I received it > because I had expressed interest or information. I > hadn't. I wonder if > Iconofile has managed to get some of us onto its > mailing list through > information inadvertently provided by a list member? > Anyone else find > themselves unaccountably on Iconofile's list? > > -- johannes v.n. > > "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over > those who can't" > -- Mark Twain > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any > additional text in > the body. > ===== "So many books, so little time." "Anna's Crafts Links Page" has MOVED to: http://www.angelfire.com/retro/crafts __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Ditto here. Now my problem is that the site looks interesting, and has some stuff I might want to buy, but *on principle* I NEVER buy anything from spammers, and the "newsletter" sent directly to my email address was most definitely spam. Oh well, I guess there are other art supply sites out there, I'll just have to frequent them. :) Martha - --- "Lyle H. Gray" wrote: > I received two copies -- one that was forwarded to this list, and > one sent directly to my e-mail address. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:46:35 -0600 From: "Valerie Scarbrough" Subject: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Greetings, Sorry, this is a bit long.... :o) I need guidance on a question that has been on my mind a lot lately. My question is basically this: I would like to become an apprentice to a Laurel. I am, however a very shy person. How do I go about first figuring out who would be right teacher/mentor for me, and then, how do I ask them if they would be willing to take on that responsibility? Would anyone be willing to share how they became an apprentice or protégé? Or if you are a Laurel or Pelican, would you please tell me how best to broach the subject and what you look for in this type of relationship? I am in the process of learning more about the scribal arts, most particularly illumination at this time. I have done a few scrolls, bought a few good books on the subject and generally just looked a lot at the work of others when available in person or online. I feel that I am at a point where I know that I am very interested in continuing along this vein and also widening my horizons to include other areas of the scribal arts. I would like now to find someone who could inspire me and also nudge me when I am lazy or when some area needs more work. To give me direction and also share the joy I am finding in learning. If the good gentles of this list would be so kind as to offer assistance in this matter, it would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance for anything you are willing to share with me, Lady Bethany of Windermere =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Haselbauer Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Isn't this all a little silly. Maybe it's because I get very little spam but I don't mind being sent useful stuff. I think of it more like a television commerical rather than like paper junk mail. Easily ignorable if need be. Slaine __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:10:16 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... >How do I go about first figuring out who would be right teacher/mentor for >me, and then, how do I ask them if they would be willing to take on that >responsibility? Find someone who you admire, both in personality and in their art - talk with them. Be their friend before entering into anything else. See if you're compatible. Someone who takes you as a dependant doesn't have to be in your area of the arts. Peers should be able to guide you to those who can help you. Peers should also be able to help you develop those mysterious 'peer-like qualities' and encourage your development as a person, in addition to your development as an artist. >Would anyone be willing to share how they became an apprentice or protégé? My laurel asked me to be his student for a year. We were having dinner at the time and I almost choked on my beer. I accepted the student position with the knowledge that, in a year, I would be offered an apprenticeship. We discussed what we each would expect of the other over the next few months. Six months after that first conversation (actually less) he asked me to formally become his apprentice because he felt I was ready for that step. It was a good thing I was sitting down when he asked because I would have fallen over. We again spent time discussing what each expected of the other and the rules of the relationship. Rule One, never to be broken - real life comes first. He sends me to people who can teach me things about which he knows nothing (such as costuming) and does his best to teach me the things which he is knowledgable (metalwork, art, jewelry making). He gives me support, praises me when I do well, tells me when I do something stupid, challenges me, and is a great friend. I hope you find someone who fits your personality and needs. Smiles, Despina de la Brasov apprentice to Master Wolfgang von Roessler - ---------- A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:28:00 -0600 From: fwydiva@telusplanet.net Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Hi All, : My question is basically this: I would like to become an apprentice to a : Laurel. : Would anyone be willing to share how they became an apprentice or protégé? Well, since I was recently taken as an Apprentigeé (tm) (my word for the 'student' of a Laurel/Pel double peer) at our Crown event last week, I'm still quite happy to discuss it! First, the 'how it came about' part. I count a few Peers among my friends, and regularly bounce questions and ideas off of them. In the course of once such conversation I had sort of wondered aloud if being an apprentice would benefit me at this point in my SCA career, and my friend - a Laurel and Pelican - remarked that she had just been wondering to herself a few days prior if I might be interested in an arrangement like that with her. So we chatted - I asked her a bunch of questions regarding how she viewed that kind of thing, and what she saw as her role in my development, and she asked me several pointed, soul-searching questions as well. I was also connected with her other apprentice for his perspective on things. A week later, we were at Crown, did a wee ceremony in front of friends and family, and now we're on our way. Badda boom, badda bing. ::grin:: Bear in mind, however, the following: Every Peer/Student relationship is different. For some, it's a loosely defined arrangement, for others it's far more involved and serious. Do your research. Look at things like how many apprentices they already have, and how much actual instruction those studens are receiving, how involved in their household you will be expected to be, whether they promote their own students, or expect others to notice them, etc... I would also recommend not limiting yourself to exploring this relationship with only Scribal Laurels. Granted, you will learn much from someone who has walked the Scribal path to a certain degree, but sometimes it's the intangibles where we need the most assistance. My Laurican (tm) is focused on different arts/skills than I am, and can offer somewhat cursory - but still valid and useful - *direct* instruction and commentary about my projects. However, I can learn much about "Peer-like Qualities" from her, and she can still set tasks to me regardless of the subject. She also knows lots of *other* Peers who *do* have a deeper understanding of my chosen art, making the resource pool really quite broad. Also, I've found the axiom "When the Student is Ready, the Teacher Will Appear" to be true more often than not. Just being an active participant in your art will put you in the path of lots of interesting and useful people - Peers and non-Peers alike. Sooner or later you'll hook up with someone who is a good fit. So, there's no real moral to the story other than you'll know *them* when you see them (and vice-versa), and if the relationship is the right one, things will fall into place without too much ado. But, as is often the case with these sorts of things, your mileage may vary. Best of luck! Slan, Bebhinn ingen Aoidh Freshly Minted Apprentigeé to Companion Celdae the Seeker Among other things =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:47:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: Iconofile Just to put spam into perspective, I did not get any unsolicited email from Iconofile, but I did get three copies of the unsolicited, off topic message below, plus numerous replies to same. While I realize that spam is irritating as all get out, sending lots of email about how horrible it is kind of defeats the purpose. Branwen ferch Emrys On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:42 -0400 (EDT) "Lyle H. Gray" wrote: > > Dear folks, > > > > I sent this message out earlier, but I may > have sent it to a single > > person, and i meant it to go to the whole > list. I am resending. > > > > I received a message this morning from > Iconofile, with several politely > > worded adds for its stuff, and a note at the > end saying I received it > > because I had expressed interest or > information. I hadn't. I wonder if > > Iconofile has managed to get some of us onto > its mailing list through > > information inadvertently provided by a list > member? Anyone else find > > themselves unaccountably on Iconofile's list? > > > > -- johannes v.n. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: [scribes]: post fey - --0-1026507153-1031679876=:46107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii mahee here, I live in the town where Fey hit. Our house only got 2 inches of sewage water in it, but out side that, there was any real loss. Our SCA stuff was still in Gulf Wars boxes so they stayed dry, but there were some losses. The AOA I was working on was destroyed, so I will be starting that one all over again. SCA family has been wonderful, one family lent us stuff to suck up the water with and another took our children off our hands so medb and I could clean. Things are getting back to normal though. your servant, mahee - --------------------------------- Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost - --0-1026507153-1031679876=:46107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

mahee here,

 I live in the town where Fey hit. Our house only got 2 inches of sewage water in it, but out side that, there was any real loss. Our SCA stuff was still in Gulf Wars boxes so they stayed dry, but there were some losses. The AOA I was working on was destroyed, so I will be starting that one all over again. SCA family has been wonderful, one family lent us stuff to suck up the water with and another took our children off our hands so medb and I could clean. Things are getting back to normal though.

your servant,

mahee


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9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost - --0-1026507153-1031679876=:46107-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:17:01 -0400 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Dear Lady Bethany, As a double Peer (Laureled in 1988) I have some experience and perspective to share. I have seen all manner of styles and approaches in Peer/Dependent relationships. The most important thing to understand is that there are no hard and fast rules. Each Peer has a different relationship with each of their dependents, even if their own household rules are "set in stone." Interestingly, this conversation just came up twice before in the last two days for me. One guy wanting to know if I would become his Laurel, and another guy mulling over becoming a squire to another fellow a good distance away. The later asked "what does a Knight get out of the relationship?" Again, that is different from one Peer to the next, but a valid question to ask. My personal view is this: A Dependent should be willing to state that they are "In training" to become a Peer in their area of expertise. They should have first and foremost a friendship with their Peer before they become a Dependent. They should be willing and driven to want to learn what their Peer has to offer, in the way their Peer can teach it. They should also recognize that we learn from many sources, and that there is seldom one single right way to do something. I am willing to consider taking people on as students in my field, but rarely will I take a squire or apprentice outright. We may not know each other initially, but in that lesser capacity (student or Man At Arms) it is hoped that we will get to know each other well enough to feel comfortable in a full Peer/Apprentice (Squire) relationship. If I find that the person gets along with me well, is genuinely interested in learning from me and makes good effort in that direction, then they are usually invited to take that new colored belt. I had one who was terribly shy, and her boyfriend and other friends kept trying to talk to me on her behalf! We were out to dinner one evening and I finally worked it into the conversation with her boyfriend -right in front of her- that I was very open to people approaching me about the subject, BUT THEY REALLY DO NEED TO GET ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF MENTIONING IT THEMSELVES. She made a great apprentice and became a tremendous scribe. There are a lot of talented scribes out there, and many have a great potential. I am willing to help any who come to me, but how can it be expected that I will seek them all equally to get them to come to me? I am just one guy. Hey, it is "first come, first served" for my time. Laurels are people too, and we have a finite amount of time for the number of people we can deal with. For me, I don't count the quality of my household by the number of members, nor do I count it by the quality of their skills. I count it by the dedication of those in it. I DO know Peers who intentionally build large households because the social or prestige thing is more important to them. I do know Peers who only take on people who are really good at what they do because those Peers think they are enhanced by the success of those associated with them. I don't get that reasoning. But it is there. What you will make of this information all depends on what you want out of your relationship with your Peer. More to understand: I don't know about other Kingdoms, but being an apprentice or squire is not a requirement for elevation in the Middle Kingdom. We have always got people on our list of candidates who are not associated with a particular Peer. That doesn't mean these people have no advocate. If they are on our list of folks to observe, they have an advocate. It might not even be their Peer! The advocate is the one responsible for helping keep the Order up to date on a candidate's progress. But unless the candidate doesn't get around too much, many members of the Order will know something about them anyway. Good works and good deeds gain renown by their inherent virtue. The advantage I see in being a dependent to a Peer is exactly the same as anyone who is willing to discuss their life and their craft with an un-associated Peer. Advice is advice. If you are willing to talk, usually a Peer who knows and likes you is willing to listen and advise. That's part of our responsibility. remember, it isn't about becoming an Apprentice, and it isn't about becoming a Laurel. It IS about becoming the best you can be at what you do and who you are, and at that point you may be a Laurel who is just waiting to be recognized. Good luck with it, RanthulfR AsparlundR OL, KSCA Valerie Scarbrough wrote: > > Greetings, > Sorry, this is a bit long.... :o) > I need guidance on a question that has been on my mind a lot lately. > My question is basically this: I would like to become an apprentice to a Laurel. I am, however a very shy person. > How do I go about first figuring out who would be right teacher/mentor for me, and then, how do I ask them if they would be willing to take on that responsibility? > Would anyone be willing to share how they became an apprentice or protégé? Or if you are a Laurel or Pelican, would you please tell me how best to broach the subject and what you look for in this type of relationship? > I am in the process of learning more about the scribal arts, most particularly illumination at this time. I have done a few scrolls, bought a few good books on the subject and generally just looked a lot at the work of others when available in person or online. > I feel that I am at a point where I know that I am very interested in continuing along this vein and also widening my horizons to include other areas of the scribal arts. I would like now to find someone who could inspire me and also nudge me when I am lazy or when some area needs more work. To give me direction and also share the joy I am finding in learning. > If the good gentles of this list would be so kind as to offer assistance in this matter, it would be much appreciated. > Thank you in advance for anything you are willing to share with me, > Lady Bethany of Windermere > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:21:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Apprentice question... Well, I'm not a Peer, nor a dependent, but many of my friends are, and the wisdom I have heard from more than one of them, both for a Peer taking a dependent and for someone thinking of becoming a dependent is this: Consider that you have just had the worst day EVER at work. How would you react if you came home and found this person sitting on your couch, waiting for you? It's more of a personality thing than a why and wherefore thing, but I figure if they all agree, there must be something to it. Margaret FitzWilliam > > Greetings, > Sorry, this is a bit long.... :o) > I need guidance on a question that has been on my mind a lot lately. > My question is basically this: I would like to become an apprentice to a Laurel. I am, however a very shy person. > How do I go about first figuring out who would be right teacher/mentor for me, and then, how do I ask them if they would be willing to take on that responsibility? > Would anyone be willing to share how they became an apprentice or protégé? Or if you are a Laurel or Pelican, would you please tell me how best to broach the subject and what you look for in this type of relationship? > I am in the process of learning more about the scribal arts, most particularly illumination at this time. I have done a few scrolls, bought a few good books on the subject and generally just looked a lot at the work of others when available in person or online. > I feel that I am at a point where I know that I am very interested in continuing along this vein and also widening my horizons to include other areas of the scribal arts. I would like now to find someone who could inspire me and also nudge me when I am lazy or when some area needs more work. To give me direction and also share the joy I am finding in learning. > If the good gentles of this list would be so kind as to offer assistance in this matter, it would be much appreciated. > Thank you in advance for anything you are willing to share with me, > Lady Bethany of Windermere =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #53 ****************************