From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #51 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, September 8 2002 Volume 08 : Number 051 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. Re: [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. [scribes]: Re: a newbie enters a competition. [scribes]: introduction Re: [scribes]: introduction [scribes]: Re: : introduction Re: [scribes]: introduction Re: [scribes]: introduction Re: [scribes]: introduction [scribes]: Hi I'm new Re: [scribes]: Hi I'm new Re: [scribes]: Hi I'm new ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Haselbauer Subject: Re: [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. Irene, Presentation always helps. Do you have a desk top easle? I rigged one up with an iron-looking plate holder. Framing will also protect your work and aid in presentation. Bring a table cloth. I've also seen people bring a desk lamp to better illuminate their project. Your kingdom might have criteria written up for what is expected at different levels of expertise. Check your kindom's Arts and Sciences page. I recently taught a class in my barony on research and documentation in general. The notes are posted here It's heavily weighted to my area - Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir - but you might find some of the links useful. Cheers, Slaine - --- ArtsofPalm@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, fellow scribes. > > Alright, I'm going to go fer it... I'm going to work > on a scroll for the > novice award of the Crown tourney. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:51:56 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. Irene: A lot depends on the Kingdom and its requirements. In the Middle, competitions are usually only with the set criteria, not against another individual or their submission. We do have A&S Displays, where people put out their work and some sort of "this is how I got here" type of documentation. In the Middle, for competitions, we also stress that the individual start out with the documentation and then build the piece... in other words, do the research first and then the project. This applies for C&I work as well as any other aspect of A&S. Now, for your piece, I would highly recommend you keep your explanations as short and concise as you can, yet still explain the background of the submission. If you are worried about the change of your work being damaged, place it under plexiglass during display periods. Make sure the judges can look under that plexiglass, though, as they will probably want to see it a heck of a lot closer for techniques. You need to find out just how much space you will be allowed to have, and then plan your display around it. You may only have a 2' x 2' space, so you can't have loads and loads of examples spread out around it... or books. Place some good documentation in a binder... color copies of inspiration pieces or examples of similar illumination/calligraphy, etc. You are usually safe in putting the following information into your "documentation," no matter what kingdom: 1. How was the technique done in period. 1.a. How did you deviate from this technique and why. 2. What materials you used. (it is OK to use modern materials if you can explain why you didn't use the period one... i.e.; money considerations, availability, your own expertise, etc.) 2.a. What materials would have been used in period. 3. What problems did you encounter and how did you overcome them. The Middle Kingdom has a fairly structured format for documentation and judging of A&S projects. You can view our handbook by going to http://www.midrealm.org and then to the KMoAS link. I hope this helps you out a bit. Oh, yes. If you want someone other than a judge to comment on your work, then, by all means, place a note pad nearby with a heading... COMMENTS PLEASE. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:21:17 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: a newbie enters a competition. OOPS... see.. I told you I was a newbie... My artwork will be for the Atlantian Crown Tourney in early November. It will be a scroll (let's start with the basics, I say). The period is 1492 to 1600 (probably pretty popular) and a horse or horse related 'thing' must be in the artwork. I think I got it all. In a message dated 9/6/2002 11:50:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cebaker@ilstu.edu writes: << What do you mean when you say the scroll is for the "novice award of the Crown tourney?" Are you from the Middle Kingdom? Many Kingdoms have different rules for each of their A&S displays/competitions. (I hope you are from someplace nearby, I love to see work from new scribes!) >> =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Subject: [scribes]: introduction - --0-1464946511-1031338003=:39206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Fellow Scribes, Please forgive me for the delay in introducing myself. My name is Jane Boykin. I live in Canton, Georgia - a town about 40 miles north of Atlanta. I have been practicing the art of calligraphy for about 25 years now. I enjoy all aspects of the letttering arts. My latest completed projects have been illuminations Though I tend toward the more traditional forms I also have experimented with more contemporary forms of the art. A full-time wife & mother, I have on occaision been paid for my calligraphy. I have an interest in the SCA and have been surfing those related sites.I am a life-long history buff., with a particular interest in Classical, Medieval, & Renaissance history. My father was a Medievalist - so I guess I inherited the interest. I grabbed the name "Iona Stylus" because I though it made a clever e-mail address & expressed my interest in calligraphy. :) Now that I've been reading the SCA sights I feel the need to choose a proper Medieval name. What a project that could be!!! Decisions, decisions... Where to start? In the meantime... Best Regards! Jane Boykin Canton, GA - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes - --0-1464946511-1031338003=:39206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear Fellow Scribes,

Please forgive me for the delay in introducing myself.

My name is Jane Boykin. I live in Canton, Georgia - a town about 40 miles north of Atlanta.

I have been practicing the art of calligraphy for about 25 years now. I enjoy all aspects of the letttering arts. My latest completed projects have been illuminations Though I tend toward the more traditional forms I also have experimented with more contemporary forms of the art.

A full-time wife & mother, I have on occaision been paid for my calligraphy.

I have an interest in the SCA and have been surfing those related sites.I am a life-long history buff., with a particular interest in Classical, Medieval, &  Renaissance history. My father was a Medievalist - so I guess I inherited the interest.

I grabbed the name "Iona Stylus" because I though it made a clever e-mail address & expressed my interest in calligraphy. :)

Now that I've been reading the SCA sights I feel the need to choose a proper Medieval name. What a project that could be!!! Decisions, decisions... Where to start?

In the meantime...

Best Regards!

Jane Boykin

Canton, GA


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Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes - --0-1464946511-1031338003=:39206-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Booth Subject: Re: [scribes]: introduction Welcome to the group, Jane! As I'm sure you've noticed already, we have members here of all the various skill and interest levels -- all kindred souls. Some of us mainly "lurk" on the list, others take a more active role in answering posts. I'm sure you'll find a comfortable niche in the SCA -- lots of scribes and illuminators interested in history in a group that often feels like a really huge family. We're glad to have you with us! - -- Suzanne HL Suzanne de la Ferté Barony of Bjornsborg (San Antonio) Kingdom of Ansteorra (Texas and part of Oklahoma) - --- Jane wrote: > > Dear Fellow Scribes, > > Please forgive me for the delay in introducing myself. > > My name is Jane Boykin. I live in Canton, Georgia - a town about 40 miles > north of Atlanta. > > I have been practicing the art of calligraphy for about 25 years now. I enjoy > all aspects of the letttering arts. My latest completed projects have been > illuminations Though I tend toward the more traditional forms I also have > experimented with more contemporary forms of the art. > > A full-time wife & mother, I have on occaision been paid for my calligraphy. > > I have an interest in the SCA and have been surfing those related sites.I am > a life-long history buff., with a particular interest in Classical, Medieval, > & Renaissance history. My father was a Medievalist - so I guess I inherited > the interest. > > I grabbed the name "Iona Stylus" because I though it made a clever e-mail > address & expressed my interest in calligraphy. :) > > Now that I've been reading the SCA sights I feel the need to choose a proper > Medieval name. What a project that could be!!! Decisions, decisions... Where > to start? > > In the meantime... > > Best Regards! > > Jane Boykin > > Canton, GA > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:41:43 GMT From: "Judith Taylor" Subject: [scribes]: Re: : introduction Hi Jane, Welcome to the list! Allow me to introduce myself, I am Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle (pronounced: Fin-chick du Lock-eel). Mundanely (i.e. the 'real' world) I am Judith Taylor, Director of Information Systems for the Appalachian Community Visiting Nurse Association located in Athens, OH. :) As for a 'more Medieval' name....where does your interest lie? What time period, what country? Once you have chosen a region, then you can work on developing a name for your persona. Perhaps you can make a decision of where you want to be from based on a favored style of calligraphy or illumination. For instance, my persona is a Scotswoman currently residing in an Abbey in (what is now Northern France) the Duchy of Brittagne towards the end of the 13th century...a few years prior to Philip's massacre of the Templars... If I can be of service, please feel free to contact me. Your servant, Sister Fionnseach ~=Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle=~ Not to have, but to give Chronicler/Web - Shire of Dernehealde Not to take, but to receive Combat Scribe - Barony Middle Marches Pursuivant-at-Large - Middle Kingdom Protege to Master Brusten de Bearsul =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:17:26 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: introduction This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C255B8.822B1480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm Greetings and welcome to the list, Jane. On picking a proper name... first I would suggest you decide on a = country and possible time period. That will make it a little easier in = the long run. The SCA Heralds don't like people to pick multinational = name combinations, unless it is VERY well documented as accurate for the = time and place you select. You are not forced to forever portray the = period of name you select, but for its formalization and SCA = authorization, it is fairly important. We always welcome experienced calligraphers, no matter if that = experience is Medieval or mundane. There are many web sites you can = visit to get further inspiration for following the Medieval way of C&I. = Most you can find by doing a simple search in Yahoo or Google using = "Medieval Manuscripts." I don't have my links page up on my own web = site, or I'd say go there. =20 Start at: http://www.georgetown.edu/labyrinth/subjects/mss/mss.html and then go to: http://scribe.atlantia.sca.org/ Eventually, you will find lots and lots more of the SCA scribal pages. = You have obviously already found a few of them, so you have a good = start. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com - ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C255B8.822B1480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warm Greetings and = welcome to=20 the list, Jane.
 
On picking a = proper name...=20 first I would suggest you decide on a country and possible time = period. =20 That will make it a little easier in the long run.  The SCA Heralds = don't=20 like people to pick multinational name combinations, unless it is VERY = well=20 documented as accurate for the time and place you select.  You are = not=20 forced to forever portray the period of name you select, but for its=20 formalization and SCA authorization, it is fairly = important.
 
We always welcome = experienced=20 calligraphers, no matter if that experience is Medieval or = mundane.  There=20 are many web sites you can visit to get further inspiration for = following the=20 Medieval way of C&I.  Most you can find by doing a simple = search in=20 Yahoo or Google using "Medieval Manuscripts."  I don't have my = links page=20 up on my own web site, or I'd say go there. 
 
Start = at:
 
http:/= /www.georgetown.edu/labyrinth/subjects/mss/mss.html
 
and then go = to:  http://scribe.atlantia.sca.org/<= /A>
 
Eventually, you = will find lots=20 and lots more of the SCA scribal pages.  You have obviously already = found a=20 few of them, so you have a good start.
 
 
Meisterin Katarina = Helene von=20 Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
Middle=20 Kingdom
http://meisterin.ka= tarina.home.insightbb.com
- ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C255B8.822B1480-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: introduction Welcome to the list, Jane. You wrote, > I grabbed the name "Iona Stylus" because I though it made a clever e-mail > address & expressed my interest in calligraphy. :) I like it! :) > Now that I've been reading the SCA sights I feel the need to choose a proper > Medieval name. What a project that could be!!! Decisions, decisions... Where > to start? [Was that a rhetorical question? In case it wasn't...] Well, try the Medieval Names Archive to start with: http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/ If you have specific questions, you can post them on the Rialto, a.k.a. the SCA newsgroup (rec.org.sca): http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=rec.org.sca You could also search the archives of the Academy of Saint Gabriel: http://www.s-gabriel.org/ (Not to be confused with the Gabriel Guild, who are scribal vendors at Pennsic.) Have fun searching, Martha Darach, Caid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:59:31 -0400 From: Sally Burnell Subject: Re: [scribes]: introduction Welcome, Jane! You'll find scribes of all levels of experience and expertise here! Some are strictly calligraphers, some just illuminators, most of us do both. Some are rank beginners, some have more intermediate experience, and some are downright experts in their fields! So you'll find us to be a great mixed bag of people who love their craft and love sharing it with others! This is a great place to come and pick the collective brains of the good folks here. There have been times when I was just plain-out stumped about something and I could send out a query on this list, and BINGO! Someone's got the answer! Or sometimes I've needed help documenting something and someone's got just the source I need! It's been a great boon and help to me in my journey as a scribe. And I think you'll find it to be much the same for you, too. We're so glad to have you aboard and look forward to your sharing what you know with us, and we'll gladly do the same for you! May your journey as a scribe be a fulfilling one as mine has! Oh, and as for a name.....well, what time period are you interested in? Country? Type of persona? A little research and you'd be amazed at what you can come up with, but heck, don't worry about rushing into that. Take your time and have fun exploring! So in the meantime, welcome! Glad to make your acquaintance! ~THLady Saradwen Ariandalen, Kent, OH and Kent State alumnus (B.A. '79) Marche of Gwyntarian (Akron/Kent, OH) Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:48:21 EDT From: Cpccohen@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Hi I'm new - --part1_19c.83e4aa9.2aac3095_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'm new. I'm just about to enter into the University of Chicago, and I've been doing calligraphy since seventh grade. My bible is Marc Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy: Its History and Technique, but I couldn't illuminate or illustrate if my life depended on it. I have no society name or branch (but in elementary school I played Dungeons and Dragons under the name Caspian Jordan) and am known by one and all as Clara Cohen, soon to be of Hyde Park, Chicago. Is this list still active? The most recent date I've come across in connection to it is December, 2001. - --part1_19c.83e4aa9.2aac3095_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I'm new. I'm just about to enter into the University of Chicago, and I've been doing calligraphy since seventh grade. My bible is Marc Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy: Its History and Technique, but I couldn't illuminate or illustrate if my life depended on it. I have no society name or branch (but in elementary school I played Dungeons and Dragons under the name Caspian Jordan) and am known by one and all as Clara Cohen, soon to be of Hyde Park, Chicago.
      Is this list still active? The most recent date I've come across in connection to it is December, 2001. - --part1_19c.83e4aa9.2aac3095_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 08:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Hi I'm new On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 Cpccohen@aol.com wrote: > Hi! I'm new. I'm just about to enter into the University of > Chicago, and I've been doing calligraphy since seventh grade. > My bible is Marc Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy: Its History > and Technique, but I couldn't illuminate or illustrate if my > life depended on it. I have no society name or branch (but in > elementary school I played Dungeons and Dragons under the > name Caspian Jordan) and am known by one and all as Clara > Cohen, soon to be of Hyde Park, Chicago. Your message doesn't give your name -- how do we address you? > Is this list still active? The most recent date I've > come across in connection to it is December, 2001. Oh, yes, this list is definitely active. ;-) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:43:48 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Hi I'm new This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C25756.E7BCA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Clara Cohen (no SCA name yet): Welcome to the list. Don't worry that you cannot do illumination, we = always need more calligraphers!! You might want to consider adding "The = Art of Calligraphy," by David Harris to your calligraphy library. It = has lots of good information in it, and is all in color (which Drogin's = isn't). You can find it in almost any book store... or they can order = it for you. Chicago is a wonderful place for scribes. Find out where the Newberry = Library is (go to http://www.newberry.org) and go for a visit. They = have a lot of Medieval manuscripts in their Rare Book Room that anyone = can view. Really gets one fired up when you get inspiration from the = real thing . The list is usually more active than this, but there has been good and = regular activity far past the Dec. 2001 date you mentioned. I guess = just not archived. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C25756.E7BCA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Clara Cohen = (no SCA name=20 yet):
 
Welcome to the = list. =20 Don't worry that you cannot do illumination, we always need more=20 calligraphers!!  You might want to consider adding "The Art of=20 Calligraphy," by David Harris to your calligraphy library.  It = has=20 lots of good information in it, and is all in color (which Drogin's=20 isn't).  You can find it in almost any book store... or they can = order it=20 for you.
 
Chicago is a = wonderful place=20 for scribes.  Find out where the Newberry Library is (go to http://www.newberry.org) and go for = a=20 visit.  They have a lot of Medieval manuscripts in their Rare Book = Room=20 that anyone can view.  Really gets one fired up when you get = inspiration=20 from the real thing <smile>.
 
The list is = usually more=20 active than this, but there has been good and regular activity far past = the Dec.=20 2001 date you mentioned.  I guess just not archived.
 
Meisterin Katarina = Helene von=20 Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
Middle=20 Kingdom
http://meisterin.ka= tarina.home.insightbb.com
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