From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #50 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, September 6 2002 Volume 08 : Number 050 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: gold leaf, squashed bugs and other cosmic mysteries Re: [scribes]: Schoyen Manuscript collection [scribes]: Speaking of the Scribal Class [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... Re: [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... Re: [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... [scribes]: Some things I have learned [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: silver question Re: [scribes]: Calligraphy page [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:47:24 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf, squashed bugs and other cosmic mysteries - --part1_d8.1d0971b4.2aa6176c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never personally really liked the look of squashed bug, so up until now I've never tried it. I have a backlog Laurel scroll to do and the recipient requested something to match her persona. I was able to locate a Spanish GoA from 1452 that will work well. It is a mix of squashed bug and Italian trompe l'oeil. It's an odd exemplar - I've never seen anything like it.... and looks like a lot of fun to do, so I started doing some research on squashed bug. After spending many hours looking at pictures and trying to figure out how it was done, and realizing I wasn't getting much out of books .... I went to the Cleveland Museum of Art and looked at a real piece.... _The Hours of Queen Isabella the Catholic_ The background is painted in yellow ochre and the shadows look like burnt umber. Many of the shadows were just a series of thin brush strokes - similar to cross hatching, some were more blended. Shell gold was painted on top of the background in very short strokes (at most 1 mm long) with a super fine brush. The strokes do not touch. Where there is more highlight on the page, the strokes of gold are closer together. In the shadows there was just a spattering of strokes. I took some pictures, which didn't show the technique very well when I got them developed. However I was able to purchase 3 postcards from the gift shop that do show it fairly well. Like most things scribal ... it sounds as if there are several techniques for doing squashed bug. I'd suggest trying a couple different ways of doing it in smaller practice pieces and see which one works best for you ... unless you are working from a clear exemplar and want to make it authentic to the X degree. Best of luck Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon AEthelmearc - --part1_d8.1d0971b4.2aa6176c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never personally really liked the look of squashed bug, so up until now I've never tried it. I have a backlog Laurel scroll to do and the recipient requested something to match her persona. I was able to locate a Spanish GoA from 1452 that will work well. It is a mix of squashed bug and Italian trompe l'oeil. It's an odd exemplar - I've never seen anything like it.... and looks like a lot of fun to do, so I started doing some research on squashed bug.

After spending many hours looking at pictures and trying to figure out how it was done, and realizing I wasn't getting much out of books .... I went to the Cleveland Museum of Art and looked at a real piece.... _The Hours of Queen Isabella the Catholic_

The background is painted in yellow ochre and the shadows look like burnt umber. Many of the shadows were just a series of thin brush strokes - similar to cross hatching, some were more blended. Shell gold was painted on top of the background in very short strokes (at most 1 mm long) with a super fine brush. The strokes do not touch. Where there is more highlight on the page, the strokes of gold are closer together. In the shadows there was just a spattering of strokes. I took some pictures, which didn't show the technique very well when I got them developed. However I was able to purchase 3 postcards from the gift shop that do show it fairly well.

Like most things scribal ... it sounds as if there are several techniques for doing squashed bug. I'd suggest trying a couple different ways of doing it in smaller practice pieces and see which one works best for you ... unless you are working from a clear exemplar and want to make it authentic to the X degree.

Best of luck
Yvianne de Castel d'Avignon
AEthelmearc - --part1_d8.1d0971b4.2aa6176c_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:54:13 -0100 From: alienor Subject: Re: [scribes]: Schoyen Manuscript collection Good morning, Irene (or is it "Good Night...nevermind...) Lyle is exactly correct. What you are pointing to is the headband/endband. You will find them on contemporary sewn books. We could have added them to the book, but we stopped at the bookboards, due mostly to time constraints. The addition of headbands would definitely add stability to the book and about two hours to the class. :-) By the way, the book you are looking at in the picture is Syrian and pre-dates our exemplar by about 500 years. The information I have indicates that it also predates the use of a sewing frame. Also Meisterin Katarina mentioned The Archeology of Medieval Bookbinding, which is the source for the stitching pattern part of the handout from the class. She is correct that this is a wonderful source, but pricey to buy. I know that Bucknell College in Lewisburg, PA has a copy which should be available on ILL unless one of our shire members has it out on loan at the moment. One other thing--I was only one of the teachers for the class. It was really the class organized by the Scribes of AEthelmearc. I don't want to give the impression that I was anything more than one of the people who was asked to teach. Lady Roberta McMorland (sp?) was the person in charge and the one who chose the topic and organized the class. :-) Alienor =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:17:26 -0100 From: alienor Subject: [scribes]: Speaking of the Scribal Class I apologize for using bandwidth, but could those folks on the list who did take the Advanced Scribal Tract please contact me off the list. I have the knot handout, but cannot find my list of names and addresses :-( Thank you, Alienor =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:07:00 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... - --part1_10.245d9517.2aa65444_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you to Alienor and Meisterin Katarina for the information on the Archeology of Medieval Bookbinding.. you are right. This book is EXPENSIVE! I found prices between $139 to $190 on the web! Gratefully, I am going to the library to get it out on the ILL. All of Fairfax county libraries (nearly 1 million people) does not have such a book! So... this brings me to my next question. I've tried to find a not quite so authentic, but cost effective substitute for this book. I have found the following candidates.... Can anyone recommend any of these books? This one seems to have relevant illustrations on the cover.... The ABCs of Leather Bookbinding http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1584560266/reader/1 /ref=lib_dp_TFCV/104-7296566-8648740#reader-link or Bookbinding: Its Background and Technique by Edith Diehl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486240207/qid=1031074071/sr=1-5 /ref=sr_1_5/104-7296566-8648740?v=glance&s=books#product-details or.. The British Library Guide to Bookbinding: History and Techniques by P. J. M. Marks http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0802081762/reader/1 /ref=lib_dp_TFCV/104-7296566-8648740#reader-link - --part1_10.245d9517.2aa65444_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you to Alienor and Meisterin Katarina  for the information on the Archeology of Medieval Bookbinding.. you are right.  This book is EXPENSIVE!  I found prices between $139 to $190 on the web!

Gratefully, I am going to the library to get it out on the ILL.  All of Fairfax county libraries (nearly 1 million people) does not have such a book!

So... this brings me to my next question.  I've tried to find a not quite so authentic, but cost effective substitute for this book.  I have found the following candidates.... Can anyone recommend any of these books? 

This one seems to have relevant illustrations on the cover....
The ABCs of Leather Bookbinding
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1584560266/reader/1/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/104-7296566-8648740#reader-link

or
Bookbinding: Its Background and Technique
by Edith Diehl
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486240207/qid=1031074071/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/104-7296566-8648740?v=glance&s=books#product-details

or..
The British Library Guide to Bookbinding: History and Techniques
by P. J. M. Marks
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0802081762/reader/1/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/104-7296566-8648740#reader-link





 - --part1_10.245d9517.2aa65444_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:30:16 -0100 From: alienor Subject: Re: [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... I doubt any book will come close to the amount of information contained in Szirmai's book. It is an expansion of his doctorial work, I believe and is quite technical--really more technical than we need be to approximate what was done in period. The third of the books you mentioned is in my library. The first two are not, so I don't know how good they are. For those who are interested, the following is a list of the references used for the class: The History of Bookbinding Technique and Design, edited by Huttner, Sidney F. New York and London, 1991. ISBN 0-8240-4014-7 Johnson, Arthur W., The Thames and Hudson Manual of Book Binding. London: Thames and Hudson, 1978. ISBN 0-500-68011-6 Leaves of Gold: Manuscript Illumination from Philadelphia Collections, edited by James R. Tanis with the assistance of Jennifer A. Thompson. Philadelphia, Philadelphia Museum of Art, 2001. ISBN 0-87633-144-4 Marks, P.J.M., The British Library Guide to Bookbinding History and Techniques. Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1998. ISBN 0-8020-8176-2 Rosari, Paola, Bookbinding Basics. New York: Sterling Publishing Co., Inc., 2001. ISBN 0-8069-7939-9 Swain, Gwenyth, Bookworks, Making Books by Hand. Minneapolis: Carolrhoda Books, Inc., 1995. ISBN 0-87614-858-5 Szirmai, J. A., The Archaeology of Medieval Bookbinding. Aldershot, Hampshire, and Brookfield, VT: Ashgate, 1988. ISBN 0-85967-904-7 Cheers, Alienor =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:16:16 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: on bookbinding and such... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C2537E.601D1AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have "ABC of Bookbinding" by Jane Greenfield (which is mostly a = glossary type book, but it also shows some construction pictures); The = Dover "Hand Bookbinding"; "Pictorial Bookbindings" by Mirjam Foot; the = Edith Diehl book; and one called "The Thames and Hudson Manual of Book = Binding" by Arthur W. Johnson (which seems concerned mostly with more = modern book construction). I guess I was lucky, I got my Archeology = book for $149.50 on-line from Amazon (I think). I think I also have the = one from the British Library, but couldn't find it in the 10 minutes I = searched through my personal library. Ms. Diehl's book looks really interesting, but I have to admit I've not = read much in it... it is a fairly recent purchase. I also have a copy = of the third volume of Non-Adhesive Bookbinding... which I was quite = surprised to see was done in the Middle Ages!! Loads of fun to make, = with oddly intricate stitching setups... not so much knots as where the = holes are set for the in and out stitching that shows along the outside = of the spine. Meisterin Katarina Helene - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C2537E.601D1AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have "ABC of = Bookbinding" by=20 Jane Greenfield (which is mostly a glossary type book, but it also shows = some=20 construction pictures); The Dover "Hand Bookbinding"; "Pictorial = Bookbindings"=20 by Mirjam Foot; the Edith Diehl book; and one called "The Thames and = Hudson=20 Manual of Book Binding" by Arthur W. Johnson (which seems concerned = mostly with=20 more modern book construction).  I guess I was lucky, I got my = Archeology=20 book for $149.50 on-line from Amazon (I think).  I think I also = have the=20 one from the British Library, but couldn't find it in the 10 minutes I = searched=20 through my personal library.
 
Ms. Diehl's book = looks really=20 interesting, but I have to admit I've not read much in it... it is a = fairly=20 recent purchase.  I also have a copy of the third volume of = Non-Adhesive=20 Bookbinding... which I was quite surprised to see was done in the Middle = Ages!!  Loads of fun to make, with oddly intricate stitching = setups... not=20 so much knots as where the holes are set for the in and out stitching = that shows=20 along the outside of the spine.
 
Meisterin Katarina = Helene


 - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C2537E.601D1AA0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:27:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: [scribes]: Some things I have learned I have just finished, or mostly finished, a scroll for a friend of mine, and I wanted to share some of the things that I have learned on this project: 1. God (or other appropriate deity) created sports bottles for the faithful, so that they may not have cause to kill their cats for having knocked a beverage over onto a partially completed scroll. One cannot go against the will of God (or other appropriate deity). [The carpet will dry--it was just water. The scroll would not have fared half as well.] 2. Early Gothic isn't quite as hard as I remembered it being. I just keep repeating "pointy bits, curves. pointy bits, curves" to myself, over and over... 3. It is not immoral or indeed unethical to have the recipient of the scroll help you with the illumination by printing out a digital picture of a manuscript so you can trace it. 4. Pergamenata is the tool of the anti-christ (or perhaps the anti-Elvis), because it WILL NOT LAY FLAT. At all. It is, however, easy to make corrections on and to trace through, which is probably part of its evil plan for world domination. 5. When you are using an ink (in this case, walnut) that has very heavy particles that settle out quickly, requiring you to rotate the bottle again before dipping the nib to continue outlining, remember to check that the cap is *securely* tightened before turning the bottle upside down. One would think I'd learned from the mustard incident... 6. People reading books with titles like _Painted Prayers_ get funny looks in hospital waiting rooms. Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:29:43 -0500 From: "Melaena" Subject: [scribes]: silver question So I'm making a scroll, well, "made" really, it's almost done, that has what would have been silver leaf (shell silver? Is there such a thing?) on the original. Rather, there are fine gold swirly lines and fine BLACK swirly lines. Although I can accept that the gold swirls are supposed to be on the black and dark blue paint, I cannot accept it of the black swirls. Therefore I am choosing to believe these fine black lines on black, and navy blue background, are tarnished silver. Here's my problem: I don't have silver leaf or silver paint. I used gold leaf for the large bits on the scroll and gold paint for the swirly bits (the colours were pretty close) but I don't know what to use for the silver. I have some silver ink but frankly it's crap; almost translucent. I tried mixing it with white paint but that just makes, well, white paint with very faint sparkles. I looked hopefully for W and N gouache in silver (after all, they make gold) and can't find it anywhere. So the scroll has been on my table for a LONG time and it's almost done and I really want to send it off. In my folly I am considering using acrylic silver ink, after all it's not like I need to do any shading with it. The local art store does carry this (unlike silver in gouache or watercolour). Before I buy a tube of this stuff, can anyone recommend a better alternative? What does everybody else use? Desperate in Montengarde, Margareta vanden Velde Avacal, An Tir mka Calgary AB - --------------------------------------------------------------- Gules, three sparks inverted and a bordure engrailed Or. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:33:37 -0400 From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question Hello Margareta, I use W&N Silver ink and I get very good coverage with it. :-) Tzitzakion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melaena" To: "Scribes' list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: [scribes]: silver question > So I'm making a scroll, well, "made" really, it's almost done, that has > what would have been silver leaf (shell silver? Is there such a thing?) on > the original. Rather, there are fine gold swirly lines and fine BLACK > swirly lines. Although I can accept that the gold swirls are supposed to be > on the black and dark blue paint, I cannot accept it of the black swirls. > Therefore I am choosing to believe these fine black lines on black, and navy > blue background, are tarnished silver. > > Here's my problem: I don't have silver leaf or silver paint. I used > gold leaf for the large bits on the scroll and gold paint for the swirly > bits (the colours were pretty close) but I don't know what to use for the > silver. I have some silver ink but frankly it's crap; almost translucent. > I tried mixing it with white paint but that just makes, well, white paint > with very faint sparkles. I looked hopefully for W and N gouache in silver > (after all, they make gold) and can't find it anywhere. > > So the scroll has been on my table for a LONG time and it's almost done > and I really want to send it off. In my folly I am considering using > acrylic silver ink, after all it's not like I need to do any shading with > it. The local art store does carry this (unlike silver in gouache or > watercolour). > > Before I buy a tube of this stuff, can anyone recommend a better > alternative? What does everybody else use? > > > Desperate in Montengarde, > Margareta vanden Velde > > > Avacal, An Tir mka Calgary AB > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Gules, three sparks inverted and a bordure engrailed Or. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:17:33 -0700 From: Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:29:43 -0500 Melaena wrote: > Here's my problem: I don't have silver leaf > or silver paint. I don't recommend real silver leaf, as it will tarnish. I've used aluminum leaf in the past, and it looks nice. I got it at the local art store in one of those cheap Old World Arts packets (like the cheap fake gold leaf). Branwen ferch Emrys =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:12:42 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question > Before I buy a tube of this stuff, can anyone recommend a better >alternative? What does everybody else use? Do an internet search for it - many stores carry it and you could get the W&N through someone off the web delivered to your door. You can also get silver leaf that way. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:47:19 -0700 From: Maria faul Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question Melaena wrote: > > So I'm making a scroll, well, "made" really, it's almost done, that has > what would have been silver leaf (shell silver? Is there such a thing?) on > the original. Rather, there are fine gold swirly lines and fine BLACK > swirly lines. Although I can accept that the gold swirls are supposed to be > on the black and dark blue paint, I cannot accept it of the black swirls. > Therefore I am choosing to believe these fine black lines on black, and navy > blue background, are tarnished silver. > > Here's my problem: I don't have silver leaf or silver paint. I used > gold leaf for the large bits on the scroll and gold paint for the swirly > bits (the colours were pretty close) but I don't know what to use for the > silver. I have some silver ink but frankly it's crap; almost translucent. > I tried mixing it with white paint but that just makes, well, white paint > with very faint sparkles. I looked hopefully for W and N gouache in silver > (after all, they make gold) and can't find it anywhere. > > So the scroll has been on my table for a LONG time and it's almost done > and I really want to send it off. In my folly I am considering using > acrylic silver ink, after all it's not like I need to do any shading with > it. The local art store does carry this (unlike silver in gouache or > watercolour). > > Before I buy a tube of this stuff, can anyone recommend a better > alternative? What does everybody else use? If you plan on doing silver or aluminum you may want to do a trial run on a sample that you have painted to see if the silver or aluminum sticks to the paint. I know that if you try and apply gold leaf to a scroll you have already painted the gold leaf has been known to stick to the gouache. I have a tube of Winsor & Newton Disigner Gouache Silver (imitation) which being imitation may not tarnish. The tube cost me $10.19. But I can't remember when I bought it. I may have been at Flax when we had a flax in Sunnyvale, CA. or it may have been at University Art in San Jose, CA. Hope this helps you in your endeavor to complete your scroll which I'm sure is quite lovely!! Maria del Norte, Mists, West Maria Faul > > Desperate in Montengarde, > Margareta vanden Velde > > Avacal, An Tir mka Calgary AB > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Gules, three sparks inverted and a bordure engrailed Or. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:45:53 -0500 From: "Pafra & Scott Catledge" Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question Few would recommend real silver leaf for the reason that Branwen specified; however, real platinum leaf is a very nice substitute and does not look aluminumy. Colm Dubh - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:29:43 -0500 Melaena wrote: > > > Here's my problem: I don't have silver leaf > > or silver paint. > > I don't recommend real silver leaf, as it will > tarnish. I've used aluminum leaf in the past, > and it looks nice. I got it at the local art > store in one of those cheap Old World Arts packets > (like the cheap fake gold leaf). > > Branwen ferch Emrys > ============================================================ ======= > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:33:50 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver question The tarnish is a good point, unless you were to paint a medium over it, even a spray fixative might alleviate the problem. At any rate, the guoaches below are imitation... Cheap Joes is one of my favorite mail order art suppliers. They have wonderful brushes, and they kind of cater to watercolorists and painters. Here's their W&N Silver guoache. If you order from them, you'll get their catalog (also downloadable as a PDF) which is both fun and full of eye candy! http://www.cheapjoescatalog.com/catalog/products.asp?id=32&pid=6&ppid=1&page=3 Daler Rowney also has silver guoache. http://www.daler-rowney.co.uk/cat/watercol/2_17.html =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:18:04 -0400 From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [scribes]: Calligraphy page His stuff is just exquisite!!! Thank you for sharing!!! Tzitzakion > hi > > Check out this website by artist Josep Batlle, reproductions of > period Spanish manuscripts. Try not to drool on the keyboard... > http://www.caligrafies.com/english/index.php > > as ever > > Thorfinn > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:16:20 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: a newbie enters a competition. Greetings, fellow scribes. Alright, I'm going to go fer it... I'm going to work on a scroll for the novice award of the Crown tourney. However, we are talking about the penultimate novice here. I've never even SEEN an A&S exhibit before. So, here's my question(s). What do people do to exhibit their work? I'm sure they don't just slap it on a table... do they have an opinions and suggestions notebook? What do they want in 'documentation'..? are they only interested in historical facts, or are they interested in the process (what if it's not particularly related to recreating the historical process?). Do they require anything to be in the documentation, such as materials)? Does documentation usually come in a certain format, or is it like a science fair, with all manner of large and small 'bulletin board' styles? How much is it valued? Is it a nice to have that is given a quick glance, or more seriously considered? I'm asking because I can really blab once I get writing (as you guys have probably guessed by now :^ ) Oh, and by the way... why is the sky blue, anyway? I.S. Irene =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #50 ****************************