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scribes digest        Saturday, August 31 2002        Volume 08 : Number 048



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 Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt
 Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt
 Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt
 Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt
 [scribes]: Pennsic Scribe Pictures
 [scribes]: Questions

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:53:40 -0700
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt

>>I've agreed to calligraph a 2 page illumination in progress. It is based on
Phoebus' Book of the Hunt. I don't have a full copy of the manuscript but I do
have _Medieval Hunting Scenes_. One of the pages I need to calligraph is the
first one shown in _Medieval Hunting Scenes_  (Gaston Phoebus surrounded by
hunters....
fol. 13 )     which means I have what I need to calligraph that page, but the
second page is a bit different and it's the one that I don't have an exemplar
for. The border work is similar to the first one, but the miniature is at the
bottom of the page. Can someone point me to an online graphic or give me a
written description of the layout of the calligraphy? What I'm mainly looking
for is if it is all in plain text or if there are also versals, rubrication or
line fillers.<<

I have the complete facsimile (unfortunately, not here at the office) but I seem
to recall that the pages without the miniatures are plain text, no versals or
rubrication.  Don't recall about the line fillers, but I don't think there were
any.  I actually scanned a copy of one of the chapters for someone here on the
list back in December as she was doing it for a Xmas present for her dad.  Maybe
she's still got those scans handy and can send them to you (I don't remember who
on the list it was).  I'll try to double check again tonight when I get home.

Tetchubah


Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.


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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:50:51 -0500
From: "Helen Schultz" <helen.schultz@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt

You are correct, Tetchubah, there are no line enders or even capital letters on
the text only pages.... it seems to be one VERY LONG sentence <giggle>.

On the pages with the miniatures, there is one very large 8-line illuminated
capital.  And the only rubication I could see throughout the facsimile was
usually one or two lines below a miniature and just above the illuminated
capital.  There are a few pages that have the ivy work border and just an
illuminated capital (meaning, no miniature).  However, things change around the
122nd page of the manuscript... suddenly, the style of illumination changes to
include some 4-petal flowers, and the versals on every (and I mean every single
one) sentence are decorated (just the one line height).  There are one or two
3-line versals (these have the abbreviated vine work on them), and there are a
couple bar type line enders... usually in red/gold/blue/gold/red with whitework
inside -- some longer than others, depending upon the amount of "white" space at
the end of the paragraph.

I hope this helps you a bit more.

Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
Middle Kingdom
http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com



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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:56:52 -0500
From: "Helen Schultz" <helen.schultz@insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt

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By the way... I just looked again at the facsimile... that first page is =
the only page with a fully surrounding ivy border... all the other =
illuminated pages have it only along one long edge and the top and =
bottom.... except for those odd pages after the 122nd one, where the =
illuminated capital (a 3-liner) has ivy/vine work that extends only =
about 8 lines or so in either direction from the capital.

So, Yvianne, I can scan these pages for you if you'd like.

Katarina Helene

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:17:11 +1000
From: Steve Roylance <roylance@corplink.com.au>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy in Phoebus' Book of the Hunt

hi

Codices illustres has the book (p264-266) including the whole of folio 
93 recto (The start of chapter 52 on bears)

Vine leaf border down the left side with a solid gilded bar the vine 
leaf comes half way across the page in the top and bottom border.

A line of rubricated script below the miniture (takes about half the 
page) an illuminated Majiscule 7 lines high then script.

as ever

Thorfinn
Lochac
Australia

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:33:10 EDT
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribe Pictures

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OK... I've got the pics scanned.
Now... who do I send these to? (Sent copies to Alex the Lost's Pennsic pages 
too, tonight).

- --Kayleigh

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:43:58 -0400
From: Fionnseach du Lochielle <judi@frognet.net>
Subject: [scribes]: Questions

Greetings fellow scribes (and apologies to those who get multiple copies of this):

I have a couple of questions.....

In the effort to further my skills in the scribal arts, I have acquired an ounce of finely ground sandarac and am learning to use it. The reason being that I want to get back to using a dip pen (as opposed to painting my letters)...the paper I'm using is a bristol vellum. Now, I'm trying two things here - going back to dip pens, and using the sandarac.

My questions are regarding the sandarac. Which is the best way to apply it? Before or after having pencilled in my writing lines? Also, how do you know if you have enough sandarac on the page?

Ever scribing,
   Sister Fionnseach
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