From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #43 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, August 21 2002 Volume 08 : Number 043 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... (fwd) RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Viking exhibit Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... [scribes]: Newbie Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... (fwd) [scribes]: Cool Roman numeral and date conversion site! [scribes]: non-paper scroll competition... Re: [scribes]: Newbie [none] Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... [scribes]: Cyrillic, please ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Troy Subject: RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... - --- freewaydiva <fwydiva@telusplanet.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > ....does anyone have any particular preference to > Viking style scrolls that > they'd be willing to share? > > Aside from the standard "take an element of Norse > art and do the text in > runes, and damn the authenticity factor' > method...which is pleasing to many, > by the way, and can suit many a purpose... <snip> Ditto, but in a field in Höör in Southern Sweden, the once traditional site for the Drachenwald Double Wars, there stands a small Rune stone. I don't remember what it was given for though or to whom. Any older Drachenwalders on the list that knows? Anna de Byxe ===== "So many books, so little time." "Anna's Crafts Links Page" has MOVED to: http://www.angelfire.com/retro/crafts __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:42:30 -0400 From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C24825.85518FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've seen scrolls carved in stone or a simulated stone. My older = daughter received her AoA and it is a painting of a stone with runes = carved in to it. I'll try to remember to scan it for anyone who wants = to see it. =20 I'm curious to hear of what others have done. :-) Tzitzakion ....does anyone have any particular preference to Viking style scrolls = that they'd be willing to share?=20 --Kayleigh=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C24825.85518FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've seen scrolls carved in stone or a = simulated=20 stone. My older daughter received her AoA and it is a painting of = a stone=20 with runes carved in to it. I'll try to remember to scan it for = anyone who=20 wants to see it.

I'm curious to hear of what others have = done. =20 :-)

Tzitzakion

....does anyone have any particular = preference to Viking=20 style scrolls that they'd be willing to share? =

--Kayleigh=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C24825.85518FE0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... (fwd) Dear Kayleigh, I have two comments on Viking scrolls. First, I have heard of early Russian documents (prior to 1200?) written on birch bark, that have been preserved. These are exclusively letters, not legal documents or such as our scroll wordings are meant to duplicate, so they are not fancy either in language or in decoration. However, for northeast Europe and Russian personas, they offer a change in format. Second, I take the view that Viking scrolls are a sort of philosophical problem. How would one have commemorated the deeds or art of a person in a culture with no (surviving) written documents? (Runestones are tough to call documents.) The answer is obvious: they wrote poetry about them. So I tend to make a scroll for a Viking persona using Scandinavian designs from a later period, but with a formula from the sagas: "There once was a man called Njall, strong and brave, faithful to his friends and careful in his choice of them. He organized several feasts and tournaments in the Shire of Snigafell, and his repute grew such that (King and Queen), King and Queen of the (Kingdom), awarded him these arms:" etc. Of course, you could always carve a runestone. It's been done. - -- Johannes "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:49:41 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... At 11:44 PM 8/19/2002 -0600, freewaydiva wrote: >Also, one of our Beloved Dukes of An Tir (His Grace Dak, IIRC) received >either his Ducal or his Chivalry scroll carved into stone (which took, so >it is rumoured, four of our largest knights to haul the thing into court - >and our large knights are pretty burly). And a friend recently submitted >a sponsorship request on plaster of Paris 'stone' with carved text and >picture stone artwork, which was well received. Duke Ragnvaldr and Duchess Arabella of the Middle Kingdom recieved both their County and Ducal scrolls as carved in stone runic rocks. They were tres cool! Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Booth Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Greetings! Mistress Gunnora Hallakarva, the "Viking Answer Lady", has a website: http://www.vikinganswerlady.org This website has lots of wonderful information and has been of great help to me when creating scrolls for people with Viking personas. - -- Suzanne HL Suzanne de la Ferté Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra - --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > ....does anyone have any particular preference to Viking style scrolls that > they'd be willing to share? > > --Kayleigh > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:28:02 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... >>There was some discussion at our Investiture event this weekend about how groovy it would be for a Viking reign (which is nearly *all* of ours here in Avacal) to hand out awards carved as rune staves. I figure, if the stick was big enough in diameter, and the recipient didn't go play Hurley with it after court, one of the ends could be flattened enough and wide enough to hold the seal reasonably well (or figure out some way to carve the seal into the stick), and it would be far more authentic than a scroll or charter.<< I think what I'd do with something like that is drill a hole in the stick, and suspend the seal from a ribbon or handspun yarn going thru the hole. Sort of a like a pendant seal that you see on medieval scrolls. >>Also, one of our Beloved Dukes of An Tir (His Grace Dak, IIRC) received either his Ducal or his Chivalry scroll carved into stone (which took, so it is rumoured, four of our largest knights to haul the thing into court - and our large knights are pretty burly). And a friend recently submitted a sponsorship request on plaster of Paris 'stone' with carved text and picture stone artwork, which was well received.<< One of our scribes did a "runestone" scroll for Master Thoron that was in the shape of a carved stone and *looked* like carved stone, complete with lichen, for his Laurel scroll. It was way cool and a lot lighte than the actual would have been, I suspect. Lovely piece of trompe l'oiel. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... - --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > ....does anyone have any particular preference to Viking style scrolls > that they'd be willing to share? > --Kayleigh > In addition to the website that Lady Suzanne mentioned by Mistress Gunnora on the 'Viking Answer Lady', I would offer several other suggestions: Last fall, Houston was fortunate enough to have seen the Smithsonian exhibit on Viking culture. If you get the chance to see it, do!! It was fabulous, showing costuming, metalwork, tools, woodwork, and two or three illuminated manuscript books (how I dearly wanted them to turn the pages). The exhibit is currently in Ottawa till Oct. 14, then onto Minn./St.Paul till May 2003. A website on the exhibit is: http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/start.html I was rather surprised by the 'viking' illuminated books, and came to find out that the culture had quite a large language and vocabulary, these particular examples in Icelandic. One of the books in the exhibit came from the Árni Magnússon Institute, where manuscripts were collected back to the 1100's, and I found some links to a few pages of Icelandic manuscripts, recently returned to Iceland from the Danish Parliment: http://www.randburg.com/is/am.html (two illuminations from Árni Magnússon Institute) http://www.am.hi.is/e_enska_.htm (a synopsis on the Arni Magnusson Institute history - no pics) http://www.kb.dk/elib/index-en.htm (Det Kongelige Bibliotek - an electronic manuscript library from the Danish Royal Library - not all of the pages are in English) It may take a bit more digging to find what you are seeking, but perhaps this will help you with your search. Cheers, Hillary Greenslade, Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:31:54 EDT From: ArtsofPalm@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Viking exhibit Thanks for the tip on the exhibit. I've put it on my calendar to go when it hits NY. http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/start.html =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:51:48 EDT From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... - --part1_1bc.b6b99f1.2a93f7d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/02 8:44:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 2rozakii@attbi.com writes: > > I've seen scrolls carved in stone or a simulated stone. My older daughter > received her AoA and it is a painting of a stone with runes carved in to > it. I'll try to remember to scan it for anyone who wants to see it. > > I'm curious to hear of what others have done. :-) > > Tzitzakion > I saw a laurel's scroll craved in a foot wide stone at the Heraldic Symposium Tamara - --part1_1bc.b6b99f1.2a93f7d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/20/02 8:44:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 2rozakii@attbi.com writes:

I've seen scrolls carved in stone or a simulated stone. My older daughter received her AoA and it is a painting of a stone with runes carved in to it. I'll try to remember to scan it for anyone who wants to see it.

I'm curious to hear of what others have done. :-)

Tzitzakion

I saw a laurel's scroll craved in a foot wide stone at the Heraldic Symposium

Tamara

- --part1_1bc.b6b99f1.2a93f7d4_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Elisa T Bergslien Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... I have done several scrolls on wood - both using chip carving and paint, and using a nice smooth gesso surface, depending on the period of the piece. I found some really nice blank wooden triptycs in different shapes which can make inventive scrolls - the only down side is that I have felt compelled to decorate both sides of the wood since these pieces can be placed on a table rather than hung on a wall. This really increases the work load. For early period pieces I have used raw cuts of wood, some with the bark still on the edges. So far these have all gone over very well, and are much lighter to transport than stone. Dona Elisa inn Rau Hara - AEthelmearc ___________________________ / Elisa Bergslien * Department of Geology Fractured Rock Research Group * University of Buffalo - Multiphase Flow Investigations * (716) 645 - 6800 ext. 6100 \________________________________________________________________________ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:50:19 -0500 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: RE: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... At 11:44 PM 8/19/2002 -0600, freewaydiva wrote: >Hi all, > >....does anyone have any particular preference to Viking style scrolls >that they'd be willing to share? >Aside from the standard "take an element of Norse art and do the text in >runes, and damn the authenticity factor' method...which is pleasing to >many, by the way, and can suit many a purpose... > >There was some discussion at our Investiture event this weekend about how >groovy it would be for a Viking reign (which is nearly *all* of ours here >in Avacal) to hand out awards carved as rune staves. I figure, if the >stick was big enough in diameter, and the recipient didn't go play Hurley >with it after court, one of the ends could be flattened enough and wide >enough to hold the seal reasonably well (or figure out some way to carve >the seal into the stick), and it would be far more authentic than a scroll >or charter. A laurel in Ealdormere (who got elevated for Norse studies) received her scroll as an engraved post for part of a grand chair. It is very cool. Cheers, Gwendoline =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:04:39 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... If I am correct, I do believe that Duke Sir Finn (Middle) was given a woven tapestry for his Ducal "scroll." That sounds like a really neat idea if one knows how to do that sort of weaving . You could do a pseudo carving on a piece of clay slab made to look like a stone, and have someone fire it for you. That could really be an awesome piece for some Viking persona to own. Just a few thoughts... KHvS =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:03:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Amanda Torgerson Subject: [scribes]: Newbie - --0-19737230-1029902622=:22158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings. I'm a newbie from Dun Or and I got your address from a friend. I'm interested in learning more about your art and any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amanda - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs - --0-19737230-1029902622=:22158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Greetings.

I'm a newbie from Dun Or and I got your address from a friend. I'm interested in learning more about your art and any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Amanda

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs - --0-19737230-1029902622=:22158-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Price Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... - --- Helen Schultz wrote: [Pardon me for jumping in like this, but I have jsut subscirbed to the list and am very excited!] > If I am correct, I do believe that Duke Sir Finn (Middle) was given a > woven tapestry for his Ducal "scroll." Presumably there would also be possibilities for embriodered designs or for couched work (where a thick thread is sewn onto a backing to form the design or lettering in this case. It's how the Bayeaux 'tapestry' was done, I believe). > You could do a pseudo carving on a piece of clay slab made to look > like a stone, and have someone fire it for you. That could really > be an awesome piece for some Viking persona to own. There are two other possibilities here. There is a type of concrete under the brand name of Hebel here in Australia which you can mix up either plain or in any of the colours and textures you can get for concrete nowadays. It sets 'fluffy', and looks like a cross between limestone and volcanic pumice. It is lightweight and can be carved with an ordinary wood saw, files, dremel tools or rasps. I haven't seen anything done which tried to be SCA period, let alone viking era, but it could be fun to experiment with. The second possibility is a soft limestone or sandstone and do the same thing. In South Australia you can get a very white limestone from the Mt Gambier region which can also be carved with a file or rasp (or a dremel to get runes happening). I have carved abstract sculptures in it, and a celtic slab (you can get the stuff in rectangular blocks 66x40x10 cm). Would be great for a rune stone! Hope enough of that translates across for non-Oz people. Jon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... (fwd) - --0-769526574-1029927619=:86355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I judged one piece a few years ago where the gentlemen told the story of an even in embroidery like the one really long viking tapestry. He could tell the whole story by when looking at the very long coth. It was really well done. He took extra care to use the same style stiches and designs as were used on the real one. Also, talk with the "viking answer lady". She can help a lot. She also has friends who like to be challenged to write poems in the correct language in the original style as would have been done in period. real good stuff. Her name is Mistress Gunora. Also if they are 11th c. or forward, you can always look at otonian...there are some sample done in the northern monistaries. your servant, mahee - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs - --0-769526574-1029927619=:86355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I judged one piece a few years ago where the gentlemen told the story of an even in embroidery like the one really long viking tapestry. He could tell the whole story by when looking at the very long coth. It was really well done. He took extra care to use the same style stiches and designs as were used on the real one.

Also, talk with the "viking answer lady". She can help a lot. She also has friends who like to be challenged to write poems in the correct language in the original style as would have been done in period. real good stuff. Her name is Mistress Gunora.

Also if they are 11th c. or forward, you can always look at otonian...there are some sample done in the northern monistaries.

your servant,

mahee

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs - --0-769526574-1029927619=:86355-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:36:04 -0400 From: "Judith Kirk" Subject: [scribes]: Cool Roman numeral and date conversion site! Just found this and it was MOST helpful and a lot of fun--Siobhan http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:24:32 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: non-paper scroll competition... - --part1_15f.129c13e5.2a950ab0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we are on the subject of non-paper scrolls for Viking eras, I am going to repost the competition announcement I made during Pennsic. We are having a competition in Atlantia and one of the categories is non-paper scrolls. There is a specific time period noted in the announcement below, and the theme for the scrolls is equestrian (horses) and anything to do with them. You don't have to be an Atlantian to enter, or be present at the event, but you do have to do a scroll for an Atlantian award. You can get an assignment from our Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve at signet@atlantia.sca.org. Please see the announcement below: >>> Greetings fellow scribes from the Scrivener Royal Atlantia; I am sponsoring a scroll competition at Fall Crown Tournament (November 1-3 in Bright Hills) as part of the Tempore Atlantia. The time period for this event is: Fall Crown 2002 - items from 1492-1600 The theme for the competition is equestrian activities. Your scroll should have a horse or an item of tack (saddle, bridle, lance, horseman's mace, etc.) from the time period above somewhere in the illumination. You may also create an equestrian theme wording for the scroll, provided you have your text approved by the office of the Clerk of the Signet. Documentation of your design will get you extra points. The award should be from Atlantia's backlog, a current assignment you are working on, or from a Baronial award from a Barony in Atlantia. There will be four categories with prizes for each: Novice (anyone who has being doing SCA scrolls for one year or less); Journeyman (anyone who has been doing scrolls for over one year, but has not gotten a Pearl or Laural, or has not worked with period supplies or materials; Master (anyone who has a Pearl or Laural in any of the scribal arts/ or who works with period supplies and materials); and Non-paper (scrolls must be done on something other than paper, such as vellum, leather, parchment, wood, ceramics, embroidery, etc., for this category). You can get an assignment off the backlog from the Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve D'Evereux at signet@atlantia.sca.org I shall be posting a list of books to look for in your library to get ideas/documentation from the featured time period (1495 to 1600). If anyone already knows of some books in this time period, please post them for the general populace. If you need any assistance or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me at brndalston@aol.com or (757) 488-3597. Happy Scribing! Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift, Scrivener Royal) <<< - --part1_15f.129c13e5.2a950ab0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we are on the subject of non-paper scrolls for Viking eras, I am going to repost the competition announcement I made during Pennsic. We are having a competition in Atlantia and one of the categories is non-paper scrolls. There is a specific time period noted in the announcement below, and the theme for the scrolls is equestrian (horses) and anything to do with them.

You don't have to be an Atlantian to enter, or be present at the event, but you do have to do a scroll for an Atlantian award. You can get an assignment from our Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve at signet@atlantia.sca.org. Please see the announcement below:

>>>
Greetings fellow scribes from the Scrivener Royal Atlantia;

I am sponsoring a scroll competition at Fall Crown Tournament (November 1-3 in Bright Hills) as part of the Tempore Atlantia. The time period for this event is:

Fall Crown 2002 - items from 1492-1600

The theme for the competition is equestrian activities. Your scroll should have a horse or an item of tack (saddle, bridle, lance, horseman's mace, etc.) from the time period above somewhere in the illumination. You may also create an equestrian theme wording for the scroll, provided you have your text approved by the office of the Clerk of the Signet. Documentation of your design will get you extra points.

The award should be from Atlantia's backlog, a current assignment you are working on, or from a Baronial award from a Barony in Atlantia.

There will be four categories with prizes for each:
Novice (anyone who has being doing SCA scrolls for one year or less);

Journeyman (anyone who has been doing scrolls for over one year, but has not gotten a Pearl or Laural, or has not worked with period supplies or materials;

Master (anyone who has a Pearl or Laural in any of the scribal arts/ or who works with period supplies and materials);

and Non-paper (scrolls must be done on something other than paper, such as vellum, leather, parchment, wood, ceramics, embroidery, etc., for this category).

You can get an assignment off the backlog from the Clerk of the Signet, Lady Genevieve D'Evereux at signet@atlantia.sca.org

I shall be posting a list of books to look for in your library to get ideas/documentation from the featured time period (1495 to 1600). If anyone already knows of some books in this time period, please post them for the general populace.

If you need any assistance or clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me at brndalston@aol.com or (757) 488-3597.

Happy Scribing!
Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift, Scrivener Royal)
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- --part1_15f.129c13e5.2a950ab0_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:32 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Newbie - --part1_181.d168580.2a950c18_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 12:04:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pandarchery@yahoo.com writes: > Greetings. > I'm a newbie from Dun Or and I got your address from a friend. I'm > interested in learning more about your art and any information would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Amanda > Welcome to the list! Is there anything specific that you are interested in, or have a question about? We have a wide level of expertise on this list and a variety of techniques, subjects, time periods, etc. that our members cover. We would be happy to answer your questions. Brandy - --part1_181.d168580.2a950c18_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2002 12:04:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pandarchery@yahoo.com writes:

Greetings.
I'm a newbie from Dun Or and I got your address from a friend. I'm interested in learning more about your art and any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Amanda

Welcome to the list! Is there anything specific that you are interested in, or have a question about? We have a wide level of expertise on this list and a variety of techniques, subjects, time periods, etc. that our members cover. We would be happy to answer your questions.

Brandy
- --part1_181.d168580.2a950c18_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: [none] Jon said >The second possibility is a soft limestone or sandstone and do the same >thing. In South Australia you can get a very white limestone from the >Mt Gambier region which can also be carved with a file or rasp (or a >dremel to get runes happening). I have carved abstract sculptures in >it, and a celtic slab (you can get the stuff in rectangular blocks >66x40x10 cm). Would be great for a rune stone! >Hope enough of that translates across for non-Oz people. >Jon. While it's not a scroll, there is a man in Ansteorra, Thorgard, who every year carves a new linestone 'rune' for each new kingdom that arrives at Gulf Wars event, and he presents it to their crown, for placement somewhere on their 'lands' at the war. I believe he carves the stone with words like 'This here be the kingdom of X, tread with care!', or so. I imagine he gets the stone from the hill country in Texas, where he hails from, where the cities are built on and with the local stone. He takes the rough stone to the war, shapes it and carves it while at the war, and presents it at the end of the week. Quaries are probably accessible for stone in the southwest and Arkansas regions, should anyone want to get some. His resulting stones are way cool! Hillary/Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of non-paper scrolls... Sir Christopher Rawlyns got his knighthood scroll embroidered in the style of the Bayeux tapestry. It was done to size, the team did a bunch of research on colors, stitches, and kinds of wool used for the stitching. It took the whole team to carry it into court, because it was many feet long (to size, remember?). THL Aerin Tiene designed the story of Chrisopher's life into the appropriate scenes. It was way cool, and half the Barony Marche of the Debatable Lands was in on the embroidery. Graidhne On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Jon Price wrote: > --- Helen Schultz wrote: > > [Pardon me for jumping in like this, but I have jsut subscirbed to the > list and am very excited!] > > > If I am correct, I do believe that Duke Sir Finn (Middle) was given a > > woven tapestry for his Ducal "scroll." > > Presumably there would also be possibilities for embriodered designs or > for couched work (where a thick thread is sewn onto a backing to form > the design or lettering in this case. It's how the Bayeaux 'tapestry' > was done, I believe). > > > You could do a pseudo carving on a piece of clay slab made to look > > like a stone, and have someone fire it for you. That could really > > be an awesome piece for some Viking persona to own. > > There are two other possibilities here. There is a type of concrete > under the brand name of Hebel here in Australia which you can mix up > either plain or in any of the colours and textures you can get for > concrete nowadays. It sets 'fluffy', and looks like a cross between > limestone and volcanic pumice. It is lightweight and can be carved with > an ordinary wood saw, files, dremel tools or rasps. I haven't seen > anything done which tried to be SCA period, let alone viking era, but > it could be fun to experiment with. > > The second possibility is a soft limestone or sandstone and do the same > thing. In South Australia you can get a very white limestone from the > Mt Gambier region which can also be carved with a file or rasp (or a > dremel to get runes happening). I have carved abstract sculptures in > it, and a celtic slab (you can get the stuff in rectangular blocks > 66x40x10 cm). Would be great for a rune stone! > > Hope enough of that translates across for non-Oz people. > > Jon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:16:57 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: [scribes]: Cyrillic, please I am in need of some help with two words in Cyrillic... is there anyone out there who could help me?? Please respond privately. This is a non-SCA project. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #43 ****************************