From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #41 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, August 17 2002 Volume 08 : Number 041 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Two questions... Re: [scribes]: Two questions... Re: [scribes]: Two questions... Re: [scribes]: Two questions... Re: [scribes]: Two questions... Re: [scribes]: Two questions... [scribes]: embroidered book binding ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 04:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Melanie Subject: [scribes]: Two questions... Question #1: I assume that you do the inking of black lines *after* you've painted them? Question #2: Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge pens? Any experience with this? Thanks! ~Dionysia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:14:08 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Two questions... - --part1_184.cb291b8.2a8bf7f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 7:13:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linuxgrrlv2@yahoo.ca writes: > Question #1: > I assume that you do the inking of black lines *after* > you've painted them? That is how I usually do it. Ink the lines after you painted and gold leafed everything. It gives it a nice finished touch. > > Question #2: > Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for > illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib > might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge > pens? Any experience with this? I have never used it, so I cannot help you with this one. Brandy > > > Thanks! > ~Dionysia > - --part1_184.cb291b8.2a8bf7f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/14/2002 7:13:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linuxgrrlv2@yahoo.ca writes:


Question #1:
I assume that you do the inking of black lines *after*
you've painted them?
That is how I usually do it. Ink the lines after you painted and gold leafed everything. It gives it a nice finished touch.


Question #2:
Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for
illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib
might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge
pens? Any experience with this?
I have never used it, so I cannot help you with this one.

Brandy



Thanks!
~Dionysia


- --part1_184.cb291b8.2a8bf7f0_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Two questions... > > Question #2: > > Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for illumination > and calligraphy? I think my dip knib might scratch it up a > bit, but what about cartridge pens? Any experience with this? This very much depends on the type of Japanese watercolour paper that you're using. There are two major types. One has a finish that is _meant_ to "bleed", producing a blurring of the images being painted for a sort of impressionist result. The other has a finish to prevent that type of bleeding. I can't really speak for using nib pens (dip or cartridge), since I've only ever done brush calligraphy on Japanese paper, but I don't think that it's designed for use with nib pens... =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:34 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Two questions... >>Question #1: I assume that you do the inking of black lines *after* you've painted them?<< This is how I usually do it, but not always. When I'm doing italian white vine, I'll ink first and then paint. But that's the only style where I ink first. >>Question #2: Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge pens? Any experience with this?<< I've never tried it with japanese watercolor paper but many of the japanese papers lack sufficient sizing on them to work well for calligraphy using a dip pen or a cartridge. Japanese papers are designed for brush work (since their calligraphy is also done with a brush and more rarely reed pens), so it doesn't need the amount of size that regular papers get. What you might find using a metal nibbed pen is that the japanese papers have a tendency to bleed along the fibers. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:54:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Two questions... On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Melanie wrote: > Question #1: > I assume that you do the inking of black lines *after* > you've painted them? You can do either. There is evidence, IIRC, for both practices in period. Personally I like to ink before I paint, because then I can erase all the extraneous pencil lines without worrying that I've just erased some of the important ones along with the others. I can find manuscript evidence that the colorist ignored some of what was originally drawn in, but that's not a practice I'm interested in replicating. When I'm working with a style that wants red lines, I currently use walnut ink and a crow quill as I have yet to find a red ink pen I am happy with. For black lines I use a good black ballpoint pen, with waterproof gel ink. Once you've gilded and painted, then you ink again and you're done! > > Question #2: > Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for > illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib > might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge > pens? Any experience with this? > > > Thanks! > ~Dionysia > Knowing nothing about the aforementioned paper, I will pass on this one. Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:13:05 +0800 From: Jean-Paul Blaquiere Subject: Re: [scribes]: Two questions... > On Aug 14, Melanie illuminated : > Is Japanese watercolour paper appropriate for > illumination and calligraphy? I think my dip knib > might scratch it up a bit, but what about cartridge > pens? Any experience with this? > urk no. it bleeds way too much. it is dedigned to absorb the ink not let is sit on the surface life parchments (and everything else we write on) The fibry nature of the paper will also catch your nib lots (cartridge and dip alike) I did try this once and promtly vowed to never do it again. There are *some* Japanese papers which you can write on with pen / nib but they take a bit of finding. ./Jehan - -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || verum ipsum factum Questions are dangerous, for they have answers =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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