From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #33 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, July 26 2002 Volume 08 : Number 033 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: I just finished Re: [scribes]: I just finished Re: [scribes]: I just finished [scribes]: Testing - Do not reply. [scribes]: DONT REPLY TO THE SPAM Re: [scribes]: I just finished [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end Re: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end [scribes]: Middle Eastern Resources Re: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end [scribes]: ADV: TIMES ARE TOUGH! WHAT DO YOU DO? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:24:49 -0400 From: Marina Subject: [scribes]: I just finished My very first scroll. To bad it isn't a SCA scroll, but a gift for someone very near and dear to my heart. I had to do the entire thing twice, because apparently Titivillus was really looking out for me. I practiced the entire passage 2 times before I committed it to the scroll, and what do I do? I leave out a complete phrase, and drop a letter, not to mention writing a word twice. And boy is my hand sore. Marina of Starhaven =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:05:47 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: I just finished - --part1_bc.297c2c8a.2a6f819b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/23/02 11:27:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marina@greyhawkes.com writes: > My very first scroll. To bad it isn't a SCA scroll, but a gift for someone > very near and dear to my heart. I had to do the entire thing twice, > because apparently Titivillus was really looking out for me. I practiced > the entire passage 2 times before I committed it to the scroll, and what do > I do? I leave out a complete phrase, and drop a letter, not to mention > writing a word twice. And boy is my hand sore. > > Marina of Starhaven > > > Congratulations!!! :) Regardless of whether or not it's for the SCA, it's still an accomplishment to finish any piece of work you have put your heart into. Mistakes were still period, and Titivillus has means of getting into even the best artisan's work.... Be it in the form of a cat eating egg white and tracking paint across someone's page, or the "oops" of missing an entire line (been there, done that! *grin*) in the middle of 28 lines of script and/or something else that causes you to start over again. I've been a scribe in the SCA for 2 years - not as long as half of these other fine folk, but long enough to listen to their tales and learn a LOT from them. And from myself. Mistakes will happen, but Art is forever. :) Hope your friend enjoys the piece - if you have a scan of it, could you send it to the list? YIS, Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East) Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY - --part1_bc.297c2c8a.2a6f819b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/23/02 11:27:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marina@greyhawkes.com writes:


My very first scroll.  To bad it isn't a SCA scroll, but a gift for someone
very near and dear to my heart.  I had to do the entire thing twice,
because apparently Titivillus was really looking out for me.  I practiced
the entire passage 2 times before I committed it to the scroll, and what do
I do?  I leave out a complete phrase, and drop a letter, not to mention
writing a word twice.  And boy is my hand sore.

Marina of Starhaven




Congratulations!!! :)

Regardless of whether or not it's for the SCA, it's still an accomplishment to finish any piece of work you have put your heart into. Mistakes were still period, and Titivillus has means of getting into even the best artisan's work.... Be it in the form of a cat eating egg white and tracking paint across someone's page, or the "oops" of missing an entire line (been there, done that! *grin*) in the middle of 28 lines of script and/or something else that causes you to start over again.

I've been a scribe in the SCA for 2 years - not as long as half of these other fine folk, but long enough to listen to their tales and learn a LOT from them. And from myself.
Mistakes will happen, but Art is forever. :)

Hope your friend enjoys the piece - if you have a scan of it, could you send it to the list?

YIS,

Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East)
Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY - --part1_bc.297c2c8a.2a6f819b_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:19:48 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: I just finished Congratulations, Marina, on at least finishing it. If you still have your "mistake" one, you could salvage it. In period, things like that often happened to scribes... many didn't read, but just new how to copy the letters; or someone interrupted their train of thought and they lost where they were in the copying process... so, instead of throwing away a valuable piece of vellum, they would do things like put the forgotten phrase or sentence at the bottom of the page (or at the side) and then draw a beastie or hand that pointed to the "lost" portion of script. If you drop a letter or word, you can simply write it in smaller under or over the spot where it belongs. That is easier with a letter, but a word can be tackled the same way as the phrase. Now, writing down a word twice was also common, and was often just left in. Or, sometimes, you will even see them crossed out in manuscripts. So, just for fun, you could try some of these tactics and keep the "mistake" piece as an example to show others how to "fix" those mistakes when you do a demo or something. Anyway, any time you complete a project is a good feeling. So, again, congratulations... even though you said it wasn't an SCA "scroll." Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina@insightbb.com (still in progress, so be patient with it) - ----- Original Message ----- > My very first scroll. To bad it isn't a SCA scroll, but a gift for someone > very near and dear to my heart. I had to do the entire thing twice, > because apparently Titivillus was really looking out for me. I practiced > the entire passage 2 times before I committed it to the scroll, and what do > I do? I leave out a complete phrase, and drop a letter, not to mention > writing a word twice. And boy is my hand sore. > > Marina of Starhaven =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:52:09 +0200 From: merlyn@virulent.de Subject: Re: [scribes]: I just finished Heya CONGRATS on your first scroll... I hope there will be many more to come... remember ...it's period to make mistakes... the beauty is in adding the things you forgot artisticly ( drollery pointing it out is always fun) Good luck Cheers Bridget Greywolf - "If i write any more my fingers will fall off!" > My very first scroll. To bad it isn't a SCA scroll, but a gift for > someone very near and dear to my heart. I had to do the entire thing > twice, because apparently Titivillus was really looking out for me. I > practiced the entire passage 2 times before I committed it to the > scroll, and what do I do? I leave out a complete phrase, and drop a > letter, not to mention writing a word twice. And boy is my hand sore. > > Marina of Starhaven - --- "Mind the Gap!" =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:38:55 +0200 From: merlyn@virulent.de Subject: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end Greetings all... okay I have been sort of lurking for a while, reading the posts and gathering information.... and working away in the deep of night... and now I am brave enough ( eep!) to show people what I am doing. I welcome feed back, critiques etc....as I have been away from this stuff for a LONG time and am just getting back into it now... ( long story) The web page talks a little about that. It's very graphic intensive so please be warned. http://www.virulent.de/blackwood/bridget/index.html again,please bear in mind I am just starting out in the realms of scribery...( again)so these are not the best in the world... I took a much needed LOA to run away to sea and go to Art school,( 7 years break to be exact) But I also have had MUCH help and advice from Master Harold ( thankyou thankyou thankyou) I hope you all enjoy it. again thanks in advance for comments , critiques and help. Bridget.... - --- Guinness is for drinking not washing your paint brush...water is for washing your paint brushes not drinking...mixing them up is yukky! =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:38:55 +0200 From: merlyn@virulent.de Subject: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end Greetings all... okay I have been sort of lurking for a while, reading the posts and gathering information.... and working away in the deep of night... and now I am brave enough ( eep!) to show people what I am doing. I welcome feed back, critiques etc....as I have been away from this stuff for a LONG time and am just getting back into it now... ( long story) The web page talks a little about that. It's very graphic intensive so please be warned. http://www.virulent.de/blackwood/bridget/index.html again,please bear in mind I am just starting out in the realms of scribery...( again)so these are not the best in the world... I took a much needed LOA to run away to sea and go to Art school,( 7 years break to be exact) But I also have had MUCH help and advice from Master Harold ( thankyou thankyou thankyou) I hope you all enjoy it. again thanks in advance for comments , critiques and help. Bridget.... - --- Guinness is for drinking not washing your paint brush...water is for washing your paint brushes not drinking...mixing them up is yukky! =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:27:24 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end I love your drolleries, you obviously enjoy them. I'm not the best at calligraphy, but try using a broader nib, or smaller letters.The spaces inside the letters should be the same width as the lines of the letters. (Did that make sense) Sometimes light vertical pencil lines will help you keep things straight. On the gold--put the gesso on very thick; get a bead of the gesso on the end of your brush, then gently touch it to the paper. Keep doing this, placing each bead right next to each other. Capillary action is used to make it all come together. It will be much smoother this way. You can also apply more than one layer, if the first is uneven or not thick enough. There's a really neat gilding size I've been getting people hooked on called Permacoll Mirror Gloss Gilding Size. It's made by Kolner in Germany, you might be able to find it. I can look up their phone number, if you'd like. It comes in yellow and clear, and gives really amazing results-- The best mirror finish I've ever seen with no burnishing. It takes a little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it it is truly miraculous. NIce work, keep practicing! Chiara da Ravenna (former apprentice to Meister Harold) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunshine Subject: [scribes]: Middle Eastern Resources - --0-619092171-1027547491=:30837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't remember who asked, but I remember Someone did.. here's my page on middle eastern calligraphy/ illumination etc..resources, hope it helps. Let me know if you need something more specific, I might be able to dig it up. http://www.geocities.com/samhainlady/middleeast/melinks.html Constance ~~ Damnant quod non intellegunt ~~ - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better - --0-619092171-1027547491=:30837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I can't remember who asked, but I remember Someone did.. here's my page on middle eastern calligraphy/ illumination etc..resources, hope it helps. Let me know if you need something more specific, I might be able to dig it up.

http://www.geocities.com/samhainlady/middleeast/melinks.html

Constance

 



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Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better - --0-619092171-1027547491=:30837-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:26:44 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Jumping off the deep end Bridget: Are you going to be able to make it across the "pond" to Pennsic this year?? If so, please come visit me at Good Friends Camp... I'll be more than happy to give you some pointers on your gilding. You probably need just a bit more honey or sugar-syrup in your gilding base, not to mention smoothing it out a little so you have fewer hills and valleys. If you can't make it to Pennsic, then I'll see what I can do for you at this distance. I like your use of drolleries... and I agree your calligraphy needs some work, but that only comes with practice, practice, and more practice. I'd find another ink to use that isn't so easily smeared. I like to use stick ink, but if that isn't what you want to try at this point, then try a more permanent one. Or, do your lining and calligraphy with thinned down black gouache that you have added just a good healthy drop of gum arabic to... makes a world of difference. Besides that, if you have paper that tends to bleed with ink, using gouache is sometimes the only recourse. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://meisterin.katarina.home.insightbb.com (still in progress of switching over from another site). =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: lennd@marketingresearchinternational.com Subject: [scribes]: ADV: TIMES ARE TOUGH! WHAT DO YOU DO? - --=200207260908= Content-Type: text/html;charset=US-ASCII Untitled Document

 

 

 

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