From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #31 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, July 21 2002 Volume 08 : Number 031 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]:Carry case Was -Inside the baronial box [scribes]: Scribe's Tea at Pennsic Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Re: [scribes]: Scribe's Tea at Pennsic [scribes]: Scribal Suitcase (was Inside the baronial box) [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything Re: [scribes]: Atenveldt seals? Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything [scribes]: need Middle Eastern resources [scribes]: Flying Art Supplies & Pennsic (was Baronial Box) [scribes]: basic supplies Re: [scribes]: basic supplies Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Scribal Suitcase (was Inside the baronial box) Re: [scribes]: basic supplies RE: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:51:18 EDT From: VictoriaPringle@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]:Carry case Was -Inside the baronial box - --part1_150.110fc2ec.2a699d86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to the world of scribal arts so I don't know what will/wont work as a carrying case but I thought that this map case might. I don't think it would take care of the problem of keeping the ink bottles upright but it might work for other things. Sovietski Collection: Treasures From a Bygone Era - (800) 442-0002 yis, Victoria In a message dated 7/19/02 11:48:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpalotay@yahoo.com writes: > This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry > my > supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made > those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. > > My problem with most containers I've seen is that I can't fit a bottle of > ink > in them, at least not upright. And the craft-type carrying cases are > usually > some violent shade of purple or pink, making them somewhat less-than-useful > in > a medieval context. > > Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way that doesn't involve > advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is that the container has > to > fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given that I'm in Caid, and > Pennsic > is, well, not. > > I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but I'm kind of stuck on the > copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want to fold them, even if > they > are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions? > > Martha > - --part1_150.110fc2ec.2a699d86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to the world of scribal arts so I don't know what will/wont work as a carrying case but I thought that this map case might. I don't think it would take care of the problem of keeping the ink bottles upright but it might work for other things.

Sovietski Collection: Treasures From a Bygone Era - (800) 442-0002

yis,
Victoria

In a message dated 7/19/02 11:48:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpalotay@yahoo.com writes:

This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry my
supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made
those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood.

My problem with most containers I've seen is that I can't fit a bottle of ink
in them, at least not upright. And the craft-type carrying cases are usually
some violent shade of purple or pink, making them somewhat less-than-useful in
a medieval context.

Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way that doesn't involve
advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is that the container has to
fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given that I'm in Caid, and Pennsic
is, well, not.

I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but I'm kind of stuck on the
copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want to fold them, even if they
are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions?

Martha

- --part1_150.110fc2ec.2a699d86_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:10:50 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: [scribes]: Scribe's Tea at Pennsic The Scribal Tea is Aug. 14th at 10am in Midrealm Royal. By the way, the A&S pre-list is up on the Pennsic XXXI web site (has been since July 14th). Lots and lots and lots of classes to take . As a plug... I'm doing two classes in my encampment again this year... Gilding My Way (which means it isn't necessarily the proper Medieval way, but it works well) on the 13th at 10am and Making a Soft-Bound Coptic Book on the 8th at 10am. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin (soon to be http://www.insightbb.com/~meisterin [I think]) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:23:17 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Martha, to transport your scribal supplies in a "period" looking box, you might want to find a suitably sized wooden box of some sort and use that. I've got a couple of boxes that wine came in (Xmas present types of things) that are made of a light weight 1/4 inch wood, usually with a latch of some sort. They have a wine logo on them when they're plain, but that can be covered up in several ways. One box I completely gessoed with Liquitex and gilded it using the compo leaf, so now I have a gold box. You could probably work a design into this type of thing too - maybe paint your arms on it and then gild the rest of the box. Another box I have was given to me by Elyramere. it had the top gessoed, then painted in a faux verdigris pounded copper top. Very decorative. Neither of these boxes are huge - one held 2 bottles of wine, the other held something I don't recall now. One has a sort of compartment in it formed by the piece of wood that held the bottle necks in place. You can usually find this sort of thing at Costco or Sam's around the fall for Xmas presents, but you might also check at Pier 1 or Cost Plus for boxes or baskets that you can use. They have lots of variety on that sort of thing. Another option but too large to haul around most of the time - Sam's Club was offering at one time oak tool boxes, in the old "mechanic's" style which has a compartment on top, and lots of small shallow drawers below. I have one of these in metal, a real vintage one, that my dad gave to me from when he worked at United Airlines back in the '40s or '50s. I plan to turn it into an art supply and sewing box at some point, but I don't like the current paint job on it (he spray painted it brown years ago - everything, including the handle). I'm going to try some stripper on it to take it back to the metal and then get it powder coated. Tetchubah, Caid Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:26:40 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe's Tea at Pennsic At 12:10 PM 7/19/2002 -0500, Helen Schultz wrote: >The Scribal Tea is Aug. 14th at 10am in Midrealm Royal. Yes, HRM Alys has been gracious enough to allow us to use the Royal Encampment while she is on the battlefield giving inspiration to the troops. The Known World Scribal Tea will run from 10am until noon, at Middle Kingdom Royal Encampment, as stated above. There will be tables set up for portfolios to be spread onto and gazed at, as well as chairs in which to sit. There will also be a small assortment of refreshments - please bring your own drinking vessel. I apologize to those who will be teaching or attending classes at this time and will be unable to attend the tea. The time and date was chosen without knowledge of the Pennsic class schedule at large. I apologize for any inconvenience it may cause. I look forward to seeing many of you, and your work, at Pennsic. Smiles, Cu Drag, Despina de la Brasov organizer KWST at Pennsic 30 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Booth Subject: [scribes]: Scribal Suitcase (was Inside the baronial box) Greetings! Please, please, do let us know if the original artisan is interested in going back into production. The "scribal suitcase" sounds wonderful and I'd love to get one (if I can afford it). - -- Suzanne HL Suzanne de la Ferté Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra - --- "Cecelia M. Hughes" wrote: > I'll ask Robert of Coldcastle to bring his scribal suitcase with him > to Pennsic. It is a hand-crafted leather carrying case with a leather > shoulder strap with removable "drawers" to hold several layers of > stuff. It is way cool, and he won it in a "backlogged scroll" competition > in Calontir. I can contact the original artisan and see if he's willing > to go back into production. > > Graidhne > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:24:03 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything One word of caution, Martha, regardless of which route you plan to take on getting your supplies to Pennsic. Even if the ink is stored "upright" in your box, if you're putting that box into your suitcase I wouldn't bet on it staying upright for the trip. To ensure that you don't wind up with ink all over everything else, I'd recommend you put the ink bottle inside a zip lock bag and then put it into the box. No matter how tight I close my ink bottles, they all seem to leak eventually if they're knocked over. And if you're flying to Pennsic you can bet your suitcase is going to get jostled all sorts of ways by the airlines. Better yet, put it in a baggy and put it in your carryon luggage. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything > Better yet, put it in a baggy and put it in your carryon luggage. And there's never any guarantee that your carry-on luggage won't get knocked upside down, either... =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:12:34 -0700 From: Karen Williams Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Martha Palotay wrote: > > This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry my > supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made > those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. But they do. Our local art stores (University Art in Palo Alto and San Jose, CA) have carried wooden art supply boxes, in assorted sizes and shapes, for years. Also, the Museum Store sells a wooden calligraphy box (already filled with calligraphy supplies) that is just perfect for taking to events. Branwen ferch Emrys The Mists, the West - -- Karen Williams branwen@ix.netcom.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:57:45 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything >>And there's never any guarantee that your carry-on luggage won't get knocked upside down, either...<< True, but at least if it does, you're the one most likely to be doing it. And you're more likely to take precautions with it than some luggage handler is. They don't know there's a bottle of ink in your bag. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:11:56 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Atenveldt seals? > I know we've discussed this before but I didn't keep the thread: > > Does the Kingdom of Atenveldt seal their scrolls on a regular basis? Or do > they do something else? Being current Kingdom Signet Aten: depends on the season, literally. The Summer Reign is advised not to use the waxseals for the simple fact that wax in 110degrees does not fare well to say the least. During the colder part of the year we play catch up with sealing scrolls as folk wants them done. A lot of people do not want to incur the additional costs for framing which raised scrolls with seals do present. Per custom, Award of Arms are not sealed. The AoA is a Society award, all other precedence bearing awards within the Kingdom are sealed only if the recipient has registered arms. > > The reason I'm asking is that I've spent a couple of evenings this week > getting some stuff matted up for framing. One of the items is an award of > arms scroll for a friend of mine, which was awarded in Atenveldt. The > scroll was never sealed (for that matter, it never had its pencil markings > erased either but that's easy enough to take care of). I'd like to get it > sealed before I finish matting it, if Atenveldt does that as a matter of > course with their scrolls. If not, what does Atenveldt do? Just leave > them blank? > Again, depends on circumstance. > Btw, the Aten scribes didn't do this scroll - it was done by someone here > in Caid. Maestra Alyssandra von Drachenskralle, OL aka Alex the scribe > Tetchubah, Caid > > Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:17:38 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything > > One word of caution, Martha, regardless of which route you plan to take on > getting your supplies to Pennsic. > > Even if the ink is stored "upright" in your box, if you're putting that box > into your suitcase I wouldn't bet on it staying upright for the trip Another thing that works wonderfully well. Use electrical tape to seal the top of your liquid containers. My silk paints came shipped that way, and I love it. The tape is reusable for up to 10 times before you need a new strip. Alex the scribe Atenveldt =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:07:48 EDT From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Caveat in carrying ink in anything - --part1_1ab.561179c.2a6a03d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/02 2:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com writes: > > One word of caution, Martha, regardless of which route you plan to take on > getting your supplies to Pennsic. > > Even if the ink is stored "upright" in your box, if you're putting that box > into your suitcase I wouldn't bet on it staying upright for the trip. To > ensure that you don't wind up with ink all over everything else, I'd > recommend you put the ink bottle inside a zip lock bag and then put it into > the box. No matter how tight I close my ink bottles, they all seem to leak > eventually if they're knocked over. And if you're flying to Pennsic you > can bet your suitcase is going to get jostled all sorts of ways by the > airlines. > > Better yet, put it in a baggy and put it in your carryon luggage. > > Tetchubah > > When my husband's grandmother passed away in May, I had 3 scrolls due 2 weeks after the funeral. I knew I couldn't fly across country and go a whole week without working on them. So I packed only the paints and items I knew I needed. The paints went in a plastic baggie, a plastic pencil case, then 2 more plastic baggies, then had plastic garage bags packed around it to cushion it, in the middle of the suitcase. The OxGall and Gold Leaf Varnish got the same treament. Then handled over to the airlines to ship. Thank God, because a brand new -never opened- metal bottle of varnish does leak. I had to throw the whole bottle away in the first single baggie it was packed in. But everything else was safe. The down side was trying to replace it in Kansas, in a town so small they don't have a red light or McDonald's. I had to drive all over the northeast section of Kansas looking for an art supplies shop. Tamara Trimaris - --part1_1ab.561179c.2a6a03d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/02 2:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com writes:

One word of caution, Martha, regardless of which route you plan to take on
getting your supplies to Pennsic.

Even if the ink is stored "upright" in your box, if you're putting that box
into your suitcase I wouldn't bet on it staying upright for the trip. To
ensure that you don't wind up with ink all over everything else, I'd
recommend you put the ink bottle inside a zip lock bag and then put it into
the box. No matter how tight I close my ink bottles, they all seem to leak
eventually if they're knocked over. And if you're flying to Pennsic you
can bet your suitcase is going to get jostled all sorts of ways by the
airlines.

Better yet, put it in a baggy and put it in your carryon luggage.

Tetchubah

When my husband's grandmother passed away in May, I had 3 scrolls due 2 weeks after the funeral. I knew I couldn't fly across country and go a whole week without working on them.

So I packed only the paints and items I knew I needed. The paints went in a plastic baggie, a plastic pencil case, then 2 more plastic baggies, then had plastic garage bags packed around it to cushion it, in the middle of the suitcase. The OxGall and Gold Leaf Varnish got the same treament. Then handled over to the airlines to ship.

Thank God, because a brand new -never opened- metal bottle of varnish does leak. I had to throw the whole bottle away in the first single baggie it was packed in. But everything else was safe.

The down side was trying to replace it in Kansas, in a town so small they don't have a red light or McDonald's. I had to drive all over the northeast section of Kansas looking for an art supplies shop.

Tamara
Trimaris - --part1_1ab.561179c.2a6a03d4_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:58:50 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: need Middle Eastern resources - --part1_132.110a1944.2a6a39fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an assignment to do a scroll for a Middle Eastern dancer. (The award was for dancing.) I don't have any Middle Eastern period resources here. I have only found a couple online, but I am sure there are more that I have not yet found. If you know of any online resources please let me know, if you have any suggestions for books those would also be appreciated. In a moment of serious fatigue (& not so serious brainstorming) I suddenly thought of using something from the Kama Sutra (a wedding gift) but I can't honestly see me citing that as a resource & I don't think it is period. Please don't let me go there. ;) Happy Pennsic planning/packing for those of you lucky enough to be going. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_132.110a1944.2a6a39fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an assignment to do a scroll for a Middle Eastern dancer. (The award was for dancing.) I don't have any Middle Eastern period resources here. I have only found a couple online, but I am sure there are more that I have not yet found. If you know of any online resources please let me know, if you have any suggestions for books those would also be appreciated.

In a moment of serious fatigue (& not so serious brainstorming) I suddenly thought of using something from the Kama Sutra (a wedding gift) but I can't honestly see me citing that as a resource & I don't think it is period. Please don't let me go there. ;)

Happy Pennsic planning/packing for those of you lucky enough to be going.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_132.110a1944.2a6a39fa_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:33:00 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Flying Art Supplies & Pennsic (was Baronial Box) A few things I have learned through experience in transport of art supplies, via land and air travel: 1) If it's a capillary-type ink pen, IE rapidograph or fine line, pressure on the plane *may* cause it to explode before you get off the plane. (Previously discussed on list, last year?) 2) Glass ink bottles - not really a good idea, when you have nothing secure to carry them in. The "Art Bin" manufacturers came up with the brilliant idea of a cloth and velcro carrying case, however, for as neat as the idea was of something that looks like a camper's lunch bag, of the 4-5 plastic closeable trays that fit inside this bag, none are deep enough to accommodate even a small jar of Speedball ink (about 1" high). Solution - resort to using inks in the plastic sealable bottles, considering they're going to shift around inside. 3) I have yet to put my plastic ink bottle or glass (airbrush - has a better sealing cap on it) water jar in the Plaid brand carrying bag. Since I bought it, and since the incident with the ink in my car (stains have not entirely come out, but are better...) I have been leery of keeping both in the same bag as my other supplies. Currently they transport in my pocket book, which has enough junk in it to keep them from moving around much. 4) Supplies as carry-ons... Supposedly there's a list online somewhere that shows all currently banned and permitted items on board planes. I think embroidery scissors are banned now? *boggle* Whatever the case, if your supply bag/case is small enough, I would recommend it for carry-on, only because you at least know it's not going to get crushed. Turned on its side, maybe, but not tossed around like a football. Back in "the day" I used to use the tackle-box that Art Bin made, which was fine for school purposes, except on those days when there was ice on the ground... Or when I otherwise needed my sense of balance to keep me from slipping on something. That mapmaker's kit looks way cool; eventually I plan on doing research on cartography (my persona is supposed to be a cartographer aboard a pirate ship...), and although the time period for the materials is way advanced (1970-80), the look of it still retains that antique style. :) I'd also like to see that "scribal suitcase"... The paint collection in my current carrier has grown immensely since 2 years ago; recently my techie boyfriend helped someone across the street from him who apologized for the temporary borrowing of our time together by sending him back across the street with a full set of Winsor Newton (Cottman) watercolors. :) The guy works in an art supply shop.... Way cool. ...wonder if I'll be able to fit the pigments I plan on buying at War in the case? Anyhoo... I just checked the Pennsic Battle page to see if there was anything martial in conflict with the Scribal Tea - Hadrian's Wall is on the 14th (webmaster must have spazzed, because the schedule goes "Tuesday August 13, Wednesday August 15..." Getting ahead of oneself there...). No time listed yet. As for the evilness of 9am classes... I was kind of too lazy to get out and dressed at Pennsic 28 & 29 by 9am; Pennsic 30 found me in line at the showers at 9am (first person to wake me before I'm ready will find fluffy pink bunnies and flowers painted onto their armor the next morning when THEY wake up *evil grin*). Baking in a tent at 9am tends to be its own wake-up call... And the 9am classes are the reason why I'm holding my class at 6pm. *grin* - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (An Dubh., East) E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 07:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: No Body Subject: [scribes]: basic supplies Ok, I know that this has been already partially dealt with, but I'm going to ask it again anyways... What are the most basic supplies necessary to do scribal work? What 4-5 colours should I have *for sure*? Thanks, ~Dionysia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: basic supplies Dear Dionysia, I hope you and other folks won't take it amiss if I answer your request in a way that may seem frivolous rather than practical; but my definition of what is "necessary" is different from many on this list. > Ok, I know that this has been already partially dealt > with, but I'm going to ask it again anyways... What > are the most basic supplies necessary to do scribal > work? What 4-5 colours should I have *for sure*? Necessary: Practice Imagination Practice A collection of images of period sources, preferably stored in one's memory. Practice Some sheets of good paper A pen (really, take your pick) Good ink A brush (thin) Water Red and Blue pigment or paint Without the elements of the former list, all the elements in the latter (and more) are not much use. If you've got the former, the latter is all you really need. - -- Johannes v.n. "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahee Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Having not had tome to read all of the replies, I can answer with a Yes. Atleast in the Middle and Near East. Both men and women were scribes. If you need me to look this up, give me time. I live in Texas and I am in Washington state so it can take a while your servant, mahee - --- Julie WIlliams wrote: > Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of > study there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the > scribes all men? Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman > scribe? > > Thank you for any help! > > Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:33:03 EDT From: Varju@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Suitcase (was Inside the baronial box) - --part1_a3.2b95fdd4.2a6ba18f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any pictures available of this case? I'd be very interesed to see how it looks. Noemi - --part1_a3.2b95fdd4.2a6ba18f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any pictures available of this case? I'd be very interesed to see how it looks.

Noemi - --part1_a3.2b95fdd4.2a6ba18f_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:57:09 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: basic supplies - --part1_a0.2a1889bf.2a6c33d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/2002 10:36:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linuxgrrlv2@yahoo.ca writes: > Ok, I know that this has been already partially dealt > with, but I'm going to ask it again anyways... What > are the most basic supplies necessary to do scribal > work? What 4-5 colours should I have *for sure*? > > paper (bristol board or cold press work best) ink calligraphy pen pencil ruler paint (guache or period pigments are recommended): white red blue yellow black brown (you can mix all your colors from the red, blue and yellow) (others that are good if you can afford them are green, orange and purple) (stay away from metallic and neon colors and stick to primary colors. Try not to get ones that say "hue" on the tube because they are not pure colors and may not mix with other colors quite right to get the color you want) (you can get metallic gold and silver guache if you want to paint it on and not try gold leaf or shell gold. Stay away from metallic pens because they leave pen strokes on the paper that do not look natural and make it obvious that pens were used.) A note on paint: I have found that period pigments (that you can get at Pennsic or via mail order) are actually cheaper than buying Windsor-Newton Guache. They actually blend and paint easier than guache, as well, once you get the hang of how much gum arabic to put in it. (Just a little plug for using period supplies!) Brandy - --part1_a0.2a1889bf.2a6c33d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/20/2002 10:36:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linuxgrrlv2@yahoo.ca writes:

Ok, I know that this has been already partially dealt
with, but I'm going to ask it again anyways... What
are the most basic supplies necessary to do scribal
work? What 4-5 colours should I have *for sure*?

paper (bristol board or cold press work best)
ink
calligraphy pen
pencil
ruler
paint (guache or period pigments are recommended):
      white
      red
      blue
      yellow
      black
      brown
      (you can mix all your colors from the red, blue and yellow)
      (others that are good if you can afford them are green, orange and purple)
      (stay away from metallic and neon colors and stick to primary colors. Try not to get ones that say "hue" on the tube because they are not pure colors and may not mix with other colors quite right to get the color you want) (you can get metallic gold and silver guache if you want to paint it on and not try gold leaf or shell gold. Stay away from metallic pens because they leave pen strokes on the paper that do not look natural and make it obvious that pens were used.)

A note on paint: I have found that period pigments (that you can get at Pennsic or via mail order) are actually cheaper than buying Windsor-Newton Guache. They actually blend and paint easier than guache, as well, once you get the hang of how much gum arabic to put in it. (Just a little plug for using period supplies!)

Brandy - --part1_a0.2a1889bf.2a6c33d5_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:27:41 -0400 From: Jim Helfer Subject: RE: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box > > >This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry my >supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made >those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. Yesterday, I noticed a wooden toolbox for sale at Lowe's [1] for 19.99. It was a bit on the samll side, but it might work for you. Jim H [1] A SuperMegaHardwareHomeImprovementStore chain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #31 ****************************