From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #30 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, July 19 2002 Volume 08 : Number 030 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Fwd: RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) [scribes]: Scroll Covers Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Watercolors and Transparency was Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box [scribes]: Atenveldt seals? Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:50:47 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Fwd: RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders >At 09:27 AM 7/18/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I'd bet this whole issue isn't just an East Kingdom problem, either. :) >>Anyone else have any ideas on the best way to encourage a culture of >>"send it home in a cover, and return the cover later"? Who do we educate >>-- the heralds, the populace, the Crown, Signet? All of the above? > >All of the above. *grin* > >In the Middle Kingdom, a single shire comprised of 12 people made and >donated 65 'fancy' scroll holders of different sizes - and presented them >in Court to Their Majesties *at* Coronation. They made sure in their >presentation to say how they are to be used and kept in circulation. If >you want people to know about it, doing it in a big way at a big event is >a way to help the education along. > >The Herald was aware this was to happen, the Signet was aware that this >was to happen. Both were pleased with the idea. Both Herald and Signet >are doing a pretty good job of keeping them circulating as far as I know. > >However, as beautiful as the covers are that we have in the Middle >Kingdom, I don't see them going out with the scrolls - I think, in part >because they add a lot of bulk to what the person has to carry. Now, if >the event steward, Signet or Herald were to appoint someone to stand at >the back of Court with these covers and hand a cover to the scroll >recipient when the recipient was finished in front of the Crowns, I think >that would help. I saw this *once* at an event and though it a fantastic >thing. > >Smiles, >Despina > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:01:05 EDT From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) - --part1_174.b7d46ad.2a688691_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I want to thanks everyone that wrote me with a supply list, both on the list and by private email. To Lady Kayleigh, Thanks for the idea about a Baronial Scribe's Box. I'm going to do that for our shire. Just picking up a few pieces at a time. > As a gift to my barony for its Investiture this year, I presented Their > Excellencies with a wooden box full of art supplies for the scribe > workshop/scriptorium I run once a month, and for the A&S meetings out east > here in An Dubhaigheainn. << {snip} . << But.... below is the shopping list/inventory inside our box: > > (All of these purchased at Michael's, *not* during a major sale week...) > > 1 Reeves Intro Gouache Set (12 colors).........................$6.99 > 2 Speedball > penholder.......................................................2 @ $1.69 > 1 pad Bristol board, 9" x > 12".............................................$4.86 (sale?) > 2 bottles Higgins Black Magic ink..................................2 @ > $2.99 > 2 sets Loew-Cornell Natural brushes (#2020) ...........2 @ $1.49 (sale?) > 2 sets Speedball C-style nibs............................................2 > @ $3.49 > 1 Speedball Calligraphy set (incl holder & nibs).......$8.49 > 1 set Design Academy (2H) pencils(four)....................$1.79 > 1 small transparent 12" plastic T-square.....................$2.29 > 1 cannister pencil > sharpener...........................................$0.89 > 1 erasing > > > > shield...................................................................$1.00 > > 2 kneaded gum erasers.....................................................2 > @ $0.79 > > TOTAL: $47.21 before tax > > RE: Reeves - it's a better value.... $6.00 for 12 colors, as opposed to > $6.00 for one tube of the same size by Winsor & Newton. Not the same > consistency/thickness, but you get Crimson, Brilliant Red, Lemon Yellow, > Med. Yellow, Yellow Ochre, Leaf Green, Emerald, Blue Lake, Ultramarine, > White, Burnt Sienna, and Black - for the same price as one tube of Winsor & > Newton's Spectrum Red. Today at Michaels' Crafts I found they had a "Back to School Display of Art Supplies" sitting in the front of the store. In the display were the Reeves Gouache Paint Sets - 12 pack for $7 and a 18 pack for $10. I got the 18 piece set plus 2-white erasers and 1- kneaded eraser. I'll prbably pick up a few other things later, I still have 2 weeks to the first class. I already have paper, some brushes and pencils here at the house. I'm up to 14 people on my name list so far. That is much more then I ever thought would be interested. Tamara Trimaris - --part1_174.b7d46ad.2a688691_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

I want to thanks everyone that wrote me with a supply list, both on the list and by private email.

To Lady Kayleigh, Thanks for the idea about a Baronial Scribe's Box.  I'm going to do that for our shire.  Just picking up a few pieces at a time.


As a gift to my barony for its Investiture this year, I presented Their Excellencies with a wooden box full of art supplies for the scribe workshop/scriptorium I run once a month, and for the A&S meetings out east here in An Dubhaigheainn.

<<   {snip} .
<< But.... below is the shopping list/inventory inside our box:

(All of these purchased at Michael's, *not* during a major sale week...)

1 Reeves Intro Gouache Set (12 colors).........................$6.99
2 Speedball penholder.......................................................2 @ $1.69
1 pad Bristol board, 9" x 12".............................................$4.86 (sale?)
2 bottles Higgins Black Magic ink..................................2 @ $2.99
2 sets Loew-Cornell Natural brushes (#2020) ...........2 @ $1.49 (sale?)
2 sets Speedball C-style nibs............................................2 @ $3.49
1 Speedball Calligraphy set (incl holder & nibs).......$8.49
1 set Design Academy (2H) pencils(four)....................$1.79
1 small transparent 12" plastic T-square.....................$2.29
1 cannister pencil sharpener...........................................$0.89
1 erasing shield...................................................................$1.00
2 kneaded gum erasers.....................................................2 @ $0.79

TOTAL:  $47.21 before tax



RE: Reeves - it's a better value.... $6.00 for 12 colors, as opposed to $6.00 for one tube of the same size by Winsor & Newton. Not the same consistency/thickness, but you get Crimson, Brilliant Red, Lemon Yellow, Med. Yellow, Yellow Ochre, Leaf Green, Emerald, Blue Lake, Ultramarine, White, Burnt Sienna, and Black - for the same price as one tube of Winsor & Newton's Spectrum Red.






Today at Michaels' Crafts I found they had a "Back to School Display of Art Supplies" sitting in the front of the store.  In the display were the Reeves Gouache Paint Sets - 12 pack for $7 and a 18 pack for $10. I got the 18 piece set  plus 2-white erasers and 1- kneaded eraser.  I'll prbably pick up a few other  things later,  I still have 2 weeks to the first class.  I already have paper, some brushes and pencils here at the house.

I'm up to 14 people on my name list so far. That is much more then I ever thought would be interested.

Tamara
Trimaris


 - --part1_174.b7d46ad.2a688691_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:09:28 -0400 From: Lucianadi@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Scroll Covers Greetings! Here in Caid, we have a new practice of providing scroll covers (folios) when original scrolls are presented at 5 major events throughout the year. The folios are made by the Caidan College of Scribes. They're made of heavy matte board and gaffer's tape. They're hinged like a book cover with the tape. The inside back cover has a matte board "pocket" with an opening (like a frame) for viewing the scroll. Again, gaffer's tape id used to secure 3 of the sides. The 4th side is left open. This allows the folio to be opened up like a tent for horizontal scrolls or stand up like a book for vertical scrolls for display puposes. The recipients pick up their scrolls at the end of the event and transport them safely home. The empty folios are returned to the Scribe Armarius at a later date. This has been extremely popular both for displaying and for safe transport. The majority of the folios have been returned promptly and in good condition. I make the appropriate announcents at court, and instruct the recipients as they pick up their scrolls. Folios also have labels which request return and warn the recipients that the matte board is not archival and is not intended for long term storage. So far it works! Luciana DiCarlo Scribe Armarius Caidis =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:25:52 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) In a message dated Thu, 18 Jul 2002 4:01:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, PDRUSS writes: > Greetings, > > I want to thanks everyone that wrote me with a supply list, both on the list and by private email. > > To Lady Kayleigh, Thanks for the idea about a Baronial Scribe's Box. I'm going to do that for our shire. Just picking up a few pieces at a time. > > > > As a gift to my barony for its Investiture this year, I presented Their Excellencies with a wooden box full of art supplies for the scribe workshop/scriptorium I run once a month, and for the A&S meetings out east here in An Dubhaigheainn. > (snip) > > Today at Michaels' Crafts I found they had a "Back to School Display of Art Supplies" sitting in the front of the store. In the display were the Reeves Gouache Paint Sets - 12 pack for $7 and a 18 pack for $10. I got the 18 piece set plus 2-white erasers and 1- kneaded eraser. I'll prbably pick up a few other things later, I still have 2 weeks to the first class. I already have paper, some brushes and pencils here at the house. > > I'm up to 14 people on my name list so far. That is much > more then I ever thought would be interested. > > Tamara > Trimaris Excellent! I hope it goes well down there - I generally use the kneaded gum erasers because there's nearly no shavings left behind and they don't damage the paper so much... though white ones are also good. I've also recently taken an affection toward the Plaid carrying cases - it doesn't look medieval, but it holds all of my stuff (about 3 tubes gouache per holder on the inside flap, where 1 bottle acrylic is supposed to go) and carries along like a large black pocketbook. The initial box I bought for the barony broke a couple of weeks ago, and was pretty clunky... the small hinges fell apart. I've often thought of how to medievalize a carrying case, after using a small "caboodles" clear lucite box with a handle for a year or so. The Plaid one works better... but if I ever saw a merchant or knew how to stitch up some good leather into something that looks like a messenger's bag, I'd have it in my posession in a heartbeat. I don't know how they stored their materials back then, but it's certainly something I'm curious about. (I don't think they toted them around with them nearly as much as we do?) In any event, good luck with the collection! Hope the classes work out well for you! :) - --Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:05:25 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Considering that there aren't always piles of covers around over here in East and what happened the one time I made the "book" style cover, that Xerox doc-it folio went to a recipient after I caught up with her myself, in-person. I believe it went to Prudence the Curious, another scribe here in East, when she got her Queen's Order of Courtesy - the scroll was 8"x10", the plastic folder was large enough to hold just that size... but the only way I had insurance that she'd get a covering for it was by going out to the car with her to pass it off to her there. One of the locals here, Petrus the Sylvan, my barony's Seneschal, mentioned to me that he has "snowflake damage" on a scroll he received some years back... Apparently it was snowing after the event, and a flake or two hit the scroll as he was leaving for the night. Repairing the piece shouldn't be so hard, if I ever get around to it, but this might not have happened if he had received a protective casing for it before leaving the site. ...Which reminds me of that story about the squire curling up his knighting scroll and shoving it into a back pocket.... (*wince*) Maybe if the royals had handed a bend-proof covering for it, he might not have treated/damaged the scroll like that? (*still wincing at the mental image*) One good thing I have found, however, is that by seeing other scribes' modes of protecting their work, I've been inspired to follow suit. I was the courier for Mistress Paigan's GOA/Investiture scroll, and in seeing the matte, the cardboard backing, and the paper shopping bag large enough to cover the whole thing, it's since had me giving more thought to protecting my own stuff when I can, before "releasing it to the wild." The most recent piece is a 12" x 16" submission for my first Pennsic A&S display. Before leaving the office one night last week, the skies opened up, and I grabbed the nearest thing I could - a medium FedEx Box. Flattened, it covers the entire thing, save for where the flaps are cut - which is still pretty good. Best of all, like the Express Mail boxes mentioned previously, they're free of charge. ==--->Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" Barony of An Dubuggin' ;) East E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) Our local baronial scribes guildmistress, Kris Gilibari, made a color chart using the Reeves, and found that it actually faded while inside a dark box! Her suggestion is Loews-Cornell water colors; you can get a box of 18 for under $10. These will be available at the beginners scribe track of classes at the War this year. Kris is one of the teachers, and she says each participant will take home a decent kit of supplies. My own method of supplying beginners is to squeeze a bit of my winsor Newton gouaches into a 6-pit pallette, using a variety of the appropriate colors. Since it's all reconstitutable, it lets the painter try out some of my favorite paint without spending an arm, a leg, and their first born child on it. Graidhne On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 PDRUSS@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, > > I want to thanks everyone that wrote me with a supply list, both on the list > and by private email. > > To Lady Kayleigh, Thanks for the idea about a Baronial Scribe's Box. I'm > going to do that for our shire. Just picking up a few pieces at a time. > > > > As a gift to my barony for its Investiture this year, I presented Their > > Excellencies with a wooden box full of art supplies for the scribe > > workshop/scriptorium I run once a month, and for the A&S meetings out east > > here in An Dubhaigheainn. > << {snip} . > << But.... below is the shopping list/inventory inside our box: > > > > (All of these purchased at Michael's, *not* during a major sale week...) > > > > 1 Reeves Intro Gouache Set (12 colors).........................$6.99 > > 2 Speedball > > penholder.......................................................2 @ $1.69 > > 1 pad Bristol board, 9" x > > 12".............................................$4.86 (sale?) > > 2 bottles Higgins Black Magic ink..................................2 @ > > $2.99 > > 2 sets Loew-Cornell Natural brushes (#2020) ...........2 @ $1.49 (sale?) > > 2 sets Speedball C-style nibs............................................2 > > @ $3.49 > > 1 Speedball Calligraphy set (incl holder & nibs).......$8.49 > > 1 set Design Academy (2H) pencils(four)....................$1.79 > > 1 small transparent 12" plastic T-square.....................$2.29 > > 1 cannister pencil > > sharpener...........................................$0.89 > > 1 erasing > > > > > > > > shield...................................................................$1.00 > > > > 2 kneaded gum erasers.....................................................2 > > @ $0.79 > > > > TOTAL: $47.21 before tax > > > > > RE: Reeves - it's a better value.... $6.00 for 12 colors, as opposed to > > $6.00 for one tube of the same size by Winsor & Newton. Not the same > > consistency/thickness, but you get Crimson, Brilliant Red, Lemon Yellow, > > Med. Yellow, Yellow Ochre, Leaf Green, Emerald, Blue Lake, Ultramarine, > > White, Burnt Sienna, and Black - for the same price as one tube of Winsor & > > Newton's Spectrum Red. > > > > > > Today at Michaels' Crafts I found they had a "Back to School Display of Art > Supplies" sitting in the front of the store. In the display were the Reeves > Gouache Paint Sets - 12 pack for $7 and a 18 pack for $10. I got the 18 piece > set plus 2-white erasers and 1- kneaded eraser. I'll prbably pick up a few > other things later, I still have 2 weeks to the first class. I already > have paper, some brushes and pencils here at the house. > > I'm up to 14 people on my name list so far. That is much more then I ever > thought would be interested. > > Tamara > Trimaris > > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:58:22 -0700 From: Shelly Taranoff Subject: Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) - --=====================_740438==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:18 AM 7/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >Our local baronial scribes guildmistress, Kris Gilibari, made a color >chart using the Reeves, and found that it actually faded while inside a >dark box! Wow, really! I made a chart of them and put it in direct sunlight for two weeks and had no fading at all. Maybe they are contrary.... ;-) > Her suggestion is Loews-Cornell water colors; you can get a box >of 18 for under $10. These will be available at the beginners scribe >track of classes at the War this year. Kris is one of the teachers, and >she says each participant will take home a decent kit of supplies. The only problem with w/c is that they are too transparent... >My own method of supplying beginners is to squeeze a bit of my winsor >Newton gouaches into a 6-pit pallette, using a variety of the appropriate >colors. Since it's all reconstitutable, it lets the painter try out some >of my favorite paint without spending an arm, a leg, and their first born >child on it. > >Graidhne Lady Tegan of Conwy Dragons Mist Pale Horse mka Shelly Taranoff Canby, Oregon - --=====================_740438==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 10:18 AM 7/19/02 -0400, you wrote:
Our local baronial scribes guildmistress, Kris Gilibari, made a color
chart using the Reeves, and found that it actually faded while inside a
dark box!

Wow, really! I made a chart of them and put it in direct sunlight for two weeks and had no fading at all. Maybe they are contrary.... ;-)

  Her suggestion is Loews-Cornell water colors; you can get a box
of 18 for under $10.  These will be available at the beginners scribe
track of classes at the War this year.  Kris is one of the teachers, and
she says each participant will take home a decent kit of supplies.

The only problem with w/c is that they are too transparent...


My own method of supplying beginners is to squeeze a bit of my winsor
Newton gouaches into a 6-pit pallette, using a variety of the appropriate
colors.  Since it's all reconstitutable, it lets the painter try out some
of my favorite paint without spending an arm, a leg, and their first born
child on it.

Graidhne

Lady Tegan of Conwy
Dragons Mist
Pale Horse

mka Shelly Taranoff
Canby, Oregon
 - --=====================_740438==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry my supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. My problem with most containers I've seen is that I can't fit a bottle of ink in them, at least not upright. And the craft-type carrying cases are usually some violent shade of purple or pink, making them somewhat less-than-useful in a medieval context. Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way that doesn't involve advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is that the container has to fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given that I'm in Caid, and Pennsic is, well, not. I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but I'm kind of stuck on the copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want to fold them, even if they are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions? Martha Darach, Caid Two more weeks! Two more weeks! (The PU class schedule is Evil(TM). What's with holding the advanced scribal track at the ungodly hour of 9 a.m.? And why do all the best classes have to conflict with each other?) - --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > I hope it goes well down there - I generally use the kneaded gum erasers > because there's nearly no shavings left behind and they don't damage the > paper so much... though white ones are also good. I've also recently taken an > affection toward the Plaid carrying cases - it doesn't look medieval, but it > holds all of my stuff (about 3 tubes gouache per holder on the inside flap, > where 1 bottle acrylic is supposed to go) and carries along like a large > black pocketbook. The initial box I bought for the barony broke a couple of > weeks ago, and was pretty clunky... the small hinges fell apart. > > I've often thought of how to medievalize a carrying case, after using a small > "caboodles" clear lucite box with a handle for a year or so. The Plaid one > works better... but if I ever saw a merchant or knew how to stitch up some > good leather into something that looks like a messenger's bag, I'd have it in > my posession in a heartbeat. I don't know how they stored their materials > back then, but it's certainly something I'm curious about. (I don't think > they toted them around with them nearly as much as we do?) > > In any event, good luck with the collection! Hope the classes work out well > for you! :) > > > --Kayleigh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Annais de Montgomerie Subject: Watercolors and Transparency was Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) - --- Shelly Taranoff wrote: > At 10:18 AM 7/19/02 -0400, you wrote: > The only problem with w/c is that they are too > transparent... > > >Graidhne > > Lady Tegan of Conwy > Dragons Mist > Pale Horse > > mka Shelly Taranoff > Canby, Oregon > Well, yes, watercolors are transparent. This is what gives your finished piece "life" and "depth". And helps it look like what you are trying to recreate. I have found that if you use watercolors, you can layer them in thin washes and they won't be so transparent. Or you can layer 2 to 3 slighty thicker layers on top of each other and that will work fine too. You still get good coverage and the paper won't show from beneath. It may take a bit more time than using one layer of gouache, but I prefer the looks of watercolor over the flatness of gouache (it just looks like poster paint to me). Just my thoughts. Hugs, Annais __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box I'll ask Robert of Coldcastle to bring his scribal suitcase with him to Pennsic. It is a hand-crafted leather carrying case with a leather shoulder strap with removable "drawers" to hold several layers of stuff. It is way cool, and he won it in a "backlogged scroll" competition in Calontir. I can contact the original artisan and see if he's willing to go back into production. Graidhne On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Martha Palotay wrote: > This brings up a subject I'm struggling with presently: what to use to carry my > supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general too.) I wish they made > those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. > > My problem with most containers I've seen is that I can't fit a bottle of ink > in them, at least not upright. And the craft-type carrying cases are usually > some violent shade of purple or pink, making them somewhat less-than-useful in > a medieval context. > > Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way that doesn't involve > advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is that the container has to > fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given that I'm in Caid, and Pennsic > is, well, not. > > I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but I'm kind of stuck on the > copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want to fold them, even if they > are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions? > > Martha > Darach, Caid > Two more weeks! Two more weeks! > (The PU class schedule is Evil(TM). What's with holding the advanced scribal > track at the ungodly hour of 9 a.m.? And why do all the best classes have to > conflict with each other?) > > --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > > I hope it goes well down there - I generally use the kneaded gum erasers > > because there's nearly no shavings left behind and they don't damage the > > paper so much... though white ones are also good. I've also recently taken an > > affection toward the Plaid carrying cases - it doesn't look medieval, but it > > holds all of my stuff (about 3 tubes gouache per holder on the inside flap, > > where 1 bottle acrylic is supposed to go) and carries along like a large > > black pocketbook. The initial box I bought for the barony broke a couple of > > weeks ago, and was pretty clunky... the small hinges fell apart. > > > > I've often thought of how to medievalize a carrying case, after using a small > > "caboodles" clear lucite box with a handle for a year or so. The Plaid one > > works better... but if I ever saw a merchant or knew how to stitch up some > > good leather into something that looks like a messenger's bag, I'd have it in > > my posession in a heartbeat. I don't know how they stored their materials > > back then, but it's certainly something I'm curious about. (I don't think > > they toted them around with them nearly as much as we do?) > > > > In any event, good luck with the collection! Hope the classes work out well > > for you! :) > > > > > > --Kayleigh > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:03:18 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box > And the craft-type carrying cases are usually some violent shade of > purple or pink, making them somewhat less-than-useful in a medieval context. > >Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way that doesn't involve >advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is that the container has >to fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given that I'm in Caid, and >Pennsic is, well, not. Cloth! *grin* Make a slip-cover for your box in a lovely fabric. Smiles, Despina - ---------- WARNING: Dates on the calendar are closer than they appear! =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:02:15 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: [scribes]: Atenveldt seals? I know we've discussed this before but I didn't keep the thread: Does the Kingdom of Atenveldt seal their scrolls on a regular basis? Or do they do something else? The reason I'm asking is that I've spent a couple of evenings this week getting some stuff matted up for framing. One of the items is an award of arms scroll for a friend of mine, which was awarded in Atenveldt. The scroll was never sealed (for that matter, it never had its pencil markings erased either but that's easy enough to take care of). I'd like to get it sealed before I finish matting it, if Atenveldt does that as a matter of course with their scrolls. If not, what does Atenveldt do? Just leave them blank? Btw, the Aten scribes didn't do this scroll - it was done by someone here in Caid. Tetchubah, Caid Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Annais de Montgomerie Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box A scribal friend of mine has a tackle box that is hunter green and beige. It's made by Plano and she got it at Wal-Mart for around $30.00 (Ansteorran). It's pretty big, but it holds all her schtuff. And it has a compartment on the right side deep enough to hold bottles of ink upright. Then it has like 4 or 5 drawers in the front with adjustable compartments for brushes and pens and nibs and paint and palettes and dern near everything you need to carry except scrollage. It's a pretty decent size. And it seems to be working out rather nicely. If you can get around the fact that it's plastic and doesn't look "medieval", then you might consider getting one. At least it's not neon purple. :) Just a thought. Hugs! Annais - --- Martha Palotay wrote: > This brings up a subject I'm struggling with > presently: what to use to carry my > supplies. (To Pennsic, most urgently, but in general > too.) I wish they made > those ubiquitous plastic toolboxes in wood. > > My problem with most containers I've seen is that I > can't fit a bottle of ink > in them, at least not upright. And the craft-type > carrying cases are usually > some violent shade of purple or pink, making them > somewhat less-than-useful in > a medieval context. > > Has anyone solved this problem, preferably in a way > that doesn't involve > advanced woodworking skills? My other constraint is > that the container has to > fit in a suitcase with lots of other junk, given > that I'm in Caid, and Pennsic > is, well, not. > > I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but > I'm kind of stuck on the > copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want > to fold them, even if they > are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions? > > Martha > Darach, Caid > Two more weeks! Two more weeks! > (The PU class schedule is Evil(TM). What's with > holding the advanced scribal > track at the ungodly hour of 9 a.m.? And why do all > the best classes have to > conflict with each other?) > > --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > > I hope it goes well down there - I generally use > the kneaded gum erasers > > because there's nearly no shavings left behind and > they don't damage the > > paper so much... though white ones are also good. > I've also recently taken an > > affection toward the Plaid carrying cases - it > doesn't look medieval, but it > > holds all of my stuff (about 3 tubes gouache per > holder on the inside flap, > > where 1 bottle acrylic is supposed to go) and > carries along like a large > > black pocketbook. The initial box I bought for the > barony broke a couple of > > weeks ago, and was pretty clunky... the small > hinges fell apart. > > > > I've often thought of how to medievalize a > carrying case, after using a small > > "caboodles" clear lucite box with a handle for a > year or so. The Plaid one > > works better... but if I ever saw a merchant or > knew how to stitch up some > > good leather into something that looks like a > messenger's bag, I'd have it in > > my posession in a heartbeat. I don't know how they > stored their materials > > back then, but it's certainly something I'm > curious about. (I don't think > > they toted them around with them nearly as much as > we do?) > > > > In any event, good luck with the collection! Hope > the classes work out well > > for you! :) > > > > > > --Kayleigh > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any > additional text in > the body. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:42:41 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Inside the baronial box > I'm also trying to put together my portfolio, but I'm kind of stuck on the > copies that are larger than 8 1/2 x 11. I don't want to fold them, even if they > are 'just' color copies. Any suggestions? You gonna be at Pennsic? I can show you what I use. I mostly work in 11' x 14" format when I do scrolls. I use an 11" x 14" presentation case that I bought at a local art store here. Try shopping around at the various on-line art supply stores for something similar. This makes my work easily portable to events and it's very sturdy. It's an idea that might help you out and you would not have to fold your copies, something I wouldn't dream of doing! See you at Pennsic, if you're going! Hey, when's that Scribal Tea at Midrealm Royal again? (I want to be sure to mark my War calendar!) ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #30 ****************************