From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #29 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, July 18 2002 Volume 08 : Number 029 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? [scribes]: Reeves et al Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) [scribes]: Casein Colors RE: [scribes]: Source for inexpensive art supplies [scribes]: to Greg young / Jocelyn pos. virus? [scribes]: Beads Re: Re: [scribes]: gems Re: [scribes]: to Greg young / Jocelyn pos. virus? [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Re: [scribes]: Making a burnisher Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders [scribes]: scroll covers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:41:43 EDT From: IroadkillI@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? - --part1_184.b1493fd.2a660937_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/02 2:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ESTAVASH@cs.com writes: > I remember one of my books (I think by DeHamel, I'll have to check) had an > illumination that showed a pair of scribes working, and one was female. The > commentary said something about this being a depiction of a husband/wife > team of illuminators, but I'll have to check on whether this was > speculation or fact. > > The Book is Image on the Edge, The margins of medieval art by Michael Camille Page 147 "Richart and Jeanne de Montbaston, illuminators. Roman de la rose. Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris The text is as follows " Richart and Jeanne de Montbastion were just such a husband and wife team of illuminators who worked under the jurisdiction of the University of Paris. They portrayed themselves at work in the margins of a Roman de la Rose manuscript, where their division of labour is made clear. At the right Richard writes the text, hanging up the gatherings on a rack to dry, while on the other side his wife Jeanne paints the images. There are numerous other documents attesting to the involvement of women in the Paris book trade, both as illuminators and as the libraires who organized the work of others and ran shops. From a manuscript documented as having been illuminated by Richart in 1348 we can trace the many products of this couple, and learn how Jeanne continued her husband's business after his death, swearing her oath as libraire, or bookseller, before the University in 1353. Paul Jacksonville Fl iroadkilli@aol.com Outside a dog a book is man's best friend, inside a dog its to dark to read. G Marx - --part1_184.b1493fd.2a660937_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/02 2:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ESTAVASH@cs.com writes:

I remember one of my books (I think by DeHamel, I'll have to check) had an illumination that showed a pair of scribes working, and one was female. The commentary said something about this being a depiction of a husband/wife team of illuminators, but I'll have to check on whether this was speculation or fact.

The Book is Image on the Edge, The margins of medieval art by Michael Camille Page 147 "Richart and Jeanne de Montbaston, illuminators. Roman de la rose. Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris

The text is as follows " Richart and Jeanne de Montbastion were just such a husband and wife team of illuminators who worked under the jurisdiction of the University of Paris. They portrayed themselves at work in the margins of a Roman de la Rose manuscript, where their division of labour is made clear. At the right Richard writes the text, hanging up the gatherings on a rack to dry, while on the other side his wife Jeanne paints the images. There are numerous other documents attesting to the involvement of women in the Paris book trade, both as illuminators and as the libraires who organized the work of others and ran shops. From a manuscript documented as having been illuminated by Richart in 1348 we can trace the many products of this couple, and learn how Jeanne continued her husband's business after his death, swearing her oath as libraire, or bookseller, before the University in 1353.

Paul
Jacksonville Fl
iroadkilli@aol.com

Outside a dog a book is man's best friend, inside a dog its to dark to read. G Marx - --part1_184.b1493fd.2a660937_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:39:46 -0700 From: Shelly Taranoff Subject: [scribes]: Reeves et al - --=====================_9407904==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Greetings... on the Reeves sets. You should be able to pick up the 18 tube set for about $10. They do have their uses. They are made for W/N and marketed under the Reeves name. There is also another brand of Gouache out there that is the same quality as W/N, but can be found at a lesser price as they are made in the US. They are M Graham and are made by a company in West Linn, Oregon. (or at least the company is in West Linn... ) Don't be 'afeared' of using them or spending your hard earned cash on them ... they are good. Lady Tegan of Conwy Dragons Mist Pale Horse mka Shelly Taranoff Canby, Oregon - --=====================_9407904==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Greetings...

on the Reeves sets. You should be able to pick up the 18 tube set for about $10. They do have their uses. They are made for W/N and marketed under the Reeves name.

There is also another brand of Gouache out there that is the same quality as W/N, but can be found at a lesser price as they are made in the US. They are M Graham and are made by a company in West Linn, Oregon. (or at least the company is in West Linn... ) Don't be 'afeared' of using them or spending your hard earned cash on them ... they are good.

Lady Tegan of Conwy
Dragons Mist
Pale Horse

mka Shelly Taranoff
Canby, Oregon
- --=====================_9407904==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:18:33 -0400 From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" Subject: Re: [scribes]: (*Long*) Inside the Baronial Box (was Supply List) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C22D16.B8FD1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and for the upcoming illumination night (tomorrow) I plan on bringing = with me spare Chinese food containers (with lids) for water and extra = pallets (I only have 2 pallets of my own to share). << If any of your scribes have babies on formula, the lids from the cans = make great palettes. I save them all. (I'm also building up quite a = collection of baby food jars!) Laurensa - ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C22D16.B8FD1780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

and for the upcoming illumination night = (tomorrow) I plan=20 on bringing with me spare Chinese food containers (with lids) = for water=20 and extra pallets (I only have 2 pallets of my own to share).=20 <<

If any of your scribes have babies on formula, the = lids from=20 the cans make great palettes. I save them all. (I'm also = building up=20 quite a collection of baby food jars!)

Laurensa

- ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C22D16.B8FD1780-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:33:30 -0600 From: Greg Young/Jocelyn Wirth Subject: [scribes]: Casein Colors Greetings all, While on my way home from WW IX, I stopped in Minneapolis and picked up a basic set of 6 tubes of Signa-Sein Casein Colors. Now, other than knowing that this is a 'medieval' formula of milk paint, I know nothing about this stuff. Any advice? Ainesleah ***************************************************************************** Mistress Hermina Matilda de Ainesleah of Meredene, OL Member # 19216 HL Robin Arthur Kyrke, Esq., Forester and Sargent Member # 28653 Barony of Castel Rouge Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Jocelyn Wirth and Greg Young excalibr@gatewest.net ****************************************************************************** =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:48:03 -0600 From: Greg Young/Jocelyn Wirth Subject: RE: [scribes]: Source for inexpensive art supplies >Thanks for sharing the site with us-- they do seem to have some nice >things. Has anyone out there tried Lukas gouache? The price is certainly >appealing... > >Ellen >Artemisia I've used Lukas Gouaches - I like them, even though they have a tendancy to be a little grainy at times. And the price can't be beat, even here in Canada. The few scribal get-togethers that we've had, I've brought them out for folks to use, as an alternative to Reeves. As for the Reeves - they come in both watercolor and gouache - I have both and still use them on occasion, even though I now prefer MaimeriBlu and M. Graham brands. Ainesleah ***************************************************************************** Mistress Hermina Matilda de Ainesleah of Meredene, OL Member # 19216 HL Robin Arthur Kyrke, Esq., Forester and Sargent Member # 28653 Barony of Castel Rouge Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Jocelyn Wirth and Greg Young excalibr@gatewest.net ****************************************************************************** =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:13:20 -0700 From: ren.touch@juno.com Subject: [scribes]: to Greg young / Jocelyn pos. virus? Sorry to use the band width i did not catch the addy. before deleting . but my Juno froze when your 2 message came in this has happened before on scribes list might be a format thing not sure . but could be worth checking out . thank you . we now return you to things scribal. Johann F ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:12:37 -0700 From: Subject: [scribes]: Beads This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C22D15.E4FE4F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you to everyone that sent me such wonderful ideas. I have found = what I am going to use; my Lord did a casting of soapstone and pewter, = and he has made me a token. It is a quill pen, and will work quite well = for what I need.=20 Thanks again for all of your help and suggestions; I really appreciate = the outpouring of replies I received! Baroness Katya in Raudhara An Tir - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C22D15.E4FE4F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you to everyone that sent me such = wonderful=20 ideas. I have found what I am going to use; my Lord did a casting of = soapstone=20 and pewter, and he has made me a token. It is a quill pen, and will work = quite=20 well for what I need.

Thanks again for all of your help and = suggestions;=20 I really appreciate the outpouring of replies I received!

Baroness Katya=20 in Raudhara

An Tir

- ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C22D15.E4FE4F30-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:53:06 -0500 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: Re: Re: [scribes]: gems If you get the opportunity, look at real pearls and keep a couple (even cheap mostly round fresh-water ones) near your work area. Most pearls have pink, or green, or yellow in them and adding a bit of colour can add another dimension to them. Cheers, Gwendoline (who has worked as a jewellery design illustrator...) At 01:36 PM 7/9/2002 -0400, susanart@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > If anyone posted the info about painting gems and pearls, I missed it. > > > > Could you send it to me by private email? > >Heck, no! Post it out here for all of us to see! I know how I paint gems >but am not completely satisfied with the result. Mine look too solid, not >transparent. I can do pearls fine, but not the clear ones. > >Pearls-- I paint the whole thing white. I decide where the light is coming >from. On the opposite side from the light source I add shadows-- depending >on the size of the pearl, one to three different shades of darkness, with >the darkest being at the far edge, shading to the lightest shadow near the >highlight. > >Lucia >If anyone posted the info about painting gems and pearls, I missed it. > >Could you send it to me by private email? > >Thanks, Tamara >pdruss@aol.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:37:14 -0600 From: Greg Young/Jocelyn Wirth Subject: Re: [scribes]: to Greg young / Jocelyn pos. virus? Greetings all, I'm replying to the list on this... >Sorry to use the band width i did not catch the addy. before deleting . >but my Juno froze when your 2 message came in >this has happened before on scribes list might be a format thing not >sure . >but could be worth checking out . >thank you . >we now return you to things scribal. >Johann F Don't worry - not a virus - we use a Mac for that very reason. However, you're not the first person with Juno to contact us about this. We use Eudora Light, and are sending plain text - nothing fancy, no pictures, etc. Just thought you'd like to know. Ainesleah ***************************************************************************** Mistress Hermina Matilda de Ainesleah of Meredene, OL Member # 19216 HL Robin Arthur Kyrke, Esq., Forester and Sargent Member # 28653 Barony of Castel Rouge Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Jocelyn Wirth and Greg Young excalibr@gatewest.net ****************************************************************************** =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:33:47 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders - --part1_1ac.539863f.2a67911b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I have some 3 ply bristol board (left over from a bookbinding project) that would make excellent folders for protecting scrolls. I know that there are some kingdoms already use such covers when giving a scroll away. I am not aware of this being done in the East. I am wondering if those of you familiar with this practice have any idea what the return rate is - how many of these make it back to the Signet's (kingdom scribe) office? I also wondered what East kingdom scribes thought about such a practice getting started. I am happy to make a few, but if they are not going to get used or seem like a bad idea from the start I will just get started on a new scroll & forget about this idea. Thanks for any insights you care to share. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_1ac.539863f.2a67911b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

I have some 3 ply bristol board (left over from a bookbinding project) that would make excellent folders for protecting scrolls. I know that there are some kingdoms already use such covers when giving a scroll away. I am not aware of this being done in the East.

I am wondering if those of you familiar with this practice have any idea what the return rate is - how many of these make it back to the Signet's (kingdom scribe) office? I also wondered what East kingdom scribes thought about such a practice getting started. I am happy to make a few, but if they are not going to get used or seem like a bad idea from the start I will just get started on a new scroll & forget about this idea.

Thanks for any insights you care to share.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_1ac.539863f.2a67911b_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:17:04 -0500 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: Re: [scribes]: Making a burnisher Interestingly enough, there is an article in the current issue of "Lapidary Journal" on how to make agate burnishing tools. It seems (at a quick glance) to be similar in method to the article below. Cheers, Gwendoline At 11:11 AM 7/11/2002 -0400, Randy Asplund wrote: >Hi fellow scribes! > >I just loaded up my article on making a gilding burnisher out of cheap, >common materials. You can find it at: >http://randyasplund.com/browse/medieval/burnisher.html > >There are also other articles there on several different things from >making braise & Chausses to a new one on making helm crests. The helm >crest article has lots of pictures of crests on it from manuscript >illuminations, so if you are doing a scroll with an achievement on it, >this is still a good thing to take a look at. > >RanthulfR =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:37:16 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders - --part1_a5.2a59d22c.2a679ffc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sarra! I've tried making my own scroll protectors out of matte board previously, even had a nice one with a long purple ribbon threaded through holes punched in the base to create a sort of "book" for them to rest in, but never received the thing back. Since then I've resorted to the occasional $50 cent Xerox folio (the translucent ones in the funky colors) whenever I could - sometimes the scrolls are completed at the last minute, and after running off to the scanner and Kinko's, there hasn't been much time to consider a covering other than the portfolio I carry my scrolls in (which won't be given up). It would certainly be nice, however, if the coverings were made available at RP's, or a collection of them was created. :) - --Kayleigh In a message dated 7/17/02 11:35:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Floriligeum@aol.com writes: > Greetings, > > I have some 3 ply bristol board (left over from a bookbinding project) that > would make excellent folders for protecting scrolls. I know that there are > some kingdoms already use such covers when giving a scroll away. I am not > aware of this being done in the East. > > I am wondering if those of you familiar with this practice have any idea > what the return rate is - how many of these make it back to the Signet's > (kingdom scribe) office? I also wondered what East kingdom scribes thought > about such a practice getting started. I am happy to make a few, but if > they are not going to get used or seem like a bad idea from the start I > will just get started on a new scroll & forget about this idea. > > Thanks for any insights you care to share. > > Yours in service, > > Sarra the Lymner > > Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom > MKA Sarah Dressler > Sarra's Florilegium > www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com > - --part1_a5.2a59d22c.2a679ffc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sarra!

I've tried making my own scroll protectors out of matte board previously, even had a nice one with a long purple ribbon threaded through holes punched in the base to create a sort of "book" for them to rest in, but never received the thing back. Since then I've resorted to the occasional $50 cent Xerox folio (the translucent ones in the funky colors) whenever I could - sometimes the scrolls are completed at the last minute, and after running off to the scanner and Kinko's, there hasn't been much time to consider a covering other than the portfolio I carry my scrolls in (which won't be given up).

It would certainly be nice, however, if the coverings were made available at RP's, or a collection of them was created. :)

--Kayleigh

In a message dated 7/17/02 11:35:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Floriligeum@aol.com writes:

Greetings,

I have some 3 ply bristol board (left over from a bookbinding project) that would make excellent folders for protecting scrolls. I know that there are some kingdoms already use such covers when giving a scroll away. I am not aware of this being done in the East.

I am wondering if those of you familiar with this practice have any idea what the return rate is - how many of these make it back to the Signet's (kingdom scribe) office? I also wondered what East kingdom scribes thought about such a practice getting started. I am happy to make a few, but if they are not going to get used or seem like a bad idea from the start I will just get started on a new scroll & forget about this idea.

Thanks for any insights you care to share.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

- --part1_a5.2a59d22c.2a679ffc_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:52:43 -0500 (CDT) From: hornburg amy lynn Subject: Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders Basically, if one makes a two sided pillow case style enclosure, with the center being the 'bend' and inserts two pieces of plywood, then sews the open ends of the pillow case together, it makes a great scroll cover. Adding ribbon 'holders' at the corners of the case makes it more difficult for the scroll to fall out. Just how I do it. The idea is not that the scribe gets the cover back, but that the kingdom signet gets them back to redistribute them among the scribes for transport of scrolls. Smiles, Despina de la if this isn't clear, I'll post a better description in the morning but right now I'm going to bed. Let me know if a better description is needed. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:34:44 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C22DFB.4B812030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been hoping this would happen in the East for many years now... it may take some convincing and reminding to make this happen. I always send my scrolls in a protective cardboard envelope, with the hope that said envelope be given to the recipient along with the scroll. I'm not saying that it's never happened, just that I've = never actually *seen* it happen. Sigh.=20 Maybe you could print up some "instruction" sheets to attach to the folders explaining what is to be done with them.=20 Good luck! Chiara - ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C22DFB.4B812030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been = hoping this would=20 happen in the East for many years now...

it may take = some convincing and=20 reminding to make this happen.

I always send = my scrolls in a=20 protective cardboard envelope, with

the hope that = said envelope be=20 given to the recipient along with

the scroll. I'm = not saying that=20 it's never happened, just that I've never

actually *seen* = it happen.=20 Sigh.

Maybe you could print up some = "instruction" sheets=20 to attach to the

folders explaining what is to be done = with them.=20

Good luck!

Chiara

- ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C22DFB.4B812030-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:27:55 -0400 From: "Christopher Bogs" Subject: RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders >>I've been hoping this would happen in the East for many years now... it may take some convincing and reminding to make this happen. I always send my scrolls in a protective cardboard envelope, with the hope that said envelope be given to the recipient along with the scroll. I'm not saying that it's never happened, just that I've never actually *seen* it happen. Sigh. << I've been thinking about putting some fabric-covered covers together, as I've heard mentioned on this list. Part of the reason I haven't done anything about it yet is that although the scrolls come to an event carefully protected against the elements, the protective measures seem to end up in the herald's area and don't get back to the recipients, let alone back to Signet, and I don't know if making them "fancy" would help any. We could go to all that effort and lose them all in one event. :sigh: At Quest, the recipient of my scroll and I ended up raiding the pile of envelopes after court trying to find the poly bag I'd brought the scroll in; we eventually gave up and took another envelope just so the rain wouldn't destroy my work on the way back to camp. Maybe it would help if the covers were suitable for presentation without removing the scroll -- where the herald didn't have to remove the scroll to show it to the "audience", and could turn the whole shebang over to the recipient. It would involve less shuffling, anyway -- even if it was a bit more bulky. The covers could also be made with a standard "How to get your scroll matted and framed properly, and by the way keep it out of direct sunlight, and please return this cover at a future event" sheet glued into the inside of the cover too... This has possibilities. We'd still lose some regardless, but maybe we'd lose fewer that way. I'd bet this whole issue isn't just an East Kingdom problem, either. :) Anyone else have any ideas on the best way to encourage a culture of "send it home in a cover, and return the cover later"? Who do we educate -- the heralds, the populace, the Crown, Signet? All of the above? Christoph - ------------------------------------------ Ld. Christopher Jameson / Christopher Bogs Bhakail, East Kingdom / Philadelphia, PA http://pobox.upenn.edu/~cbogs/scriptorium/ - ------------------------------------------ Don't tell my parents I'm in the SCA... they think I'm running guns & drugs for a biker gang. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: RE: [scribes]: scroll cover/folders The AEthelmearc folders are made in bulk by a number of volunteers and are donated to the Signet's office. They each have a little "property of...please return to" admonition on the side. Many are kept by the scribes to transport scrolls to and from events. At least in our neck of the woods (Debatable Lands), scroll recipients tend to find a local scribe and ask them to transport scrolls safely home. Graidhne On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Christopher Bogs wrote: > I've been thinking about putting some fabric-covered covers together, as > I've heard mentioned on this list. Part of the reason I haven't done > anything about it yet is that although the scrolls come to an event > carefully protected against the elements, the protective measures seem to > end up in the herald's area and don't get back to the recipients, let alone > back to Signet, and I don't know if making them "fancy" would help any. We > could go to all that effort and lose them all in one event. :sigh: > > > I'd bet this whole issue isn't just an East Kingdom problem, either. :) > Anyone else have any ideas on the best way to encourage a culture of "send > it home in a cover, and return the cover later"? Who do we educate -- the > heralds, the populace, the Crown, Signet? All of the above? > > Christoph > ------------------------------------------ > Ld. Christopher Jameson / Christopher Bogs > Bhakail, East Kingdom / Philadelphia, PA > http://pobox.upenn.edu/~cbogs/scriptorium/ > ------------------------------------------ > Don't tell my parents I'm in the SCA... > they think I'm running guns & drugs for a biker gang. > > > > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:26:46 -0400 From: "Barbara Bishop" Subject: [scribes]: scroll covers I often use the cardboard Priority Mail envelopes which are free from the post office. If needs be, I'll put a sheet of waxpaper inside to save the gold leaf. Larger scrolls I ALWAYS make a cardboard keeper and watch in court that it is given out with the scroll. IF it is not, I collect it again after court myself and get it to the recipient. So ultimately the court staff and heralds get used to this. Brigit _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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