From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #27 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, July 16 2002 Volume 08 : Number 027 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay RE: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? [scribes]: a couple of web pages.... Re: [scribes]: a couple of web pages.... Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Re: [scribes]: Scribal Beads [scribes]: Women Scribes [scribes]: doccumentation question [scribes]: supply list for new scribal night ? Re: [scribes]: doccumentation question Re: [scribes]: think outside the scrolls box Re: [scribes]: supply list for new scribal night ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:33:51 -0400 From: "Julie WIlliams" Subject: [scribes]: Women Scribes? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C22BFB.DFC4D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study = there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes all = men? Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman scribe? Thank you for any help! Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh - ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C22BFB.DFC4D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of = study=20 there were actually women who were scribes?  Or were the scribes = all=20 men?  Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman = scribe?
 
Thank you for any help!
 
Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh
- ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C22BFB.DFC4D680-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:28:23 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? In a message dated Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:33:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, alenthea@adelphia.net writes: > Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes all men? Does anyone know of any > documentation of a woman scribe? > > Thank you for any help! > > Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh There was mention in one of the medieval calligraphy books I picked up in the library about the role of women scribes in Medieval Islamic society.... How they were viewed by their male counterparts, and the suspicion that teaching the women to write would lead to them writing love letters. If I can come up with the name of the book, I'll post it to the list. :) - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:01:08 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C22BF7.4E442340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh asked: "Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study = there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes all = men? Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman scribe?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First, it depends upon your definition of scribe. Medieval Illuminators = and their Methods of Work, by Jonathan J.G. Alexander mentions women = doing illumination throughout most of our period of study. I think, = too, though I don't have any specific references, that women were = calligraphers, both secular and in cloister... seems I recall mention of = some cloisters being well known for their scribes (read that as Nuns). Hope this helps you a bit. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin (soon to change with new ISP) - ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C22BF7.4E442340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh asked:
 
"Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of = study=20 there were actually women who were scribes?  Or were the scribes = all=20 men?  Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman = scribe?"
 
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First, it depends upon your definition of scribe.  Medieval = Illuminators and their Methods of Work, by Jonathan J.G. Alexander = mentions=20 women doing illumination throughout most of our period of study.  I = think,=20 too, though I don't have any specific references, that women were = calligraphers,=20 both secular and in cloister... seems I recall mention of some cloisters = being=20 well known for their scribes (read that as Nuns).
 
Hope this helps you a bit.
 
Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of = Narrental=20 (Peru, Indiana)
Middle Kingdom
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meiste= rin (soon=20 to change with new ISP)
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C22BF7.4E442340-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:07:35 -0400 From: "Julie WIlliams" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22C00.9644D230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, actually I am specifically interested in finding references to = women illuminators, but calligraphers would work as well. Thank you so much for all the help that is being given. Even if you = don't know of any specific references, I am getting a list of places to = start looking which is great!!! IS, Failenn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Helen Schultz=20 To: Scribe's List=20 Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh asked: "Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of = study there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes = all men? Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman scribe?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ First, it depends upon your definition of scribe. Medieval = Illuminators and their Methods of Work, by Jonathan J.G. Alexander = mentions women doing illumination throughout most of our period of = study. I think, too, though I don't have any specific references, that = women were calligraphers, both secular and in cloister... seems I recall = mention of some cloisters being well known for their scribes (read that = as Nuns). Hope this helps you a bit. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin (soon to change with new ISP) - ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22C00.9644D230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, actually I am specifically interested in finding references = to women=20 illuminators, but calligraphers would work as well.
 
Thank you so much for all the help that is being given.  Even = if you=20 don't know of any specific references, I am getting a list of places to = start=20 looking which is great!!!
 
IS,
Failenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Helen Schultz
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 = 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women=20 Scribes?

Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh asked:
 
"Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame = of study=20 there were actually women who were scribes?  Or were the scribes = all=20 men?  Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman = scribe?"
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
First, it depends upon your definition of scribe.  = Medieval=20 Illuminators and their Methods of Work, by Jonathan J.G. Alexander = mentions women doing illumination throughout most of our period of=20 study.  I think, too, though I don't have any specific = references, that=20 women were calligraphers, both secular and in cloister... seems I = recall=20 mention of some cloisters being well known for their scribes (read = that as=20 Nuns).
 
Hope this helps you a bit.
 
Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of = Narrental=20 (Peru, Indiana)
Middle Kingdom
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meiste= rin (soon=20 to change with new ISP)
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C22C00.9644D230-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:16:28 -0500 (CDT) From: watkins julia k Subject: [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1548780636 $225 seems not a bad price for a limited edition & the seller is 2300 positives unfortunately, no pics of representative pages. Barbary =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:03:12 -0400 From: ESTAVASH@cs.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: Women Scribes? I remember one of my books (I think by DeHamel, I'll have to check) had an illumination that showed a pair of scribes working, and one was female. The commentary said something about this being a depiction of a husband/wife team of illuminators, but I'll have to check on whether this was speculation or fact. I also remember seeing a photo of a manuscript page written by Christine de Pisan's own hand-- it wasn't illuminated, but her handwriting was very elegant. (I don't know if this counts, since she was employed for her poetry, not her penmanship.) Good luck, Ellen "Julie WIlliams" wrote: >Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study there were actually women who were scribes?  Or were the scribes all men?  Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman scribe? > >Thank you for any help! > >Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:05:46 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay In a message dated Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:16:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, julifolo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1548780636 > > $225 seems not a bad price for a limited edition & the seller is 2300 > positives > > unfortunately, no pics of representative pages. > > Barbary > > Funny you should mention being a little leary of the sale of the book; we were discussing something similar at the archery range this weekend. Pretty much about "antiques" bought during the Victorian era, and how one collector thought the more expensive it was, the better it must be, which leaked out and caused a whole bunch of counterfeits to be sold to the guy, mixed with broken shards of the real thing. The exact name of the collection eludes me, but included in these "antiques" were pieces of Arabian scimitars & great swords, and a lot of Roman stuff. It would definitely help if the seller could have photographed the actual illuminated pages in the book. - --Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:54:58 -0500 From: "Melaena" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? I have a book that mentions women illuminators, I'm pretty sure it's Bibles and Bestiaries, by Elizabeth Wilson/Pierpont Morgan Library. This is one of the BEST BOOKS EVER for beginner illuminators in my opinion. It's a smallish book with an easy text that covers a lot of basics, and tons of colour examples. Margareta vanden Velde Montengarde, Avacal, An Tir - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [scribes]: Women Scribes? > I remember one of my books (I think by DeHamel, I'll have to check) had an illumination that showed a pair of scribes working, and one was female. The commentary said something about this being a depiction of a husband/wife team of illuminators, but I'll have to check on whether this was speculation or fact. > > I also remember seeing a photo of a manuscript page written by Christine de Pisan's own hand-- it wasn't illuminated, but her handwriting was very elegant. (I don't know if this counts, since she was employed for her poetry, not her penmanship.) > > Good luck, > Ellen > > "Julie WIlliams" wrote: > > >Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes all men? Does anyone know of any documentation of a woman scribe? > > > >Thank you for any help! > > > >Lady Failenn de Cearsaigh > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:54:35 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? There's Hildegard of Bingen... http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/hildegarde.html (just one of many sites about her) Chiara =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:30 -0500 (CDT) From: watkins julia k Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lorsch gospel facsimilie on Ebay On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:16:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, julifolo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1548780636 > > > > $225 seems not a bad price for a limited edition & the seller is 2300 > > positives > > > > unfortunately, no pics of representative pages. > > > Funny you should mention being a little leary of the sale of the book; No, I'm not leary. I wish it were not a "limited ed" & so base price cheaper, but if this was equivilant number of pages of the Urbino Bible, for instance, I'd have a hard time not bidding though I'm saving money for something else. The seller has 3 thousand positives. This feels like a streetfront business that also does eBay. > It would definitely help if the seller could have photographed the > actual illuminated pages in the book. He's photo'd the binding & it looks same as I've seen the copy in UoI rare Book Room. (I think. It's been 12+ years) Barbary =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:39:34 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? - --part1_c6.e80de19.2a648d06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2002 12:23:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alenthea@adelphia.net writes: > Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study > there were actually women who were scribes? Look under the abbey at Whitby, England. This was a co-ed abbey and I think both men and women copied books there. I seem to remember reading about it when I was researching my personae several years ago. I haven't a clue where any of the documentation is now, however. I specifically chose that abbey because it seemed the most likely place in England where a girl could learn to read and write and illuminate from a priest. The abbey is/was located on the north eastern side of England along the coast, not far south of the wall. Hope this gives you a starting place. Brandy - --part1_c6.e80de19.2a648d06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2002 12:23:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alenthea@adelphia.net writes:


Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study there were actually women who were scribes?
Look under the abbey at Whitby, England. This was a co-ed abbey and I think both men and women copied books there. I seem to remember reading about it when I was researching my personae several years ago. I haven't a clue where any of the documentation is now, however. I specifically chose that abbey because it seemed the most likely place in England where a girl could learn to read and write and illuminate from a priest.

The abbey is/was located on the north eastern side of England along the coast, not far south of the wall.

Hope this gives you a starting place.
Brandy - --part1_c6.e80de19.2a648d06_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:59:27 -0500 From: Nancy Wederstrandt Subject: [scribes]: a couple of web pages.... here's a couple of web pages about women scribes http://www.uwrf.edu/history/women.html http://music.acu.edu/www/iawm/pages/illustrations.html#medieval =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:27:39 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: a couple of web pages.... Nancy: Thank you for these links!! KHvS > Nancy Wederstrandt wrote: > > here's a couple of web pages about women scribes > > http://www.uwrf.edu/history/women.html > > http://music.acu.edu/www/iawm/pages/illustrations.html#medieval > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:37:47 -0400 From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Greetings-- > > Hello. I am interested in finding out if during our time frame of study there were actually women who were scribes? Or were the scribes all men? Does anyone know of any > > documentation of a woman scribe? One of the pre-Caroline Frankish variant scripts is known as "Nun's Script" and is associated with a particular female house (I believe located in either modern Germany or Switzerland). Some of the examples I looked at for my palaeography class included some illumination as well. I'll check the details in my notes. Nicolaa Middle =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:56:29 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? First, it depends upon your definition of scribe. Medieval Illuminators and their Methods of Work, by Jonathan J.G. Alexander mentions women doing illumination throughout most of our period of study. I think, too, though I don't have any specific references, that women were calligraphers, both secular and in cloister... seems I recall mention of some cloisters being well known for their scribes (read that as Nuns). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I recently saw some real MSS. that were in the hands of a private collector that were done by women. In fact, he is putting together a traveling show of MSS. done by women that will be traveling across the US starting next May - first stop, New Harmony, IN. More information to follow as I get it, since he and I are in regular touch! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:23:01 -0400 From: Susan Arthur Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Aargh!! How frustrating! As soon as I read the question, I remembered seeing an MS page, on the right side of the survey book it is in, and that it talked about women illustrators. Aha! I thought. I can find that...... well, I did, but it is of *very* little help. It is on page 139 of Illuminated Manuscripts by Giulia Bologna, and is from the Domenican Breviary (late 15th C). The accompanying text says: "This codex appears to have been made for a Domenican convent in Alsace, and the historiated initials and borders would seem to have been illuminated in the same convent. The faces, even those of the males, have the rosy cheeks and red lips that often appear in the works of female illuminators." As research goes, that is not a heck of a lot of help!! That sounds, in fact, perilously like an opinion or a generalization. While looking for this reference, I found several other illuminations with rosy cheeks and red lips, and none of them said they were done by women. In fact, I think one of them might have been attributed to some unknown "Master", which set my mind wondering..... how do they know it was a master and not a mistress, since they have no idea who did it? But of course I wouldn't want to start such a political discussion here. ;> Lucia =========================== Lucia Bellini Baroness, Windmasters' Hill Companion of the Pearl Guildmistress, Windmasters' Hill Scriptorium http://scribe.atlantia.sca.org/gallery/Lucia/index.html =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: Women Scribes? Saradwen said: >I recently saw some real MSS. that were in the hands of a private collector >that were done by women. In fact, he is putting together a traveling show of >MSS. done by women that will be traveling across the US starting next May - >first stop, New Harmony, IN. >More information to follow as I get it, since he and I are in regular >touch! When he gets the traveling locations put together, you may want to have him contact the local SCA in those areas. It could be a nice touch to have some women (and men) scribes in historical garb doing hand work as a demo, as part of the exhibits. Last fall in Houston, the Smithsonian Viking exhibit included some of our members with serious knowledge and artistry of the Viking culture doing demos and talking to the museum patrons, and they were the hit of the exhibit, and the curators were very impressed with our membership's knowledge of the culture. Hillary Greenslade, Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Beads - --- Dorinda.E.Courtine-White@Cummins.com wrote: > The best I have found is to look in the South-West/Native American section > and get little metal feathers which can at least sort of represent quills. > It is a stretch, but they are the closest I have ever found, and in a > pinch they can often be found in your neighborhood craft store. (And certainly at Fire Mt. Gems.) > On the other hand, if you find something, let me know where you found it!! > > Dorinda, AEthelmearc > > raudhara@quickte > To: SCA - AnTir Scribes , SCA - Scribes List > Sent by: Subject: [scribes]: Scribal > Beads 07/13/02 06:51 > Greetings, > > I am desperately searching for scribal tokens to be strung onto beaded > necklaces. I am looking for beads that would signify scribal work, such > as scroll shapes, quill pen shapes, etc. I have been looking through > different catalogs, both print and online, and have had no luck. I am > running out of time, as I need to have the necklaces done by next weekend > for An Tir's Coronation. > > Does anyone know of anything that might work for this? I need to make 15 > necklaces, so I need at least one token per necklace. If anyone has any > ideas that might help, please email me at raudhara (AT) quicktel.com > > Thank you, > Baroness Katya in Raudhara > An Tir You may want to do a websearch on the keyword 'Silver Charms', and it will bring up listings of companies that sell sterling silver charms in all types and sizes. Generally you buy the charms based on Gram weigh, in the past a price of .50-.70 cents per gram weight is generally good, but the price changes depending on whether there are stones set in the silver or the price of silver on the current market. You may have to add an extra jump ring or two, or perhaps a bail, to get the charm to lay the right direction on your necklace. The company I buy from regularly is at: www.esilveretc.com or 1-877-741-7464 . I have purchased from them for years at the gem and jewelry shows. I will make small ribbons strung with glass and semi-precious beads finished off with a charm of my primary charge from my device, and give them away as largess (an idea borrowed from my Laurel). Best of luck. Hillary Greenslade, Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:56:41 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: [scribes]: Women Scribes Even though I had already posted about the main book that talks about women scribes, I was looking for inspiration for a scroll assignment when I found this comment concerning an early 15th century Missal: "A handwritten entry on folio 1r reveals the provenance of the Missal, recording that Margareta Kartauserin "improved" the book in 1452. Thus, it clearly existed at this time. In 1428, Margareta Kartauserin, and other nuns from the Dominican convent of Schönensteinbach in Alsace, had come to Nuremberg to institute a reform of the convent of Sankt Katharina. Margareta is known as one of the convent's most important scribes." So, there you are, proof positive!! KHvS =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:00:17 +0200 From: merlyn@virulent.de Subject: [scribes]: doccumentation question Greetings all, just a little question to help out a friend of mine who just began her SCA scribe career.. what is involved in SCA doccumentation for A&S competitions? She wants to enter one and was asking me... since I haven't done that either I was stummped for a proper answer, and thought maybe I could find help here... Thankyou all in advance Bridget Greywolf - --- "What is this an invasion? How many people are in this household anyway? "Count the beer, divide by three and you have an aproximate number." "Er... we're in a liquor store." =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:15:01 EDT From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: supply list for new scribal night ? - --part1_de.2a0ccc04.2a653005_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, It looks like we will be starting our new Scribal Night here in the local group on the First Wednesday of August. I'm looking to create a list of things to tell people to bring. What would be the best shades of paint to tell people to start with? white -- black -- red -- yellow -- blue -- green -- brown -- purple -- gold -- silver -- other colors? Other items? ruler pencil ? ? Paper?? Thanks, Tamara Trimaris - --part1_de.2a0ccc04.2a653005_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

It looks like we will be starting our new Scribal Night here in the local group on the First Wednesday of August.

I'm looking to create a list of things to tell people to bring.

What would be the best shades of paint to tell people to start with?
white --
black --
red --
yellow --
blue --
green --
brown  --
purple  --
gold  --
silver --
other colors?

Other items?
ruler
pencil
?
?

Paper??


Thanks,
Tamara
Trimaris - --part1_de.2a0ccc04.2a653005_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:43:17 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: doccumentation question At 08:00 AM 7/16/2002 +0200, merlyn@virulent.de wrote: >Greetings all, > >just a little question to help out a friend of mine who just began her >SCA scribe career.. > >what is involved in SCA doccumentation for A&S competitions? >She wants to enter one and was asking me... since I haven't done >that either I was stummped for a proper answer, and thought >maybe I could find help here... In what kingdom is the person? Different kingdoms have different rules. The Middle Kingdom has a specific set of guidelines to which they judge and most people write their documentation _toward_ those guidelines. The best advice that is fairly universal of which I can think is this: Tell them who would have had it in period, Tell them how it would have been used in period, How it would have been made in period, What you did, How yours differs from what would have been done in period, Why you did things different than they would have in period, What the article will be used for. Through all of these, quote from primary sources whenever you can and it's appropriate and secondary sources when you haven't any primary. I hope this helps, Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: think outside the scrolls box - --- Gael Stirler wrote: > We have just begun a project to create commemorative plates using the > skills and designs we have learned as illuminators in my Gutenberg School of Scribes classes in Atenveldt. > > Lady Dairine mor o'Uhigin > Dir. Guttenberg School of Scribes > Tir Ysgithr, Atenveldt > Tucson, Arizona You may want to take a look at the work of Lady Mary of Steppes, Ansteorra (Dallas, TX), as she has already put her illumination skills to work in the pottery and ceramics area, and has become quite prolific in it, even winning awards at the local fairs. Her website is at: http://www.marysmaiolicaarts.com/ I was amused by a tale from Lassair in the same Barony, a master illuminor and Laurel, who decided to try her illuminations on ceramics. She purchased the necessary supplies and explained to the store manager what she was intending to do. The manager thought Lassair was trying a project too ambitious for a beginner. When Lassair brought the plate back for firing, fully illuminated and similar to those that Mary shows on her website, the manager was blown away with the results. Lassair put one of her plates in an SCA auction a few years back and it brought over $100. A trick that Lassair used to create even lines was to use a kistka, the small stylus used in pysanky egg making (another outlet for illuminators to try their skills at). Lady Dairine, when you get your commemorative plates done, please show them on a website, so we can see how they turned out. Thanks, Hillary, Ansteorra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:43:57 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: supply list for new scribal night ? >It looks like we will be starting our new Scribal Night here in the local >group on the First Wednesday of August. Congratulations! >I'm looking to create a list of things to tell people to bring. Okay, here are my suggestions..... >What would be the best shades of paint to tell people to start with? >white -- China white, permanent white (my personal fave is lead white but >some people have issues with it's toxicity) >black -- lampblack, bone black >red -- alirzin crimson, cadmium red >yellow --cadmium yellow, ocre yellow >blue -- ultramarine blue, pthalo blue >green -- sap green, ocre green >brown -- (not period) van dyke brown >purple -- I can't think of the name of the one I love right now.... sorry >gold -- slight red underpainting then gold paint >silver -- slight blue underpainting then silver paint > > >ruler - with a cork backing so it sits off of the page, above it clear plastic ruler (I have a quilters ruler) to see through the ruler and know how it will look if you put the boarder there >pencil - mechanical, with both hard and soft leads white plastic eraser - won't leave smudges kneaded eraser - to pick up a little of the pencil in specific spots circle template with many sizes of circles Ames lettering guide - helps you make lines on the paper with perfect spacing >Paper?? - hot press. Most people swear by Arches brand; but if they're >just beginning, Bristol board is good as well and can be bought in pads >fairly inexpensively. Some people never move away from Bristol Board >their entire scribal career. I hope this helps. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #27 ****************************