From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #20 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 08 : Number 020 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Greetings all! Re: [scribes]: re: hemophiliac paper Re: [scribes]: Hemophiliac paper question Re: [scribes]: Speaking of gold leaf... Re: [scribes]: Aquapasto Question Re: [scribes]: Hemophiliac paper question [scribes]: Has anyone been to ... ? Re: [scribes]: re: hemophiliac paper [scribes]: No mail option [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list [scribes]: calligraphy-only scrolls Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Re: [scribes]: calligraphy-only scrolls Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list [scribes]: brause nibs [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list RE: [scribes]: brause nibs [scribes]: Samples of my work online RE: [scribes]: brause nibs Fw: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:30:44 -0400 From: "marina" Subject: [scribes]: Greetings all! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2220F.BC45A590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am Marina of Starhaven, in Trimaris. (Haven't got my real name yet). I am not new to the SCA, but I am new to Scribal Arts. Could I persuade someone to give me some information? I was wondering about some good, not too expensive books on Calligraphy, and Illumination. Also, when painting with gouache, am I supposed to thin it down, and if so how much? I really appreciate the fact that you all are online, ready and willing to give any advice you may have. Thank you in advance! Marina of Starhaven - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2220F.BC45A590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am Marina of Starhaven, in Trimaris. (Haven’t got my real name yet). I am not new to the SCA, but I = am new to Scribal Arts. Could I = persuade someone to give me some information? I was wondering about some good, not too expensive books on = Calligraphy, and Illumination. Also, when painting with gouache, am I supposed to = thin it down, and if so how much?

I really appreciate the fact that you all are online, = ready and willing to give any advice you may = have.

Thank you in advance!

Marina of Starhaven

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2220F.BC45A590-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:42:48 -0800 From: Heather Dorsett Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: hemophiliac paper Allen Freeman wrote:

have you considered deviating from inks entirely and
using watercolor or goache that's been sufficiently
thinned?

Several people have suggested using thinned gouache. Is there a trick to this? I can't seem to get it right. Either I get great globs of paint for the first letter (so no thin strokes), or not enough paint for more than one letter at a time. Maybe my gouache is drying too fast on the pen? but if so, how can I fix that?

I've tried higgins eternal, diluted gouache, chinese stick ink, speedball acrylic, another acrylic (the name of which I've forgotten), and iron/oak gall ink. The only one that never seems to bleed at all is the iron gall ink. (Mine is an English ink that I bought from Paper and Ink Arts, but I understand that all of them have good surface tension, which reduces bleeding.) There are lots of inks I haven't tried though, so there might be better options I haven't found yet.
You might also try dusting your paper with gum sandarac-- I've only just started playing with it, so I'm not sure how much it would help with paper that bleeds really badly.

Wow! After the recent discussion of stick ink, I have to admit that I'm relieved to hear that you've found something else that seems to work better. <g>

But I'm glad you mentioned the acrylics too--I'd just picked up a set of Speedball acrylic inks, mostly so I could try the gold and silver, but I hadn't actually opened them yet. After reading your and Martha's replies, I tried out the black on my regular practice paper, just for grins. As well as being somewhat less prone to bleeding (though *my* paper doesn't bleed ink badly anyway), the acrylic black is darker and more opaque than the Higgins waterproof I'd been using. I'll definitely find uses for it in the future even if it's not quite tough enough for this project.

Helena Ochastka
Barony of Winter's Gate, West
Fairbanks, Alaska =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:14:33 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Speaking of gold leaf... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C2222E.FD29CBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I have a harder time with jagged edges with the patent gold and I don't = think it shines up quite as nicely as the leaf - but it is close.=20 I have heard variations of this statement sooo many times, and I = wonder--why? The only thing holding the patent leaf to the paper is humidity. = According to Easy Leaf (I think--if not them another supplier, maybe Sepp) the ideal = humidity level to store patent leaf is 50%. Higher, and the leaf will stick to the = paper backing too much; lower, and it comes off too easily. There is absolutely = nothing different about the gold itself, so why would it look different than loose leaf? The = only thing I can=20 think of is that one might be using a much thinner leaf in the patent. = I try to get the highest gram weight per 1000 leaves I can find, and my gilding with = the patent leaf looks no different than with loose (even Cennini weight). If = anything, it looks better. Chiara da Ravenna Stonemarche, EK (NH--where the dewpoint is at about 78--yuck. No = burnishing for me.) - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C2222E.FD29CBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>I have a harder time with jagged edges with the = patent=20 gold and I don't think it shines up quite as nicely as the leaf - but it = is=20 close.

I have heard variations of this statement sooo many = times, and I=20 wonder--why?

The only thing holding the patent leaf = to the paper=20 is humidity. According to Easy

Leaf (I think--if not them another = supplier, maybe=20 Sepp) the ideal humidity level

to store patent leaf is 50%. Higher, = and the leaf=20 will stick to the paper backing

too much; lower, and it comes off too = easily. There=20 is absolutely nothing different about

the gold itself, so why would it look = different=20 than loose leaf? The only thing I can

think of is that one might be using a = much thinner=20 leaf in the patent. I try to get

the highest gram weight per 1000 leaves = I can find,=20 and my gilding with the patent

leaf looks no different than with loose = (even=20 Cennini weight). If anything, it looks better.

Chiara da Ravenna

Stonemarche, EK (NH--where the dewpoint = is at about=20 78--yuck. No burnishing for me.)

- ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C2222E.FD29CBD0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:18:55 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Aquapasto Question This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C2222F.999FCFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable . Can you tell us what this is? I am now thinking it is not another = for of gum arabic at all, but Im not sure. Thanks! Mea : ) =C6thelmearc =20 I suspect it's to allow impasto effects with watercolors. Probably not = ideal for manuscript styles. Just a guess, based on the name and your description. Chiara - ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C2222F.999FCFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you tell us what this is? I am now = thinking it=20 is not another for of gum arabic at all, but Im not=20 sure.

Thanks!
Mea : )
=C6thelmearc =

I suspect it's to allow impasto effects with=20 watercolors. Probably not ideal for manuscript

styles. Just a guess, based on the name and = your=20 description.

Chiara

- ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C2222F.999FCFF0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:49:08 -0400 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Hemophiliac paper question hdorsett@alaska.net wrote: > > I have a project to complete on paper that bleeds incredibly. My first > choice would be to substitute a better paper, but I don't have that > option in this case. Are there any types of ink that are [_much_] less > prone to bleeding than others, or is there anything I can use to treat > the paper so it will be less absorbent? > > Helena Ochastka > Barony of Winter's Gate, West > Fairbanks, Alaska > Greetings, You could try thinned gouache. My local art store employee/calligrapher guru says it's all she uses, rather than ink, and she recommended it for surfaces after you've scraped a mistake (and the remaining exposed fibres tend to bleed easily). I indeed found it very effective for mistakes. Regards, Genevieve la flechiere Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere - -- All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. - -Sean O'Casey, playwright (1880-1964) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:43:35 -0400 From: Della Hutchison Subject: [scribes]: Has anyone been to ... ? Brussels Bruges Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris Musee Condee in Chantilly (home of the Tres Riches Heures) If so, I would appreciate advice on seeing manuscripts there. I will be leaving in two weeks. Please feel free to respond privately. Many thanks, in advance! Yours, Alicia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:41:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: hemophiliac paper On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Heather Dorsett wrote: > Allen Freeman wrote: > � have you considered deviating from inks entirely and > using watercolor or goache that's been sufficiently > thinned? > > Several people have suggested using thinned gouache.� Is there a trick to > this?� I can't seem to get it right.� Either I get great globs of paint > for the first letter (so no thin strokes), or not enough paint for more > than one letter at a time.� Maybe my gouache is drying too fast on the > pen? but if so, how can I fix that? > > Helena Ochastka Make your gouache thinner still, and do a practice stroke on scratch paper before writing. Also, are you dipping your pen or loading your pen with a brush? When you're using thinned gouache in a pen, I've found that it behaves much better with a drop or two of oxgall in it. And yes, it does dry rather quickly--I find that I'm constantly adding water. Also, I read a suggestion, it may have been here, to brush a bit of gum arabic on the nib itself before loading it with gouache. This also seems to help. What kind of pen are you using? A regular metal dip pen, a cartridge pen, a quill? What kind of nib? Some of my nibs seem to like gouache more than others. Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:57:00 -0500 From: "Amanda Blackwolf" Subject: [scribes]: No mail option Is there a way to go no mail till Monday? I'm going away, and would hate to bounce like crazy! Amanda Blackwolf Barony of Northkeep, Ansteorra =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:20:25 -0400 From: "EB" Subject: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Greetings to the list, I've attended Pennsic several times, but this is my first year as a budding scribe, so I'm looking forward to a whole new shopping experience. :-) I'm more calligrapher than illuminator, and so I'm in search of new pen nibs to try. Does anyone have suggestions for a) what varieties to try and b) where to find them? Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? Looking forward to comments, regards, Genevieve la flechiere Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:27:42 -0400 From: "EB" Subject: [scribes]: calligraphy-only scrolls Greetings from Genevieve, I'm a calligrapher first, and illuminator a distant second. I'm keen to do scrolls, and want to work with my strengths. I am looking for examples as models where the art is in the calligraphy, more than the illumination, where really gorgeous writing was the point of the piece, with perhaps one or two rubricated letters, rather than the book-of-hours-page look. I'm not sure what period I should be looking at, though I did see one lovely example in a 15th c. batarde hand recently, by Dame Sarra Graeham. Can anyone direct me to suitable examples, in either books or online? I'm game to try new hands and styles. Regards, Genevieve la flechiere Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:33:40 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list >Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? Master John the Artificer in the stave church Gabriel Gild (though often considered a bit pricey) >Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? Not of which I am aware. Smiles, Despina de la looking forward to Pennsic =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:43:55 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list > I'm more calligrapher than illuminator, and so I'm in search of new pen nibs > to try. Does anyone have suggestions for > a) what varieties to try and > b) where to find them? Although I've never really searched for calligraphy supplies, my personal favourite calligraphy nib is the Brause nib. Tried Mitchells, used to use Speedballs, found Brause to be the superior nib, hands down. Don't know if anyone at Pennsic sells calligraphic nibs, but you can look around and see if anyone's got them. I don't personally recall seeing anyone at Pennsic selling calligraphy nibs. Lady Ellen of the Scholars, do you sell stuff at Pennsic? I've seen Lady Ellen selling Brause nibs at events. Not sure if she merchants at Pennsic, though. > Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? OK, well, here's where I can tell you where to go: Master John the Artificer Gabriel Guild Guild of Limners They mostly sell stuff pertaining to illumination and gilding, but you can also purchase real vellum. Memory serves, Master John sells that. > Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? Can't tell you for certain if it'd be a problem, but I can't see why it would. I live only 85 miles from Pennsic myself, just over the Ohio border and a little west from there. Never had to worry about customs, but maybe some other folks traveling over the borders can tell you more about that sort of thing. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:55:26 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list At 12:43 PM 7/3/2002 -0400, Sally Burnell wrote: >Master John the Artificer >Gabriel Guild >Guild of Limners > >They mostly sell stuff pertaining to illumination and gilding, but you can >also purchase real vellum. Memory serves, Master John sells that. Gild of Limners also sells wonderful parchment. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list The three must-see merchants are the Limner's Guild (across from the Cooper's store/Barn); Master John the Artificer (in the stave church); and the Gabriel Guild (a few doors down from the stave church). (The locations are where they were last year; I don't know whether the Gabriel Guild, in particular, is always in the same place.) All three merchants have more illumination supplies than calligraphy stuff, although Gabriel Guild does have oak gall ink. I don't remember what they had by way of nibs--I'm sure somebody had some, but I wasn't looking for that. Be sure to hit Limner's for spam vellum; it's almost impossible to get the stuff anywhere else. Hope to see you at Pennsic! (I *will* get up in time for the scribal tea, I *will* get up in time for the scribal tea, I *will* get up...) Martha Is it August yet? - --- EB wrote: > Greetings to the list, > > I've attended Pennsic several times, but this is my first year as a budding > scribe, so I'm looking forward to a whole new shopping experience. :-) > > I'm more calligrapher than illuminator, and so I'm in search of new pen nibs > to try. Does anyone have suggestions for > a) what varieties to try and > b) where to find them? > > Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? > > Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? > > Looking forward to comments, regards, > > Genevieve la flechiere > Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:01:01 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list > >Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? > > Master John the Artificer in the stave church > Gabriel Gild (though often considered a bit pricey) And don't forget Baroness Megan at the Guild of Limner's in the little tudor house across from the barn. She has, among many other things, Opaline vellum (aka "spam" vellum or "vellumveeta") > >Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? I heard a funny story about Baroness Megan crossing the border with her little packages of powdered pigments--I don't remember the details, but you could ask her about her experience. And then there was the brick she brought from Italy... I'd recommend bringing a few pictures of your work, so if you do have to explain things to customs, you can actually show them what you do. And get receipts if you can, just in case. I doubt there would be a problem, but these days, you never know. Have fun! Chiara =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:00:45 -0400 From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy-only scrolls In a message dated Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:27:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, tabby@ott.igs.net writes: > > > Greetings from Genevieve, > > I'm a calligrapher first, and illuminator a distant second. > > I'm keen to do scrolls, and want to work with my strengths. I am looking for > examples as models where the art is in the calligraphy, more than the illumination, > where really gorgeous writing was the point of the piece, with perhaps one or > two rubricated letters, rather than the book-of-hours-page look. > > I'm not sure what period I should be looking at, though I did see one lovely > example in a 15th c. batarde hand recently, by Dame Sarra Graeham. > > Can anyone direct me to suitable examples, in either books or online? I'm game > to try new hands and styles. > > Regards, > > Genevieve la flechiere > Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional > text in > the body. http://nazrynn.8m.com/Berangere_Terp-AoA1.JPG This is a scroll I did with nothing other than callig for the artwork, and was assured to me as "period" in the technique of including shapes in different colored inks within the actual calligraphy on the page. (Person assuring is/was a Laurel) You could also check into Letters of Marque, or do a search under "Cadels". :) Hope this helps! Good luck! - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East) 'Beth Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list > They mostly sell stuff pertaining to illumination and gilding, but you can > also purchase real vellum. Memory serves, Master John sells that. I believe all three vendors sell or have sold vellum, just perhaps not every year. I bought my sheepskin parchment at the Gabriel Guild, and somebody else noted that Limner's sells the stuff too. (Personally, I only saw spam vellum at Limner's, and Master John didn't seem to have anything vellum-related, but maybe they just ran out early?) Martha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:15:25 -0600 From: "Crystal Olsen" Subject: [scribes]: brause nibs Does anyone know of an online establishment that sells brause nibs? I agree that these are the best I've used, but can't find them anywhere. Mine are getting very old and are in need of replacement, but I don't like speedballs. My previous set was purchased at the Salt Lake Community College bookstore, some 5 or 6 years ago. Regards Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers, Shire of Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:20:01 -0500 From: Cindy Baker Subject: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list >Although I've never really searched for calligraphy supplies, my personal >favourite calligraphy nib is the Brause nib. Tried Mitchells, used to use >Speedballs, found Brause to be the superior nib, hands down. Don't know if >anyone at Pennsic sells calligraphic nibs, but you can look around and see >if anyone's got them. I don't personally recall seeing anyone at Pennsic >selling calligraphy nibs. Lady Ellen of the Scholars, do you sell stuff at >Pennsic? Sorry, I won't be selling at Pennsic. (I'm fairly lazy, really. Pennsic is my one big vacation every year.) Hope to see you all there though! I do carry some Brause nibs, but you can also get them through John Neal Books at a decent price. http://www.johnnealbooks.com/jnb/2jneal.html Ellen of the Scholars Middle Kingdom =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:34:15 -0400 From: "Christopher Bogs" Subject: RE: [scribes]: brause nibs I get mine from: http://www.johnnealbooks.com/ Christoph - ----------------------------------------- Ld. Christopher Jameson / Christopher Bogs Bhakail, East Kingdom / Philadelphia, PA http://pobox.upenn.edu/~cbogs - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Behalf Of Crystal Olsen Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:15 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: brause nibs Does anyone know of an online establishment that sells brause nibs? I agree that these are the best I've used, but can't find them anywhere. Mine are getting very old and are in need of replacement, but I don't like speedballs. My previous set was purchased at the Salt Lake Community College bookstore, some 5 or 6 years ago. Regards Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers, Shire of Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kira Stanley Subject: [scribes]: Samples of my work online Greetings All. I delurked a few months ago to introduce myself. At that time I didn't have any pictures of my work. I am happy to report that I finally built myself a web page for my scrolls. This is not everything I have done, just a few pictures in a few different styles. Please feel free to take a look - I would welcome any comments, criticism, etc... http://www.geocities.com/tygerblade36/SashaGray.html Lady Sasha Gray Outlands ===== "Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the ONLY thing." - Albert Schweitzer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:45:27 -0400 From: ESTAVASH@cs.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: brause nibs Try John Neil Books (their catalog is online) or Paper & Ink Arts (you can request a free catalog by email.) For most nibs, Paper & Ink is slightly cheaper. In your case, I suggest borrowing a catalog from me or Lady Bethany... ;) I prefer Mitchell myself (I'm a leftie, and although I can use oblique nibs slanted in either direction, they're not my favorite) but I have some Brause nibs at home-- I'll check and see what sizes I can scrounge up for you. Ellen Loch Salann, Artemisia "Crystal Olsen" wrote: >Does anyone know of an online establishment that sells brause nibs? I agree that these are the best I've used, but can't find them anywhere. Mine are getting very old and are in need of replacement, but I don't like speedballs. My previous set was purchased at the Salt Lake Community College bookstore, some 5 or 6 years ago. > >Regards >Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers, >Shire of Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:06:10 -0500 From: "Melaena" Subject: Fw: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list Here's my personal advice: Master John for period pigments, can't beat his prices ($1 US tube). Can also buy cheap bole there (for gilding). He sells double-weight (closer to period weight) gold leaf if you want it but it is pricey; however I think he's the only place at Pennsic who carries it. Gabriel Guild for books of patent gold (27$ US for 25 sheets, can't beat that price). Mistress Megan at the Guild of Limners for "opaline" parchment, can't beat her price ($30 US for a large sheet, 30" by 22" I believe) Conversely........... Mistress megan charges $4 for period pigments and a single sheet of gold leaf....... Master John sells real parchment for steep prices....... I did get some good oak gall ink from Mistress Megan, cost me $4 and lasted forever. Gabriel Guild has tons of bottles of arcane powders and potions and will explain them all to you if you ask, I highly recommend it. I got my fish glue and gilder's malt from them. Haven't used the gilder's malt but the fish glue is good. I bought scribal supplies like a maniac last year and didn't have any problems at the border but that was last year.... the only thing they might have a problem with is organic things like cochineal (dead bugs) and plant products (woad) both of which I bought........ but they're so small and esoteric, as well as not very expensive, I'd personally risk it if you want them. I would volunteer to go with you but it's looking more and more likely that I won't go......... it occurred to me that I could buy an old beater car for about the same prcie as a plane ticket and Pennsic.......... I am still mulling this over. I'm so proud of my fellow Skrael! Another addict! =) Margareta vanden Velde Montengarde, Avacal, An Tir - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Burnell" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic shopping list > > I'm more calligrapher than illuminator, and so I'm in search of new pen > nibs > > to try. Does anyone have suggestions for > > a) what varieties to try and > > b) where to find them? > > Although I've never really searched for calligraphy supplies, my personal > favourite calligraphy nib is the Brause nib. Tried Mitchells, used to use > Speedballs, found Brause to be the superior nib, hands down. Don't know if > anyone at Pennsic sells calligraphic nibs, but you can look around and see > if anyone's got them. I don't personally recall seeing anyone at Pennsic > selling calligraphy nibs. Lady Ellen of the Scholars, do you sell stuff at > Pennsic? > > I've seen Lady Ellen selling Brause nibs at events. Not sure if she > merchants at Pennsic, though. > > > Any favourite scribal shopping haunts at Pennsic to recommend? > > OK, well, here's where I can tell you where to go: > > Master John the Artificer > Gabriel Guild > Guild of Limners > > They mostly sell stuff pertaining to illumination and gilding, but you can > also purchase real vellum. Memory serves, Master John sells that. > > > Will I have any concerns returning to Canada with any of my new toys? > > Can't tell you for certain if it'd be a problem, but I can't see why it > would. I live only 85 miles from Pennsic myself, just over the Ohio border > and a little west from there. Never had to worry about customs, but maybe > some other folks traveling over the borders can tell you more about that > sort of thing. > > ~Saradwen > Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V8 #20 ****************************