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 Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 RE: [scribes]: Comfort grip paint brushes 
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price
 [scribes]: updated page
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 [scribes]: Final price
 RE: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 [scribes]: re: stipend
 [scribes]: stipend & scroll appreciation
 Re: [scribes]: re: stipend
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 [scribes]: Post-Court display (was: stipend)
 Fw: [scribes]: signing scrolls
 [scribes]: More on Iris green

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 00:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anna Troy <owly3@yahoo.se>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price

I have two things on the walls of my room and I'm VERY
picky. My AoA and my Order of Light :-)

Anna de Byxe


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:25:07 -0400
From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" <goofy1@suscom.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

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I'm planning to use a small bird as my mark. Since I have so many at =
home, it only seems appropriate!

Laurensa
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Helen Schultz=20
  To: scribes@castle.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls


  Sarra, that is a great idea... maybe we could do it rather =
unofficially on Cystennin's new Scribe's web site as JPEG files??  Then, =
if we notice conflicts, the one who has been doing it the longest gets =
to keep it their original mark and the others will have to change theirs =
a little to differentiate??  Just an idea.  We would sort of govern =
ourselves, rather than have a Laurel King/Queen of Arms do it for us.  =
The honor system would be the name of the game.

  I usually just sign my work with my SCA nickname... Lenchen (means =
little Helen in German) and the year.  It was way too difficult to =
figure out how to put a unicorn into the illuminations <sigh>. =20

  My newest Apprentice said he has devised a mark for his calligraphy, =
but never answered me when I asked him where on the scroll he was going =
to place it?  Since he doesn't always do the illumination as well.  But, =
if two people work on the scroll (say one as calligrapher and the other =
as illuminator), then I would imagine both marks could be placed in the =
illumination someplace.

  Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
  Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
  Middle Kingdom
  http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    Sarra the Lymner said:

    This discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if =
not 3 scribes who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark.  I can't =
help wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should =
be one?  I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths =
marks, that antique dealers use to judge age & authenticity.  Would this =
be a good idea or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level?


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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sarra, that is a =
great idea...=20
  maybe we could do it rather unofficially on Cystennin's new Scribe's =
web site=20
  as JPEG files??&nbsp; Then, if we notice conflicts, the one who has =
been doing=20
  it the longest gets to keep it their original mark and the others will =
have to=20
  change theirs a little to differentiate??&nbsp; Just an idea.&nbsp; We =
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do it=20
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game.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I usually just sign =
my work with my=20
  SCA nickname... Lenchen (means little Helen in German) and the =
year.&nbsp; It=20
  was way too difficult to figure out how to put a unicorn into the=20
  illuminations &lt;sigh&gt;.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My newest Apprentice =
said he has=20
  devised a mark for his calligraphy, but never answered me when I asked =
him=20
  where on the scroll he was going to place it?&nbsp; Since he doesn't =
always do=20
  the illumination as well.&nbsp; But, if two people work on the scroll =
(say one=20
  as calligrapher and the other as illuminator), then I would imagine =
both marks=20
  could be placed in the illumination someplace.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Meisterin Katarina =
Helene von=20
  Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL<BR>Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)<BR>Middle =

  Kingdom<BR><A=20
  =
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    wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should =
be=20
    one?&nbsp; I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths =
marks,=20
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:53:00 +0930
From: "Kat" <kat@iprimus.com.au>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

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This was my thoughts too.
Katerina.
Innilgard.

  Sarra, that is a great idea... maybe we could do it rather =
unofficially on Cystennin's new Scribe's web site as JPEG files??  Then, =
if we notice conflicts, the one who has been doing it the longest gets =
to keep it their original mark and the others will have to change theirs =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Innilgard.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:17:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Comfort grip paint brushes 

My mother got one from a yarn shop; she knits incessantly, and says that
between the glove and the constant hand activity, she keeps the problems
(which include both carpel tunnel and arthritis) to a minimum.

Graidhne

On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com wrote:

> 
> Margaret, there's a glove made for die-hard needleworkers that's supposed
> to help people with carpal tunnel and other hand conditions do needlework.
> I don't recall what it's called, but I hear it works very well.  I don't
> see any reason that it wouldn't work for doing C&I.  It's not a full glove
> - it only goes from the wrist to the knuckles and is made from something
> like neoprene.  You might want to check it out.  I know Joady at Hedgehog
> Handworks carries them (www.hedgehoghandworks.com).
> 
> Tetchubah (currently suffering from too much exchequer work, not enough
> scribal time)
> 
> Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:10:18 -0700
From: "Eva Mehlhose" <Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

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    Sarra, that is a great idea... maybe we could do it rather =
unofficially on Cystennin's new Scribe's web site as JPEG files??  Then, =
if we notice conflicts, the one who has been doing it the longest gets =
to keep it their original mark and the others will have to change theirs =
a little to differentiate

    NOw, that would be  just a really cool addition to the website and =
another resource for scribes in finding the identity of a scribe if the =
site would have a page with makers marks?
    Alex, Aten

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:42:48 -0600
From: fwydiva@telusplanet.net
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

Hi All,

Quoting PDRUSS@aol.com:

>(I think there is another name for it but I don't know what it is). 


I was told that it's called a 'conceit'.  Mine?  A small black bird that can 
turn up anywhere.


In service,

HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh
Avacal Principality Scribe
Kingdom of An Tir




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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:58:48 -0500
From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

At 11:24 PM 6/25/2002 -0700, chapman wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>I'm new to the scribe-game, so please bare with me. Is there a Scribner's 
>Guild? Perhaps signatures could be registered, like badges. It would 
>create more paperwork, but adnit it - you're a scribe. In that dark place 
>in your heart, you LOVE paperwork.

Please, no more paperwork.  An unofficial registry on the website is good 
enough.  It would be, I think, a very useful thing.

Smiles,
Despina


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:57:27 -0500
From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price

At 11:51 PM 6/25/2002 -0400, Sally Burnell wrote:
>Perhaps this is due to that odd dichotomy we scribes face of being both
>artisans AND servants. We use our art to serve the Crown. A costumer
>doesn't. An armourer doesn't. They get paid for their work (either in barter
>or in cash). Scribes do not (well, obviously, some Kingdoms have enough
>money to reimburse materials costs for their scribes, due to generous
>fundraisers that make this possible).

<The word 'you' is a generalization term, not intended for any particular 
individual - I'm not picking on anyone.>


Not to be fussy, but an earlier post from me on this topic must have been 
missed .  When was the last time you asked the Queen or Princess or King, 
etc. who made their garb?  Who do you think made the Great Cloaks for your 
royalty?  From where do you think the Thrones for your kingdom come?  Do 
you think that your current King made them?  Do you think that the people 
who made these things presented a bill or were given funds for these 
things?  In some instances, yes, they were; however, in *many* more 
instances, they were not, as the work was a labor of love for the 
craftsperson's Crown and Kingdom.

A number of people in a number of trades give their labors away to the 
Crown and others.  The only difference that can be directly pointed to is 
the *number* of things given.  By far, the scribes do give more in volume 
than other crafts. I am not debating that.  However, the other skills do 
give of their time, efforts and personal funding to their Crowns and to 
other members as well.

Smiles,
Despina




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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:58:04 +0800
From: Jean-Paul Blaquiere <japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: [scribes]: updated page

I have just scanned in a piece I did many years ago.  The beginning of '95 to
be precise.
http://japester.ucc.asn.au/SCA/scribing.html

Don't ask me to do anything like it in the near future.  There is one
mistake in there and I'm hard pressed to find it nowadays.  It is different
from what we'd normally see on this list in that it is in Japanese ...
I am getting back into it though but don't expect award scroll quality
work!

There'll be an award scroll to go up RSN too, just as soon as it's been
delivered to it's new owner :)


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:13:14 -0500
From: Cindy Baker <cebaker@ilstu.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

There are quite a few period examples of dragonflys being used as part of a 
manuscript border.
Your maker's mark may also be confused with the work of someone copying a 
period example of a dragonfly.
That's something you may want to think about before choosing this as your mark.

Ellen of the Scholars
Middle Kingdom

At 09:37 PM 6/25/2002 -0400, Floriligeum@aol.com wrote:
>   The East Kingdom Scribe's handbook suggests you use a mark of some sort 
> on the front of each scroll & some documentation & contact info on the back.
>
>This discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if not 3 
>scribes who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark.  I can't help 
>wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should be 
>one?  I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths marks, 
>that antique dealers use to judge age & authenticity.  Would this be a 
>good idea or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level?
>
>Yours in service,
>
>Sarra the Lymner
>(Who is using a small hedgehog as her maker's mark.)
>
>Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
>MKA Sarah Dressler
><http://sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com/>Sarra's Florilegium
>www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:21:21 -0500
From: Cindy Baker <cebaker@ilstu.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: Final price

I like the idea of auctioning off a calligraphy/illumination piece as a 
fund raiser.
I have also seen events where a scribal piece was donated as one of the prizes.
You might also consider getting together some work from your local 
scriptorium & setting up a merchant booth.

Just seeing scribal work with a price tag may help raise awareness. Bear in 
mind that these are not award scrolls I'm talking about. I've done pieces 
with quotes from Shakespeare, Irish sayings, Prayers, etc.

My local shire also sells small bookmarks at some of our demos where the 
scribes will charge a dollar or two to write out a name on a previously 
decorated slip of paper.

Speaking as a scribal merchant, it is a VERY long standing tradition to 
give scrolls away. Just seeing scribal work being sold is a bit of a shock 
to some folks. I have received commissions from folks in the SCA after 
having my work displayed, so it is possible to change perceptions. It just 
takes some time.

Ellen of the Scholars
Middle Kingdom

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:45:32 -0400
From: "Christopher Bogs" <cbogs@pobox.upenn.edu>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: signing scrolls

I've heard them called "maker's marks" as well.

Mine is a small red cross-crosslet, though I've only used it on a couple of
my scrolls so far.

Christopher
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Bhakail, East Kingdom    /  Philadelphia, PA
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:43 AM
To: PDRUSS@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls


Hi All,

Quoting PDRUSS@aol.com:

>(I think there is another name for it but I don't know what it is).


I was told that it's called a 'conceit'.  Mine?  A small black bird that can
turn up anywhere.


In service,

HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh
Avacal Principality Scribe
Kingdom of An Tir




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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:54:05 -0400
From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

My maker's mark is a tiny Tz, in the bottom left-hand corner of the
illumination.  And I usually sign the back of the scroll.  It's been
interesting to see what everyone uses to "sign" their scrolls.  I'd love to
see a listing of what everyone uses.  :-)

Tzitzakion

> I've heard them called "maker's marks" as well.
>
> Mine is a small red cross-crosslet, though I've only used it on a couple
of
> my scrolls so far.
>
> Christopher


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:40:14 -0400
From: "Sampson, Maureen (CC/DLM)" <MSampson@cc.nih.gov>
Subject: [scribes]: re: stipend

> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:10:51 -0400
> > From: "Barbara Bishop" <countessbrigit@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [scribes]: stipend
> > 
> > Atlantia has entered into law that a stipend will be paid for Peerage 
> > scrolls requested by the Crown at $25 per scroll up to $250 per reign.
If 
> > the $250 is not utilized entirely for reimbursements then the rest (per 
> > reign) is used to purchase materials for up and coming scribes and 
> > scriptoriums. This is new here and has greatly helped to raise
awareness.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Countess Brigit
 
 
This may be so but it is a very small percentage of scrolls utlilized during
a reign.  I personally haven't done any scribal work since last Fall and
although I would like to get back into it, I find that I'm not as motivated
as I could be.  Do I want money?  Not at all!!  What I would like to see
though is more recognition in court of the work we do.  The last several
royals have not even held up the scrolls let alone mention who has done the
work.  That's my payment - the appreciation of the work done.  It would be
nice if there was a display table set up right after court for an hour or so
to show off the scrolls close up.  But please at least hold them up and
maybe pan them around for a second.
 
 Failenn MacFergus
unmotivated Atlantian scribe.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:55:05 -0500
From: Cindy Baker <cebaker@ilstu.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: stipend & scroll appreciation

Failenn MacFergus, speaking about recognition of scribes in court said,
"What I would like to see though is more recognition in court of the work 
we do.
The last several royals have not even held up the scrolls let alone mention
who has done the work.  That's my payment - the appreciation of the work done.
It would be nice if there was a display table set up right after court for 
an hour or
so to show off the scrolls close up.  But please at least hold them up and
maybe pan them around for a second."

One of the nice things at the KWHS this weekend was a wonderful display of 
finished scrolls.
There was a large (2 table) display in the main hall, and smaller displays 
in each of the 5
classrooms showing off award scrolls. There was even a small display of 
actual manuscript
leaves in one of the classrooms.

This would be a great addition to almost any event (provided you can set 
aside appropriate space.)
Give the populace a chance to see some of the scribal work being done.
Ellen of the Scholars
Middle Kingdom


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:56:39 -0500
From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" <aheilvei@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: re: stipend

At 11:40 AM 6/26/2002 -0400, Sampson, Maureen (CC/DLM) wrote:
>What I would like to see
>though is more recognition in court of the work we do.  The last several
>royals have not even held up the scrolls let alone mention who has done the
>work.  That's my payment - the appreciation of the work done.  It would be
>nice if there was a display table set up right after court for an hour or so
>to show off the scrolls close up.  But please at least hold them up and
>maybe pan them around for a second.

We in the Middle Kingdom are truly blessed with the Royals we have had for 
the past few reigns.  Of the last 7 reigns (including the current 
reign)  at least 5, possibly 6 of the Monarchs have given tokens to the 
scribes.  At the end of court, the call up all scribes who have not yet 
recieved a token to please recieve one from Their hands.  They personally 
thank each scribe as the scribes come forward.

Sometimes Royalty remember to hold up scrolls, and sometimes they 
don't.  It happens.  It is always a winning point with the majority of 
people in attendance when they do remember to hold them up though.

It is possible to make suggestions to your Crown.

Smiles,
Despina


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:04:26 -0700
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

>>I'm new to the scribe-game, so please bare with me. Is there a Scribner's
Guild? Perhaps signatures could be registered, like badges. It would create
more paperwork, but adnit it - you're a scribe. In that dark place in your
heart, you LOVE paperwork.<<

No, I hate paperwork.  But then I'm Society Exchequer on top of being a
scribe, so I get enough of paperwork through that connection with the SCA.

But I think registering, or even tracking, who's using what mark is insane.
I've been friends with too many people connected to Laurel who have related
the absolute bad blood that can be generated by someone already using
*your* badge just because you hadn't registered it before, or who has arms
close enough to your submission to conflict and won't give their permission
for you to conflict, even though you live in the West and they live in the
East.

Let's not go there.

Tetchubah

Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:16:21 -0300
From: "Rick Gaigneur" <gaigneur@fundy.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls

I, too, have always marked my scrolls, on the front, with a symbol, as well
as including name and contact info on the backs. I use a small stylized
"ae", which I've been told looks like a bit like a dagger, or perhaps a
little stick-figure man, usually in the bottom right corner of the
illumination. I can't remember when I first used it, or on what, but it does
appear on the earliest SCA award scroll I produced (
http://www.ricks-place.ca/aoa1.htm ), so its been around for a while.

I agree - a registry of scribal makers-marks would be great fun. Not in any
attempt to regulate them, but certainly for the fun of seeing what other
people use, as well as to serve as a resource, example, and inspiration for
new scribes.

Aetheric


Master Aetheric Lindeberende, Shire of Lyndhaven, East Kingdom
http://www.ricks-place.ca
gaigneur@fundy.net

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:23:03 -0600
From: fwydiva@telusplanet.net
Subject: [scribes]: Post-Court display (was: stipend)

Quoting "Sampson, Maureen (CC/DLM)" <MSampson@cc.nih.gov>:

> It would be nice if there was a display table set up right after court for an 
> hour or so
> to show off the scrolls close up.  


I think this is a FANTASTIC idea...We're on a charter system in Avacal, so we 
don't often have "scrolls-from-scratch" hanging about, but when we do, it would 
be really great for the populace up here to see them...there's some 
astoundingly beautiful work being done by our scribes.

I think I'll suggest it at our next curia...

:)
HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh
Avacal Principality Scribe
Kingdom of An Tir

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:34:28 -0500
From: "D & L Potucek" <dpotucek@wiktel.com>
Subject: Fw: [scribes]: signing scrolls

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"Dying is easy, it's what you do while living that counts."


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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:49:25 -0700
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: [scribes]: More on Iris green

Since a lot of my irises are blooming, I decided to take few minutes to try
this out again.  I used 2 different types of irises - one is my very deep
purple repeat blooming iris, which is smaller than your average bearded
iris.  The other was a large, "blue" bearded iris that I bought at Home
Depot last year.  It's actually kind of a paler purple, sort of a
middle-violate color.  The repeat bloomer is more like W&N's Purple Lake.

I used 2 flowers from each, using just the petals and part of the
pistils/stamens but avoided using the lower pistil/stamen area and any
stalk.  I mashed them up in my morter, then strained the juice out thru a
nylon stocking.  I got about 3 teaspoons of juice from the larger paler
iris, and about 2 teaspoons from the smaller darker flower.  When I added
the alum to both, the deep purple juice didn't change color.  The juice
from the paler flower turned into a nice deep green, with a slight bluish
tinge.  Think Hunter Green.

I made clothlets out of both of them using linen.  The linen absorbs the
juice much better than silk did.  If you could get enough irises together,
you could make a great cloth dye from them.  I probably should have
dissolved the alum first in water, though, since this morning some crystals
were still stuck to the clothlets.  At some later point, I'll see if I can
reconstitute a usable color from the clothlets (I don't have time right
now).

So, the type of iris you use makes a difference.  Why, I don't know - maybe
one of the chemists on the list can say.  I'm no chemist.  These irises are
growing in the same flower bed so the soil conditions are the same.

Interestingly, I'm reading a new book I bought at L.Corneillson and Son in
London last month, called "Bright Earth - the Invention of Colour" about
the evolution of pigments used in paints from ancient times to the present.
Last night I hit the section on Iris Green and the author (whose name
escapes me at the moment) was talking about this process and mentioned a
different way to make Iris Green by adding something else which I can't
remember now, "and possibly alum".  I know I got the juice to change last
year by using ammonia so maybe he was talking about boiling the juice with
lye (I know one of the things I read last night involved that).  He also
speculated that if an acid was added to the iris green, it would probably
change back to purple.  Again, not being a chemist I'm not sure that would
work all the time since some chemical reactions can't be reversed that way.

Tetchubah

Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.

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