From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #10 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 08 : Number 010 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: death grip calligraphy RE: [scribes]: Comfort grip paint brushes [scribes]: Re: Final price Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: (FWD) of auto-bounced email to scribes list Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls [scribes]: Re: Final price Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: stipend Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:41:42 +1000 From: "Annette Wilson" Subject: [scribes]: death grip calligraphy Margaret FitzWilliam of Kent wrote "I still haven't found a good solution for the calligraphy..." One solution to the tendency to how a pen too tightly is to hold a loosely crushed ball of paper or tissue is the palm of your (writing) hand. I can't remember where I read this tip, but it works for me. Leonie de Grey (Annette Wilson) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:36:19 -0400 From: "Holly" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Comfort grip paint brushes Joann Fabrics has them too. They're hanging on the notions wall usually. Hand-Eze. One to a package and if you're in between sizes (see package) you're supposed to go with the smaller one. :-)---Holly---<--<-@ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On > Behalf Of Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com > > > > Margaret, there's a glove made for die-hard needleworkers that's supposed > to help people with carpal tunnel and other hand conditions do needlework. > I don't recall what it's called, but I hear it works very well. I don't > see any reason that it wouldn't work for doing C&I. It's not a full glove > - it only goes from the wrist to the knuckles and is made from something > like neoprene. You might want to check it out. I know Joady at Hedgehog > Handworks carries them (www.hedgehoghandworks.com). > > Tetchubah (currently suffering from too much exchequer work, not enough > scribal time) > > Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:48:06 -0400 From: "Peter B. Steiner" Subject: [scribes]: Re: Final price Hillary Greenslade wrote: > You guys do beautiful work, make some scrolls that have nothing to do with > awards, and auction them off from time to time to raise funds for the > scribal accounts to help pay off expenses. Perhaps as the auction prices > rise, folks will begin to see the value of the work. Hillary, This is an -excellent- idea! :-) Peter =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:04:11 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls > I'm curious about how you good gentles recommend signing scrolls. I know it's entirely appropriate to do so, and would like to know what different ways are used (For example, hidden in the illumination). I have thought about simply putting a small dragonfly in the corner of each scroll I do, as it is a personal mark of mine. Would this be appropriate? > > Regards, > Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers Absolutely. Personally I will sign my scrolls as Alex AS.....whatever the society year is on the front of the piece. On the back will be my full name and contact info as well as description of materials used, historical notes where the design derives from etc.... Maestra Alyssandra von Drachenskralle aka Alex the scribe Kingdom signet Atenveldt =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:07:06 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: (FWD) of auto-bounced email to scribes list > I have heard tell of other Kingdoms compensating their scribes in such > things as materials, and have long wondered by what process their > Kingdoms are able to afford this. Our Kingdom could in no way buy > materials for even its "top" scribes. There are so many, after all. > > In Atenveldt we have a budget for the scribes office. All of the currently active scribes working through my office have access to materials at no charge if they so desire. We also incorporated enough funds into this budget to facilitate the occassional impromptu workshop at an event. Should we decide that our budget is not sufficient, I can put in for a "raise" if needed. Maestra Alyssandra von Drachenskralle aka Alex the scribe Kingdom Signet Atenveldt =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:40:28 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls I tend to think Chiara has a bit of an edge of both of you... she did the illumination for my Willow scroll (Middle Kingdom Arts Award) in 1994 and signed it with her trademark dragonfly (about 2 or 3 years before she was elevated to the Order of the Laurel, by the way)... and... painted a seal to hold the kingdom "seal" on its nose -- I love that part really a whole bunch, Chiara . I don't think it really matters what symbol is used to identify you, as long as those around you KNOW that this symbol is yours, and that you also put your name on the back of the scroll just in case. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:27:27 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C21C75.F54534E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing that Peter said really struck home with me. I recently made = a gift for my Duke. When he saw the piece he gasped and said that it = was the most beautiful thing that he owned. I was enormously flattered. = A Knight, Duke, and Pelican with an arts award for C&I in his own = right... people give him really really beautiful stuff *all* the time. = Later that night when we were talking he went on about how "back when" = he was getting all his awards, the skill level of the scribes was so = much lower than it is now. LoL... lemme tell ya that took the air = right out of my ballon! Heheheeheeee for our last reign, two friends of mine and myself decided to = collaborate on a project. Mistress Branwen of Werchesvorde has this extraordinary gift with = words,spoken as well as written, she bails my mishap calligraphy = attempts out more often than not.... I am a painter by inclination. A few months ago I mentioned that I = always liked the books of hours and maybe, just maybe would love to make = one eventually. She says, I would like to callig one, never done that = before. With Mathias being a good friend of mine and one of my greatest = inspirations in the SCA, the idea was born. From November through April we worked on a 30 page book for him. = Another friend, Baron Diego de Marulanda, currently territorial Baron of = SunDragon, created the leather binding for this book. All told, we spent = roughly 300 hours between us. Was is excessive? Maybe... Was is very = satisfying to see everyone's reaction to the finished work? = Absolutely.... Mathias is a very new beginning scribe himself nowadays. I find it = rewarding to help others appreciate this fine art. And one of my thougths in making all of my scrolls is rather simple: How many hours of work has this person done to be recognized with this = award for their work? At the least, the scroll could reflect a bit of effort and style in = return. Maestra Alyssandra von Drachenskralle aka Alex the scribe Kingdom signet Atenveldt - ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C21C75.F54534E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One thing = that Peter said=20 really struck home with me.  I recently made a gift for my = Duke. =20 When he saw the piece he gasped and said that it was the most = beautiful thing=20 that he owned.  I was enormously flattered.  A Knight, Duke, = and=20 Pelican with an arts award for C&I in his own right... people give = him=20 really really beautiful stuff *all* the time.  Later that night = when we=20 were talking he went on about how "back when" he was getting all his = awards,=20 the skill level of the scribes was so much lower than it is = now.  =20 LoL... lemme tell ya that took the air right out of my=20 ballon!
 
Heheheeheeee
for our last = reign, two=20 friends of mine and myself decided to collaborate on a=20 project.
Mistress = Branwen of=20 Werchesvorde has this extraordinary gift with words,spoken as well as = written,=20 she bails my mishap calligraphy attempts out more often than=20 not....
I am a = painter by=20 inclination. A few months ago I mentioned that I always liked the = books of=20 hours and maybe, just maybe would love to make one eventually. She = says, I=20 would like to callig one, never done that before. With Mathias being a = good=20 friend of mine and one of my greatest inspirations in the SCA, the = idea was=20 born.
From November = through=20 April we worked on a 30 page book for him. Another friend, Baron Diego = de=20 Marulanda, currently territorial Baron of SunDragon, created the = leather=20 binding for this book. All told, we spent roughly 300 hours between = us. Was is=20 excessive? Maybe... Was is very satisfying to see everyone's reaction = to the=20 finished work? Absolutely....
Mathias is a = very new=20 beginning scribe himself nowadays. I find = it rewarding=20 to help others appreciate this fine art.
 And one = of my=20 thougths in making all of my scrolls is rather = simple:
How many = hours of work=20 has this person done to be recognized with this award for their=20 work?
At the least, = the scroll=20 could reflect a bit of effort and style in return.
 
Maestra = Alyssandra von=20 Drachenskralle
aka Alex the=20 scribe
Kingdom = signet=20 Atenveldt
- ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C21C75.F54534E0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:37:10 EDT From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls - --part1_78.28aba297.2a4a74c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The East Kingdom Scribe's handbook suggests you use a mark of some sort on the front of each scroll & some documentation & contact info on the back. This discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if not 3 scribes who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark. I can't help wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should be one? I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths marks, that antique dealers use to judge age & authenticity. Would this be a good idea or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level? Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner (Who is using a small hedgehog as her maker's mark.) Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_78.28aba297.2a4a74c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The East Kingdom Scribe's handbook suggests you use a mark of some sort on the front of each scroll & some documentation & contact info on the back.

This discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if not 3 scribes who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark.  I can't help wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should be one?  I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths marks, that antique dealers use to judge age & authenticity.  Would this be a good idea or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level?

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner
(Who is using a small hedgehog as her maker's mark.)

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

 - --part1_78.28aba297.2a4a74c6_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:42:01 -0400 From: "Peter B. Steiner" Subject: [scribes]: Re: Final price > BessdeNevell@aol.com wrote: > > I don't think so much that the system needs to be changed, as I do that > we need to look for ideas of creating even more public awareness in the > extent of our art. And that, is entirely up to us. > > ~Bess Lady Bess, Well said! I suspect that very few award recipients understand the "real world" value of their scrolls. A few minutes' education would make the awards - and the scrolls which symbolize them - all the more precious. We might begin to hear things like, "I can't believe somebody did this for - -me-! The Scribe who worked on my award spent -40 hours- painting the scroll!" Wouldn't that just break your heart? - -Peter- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:05:53 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C21C8C.177D9320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sarra, that is a great idea... maybe we could do it rather unofficially = on Cystennin's new Scribe's web site as JPEG files?? Then, if we notice = conflicts, the one who has been doing it the longest gets to keep it = their original mark and the others will have to change theirs a little = to differentiate?? Just an idea. We would sort of govern ourselves, = rather than have a Laurel King/Queen of Arms do it for us. The honor = system would be the name of the game. I usually just sign my work with my SCA nickname... Lenchen (means = little Helen in German) and the year. It was way too difficult to = figure out how to put a unicorn into the illuminations . =20 My newest Apprentice said he has devised a mark for his calligraphy, but = never answered me when I asked him where on the scroll he was going to = place it? Since he doesn't always do the illumination as well. But, if = two people work on the scroll (say one as calligrapher and the other as = illuminator), then I would imagine both marks could be placed in the = illumination someplace. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin ----- Original Message -----=20 Sarra the Lymner said: This discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if not = 3 scribes who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark. I can't = help wondering if there is or database of such marks, or if there should = be one? I am thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths = marks, that antique dealers use to judge age & authenticity. Would this = be a good idea or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level? - ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C21C8C.177D9320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sarra, that is a great = idea... maybe=20 we could do it rather unofficially on Cystennin's new Scribe's web site = as JPEG=20 files??  Then, if we notice conflicts, the one who has been doing = it the=20 longest gets to keep it their original mark and the others will have to = change=20 theirs a little to differentiate??  Just an idea.  We would = sort of=20 govern ourselves, rather than have a Laurel King/Queen of Arms do it for = us.  The honor system would be the name of the game.
 
I usually just sign my = work with my=20 SCA nickname... Lenchen (means little Helen in German) and the = year.  It=20 was way too difficult to figure out how to put a unicorn into the = illuminations=20 <sigh>. 
 
My newest Apprentice = said he has=20 devised a mark for his calligraphy, but never answered me when I asked = him where=20 on the scroll he was going to place it?  Since he doesn't always do = the=20 illumination as well.  But, if two people work on the scroll (say = one as=20 calligrapher and the other as illuminator), then I would imagine both = marks=20 could be placed in the illumination someplace.
 
Meisterin Katarina = Helene von=20 Sch=F6nborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
Middle=20 Kingdom
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meiste= rin
----- Original Message -----
Sarra = the Lymner=20 said:

This=20 discussion has only just surfaced and there are at least 2 if not 3 = scribes=20 who use or wish to use a dragonfly as their mark.  I can't help = wondering=20 if there is or database of such marks, or if there should be = one?  I am=20 thinking of a record somewhere like the silversmiths marks, that = antique=20 dealers use to judge age & authenticity.  Would this be a = good idea=20 or just to cumbersome to manage on a Society level?
- ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C21C8C.177D9320-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:37:50 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: stipend That sounds like a great idea...I wonder though, how many peerages are given out each reign on average in Atlantia? In the East, we have events where 6 or more peerages are given out in one day, especially at Pennsic. I wish that, at a minimum, postage costs could be reimbursed. Especially when it's a last minute assignment that needs to be overnighted. Chiara - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Bishop" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: [scribes]: stipend > Atlantia has entered into law that a stipend will be paid for Peerage > scrolls requested by the Crown at $25 per scroll up to $250 per reign. If > the $250 is not utilized entirely for reimbursements then the rest (per > reign) is used to purchase materials for up and coming scribes and > scriptoriums. This is new here and has greatly helped to raise awareness. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:49:21 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls Okay, you made me curious--I don't know exactly when I started using my mark, but the earliest scroll I have a picture of with the dragonfly is from a.s. 25 (1990). Yikes. I didn't think I've been doing scrolls for *that* long. I doubt there'd be much confusion anyways. Most folks know me by my style, and don't even notice the maker's mark. Glad you like the seal, btw. I just couldn't resist. :) Chiara www.picturetrail.com/pinnacleproductions has a detail that shows my mark. It's on the colored pencil scroll. They all have it, but the pics are too small to really see in most of them. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Schultz" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls > I tend to think Chiara has a bit of an edge of both of you... she did the > illumination for my Willow scroll (Middle Kingdom Arts Award) in 1994 and signed > it with her trademark dragonfly (about 2 or 3 years before she was elevated to > the Order of the Laurel, by the way)... and... painted a seal to hold the > kingdom "seal" on its nose -- I love that part really a whole bunch, Chiara > . > > I don't think it really matters what symbol is used to identify you, as long as > those around you KNOW that this symbol is yours, and that you also put your name > on the back of the scroll just in case. > > Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schönborn (KHvS), OL > Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) > Middle Kingdom > http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:30:53 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls I don't think it really matters what symbol is used to identify you, as long as those around you KNOW that this symbol is yours, and that you also put your name on the back of the scroll just in case. Because of that possibility of someone else using a similar makers mark, I choose my nickname. Alex =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:51:33 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price > You are correct! The difference between Scribes and other artists is one > of perception alone. This perception developed, within the Society, over a > long period of time. The standard to which SCA Scribes aspire has increased > exponentially over the past three decades! Appreciation of the Book Arts has > not followed suit. Not by those not directly involved in the scribal arts, no. Naturally, those of us who do this stuff deeply appreciate the Book Arts, but I suppose the reason that this hasn't spread further is due to the fact that we largely labour in anonymity, in our homes, usually alone in our respective scriptoriums or wherever we choose to work on scroll commissions. Then our work goes into the hands of a Signet, then to the Crown to sign, then to the award recipient, who then takes it home and (hopefully) frames it and puts in on their wall. It's not like we have the stuff out on display for all to see like so many other craftsmen. We're not wearing it like armour or garb, not eating it like feast food, and so it becomes a largely invisible pursuit. > I believe that this is due, almost exclusively, to the fact that Scribes allow > themselves to be used as doormats. There's nothing "Period" about that behavior. > It is unique to the SCA. (Please - everyone - hear me out before you plant the > stake and gather the wood. ) Perhaps this is due to that odd dichotomy we scribes face of being both artisans AND servants. We use our art to serve the Crown. A costumer doesn't. An armourer doesn't. They get paid for their work (either in barter or in cash). Scribes do not (well, obviously, some Kingdoms have enough money to reimburse materials costs for their scribes, due to generous fundraisers that make this possible). So ARE we seen as artisans first, or servants first? See, I think this is why Peter seems to feel that we tend to allow ourselves to be, as he says, "doormats". You get a scroll commission, it goes without saying that of course, you'll do it (time permitting, of course!). We don't expect salary for our work, as we do it primarily as a service to our respective Crowns. The fact that we are providing painstakingly done original pieces of artwork that are exhaustively researched is almost secondary to the service aspect of what we are doing and why we do it. At least this is my personal perception of things. > Our current perception (that Scribes are obligated to create expensive "gifts" for > a King or Baron to dispense) is truly burdensome and unreasonable. It becomes > more so when the holder of the Crown is ignorant of the cost of his demands. > Medieval artists were well paid for their work. (Those who were abused, taken > advantage of, or poorly compensated simply looked for a better Patron.) Nobles > fought, connived and paid lavishly for the privilege of employing the finest > artists of the day. That was during the -real- Middle Ages. Well, yeah, this is a point well taken, but again, it's that idea that we're not really viewed as artisans so much as servants that I mentioned above. And the idea that we aren't financially renumerated for our work and are expected to donate it to the Crown. I think what Peter is driving at here is that Mediaeval artists worked for Patrons, unlike we SCA artisans. So maybe what needs to change is for the Crown to view itself as our Patrons, in a manner of speaking. > We claim to uphold a higher standard, "The Middle Ages as They Should Have Been"; > but in this regard we have failed quite miserably. (Folks, we had better admit > this now, and say it openly! Many talented artists are getting burned out, taking > sabbatical, and - all too frequently - quitting. Many others are working diligently, > but with a sense that their work is unappreciated and of little value. Still > others - perhaps the largest number of all - are quietly walking away from this > situation. We will never know the beauty which those men and women might have > created.) Been there, done that. (Burn-out, that is). Sure, there are still those fleeting moments when I get a scroll commission, I sit down and heave a deep sigh of exasperation and wonder, am I really being appreciated? Or am I just another servant cranking out something for the Crown that they give away to someone I don't even know and can't know if they even like it? Then there are those special times when I am sought out after a court and thanked by a recipient of my work (since they usually announce the scribes in court and make us stand up when our names are announced) and I get a hug or just an effusive thank you, and I know that it's all worth the effort, time, sweat, labour, materials - and tears (yeah, I have been known to cry on occasion out of sheer fatigue, frustration or some other thing). > I have no doubt that, given the choice, many Scribes would continue to offer their > work without compensation. I do, and will continue to do so gladly. > The scrolls would be gifts. > There is a huge difference between such a gift and an obligation. > The distinction -matters-. :-) Yes, that is most true. But a scroll is NOT a gift from us to the scroll recipient. It is, rather, a gift, made by us, from the Crown, making it very special for the recipient to receive it from their hands. That, I think, is the distinction. > In Service and Friendship...meaning no offense, None taken! ~Saradwen =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:53:14 EDT From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls - --part1_19c.453aaa3.2a4a94aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/02 6:23:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ladydanielabh@hotmail.com writes: > > My lady puting a mark on the scroll is very appropriate. However, I think > > I should let you know that I use the dragonfly as my mark on my scrolls in > Atlantia and it might get us confused for each others work, especially > since > my Barony is on the East Kingdoms border. > > Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt > Barony of Bright Hills, Atlantia > > (Another dragonfly lover) > Actually I know a couple of other people use dragonflies. Perhaps we could start collection of SCA scribe's marks ( think there is another name for it but I don't know what it is). That way we could know just who created which scroll. I just sign my name on the back on my scrolls. Tamara - --part1_19c.453aaa3.2a4a94aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/25/02 6:23:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ladydanielabh@hotmail.com writes:



My lady puting a mark on the scroll is very appropriate.   However, I think
I should let you know that I use the dragonfly as my mark on my scrolls in
Atlantia and it might get us confused for each others work, especially since
my Barony is on the East Kingdoms border.

Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt
Barony of Bright Hills, Atlantia

(Another dragonfly lover)




Actually I know a couple of other people use dragonflies. Perhaps we could start collection of SCA scribe's marks ( think there is another name for it but I don't know what it is). That way we could know just who created which scroll.

I just sign my name on the back on my scrolls.


Tamara - --part1_19c.453aaa3.2a4a94aa_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:12:33 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Final price > > > The scrolls would be gifts. > > There is a huge difference between such a gift and an obligation. > > The distinction -matters-. :-) > now that opens up another thing...yes, it matters and then some.... as signet I consider the wellbeing of the active scribes vastly important. I very rarely ask an individual to work under timeline, the shortest time line I have asked recently has been 4 months to completion and delivery . I have scribes working on scroll assignments now which are not due until November. I also do not approach scribes that have not offered their skill and time themselves. If they approach me and ask for work, sure, I have always something that needs doing, I will not ask scribes that have not offered their services. My thinking is simply, the ones that offer, want to do this and hence it is not a chore. They will be happy to gift a scroll....otherwise it would be an obligation. So far it has worked very well and I have a steady stream of new scribes. In two years Atenveldt went from 4 active scribes to 45 on the roster now. Alex the scribe, OL Kingdom Signet Aten =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:24:34 -0700 From: "chapman" Subject: Re: [scribes]: signing scrolls This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C21C9F.7717EE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings! I'm new to the scribe-game, so please bare with me. Is there a = Scribner's Guild? Perhaps signatures could be registered, like badges. = It would create more paperwork, but adnit it - you're a scribe. In that = dark place in your heart, you LOVE paperwork. Hrafn Shieldbiter Actually I know a couple of other people use dragonflies. Perhaps we = could start collection of SCA scribe's marks ( think there is another = name for it but I don't know what it is). That way we could know just = who created which scroll.=20 I just sign my name on the back on my scrolls. Tamara=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C21C9F.7717EE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings!
 
I'm new to the scribe-game, so please = bare with me.=20 Is there a Scribner's Guild? Perhaps signatures could be registered, = like=20 badges. It would create more paperwork, but adnit it - you're a scribe. = In that=20 dark place in your heart, you LOVE paperwork.
 
Hrafn Shieldbiter

Actually = I know a=20 couple of other people use dragonflies. Perhaps we could start = collection of=20 SCA scribe's marks ( think there is another name for it but I don't = know what=20 it is). That way we could know just who created which scroll. =

I just=20 sign my name on the back on my scrolls.


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