From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V8 #3 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, June 22 2002 Volume 08 : Number 003 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Ink from irises? Re: [scribes]: Famous Scribes [scribes]: Auxiliary memory Re: scribes/illuminators?? Re: [scribes]: Ink from irises? Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? [scribes]: KWHSAS Proceedings? Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? Re: [scribes]: Famous Scribes Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? [scribes]: famous scribes [scribes]: researching scribes Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? [scribes]: The Book of Hours of Pannonhalma Re: [scribes]: The Book of Hours of Pannonhalma Re: [scribes]: chinese inks vs other inks Re: [scribes]: KWHSAS Proceedings? [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article Re: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article Re: [scribes]: famous scribes Re: [scribes]: Illuminated Music Manuscripts? RE: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article [scribes]: Announcing www.ScribalArts.org ! Re: [scribes]: Illuminated Music Manuscripts? [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article (fwd) RE: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:35:46 -0500 From: "Melaena" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ink from irises? I tried this last year at iris time and couldn't get it to work. Well, I got a lumpy very very very pale green goo. Probably I was doing something totally wrong and would like to try again. I think in retrospect it was the straining part I missed....... with what do you strain? How much juice can you expect? > > I was experimenting with making Iris green last year, Heather. That might > be what you remember. Iris green isn't an ink, although I suppose you > could use it for one. It's supposed to be a paint color. It's made from > grinding fresh deep purple/blue irises, straining the juice from them, and > then adding alum. The alum turns the deep purple juice into a bright green > color. Both the purple and the green are fairly light fast, but they are > very light colored if used fresh. ? This implies that you might be able to get a darker colour if you used them not-fresh........ dried? Would that work? How much alum would one add to, say, two irises? A pinch? A teaspoon? Would this work with gum arabic instead? Or do we need the alum to "fix" the colour like with dyed fabric. BTW, this is the petals we're talking about, yes? I'm going to try another batch this > weekend since my irises are blooming again, and just let the water > evaporate out of them to see if I can get something closer to dry pigment. > I would love for someone who has done this successfully to walk me through the steps. Margareta vanden Velde Montengarde- Avacal-An Tir Calgary, AB =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:41:33 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Famous Scribes >>I don't think it does exist. Several scribes and myself started to do a series of articles on scribes, with short bios (a paragraph or so) with the aim of publishing it as a Compleat Anachronist. Only a couple people did their articles, alas, and i'm afraid that i lost the one that had been turned in to me. (Sorry Tetchubah!)<< Drat! And I'm sure I don't have a copy of it anymore, either. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:44:47 -0700 From: ren.touch@juno.com Subject: [scribes]: Auxiliary memory Re: scribes/illuminators?? Greetings I too suffer from small bits of paper . I have gotten to the point or carrying in my pouch a small spiral bound note book . I find that it is great for well........ Notes..........Names , places , #'S, Archery scores etc . The more period looking solution I saw is a belt book ( do not know if there is a proper name for it ) It hangs like a favour and you turn it upwards and a pad or book is exposed Nifty thing is you do not have to dig for it. Service Johann Fairhand snip snip but I can't remember her > name.  I > seem to write these names on loose pieces of paper at events or > think I'll> remember in good faith hoping I'll find them later.  Never so!! I > always> forget and can never find that one defining piece of paper! << > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:49:09 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ink from irises? >>I tried this last year at iris time and couldn't get it to work. Well, I got a lumpy very very very pale green goo. Probably I was doing something totally wrong and would like to try again. I think in retrospect it was the straining part I missed....... with what do you strain? How much juice can you expect?<< I've strained mine with a piece of panty hose. Fine nylon net would also probably work, but I think panty hose is best. Without straining it, you would indeed get a lumpy gooey mess of mashed up iris petals. Just load the lumpy gooey purple mess into it from the mortar, then wring it out into a bowl or small container. Throw out the petal mash afterwards. I add the alum after I strain it, not before. I wonder if it would work better adding it before? I learned this technique from Paul Werner and he added the alum after straining it. I was having trouble getting the cooking alum to make it change color, though, but now I have some dyer's alum that I hope will work better. I used ammonia last year to make it green (I think it's wanting a base added to it to make the color transformation). My irises are kind of smallish - they're repeat bloomers so I get 3-4 blooming cycles from them a year (they're blooming right now, and did so last in February). I get about a teaspoon of juice out of one of them, maybe a little more than that. I tried adding whiting to the juice last time to see if it would stain it, but while I wound up with a pale purple chalk, it wasn't sufficiently dark for me. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:28:38 -0400 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? I believe that there is such a listing and description of what is known about each illuminator in the back of Giullia Bologna's Illuminated Manuscripts book. However, I can't confirm this because I just loaned out my copy to a local scribe. I'm pretty sure though. RanthulfR "jystock@excite.com" wrote: > > Hi I sent a message a few days ago and I noticed my message never > made it to the list. But, for some reason it did and I just missed > it, forgive me for being repetitious. > > I've been painting illuminations for a while and have attended past > KWHS. I've heard of famous people such as Duc de Berry, but that > is the only one I can seem to remember. I'm not even sure if he's > form France or Italy?? There' also a Mary of somebody/somwhwere, > but I can't remember her name. I seem to write these names on > loose pieces of paper at events or think I'll remember in good > faith hoping I'll find them later. Never so!! I always forget and > can never find that one defining piece of paper! > > l love to study different styles and would like to read up on some > of the more prominent scr! ibes and such. Can anyone throw out a > few names and/or time periods and what country they were from, or > just names would help too. It would be fun to see how many > different names we can come up with and from different regions and > times. Sort of a comprehensive list of who's who's of historical > medieval scribes and illuminators. Unless a list like this already > exists?????? > > Thanks so much! > > Ysabeau > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:13:24 -1000 (HST) From: Jan McEwen Subject: [scribes]: KWHSAS Proceedings? > Would it be at all possible to get acopy of the class notes of this and > for that matter any other of the class notes. > Being on the other side of the planet I'm afraid I can't get there. I second this; I'm not on the other side of the planet, but Hawaii is far away enough and I can't afford the airfare. In fact, will there be proceedings available? Thanks! Catriona Stewart Western Seas, Caid - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan McEwen, Urban Horticulturist, Urban Garden Center, Pearl City, Hawaii Hawaii Cooperative Extension Service University of Hawaii/College of Tropical Agriculture and Human Resources SCA: Catriona Stewart of the Glens, Barony of the Western Seas, Caid Internet: jmcewen@hawaii.edu =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:25:24 -0500 From: Garret Bitker Subject: Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? Greetings Noble Scribes, At 09:17 AM 6/21/2002 -0700, Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com wrote: > >>I've been painting illuminations for a while and have attended past KWHS. >I've heard of famous people such as Duc de Berry, but that is the only one >I can seem to remember. I'm not even sure if he's form France or Italy?? >There' also a Mary of somebody/somwhwere, but I can't remember her name. I >seem to write these names on loose pieces of paper at events or think I'll >remember in good faith hoping I'll find them later. Never so!! I always >forget and can never find that one defining piece of paper! << > >You're probably thinking of the Master of the Mary of Burgundy Hours. >Jean, Duc de Berry, was a French patron of the arts and had several books >of hours done for him including the Tres Riche Heures, the Grande Heures, >the Petite Heures, and the Belle Heures. IIRC, the Fouquet brothers were >the illuminators of all 4 manuscripts. I thought these pieces were done by the Limbourg Brothers, I know the Belle Heures was at least. He did though employ many other illuminators and the Limbourgs also worked for the Duke of Burgundy. A good book for this time period is The Golden Age: Manuscript painting at the time of Jean, Duke of Berry by Marcel Thomas isbn #0-8076-0923-4 or paperback 0-8076-0924-2 This book has a good discussion of the relevant masters of the time. Gevehard von Baden =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:29:40 -0500 From: Garret Bitker Subject: Re: [scribes]: Famous Scribes At 09:28 AM 6/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I don't think it does exist. Several scribes and myself started to do a >series of articles on scribes, with short bios (a paragraph or so) with the >aim of publishing it as a Compleat Anachronist. Only a couple people did >their articles, alas, and i'm afraid that i lost the one that had been >turned in to me. (Sorry Tetchubah!) > >I agree that a survey of known scribes would be a cool project, and I for >one would love to see it published on a forum of more permanence and >accessibility than an e-mail list. Say, Compleat Anachronist! > >It would be cool to make this a group project -- one person agree to collect >the information each researcher posts to the list, and sort it by culture >(Dark Ages Britain, Carolingian Empire, Renaissance Italy, etc.). Each >researcher/author explicitly gives permission for their stuff to be >published. Then the list of authors is given as a separate listing in the >booklet -- the name of record on the CA would be the editor/compiler. > >Can you tell I've thought about this before? But I am too busy to be the >editor/compiler, and I've already got a couple CA's coming out, so I hadn't >proposed it before. Someone else needs the glory (and to do the work). >Takers? I would love to work on this type of project either as editor compiler or just on one of the time periods (like gothic) I don't need the glory but as a teacher for the next two months I have some time. If anyone is interested please email me at gevehard@redred.com, if I get enough interest we'll get started, Cool Idea Eowyn. Gevehard =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:06:56 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? >>I thought these pieces were done by the Limbourg Brothers, I know the Belle Heures was at least. He did though employ many other illuminators and the Limbourgs also worked for the Duke of Burgundy. A good book for this time period is The Golden Age: Manuscript painting at the time of Jean, Duke of Berry by Marcel Thomas isbn #0-8076-0923-4 or paperback 0-8076-0924-2 This book has a good discussion of the relevant masters of the time.<< You're right - that's why I prefaced my comment with IIRC (if I recall correctly) - apparently I didn't recall correctly. I was confusing them with Jean Fouquet. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Allen Freeman Subject: [scribes]: famous scribes forget compleat anachronist, think hardbound reference book. what you're considering here is in reality potentially the end all-be all of scribal research, especially if it was broken down by time period, and had examples of each scribes work, the thing, when printed, would probably be about the size of the gutenberg bible. - -phaedrus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "jystock@excite.com" Subject: [scribes]: researching scribes - --EXCITEBOUNDARY_000__35da21d9cf033264a5ea21e74de3c9c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I didn't realize that what I was looking for was so broad and profound.  I guess I assumed that this would be an easy ntopic where peole would throw name sof their favorite scribes in their persona and such.  Ysabeau - ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! - --EXCITEBOUNDARY_000__35da21d9cf033264a5ea21e74de3c9c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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The most personalized portal on the Web! - --EXCITEBOUNDARY_000__35da21d9cf033264a5ea21e74de3c9c8-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:32:11 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: famous medival scribes/illuminators?? > You're probably thinking of the Master of the Mary of Burgundy Hours. > Jean, Duc de Berry, was a French patron of the arts and had several books > of hours done for him including the Tres Riche Heures, the Grande Heures, > the Petite Heures, and the Belle Heures. IIRC, the Fouquet brothers were > the illuminators of all 4 manuscripts. You can find more information on > the Petite Heures (and see it online) at the Bibliotheque Nationale de > France website (www.bnf.fr/enluminaires). The Petites Heures, according to what I have read, were executed by four anonymous artists and an illuminator named Jacquemart de Hesdin, the favourite painter of Jean, Duc de Berry. The Grandes Heures were completed by the Bedford Master and was also worked on by the Boucicaut Master and his workshop, among the numerous artists who were engaged in the completion of this MS., which was completed in about 1409. The Belles Heures, in all likelihood, were done by the Brothers Limbourg. The Trés Belles Heures were painted under the supervision of Jacquemart de Hesdin. According to what I have read, it was begun in 1384 by an artist close to the Parement Master, left incomplete for a good long time and then given to the brothers Van Eyck, Jan and Hubert, to finish later on. The Trés Riches Heures were begun by the Brothers Limbourg and completed by Jean Colombe upon the deaths of the Brothers Limbourg and Jean, Duc de Berry. This, according to the notes in the beginning of my copies of the Trés Riches Heures and the Grandes Heures. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:16:15 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: [scribes]: The Book of Hours of Pannonhalma Some years ago now, I recall seeing a tiny facsimile MS. called The Book of Hours of Pannonhalma. A friend, Master Aidan Elfaedur (are you on either of these lists, Master Aidan?) owned a copy that he purchased at the Museum Store of the Cleveland Museum of Art. Does anybody know if this book is still available, and if so, where it could be gotten? I haven't seen it of late at the Cleveland Museum, but then, I am long overdue for another visit there anyway. For those not familiar with this MS., it is in the style we fondly call "Squashed Bug", but more properly called "Trompe L'Oeil", and is Hungarian by origin. Memory serves, it was illuminated sometime in the 15th century. Lovely, tiny book, and one I would love to add to my already burgeoning collection of scribal books. It's very tiny and delicate and would have no problems fitting in my already overflowing bookcases. Thanks! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:55:26 -0400 From: "Kara Westfall" Subject: Re: [scribes]: The Book of Hours of Pannonhalma I did a bookfinder.com search and found a copy for $48, no idea if it's the same one you saw, though. Chiara da Ravenna Stonemarche, EK =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:04:03 -0700 From: brandy@ieee.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: chinese inks vs other inks > *chuckle* I learnt to use the stone and inks while at school in Japan. > We learnt well how to treat brushes, stones and ink and had > demonstrated to us why you don't leave ink to dry on the stones. > > Random question, do many people on this list practice Japanese/Chinese > calligraphy? and in Japanese/Chinese too, not the weird kanji looking > english that I have seen... I'm currently learning Japanese and eventually I hope to be able to do the calligraphy but I haven't progressed that far yet. Morag inghen Peadair House Embyreset Mare Amethystinum =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 22:29:18 -0400 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: KWHSAS Proceedings? Jan McEwen wrote: > > > Would it be at all possible to get acopy of the class notes of this and > > for that matter any other of the class notes. > > Being on the other side of the planet I'm afraid I can't get there. > > I second this; I'm not on the other side of the planet, but Hawaii is far > away enough and I can't afford the airfare. In fact, will there be > proceedings available? > > Thanks! > > Catriona Stewart > Western Seas, Caid Greetings from Genevieve, As a herald and beginning scribe, I can tell you that yes, the proceedings of each KWHS are available from Free Trumpet Press West: http://www.sca.org/heraldry/ftpw/ They are valuable reading on the heraldic side - many of the papers turn into articles and sections of kingdom handbooks - but I cannot vouch for the scribal side. In truth, I've mostly read the heraldic parts. You can check the indices of the past proceedings here, and decide for yourself whether or not to order: http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/kwhs/ Hope this is helpful, regards, Genevieve la flechiere - -- All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. - -Sean O'Casey, playwright (1880-1964) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:47:35 -0500 From: Garret Bitker Subject: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article Greetings Good and Talented scribes, As others have started the germ of an idea so have Master Johannes and I decided to take that and see what grows. If you are interested in researching and writing a short biography about a Medieval Master send me an email (to avoid duplication) and we'll get started on this project, personally I want to do the Limbourg Brothers, their work is so amazing. Thanks for your time, Gevehard von Baden Northshield =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:59:52 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article > Greetings Good and Talented scribes, > As others have started the germ of an idea so have Master Johannes and I > decided to take that and see what grows. If you are interested in > researching and writing a short biography about a Medieval Master send me > an email (to avoid duplication) and we'll get started on this project, > personally I want to do the Limbourg Brothers, their work is so amazing. This is an awesome idea! Wow! Just think of what we can accomplish if we do this together, and how much we can add to the body of knowledge! I want to participate, Gevehard! As for who I want to research......let me think on that a bit and get back to you! There are several interesting ones I could get myself interested in doing. Some of the more intriguing ones are those with no name, like the Master of Mary of Burgundy, the Master of Catherine of Cleves, the Bedford Master and others. And others who we do know by name, like the Brothers Fouquet, Jean Colombe, Giovanni dei Grassi, Belbello di Pavia, Jacquemart de Hesdin, Jean Pucelle, the Limbourgs (which you're doing, Gevehard), Michelino da Besozzo, Jacques Coene, known as the Boucicaut Master and others, well, they are interesting because we know who they were. I could have fun with any one of these.................I'll think it over and decide which one or ones I would like to do. And I think this idea just ROCKS! What a cool thing for us to do collectively as a scribal community! What better way to join forces with our fellow scribes the Knowne World over and contribute to the collective knowledge of the world of Illuminated Manuscripts! What a valuable contribution to the SCA this will make! Enthusiastically, ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:46:12 -0700 From: EowynA Subject: Re: [scribes]: famous scribes on 6/21/02 11:14 AM, Allen Freeman at mxhedroom@yahoo.com wrote: > forget compleat anachronist, think hardbound > reference book. what you're considering here is in > reality potentially the end all-be all of scribal > research, especially if it was broken down by time > period, and had examples of each scribes work, the > thing, when printed, would probably be about the size > of the gutenberg bible. > > -phaedrus Ahh -- that would be. My thought was just the names of the scribes, a very little about their lives or work, and pointers to where more information could be obtained about them. No examples of work, because then one must get permission for publishing photographs, etc. Eowyn =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:44:34 -0500 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: Re: [scribes]: Illuminated Music Manuscripts? Greetings, Off hand I don't know of any books but, there are single leaves on a number of websites. Such as: http://wally2.rit.edu/cary/manuscripts/? http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/wmss/medieval/browse.htm http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Scriptorium/ I hope that helps. Cheers, Gwendoline At 06:06 AM 6/20/2002 -0700, Suzanne Booth wrote: >Greetings! > >Does anyone out there have any good resources for illuminated music >manuscripts? I'd like to find documentation on styles of illumination >used and >techniques for scribing the music notation. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > >-- Suzanne > >HL Suzanne de la Ferté >Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:39:22 -0700 From: "Kenneth A. Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article I would love to publish these articles on the ScribalArts.org web site! Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Sally Burnell [mailto:sburnell@raex.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:00 PM To: scribes@castle.org; Garret Bitker Subject: Re: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article > Greetings Good and Talented scribes, > As others have started the germ of an idea so have Master Johannes and I > decided to take that and see what grows. If you are interested in > researching and writing a short biography about a Medieval Master send me > an email (to avoid duplication) and we'll get started on this project, > personally I want to do the Limbourg Brothers, their work is so amazing. This is an awesome idea! Wow! Just think of what we can accomplish if we do this together, and how much we can add to the body of knowledge! I want to participate, Gevehard! As for who I want to research......let me think on that a bit and get back to you! There are several interesting ones I could get myself interested in doing. Some of the more intriguing ones are those with no name, like the Master of Mary of Burgundy, the Master of Catherine of Cleves, the Bedford Master and others. And others who we do know by name, like the Brothers Fouquet, Jean Colombe, Giovanni dei Grassi, Belbello di Pavia, Jacquemart de Hesdin, Jean Pucelle, the Limbourgs (which you're doing, Gevehard), Michelino da Besozzo, Jacques Coene, known as the Boucicaut Master and others, well, they are interesting because we know who they were. I could have fun with any one of these.................I'll think it over and decide which one or ones I would like to do. And I think this idea just ROCKS! What a cool thing for us to do collectively as a scribal community! What better way to join forces with our fellow scribes the Knowne World over and contribute to the collective knowledge of the world of Illuminated Manuscripts! What a valuable contribution to the SCA this will make! Enthusiastically, ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:18:43 -0700 From: "Kenneth A. Stoner" Subject: [scribes]: Announcing www.ScribalArts.org ! Greetings to you, the hard working Scribes of the Known World from Lord Cystennin Ap Gereint At last, after many years of dreaming, planning, one aborted attempt, and more dreaming... I am finally able to host my own web sites, on my own server, with my own domain, all from my own home. www.ScribalArts.org is finally a reality! Now all I have to do is find content to fill it with. ScribalArts.org is capable of being a full service hosting service. I am offering free web space as well as email accounts to any SCA Scribe that is interested. The site is completely based upon Microsoft (my employer) products and is 100% compatible with the Microsoft Office suite of products, including Word and FrontPage. This means that for many people the process of creating their own web pages will be very easy, for most just a matter of starting up FrontPage! For those that like to use more traditional web technologies, I am able to support FTP updates, Java, and Java-Script. For persons interested in more advanced web content, the site offers the latest in Microsoft technologies, including SQL Server 2000, Active Server Pages (ASP), the new .Net Framework (ASP+), and streaming media. I have lot's of plans: - Free web pages for scribes with no advertising and no space limitations. - Free email accounts for scribes - Broadband content including streaming video of Scribal demos, on-line classes, and broadcast of interesting video's. - A handy place to host information of interest to all scribes: * Frequently asked Question List * Articles by SCA Scribes * Interesting links including links to suppliers of interest. While the site is still brand-new, it is up and can be browsed. Please take a look around, kick the tires and tell me what you think. To get things started, I am publishing all of the documentation I used for five of my projects in the last Kingdom Arts and Sciences Contest for the Kingdom of An Tir, in Word format, with pictures and everything. I also have a tres' cool web cam that on which you might be able to see the web-sites mascots frolicking around on my floor! HL Cystennin Ap Gereint Free Email and Web accounts for SCA Scribes! Kingdom of An Tir www.ScribalArts.org =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:01:37 -0400 From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Illuminated Music Manuscripts? A search at Borders.com for medieval music books turned up nearly 300 results. I only glanced at the first ten, but I'd be willing to bet you can find something there. Laurensa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwendoline Rosamond" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Illuminated Music Manuscripts? > Greetings, > > Off hand I don't know of any books but, there are single leaves on a number > of websites. Such as: > http://wally2.rit.edu/cary/manuscripts/? > http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/dept/scwmss/wmss/medieval/browse.htm > http://sunsite.Berkeley.EDU/Scriptorium/ > > I hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Gwendoline > > At 06:06 AM 6/20/2002 -0700, Suzanne Booth wrote: > >Greetings! > > > >Does anyone out there have any good resources for illuminated music > >manuscripts? I'd like to find documentation on styles of illumination > >used and > >techniques for scribing the music notation. > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > >-- Suzanne > > > >HL Suzanne de la Ferté > >Barony of Bjornsborg, Kingdom of Ansteorra > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:23:28 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article (fwd) Dear folks, What he said. - -- Johannes von Narrenstein Mynydd Seren, Midrealm Greetings Good and Talented scribes, As others have started the germ of an idea so have Master Johannes and I decided to take that and see what grows. If you are interested in researching and writing a short biography about a Medieval Master send me an email (to avoid duplication) and we'll get started on this project... Gevehard von Baden =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: RE: [scribes]: Medieval Master database/ article Dear folks, > I would love to publish these articles on the ScribalArts.org web site! > Cystennin A website that serves as a home and index for these entries and articles is perhaps the best way to go; it could link to photos or articles on other sites, and be updated periodically, and added to without actually reprinting it, and it could be printed off by anyone (within copyright guidelines for fair use). - -- johannes > > Greetings Good and Talented scribes, > > As others have started the germ of an idea so have Master Johannes and > I > > decided to take that and see what grows. If you are interested in > > researching and writing a short biography about a Medieval Master send > me > > an email (to avoid duplication) and we'll get started on this project, > > personally I want to do the Limbourg Brothers, their work is so > amazing. > > This is an awesome idea! Wow! Just think of what we can accomplish if we > do > this together, and how much we can add to the body of knowledge! I want > to > participate, Gevehard! As for who I want to research......let me think > on > that a bit and get back to you! There are several interesting ones I > could > get myself interested in doing. > > Some of the more intriguing ones are those with no name, like the Master > of > Mary of Burgundy, the Master of Catherine of Cleves, the Bedford Master > and > others. And others who we do know by name, like the Brothers Fouquet, > Jean > Colombe, Giovanni dei Grassi, Belbello di Pavia, Jacquemart de Hesdin, > Jean > Pucelle, the Limbourgs (which you're doing, Gevehard), Michelino da > Besozzo, > Jacques Coene, known as the Boucicaut Master and others, well, they are > interesting because we know who they were. > > I could have fun with any one of these.................I'll think it > over > and decide which one or ones I would like to do. And I think this idea > just > ROCKS! What a cool thing for us to do collectively as a scribal > community! > What better way to join forces with our fellow scribes the Knowne World > over > and contribute to the collective knowledge of the world of Illuminated > Manuscripts! What a valuable contribution to the SCA this will make! > > Enthusiastically, > > ~Saradwen > Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > > "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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