From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #91 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, March 19 2002 Volume 07 : Number 091 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. 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Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:22:40 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: [scribes]: Pigment stability question I am working on a scroll in which I am using powdered pigments that I am mixing with gum arabic as my binding agent, and a wee bit of water that has one drop of oxgall in it. For some reason, the pigments are smearing easily when dry, and I am wondering if I am not using enough gum arabic. I put about two drops of it into the mix of powdered pigment in my palette. Should I use more? In the meantime, is there some way to stabilise the paint already on the scroll and prevent more smearing than has already happened? Should I use some kind of spray on fixative that you can buy at the art store, or what? Any help or suggestions would be most sincerely appreciated. Thanks! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:32:58 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question At 05:22 PM 3/18/2002 -0500, Sally Burnell wrote: >I am working on a scroll in which I am using powdered pigments that I am >mixing with gum arabic as my binding agent, and a wee bit of water that has >one drop of oxgall in it. For some reason, the pigments are smearing easily >when dry, and I am wondering if I am not using enough gum arabic. I put >about two drops of it into the mix of powdered pigment in my palette. Should >I use more? Yes, you need more binder. >In the meantime, is there some way to stabilise the paint already on the >scroll and prevent more smearing than has already happened? Should I use >some kind of spray on fixative that you can buy at the art store, or what? Personally, I'd paint a thin layer of binder over what you have already put on the scroll. that usually does it for me. Sometimes I need to do two or three layers, but it works. Better than the icky spray smell too. Smiles, Despina de la off to her hubby's birthday celebration! =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:32:41 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Some pigments will require a little more binder than others. If it smears when lightly rubbed, then it probably needs more binder. Try doubling the amount you are currently using if the smearing is bad. I.E. 4 drops instead of 2. If the Smearing is light, then try three. As a general rule, always paint a test area before applying hand ground paints to a piece. Test for smearing and also check to see if you have too much binder in it. This is evidenced by cracking and glazing. If you have already painted with this paint, try going over it very carefully with some gum water, probably about in a mix of one part gum to 10 parts distilled water. This will keep the smearing from getting worse, but may change the color's tonal value it smidge. Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Sally Burnell [mailto:sburnell@raex.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:23 PM To: SCA Scribes List Subject: [scribes]: Pigment stability question I am working on a scroll in which I am using powdered pigments that I am mixing with gum arabic as my binding agent, and a wee bit of water that has one drop of oxgall in it. For some reason, the pigments are smearing easily when dry, and I am wondering if I am not using enough gum arabic. I put about two drops of it into the mix of powdered pigment in my palette. Should I use more? In the meantime, is there some way to stabilise the paint already on the scroll and prevent more smearing than has already happened? Should I use some kind of spray on fixative that you can buy at the art store, or what? Any help or suggestions would be most sincerely appreciated. Thanks! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:49:33 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Saradwen: When I first learned to use dry pigments, I seem to recall the mix being more gum arabic than water. I'd have to go check out my notes, however. But, yes, you do need to put more than just 2 drops into the mix, like the Cystennin suggests. If you are nervous about painting over your work with more binder, you *could* try Blair Spray Fixative. It comes in a black and olive green can. The smell goes away after a short while. I was taught to use this spray when using Arches Black Cover paper and Japanese Rice papers... as they are both VERY absorbent. However, I think Cystennin gave you about the best advice, although Despina wasn't far behind . Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:27:42 -0800 From: Doug Brownell / Thomas Brownwell Subject: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed Greetings one and all, There has been one tool notably absent -- a dip "crow quill" pen. I love to use them for times when a Rapidograph won't do the job. Unfortunately, you have to free-hand it with these pens because ink tends to go everywhere if you use a ruler / guide. In fact, ink tends to go everywhere on occasion anyway... Best of luck ;-) Thomas - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Douglas Brownell AKA Thomas Brownwell, Calligrapher, brownell@san.rr.com Dancer,Silversmith,Singer,Cobbler,... San Diego, California Barony of Calafia, Caid The 4 elements = good physics:: Or, a fountain, a chief rayonny gules. Goutte enough herald:: (Fieldless) A goutte barry wavy azure and argent. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:07:24 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question OK, so far, thanks a TON for all the advice given, fellow scribes! It is most sincerely and deeply appreciated. Next question, then: Cystennin, you said to make a solution of what you call "gum water", that being 1 part gum to about 10 parts water, and to use that to stabilise the paint already on the scroll. You also said it might change the colour just a smidge. Since I am using water based paint, wouldn't that cause some colour bleed, or rather, wouldn't it thin out the colour too much, if you know what I am trying to ask? Is that going to be enough binder to do the trick? Despina, you kindly suggested just painting over it with a thin layer of gum - this, to me, sounds like the more logical solution, although my question here would have to be, wouldn't it, by nature, make it a tad more "sticky" or even glossy? I plan to do whitework over the base paint that is smearing, so......this is why I am so concerned about this paint smearing so much as it is. Again, my deepest and sincerest gratitude for all the wisdom dispensed. That is why I so love this list! Whenever something goes totally wrong on a scroll and I am stumped for a solution, I know that all I need do is tap into all of your collective experiences and wisdom and someone here will have the answer for me! Thank you is a small word, but it expresses my gratitude to you all! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:32:15 -1000 From: "Michelle O'Malley" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed If you use a cork backed ruler with the crow quill pen the ink will not smear. However I have never tried using a guide/ruler for circles. Khioniya - -----Original Message----- There has been one tool notably absent -- a dip "crow quill" pen. I love to use them for times when a Rapidograph won't do the job. Unfortunately, you have to free-hand it with these pens because ink tends to go everywhere if you use a ruler / guide. In fact, ink tends to go everywhere on occasion anyway... Best of luck ;-) Thomas =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:48 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Are you worried about smearing or strike-through? Smearing happens when you run you fingers over the top of dry paint and smudge the pigment out of place. Strike-through is when the color of the pigment blends into adjacent paint areas or into overlying coats of paint. If your problem is strike-through, then I think the problem will not be how much pigment you apply, but that the pigment itself was prone to strike-through. Some of the water soluable dies that are sold these days as dry artists pigments are famous for this. If you apply straight gum then you will, as you suggestmight happen, get a glazed or glossy look over the top of the paint. The mixture of gum to water will help keep this from happening. If you dont get enough down, go back over it again with a second coat. When this has happened to me, it was enough to put down only one coat of gum-water. Cystennin -----Original Message----- From: Sally Burnell [mailto:sburnell@raex.com] Sent: Mon 3/18/2002 8:07 PM To: SCA Scribes List Cc: Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question OK, so far, thanks a TON for all the advice given, fellow scribes! It is most sincerely and deeply appreciated. Next question, then: Cystennin, you said to make a solution of what you call "gum water", that being 1 part gum to about 10 parts water, and to use that to stabilise the paint already on the scroll. You also said it might change the colour just a smidge. Since I am using water based paint, wouldn't that cause some colour bleed, or rather, wouldn't it thin out the colour too much, if you know what I am trying to ask? Is that going to be enough binder to do the trick? Despina, you kindly suggested just painting over it with a thin layer of gum - this, to me, sounds like the more logical solution, although my question here would have to be, wouldn't it, by nature, make it a tad more "sticky" or even glossy? I plan to do whitework over the base paint that is smearing, so......this is why I am so concerned about this paint smearing so much as it is. Again, my deepest and sincerest gratitude for all the wisdom dispensed. That is why I so love this list! Whenever something goes totally wrong on a scroll and I am stumped for a solution, I know that all I need do is tap into all of your collective experiences and wisdom and someone here will have the answer for me! Thank you is a small word, but it expresses my gratitude to you all! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:01:29 +0000 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question Saradwen, I know others have already replied to this, but I'd like to address it as well. It isn't a matter of needing more binder. It is a matter of needing "STRONGER" binder. It is a proportion of actual "glue stuff" to water that is important. Your wet binder is by definition already diluted. If it wasn't, it would be dry. Your original binder may just be weak and need to be more concentrated. Is it from a jar? If it is, did you add water to the jar, thus diluting it more than necessary? It is better to add the gum to the pigment and then adjust with water in the well (shell) until it is fluid enough to run from the brush as you desire. OK, that being said, you have a scroll to fix. If you want to try to overbind it when it is already painted, be very sure that you take a brush with fairly fluid binder and lay *1* stroke and only one. Do NOT overlap them, especially if there are layers of different colors, because that would cause them to lift and mix. You MUST wait until each existing stroke is dry before laying new binder strokes. The fresh damp will cause a paint film to be soft and susceptible to washing around. Get it bone dry. Also, I would use over binding with fixative with caution. The advantage is that by spraying you don't disturb the lay of colors that are on there. But there are two BIG disadvantages. One is that if you spray too light it will only effect thesurface layer. That won't penetrate into the paper, so it won't be gluing it to the page. You WANT the binding to soak down through the paint film and penetrate the paper for adhesion. Second, if you spray on too much wet binding medium it can over-wet a large area and increase the chance of the page buckling. An airbrush is a good way to go if you have one, but the best precaution might be to tape the page very securely to a board before spraying. Then as it dries it will be more prone to stretching back flat. Caution: paper shrinking is a very powerful effect. It can tear from staples, so use a lot of good tape and a surface that HOLDS tape. If you have the room, staples close together on plywood works great. Good luck with it! RanthulfR Sally Burnell wrote: > > I am working on a scroll in which I am using powdered pigments that I am > mixing with gum arabic as my binding agent, and a wee bit of water that has > one drop of oxgall in it. For some reason, the pigments are smearing easily > when dry, and I am wondering if I am not using enough gum arabic. I put > about two drops of it into the mix of powdered pigment in my palette. Should > I use more? > > In the meantime, is there some way to stabilise the paint already on the > scroll and prevent more smearing than has already happened? Should I use > some kind of spray on fixative that you can buy at the art store, or what? > > Any help or suggestions would be most sincerely appreciated. > > Thanks! > > ~Saradwen > Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:45:16 +0000 From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: [scribes]: Gulf Wars

Thank you to everyone on the list who came by Scribe's Point at Gulf Wars.

Scribe's Point turned out about 100 scrolls give or take - we didn't count. I'm going off of what I saw from the Ansteorra and Gleann Abhainn piles - Meridies unfortunately got put in the king's scroll case or filled in/handed out at court before I got a chance to count them. It was mainly pre-printed scrolls that were painted in scribe's point by fine gentles who were also earning volunteer hours for their kingdoms.

We talked about lots of scribal topics while working, including improvements for next year. Next year I will endeavour to have classes *in* the point and some other activites. We have two nice big rooms to set up in, and I'm going to ask for 5 more tables with the appropriate # of chairs.

Thanks everyone for helping make scribe's point a success and insuring our continued existance at Gulf Wars - the scribe friendly war. :)

 - Isabel


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=================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:44:54 -0800 From: "Suzanna Marshak" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed Greetings, Thank you all so much for your help. I certainly have a lot to consider before my next scribal attempt. Elizabeth Annora Dernelof > [Original Message] > From: Doug Brownell / Thomas Brownwell > To: Scribe's List > Date: 3/18/2002 4:27:42 PM > Subject: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed > > Greetings one and all, > > There has been one tool notably absent -- a dip "crow quill" pen. I > love to use them for times when a Rapidograph won't do the job. > Unfortunately, you have to free-hand it with these pens because ink > tends to go everywhere if you use a ruler / guide. In fact, ink tends > to go everywhere on occasion anyway... Best of luck ;-) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:14:40 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed At 04:27 PM 3/18/2002 -0800, Doug Brownell / Thomas Brownwell wrote: >Greetings one and all, > >There has been one tool notably absent -- a dip "crow quill" pen. I love >to use them for times when a Rapidograph won't do the job. Unfortunately, >you have to free-hand it with these pens because ink tends to go >everywhere if you use a ruler / guide. In fact, ink tends to go >everywhere on occasion anyway... Best of luck ;-) I find that when I use a ruler sufficiently raised above the surface of the paper, and compensate for the larger distance between ruler and actual nib (the barrel being larger and putting the nib a further distance from the ruler), I haven't a problem using a Crow quill with a ruler. Just my two cents. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:03 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: Pigment stability question - --part1_ae.24067d9b.29c8d26b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have already received some good advice... so I won't repeat it. Instead I'll add just a bit more :-) Too much binder is just as bad as not enough. The paint will become brittle and prone to cracking. It may actually start to chip off the page. A little honey mixed in with the binder & pigment will help make the paint more flexible. Eibhlin - --part1_ae.24067d9b.29c8d26b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have already received some good advice... so I won't repeat it. Instead I'll add just a bit more  :-)

Too much binder is just as bad as not enough. The paint will become brittle and prone to cracking. It may actually start to chip off the page. A little honey mixed in with the binder & pigment will help make the paint more flexible.

Eibhlin
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Following the recent discovery of my husband's bank account by the Nigerian Government with Swiss bank in which the huge sum of US$700 million and DM450 million was lodged. I therefore decided to contact you in confidence that I was able to move out the sum of US$50 million dollars into a security trust account. I earnestly implore you for urgent assistance to move this money into safe account where I believe it will be safe, since I cannot leave the country due to the restriction of movement imposed on the members of my family by the Nigerian Government. Meanwhile, we have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum for providing the necessary assistance while 70% is to be held on trust by you until we can decide on a suitable business investment in your country subsequent to our free movement by the Nigerian Government.However, arrangement have been put in place to move this money out as soon as you indicate your interest, you can contact me through my family lawyer ALIYU USMAN (ATTORNEY) on this direct Tel/Fax number:234-1-7594796,my Lawyer shall arrange with you for a meeting outside Nigeria in order to liaise with you towards effective completion of this transaction. When you call, please ask my lawyer to confirm the Tel Line number if he cannot, then know you are not speaking with the right person and drop it and keep trying,this is for security purpose.Please reply urgently and treat with absolute confidentiality and sincerity. Best regards. Dr.Mrs.Mariam Abacha. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:52:20 EST From: KATAKIRA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: [MK-SCRIBES] Illuminated leaves for sale on eBay These leaves are offered for sale by Charles Puckett, the dealer with whom I work. If you can't get in the thick of it for these leaves, there are more in similar styles available--and I'll have them at Middle Coronation in Cleftlands, Pennsic War and other selected Middle Kingdom events. If you do buy any of these leaves, please note in the sale comments section that you're in the SCA. We're tracking number of sales to the SCA and other historical markets. Katarina Peregrine (alias: The Manuscript Lady from Leaves of Our Times Period Manuscript Books and Fragments.) In a message dated 3/15/02 9:06:42 PM, sburnell@raex.com writes: << There are several illuminated leaves for sale on eBay that have no bids on them yet. Here are the URL's - go have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852055292 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852054673 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852056087 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852053929 Who knows, you might be able to start being a serious collector yourself by buying a few of these items, if the prices don't go through the roof! While they may not be overly ornate, still, they aren't bad looking pieces! And if nothing else, these will always appreciate in value, so you can see it as an investment as well. Had I more money, I might make a bid on one or two of them myself, but having just paid off a large credit card debt, and working towards the end of being debt free in a year or two, my goal is just to get myself the heck out of incurred debt so I can have more money to spend on things I want and need. Any takers on these pieces? Any one of you going to bid on one or more of them? ~Saradwen Midrealm - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. Click Here! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MK-SCRIBES-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Please do not reply to it, as it will validate owner-scribes@castle.org as a valid email address. :-( Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Paul obi [mailto:mariam_51abachabp@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:47 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: URGENT REPLY. VERY URGENT/CONFIDENTIAL FROM DR.MARIAM ABACHA C/O ALI USMAN(ATTORNEY). TEL/FAX:234-1-7594796 ATTENTION: I am Dr.Mrs.Mariam Abacha.The widow of the late Gen.Sanni Abacha former Nigeria Military Head of State, who died mysteriously as a result of Cardiac arrest.Since after my husband's death,my family is under restriction of movement and that not withstanding,we are being molested by the police and our bank account here and abroad are being frozen by the Nigerian government for more interrogation about my husband's assets and some vital document. Following the recent discovery of my husband's bank account by the Nigerian Government with Swiss bank in which the huge sum of US$700 million and DM450 million was lodged. I therefore decided to contact you in confidence that I was able to move out the sum of US$50 million dollars into a security trust account. I earnestly implore you for urgent assistance to move this money into safe account where I believe it will be safe, since I cannot leave the country due to the restriction of movement imposed on the members of my family by the Nigerian Government. Meanwhile, we have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum for providing the necessary assistance while 70% is to be held on trust by you until we can decide on a suitable business investment in your country subsequent to our free movement by the Nigerian Government.However, arrangement have been put in place to move this money out as soon as you indicate your interest, you can contact me through my family lawyer ALIYU USMAN (ATTORNEY) on this direct Tel/Fax number:234-1-7594796,my Lawyer shall arrange with you for a meeting outside Nigeria in order to liaise with you towards effective completion of this transaction. When you call, please ask my lawyer to confirm the Tel Line number if he cannot, then know you are not speaking with the right person and drop it and keep trying,this is for security purpose.Please reply urgently and treat with absolute confidentiality and sincerity. Best regards. Dr.Mrs.Mariam Abacha. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: URGENT REPLY. Notification sent to abuse@yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:45:22 -0500 From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Subject: Re: [scribes]: HOAX: URGENT REPLY. Greetings-- > This is a hoax. Please do not reply to it, as it will validate > owner-scribes@castle.org as a valid email address. :-( Hoax is probably not the right word. This is the infamous Nigerian Scam, which people were falling for back when it circulated by fax and letter. They'll happily take your money, all right.... Nicolaa =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:49:51 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question So in other words, Cystennin, I should use, say, 1 drop of gum to about 10 drops of distilled water, yes? Isn't that going to be too little gum, and too wet over all? Seems to me that the lack of enough binder is what got me in hot water in the first place. :-( I'm just curious, that's all. I don't want to ruin this piece and I am already kinda freaking out over what happened, as the pigment smears aren't exactly cleaning up very easily. I have a white plastic eraser that isn't working too good, and I have very, very gently scraped with my Exacto knife to try to pick up the residue left behind, and there's still some residue of the smeared pigment left behind that I may just have to live with.................(sigh) Would a 50/50 ratio of water and gum work? Say, 5 drops of gum to 5 drops water? That way, you wouldn't have too much binder and a risk of cracking, it seems to me, and the water would prevent the stickiness or glossiness that I would worry about with straight over binding. Haven't got any eggs to make glair, I'm afraid. Thanks so far for all the valuable advise given. You all are the best! :-) ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:03:52 EST From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question - --part1_12d.e4d5db3.29c94808_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no experience with period pigments so I can't offer any sage advice, but... If it were me in this situation I would take some of the paint you are working with that smeared and paint some test spots on a scrap of the same kind of paper & let it dry. Then try 1 drop of gum & 10 distilled water on one spot 2 drops gum to 10 drops distilled water on another & 5 & 5 on yet another dot. If you are up to it try the honey & gum & water mixture too. That way you will find out which recipe works the best with the specific pigment you are working with. When it is all over please let us know what worked & what didn't. Good luck. Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_12d.e4d5db3.29c94808_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no experience with period pigments so I can't offer any sage advice, but...  If it were me in this situation I would take some of the paint you are working with that smeared and paint some test spots on a scrap of the same kind of paper & let it dry.  Then try 1 drop of gum & 10 distilled water on one spot 2 drops gum to 10 drops distilled water on another & 5 & 5 on yet another dot.  If you are up to it try the honey & gum & water mixture too.  That way you will find out which recipe works the best with the specific pigment you are working with.

When it is all over please let us know what worked & what didn't.

Good luck.

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_12d.e4d5db3.29c94808_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:13:43 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pigment stability question I have no experience with period pigments so I can't offer any sage advice, but... If it were me in this situation I would take some of the paint you are working with that smeared and paint some test spots on a scrap of the same kind of paper & let it dry. Then try 1 drop of gum & 10 distilled water on one spot 2 drops gum to 10 drops distilled water on another & 5 & 5 on yet another dot. If you are up to it try the honey & gum & water mixture too. That way you will find out which recipe works the best with the specific pigment you are working with. When it is all over please let us know what worked & what didn't. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lady Sarra, GRAND IDEA!! Thanks for the suggestion, and yes, I will definitely pass that along to you all as soon as I've done that! Hmmmm, I don't think I have any honey in the house, but heck, next trip to the store, maybe I'll pick up a small jar to have around for just such experiments! THANKS!!! :-) ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #91 ****************************