From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #90 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, March 18 2002 Volume 07 : Number 090 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed RE: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V7 #89 Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Re: [scribes]: The real thing -- Manuscript auction on eBay Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Re: [scribes]: The real thing -- Manuscript auction on eBay [scribes]: Illuminated leaves for sale on eBay Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed [scribes]: Re: [MK-SCRIBES] Illuminated leaves for sale on eBay [scribes]: Manuscript Source Page [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V7 #89 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:32:13 -0600 From: C Fearon Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed I bought two of those drafting templates that are just circles - if gives me a choice of about 20 different sizes. I can then do lovely circles with almost any pen, including a dip pen. I find it much easier than using the compass. I also found a template for a shield (as in device) which works well for AOA's. Regards Elianora _____________ Elianora Siobhan de Cassell Barony of Castel Rouge Northshield > > Greetings all, > > I was trying to outline a scroll blank with my lovely new Rapidiograph > pen but had troubles with tracing over circles. The layers of > the paint made the pen not want to do a perfect circle, anyone > have any tricks for outlining circles so the come out looking > like good circles and not like a 3rd graders attempt at a circle. > Do I need to get a special compass with an attachment for a > Rapiodiograph? Did any of my rambliings make any sense? I don't > want to ruin another scroll. > > Elizabeth Annora Dernelof > Kingdom of Caid > Glendale, CA > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:42:47 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Marshak" Subject: RE: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Greetings But what do you do if the circle someone drew on the scroll blank you are painting and outlining doesn't fit one of your templates? Elizabeth >--- Original Message --- >From: C Fearon >To: scribes@castle.org >Date: 3/15/02 12:32:13 PM > >I bought two of those drafting templates that are just circles - - if gives me >a choice of about 20 different sizes. I can then do lovely circles with >almost any pen, including a dip pen. I find it much easier than using the >compass. > >I also found a template for a shield (as in device) which works well for >AOA's. > >Regards > >Elianora >_____________ >Elianora Siobhan de Cassell >Barony of Castel Rouge >Northshield > >> >> Greetings all, >> >> I was trying to outline a scroll blank with my lovely new Rapidiograph >> pen but had troubles with tracing over circles. The layers of >> the paint made the pen not want to do a perfect circle, anyone >> have any tricks for outlining circles so the come out looking >> like good circles and not like a 3rd graders attempt at a circle. >> Do I need to get a special compass with an attachment for a >> Rapiodiograph? Did any of my rambliings make any sense? I don't >> want to ruin another scroll. >> >> Elizabeth Annora Dernelof >> Kingdom of Caid >> Glendale, CA >> >> >> =================================================================== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >> with a blank Subject: line and >> unsubscribe scribes >> in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >> the body. >> >> > > >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:41:06 -0500 From: Christine Hutson Subject: [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V7 #89 > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:53:56 -0800 > From: "Elizabeth Marshak" > Subject: [scribes]: outlining help needed > > Greetings all, > > I was trying to outline a scroll blank with my lovely new Rapidiograph > pen but had troubles with tracing over circles. The layers of > the paint made the pen not want to do a perfect circle, anyone > have any tricks for outlining circles so the come out looking > like good circles and not like a 3rd graders attempt at a circle. > Do I need to get a special compass with an attachment for a > Rapiodiograph? Did any of my rambliings make any sense? I don't > want to ruin another scroll. > > Elizabeth Annora Dernelof > Kingdom of Caid > Glendale, CA > Greetings... You do not necessarily need a compass that takes a rapidograph, but one with an inking attachment. It looks like two little prongs with a screw on the side. This is a ruling pen attachment, and lots of inexpensive compasses come with them. You put in any ink or thinned paint, adjust the little prongs for the width of line you want (definitely practice first), and it will give you a perfect circle. You can also try a drafter's circle template; make sure it is for inking (this means it will have little bevelled edges where you draw), so your ink doesn't creep under the plastic template and ruin your work. These are cheap and many art supply stores have them, but there isn't as much variation in circle sizes as you can get with a compass. This way you can use your rapidograph, or any other writing tool to make circles. Hope that helps... Lady Kris Gilibari Barony Marche of Debatable Lands Scribes' Guild Pittsburgh, PA christine_hutson@yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:14:27 -0700 From: Catie Helm-Clark Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed Elizabeth Marshak wrote: > Greetings > But what do you do if the circle someone drew on the scroll blank > you are painting and outlining doesn't fit one of your templates? You could try a french curve, or you could get one of those cool bend-into-any-shape flexible curve-thingies that professional draftsmen use. Both are available at most drafting supply and surveying supply places. ttfn, Therasia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:53:59 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed I've never had a problem with my Rapidograph pens trying to spread out the ink when I'm outlining, although I have had it smear if I'm using a ruler and don't *lift* the ruler up after getting done rather than simply moving it. The ink needs time to dry. But I'm also usually using one of the smallest nibs for outlining too. I've never had any luck with those inking pens - wind up with a big blot rather than a line. And I think a french curve or a flexible ruler is only good for fairly large circles and curves. My flexible ruler will only make circles larger than about 5 inches and even then you have to make sure the ruler itself is getting perfectly round since it's very easy to bend in a side. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:47:16 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed - ----- Original Message from Elizabeth Annora Dernelof----- > > Greetings all, > > I was trying to outline a scroll blank with my lovely new Rapidiograph > pen but had troubles with tracing over circles. The layers of > the paint made the pen not want to do a perfect circle, anyone > have any tricks for outlining circles so the come out looking > like good circles and not like a 3rd graders attempt at a circle. > Do I need to get a special compass with an attachment for a > Rapiodiograph? Did any of my rambliings make any sense? I don't > want to ruin another scroll. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elizabeth... My Apprentice, Kris, did give you a good suggestion, but it also takes a bit of practice to use that type of liner. I have never been able to get my Rapidiograph pens to work after I painted... as the ink tended to want to spread out too much. I always use a fine liner brush and black gouache to outline after painting. It takes a bit of patience and practice, but looks better than getting the skipping and spreading look. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:24:13 -0500 From: "Peter B. Steiner" Subject: Re: [scribes]: The real thing -- Manuscript auction on eBay - --------------6EC88354C2FBCA013BF038A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Thomas! What a treat that was! Everyone - be certain that you follow the link to the high-res images of this manuscript. I don't mean the "supersized" images, but rather the images which are stored on the seller's web site. (The URL is listed in the text of the auction description.) The extra images are scanned at very high resolution - each is approximately 2MB in .jpg format - but they are worth every second of download time. Wonderful exemplars! I doubt we'll be granted another opportunity to see them in the near future. - -Peter- Doug Brownell / Thomas Brownwell wrote: > Greetings, > > I found this item (12 Calendar leaves of a 14th C manuscript) a few days > ago and figured "No one would ever exceed the minimum." Well, someone's > done it... Anyway, I thought I'd pass on the URL so that you could all > drool over it. Of special interest is the fact that Christopher de > Hamel wrote the auction description for it. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=850034668 > > I wonder what *our* work will be worth in, say, 600 years ;-) > > Thomas > > P.S. I bought 6 leaves from this seller a while ago and the transaction > went smoothly. If you have the extra cash lying around, their > manuscript leaves are quite nice. T > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Douglas Brownell AKA Thomas Brownwell, Calligrapher, > brownell@san.rr.com Dancer,Silversmith,Singer,Cobbler,... > San Diego, California Barony of Calafia, Caid > The 4 elements = good physics:: Or, a fountain, a chief rayonny gules. > Goutte enough herald:: (Fieldless) A goutte barry wavy azure and argent. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - --------------6EC88354C2FBCA013BF038A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Thomas!

What a treat that was!

Everyone - be certain that you follow the link to the high-res images of this manuscript.  I don't mean the "supersized" images, but rather the images which are stored on the seller's web site.  (The URL is listed in the text of the auction description.)  The extra images are scanned at very high resolution - each is approximately 2MB in .jpg format - but they are worth every second of download time.  Wonderful exemplars!  I doubt we'll be granted another opportunity to see them in the near future.

-Peter-
 
 

Doug Brownell / Thomas Brownwell wrote:

Greetings,

I found this item (12 Calendar leaves of a 14th C manuscript) a few days
ago and figured "No one would ever exceed the minimum."  Well, someone's
done it...  Anyway, I thought I'd pass on the URL so that you could all
drool over it.   Of special interest is the fact that Christopher de
Hamel wrote the auction description for it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=850034668

I wonder what *our* work will be worth in, say, 600 years ;-)

Thomas

P.S.  I bought 6 leaves from this seller a while ago and the transaction
went smoothly.  If you have the extra cash lying around, their
manuscript leaves are quite nice.  T

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Douglas Brownell       AKA     Thomas Brownwell, Calligrapher,
brownell@san.rr.com             Dancer,Silversmith,Singer,Cobbler,...
San Diego, California              Barony of Calafia, Caid
The 4 elements = good physics:: Or, a fountain, a chief rayonny gules.
Goutte enough herald:: (Fieldless) A goutte barry wavy azure and argent.

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- --------------6EC88354C2FBCA013BF038A8-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:05:26 -0600 From: C Fearon Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_wBaTvOmeAuaHLr+/7PgrIg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings Kahlen It is a Helix Graphics stencil #H18. As an extra bonus for Northshield scribes, it also has a Compass Rose. I found it at Michaels in the kids art supply section. The top of the shield is curvy, so I just leave it off and draw a straight line across. Elianora __________ Elianora Siobhan de Cassell Barony of Castel Rouge Northshield OOOH Where did you find that? Kahlen I also found a template for a shield (as in device) which works well for AOA's. Elianora - --Boundary_(ID_wBaTvOmeAuaHLr+/7PgrIg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Greetings Kahlen
 
It is a Helix Graphics stencil #H18.  As an extra bonus for Northshield scribes, it also has a Compass Rose.   I found it at Michaels in the kids art supply section.  The top of the shield is curvy, so I just leave it off and draw a straight line across.
 
Elianora
__________
Elianora Siobhan de Cassell
Barony of Castel Rouge
Northshield

OOOH Where did you find that?
Kahlen
 
 
I also found a template for a shield (as in device)  which works well for
AOA's.

 Elianora
- --Boundary_(ID_wBaTvOmeAuaHLr+/7PgrIg)-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:34:40 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: The real thing -- Manuscript auction on eBay Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, absolutely FABULOUS pictures! Don't you wish you all had the kind of bucks it'd take to buy stuff like that? Needless to say, I downloaded both the images and the de Hamel description so I could have it all for study material. It's all nicely saved on my hard drive and when I get around to buying more floppies, it'll go on one of those. (I've used up tons of them downloading .jpg's and .gif's of MSS. off the 'Net!) Thanks, Thomas, for alerting us to that! Since so many of these MSS. and leaves end up in the hands of private collectors, there is so much we never get to see. Why, just tonight I spoke on the phone to a private collector whose collection is over 1000 MSS. and individual leaves!! Can you imagine that? Don't I wish..........................(sigh) ~Saradwen, wishing I could win the lottery, buy a nice big house and fill it with real MSS.! Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:57:50 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: [scribes]: Illuminated leaves for sale on eBay There are several illuminated leaves for sale on eBay that have no bids on them yet. Here are the URL's - go have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852055292 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852054673 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852056087 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852053929 Who knows, you might be able to start being a serious collector yourself by buying a few of these items, if the prices don't go through the roof! While they may not be overly ornate, still, they aren't bad looking pieces! And if nothing else, these will always appreciate in value, so you can see it as an investment as well. Had I more money, I might make a bid on one or two of them myself, but having just paid off a large credit card debt, and working towards the end of being debt free in a year or two, my goal is just to get myself the heck out of incurred debt so I can have more money to spend on things I want and need. Any takers on these pieces? Any one of you going to bid on one or more of them? ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: outlining help needed I found both my french curve and my cool bend-into-any-shape flexible curve-thingy at Office Max. Graidhne On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Catie Helm-Clark wrote: > Elizabeth Marshak wrote: > > Greetings > > But what do you do if the circle someone drew on the scroll blank > > you are painting and outlining doesn't fit one of your templates? > > You could try a french curve, or you could get one of those > cool bend-into-any-shape flexible curve-thingies that professional > draftsmen use. Both are available at most drafting supply and > surveying supply places. > ttfn, Therasia > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:54:19 EST From: KATAKIRA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: [MK-SCRIBES] Illuminated leaves for sale on eBay These leaves are offered for sale by Charles Puckett, the dealer with whom I work. If you can't get in the thick of it for these leaves, there are more in similar styles available--and I'll have them at Middle Coronation in Cleftlands, Pennsic War and other selected Middle Kingdom events. If you do buy any of these leaves, please note in the sale comments section that you're in the SCA. We're tracking number of sales to the SCA and other historical markets. Katarina Peregrine (alias: The Manuscript Lady from Leaves of Our Times Period Manuscript Books and Fragments.) In a message dated 3/15/02 9:06:42 PM, sburnell@raex.com writes: << There are several illuminated leaves for sale on eBay that have no bids on them yet. Here are the URL's - go have a look: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852055292 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852054673 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852056087 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=852053929 Who knows, you might be able to start being a serious collector yourself by buying a few of these items, if the prices don't go through the roof! While they may not be overly ornate, still, they aren't bad looking pieces! And if nothing else, these will always appreciate in value, so you can see it as an investment as well. Had I more money, I might make a bid on one or two of them myself, but having just paid off a large credit card debt, and working towards the end of being debt free in a year or two, my goal is just to get myself the heck out of incurred debt so I can have more money to spend on things I want and need. Any takers on these pieces? Any one of you going to bid on one or more of them? ~Saradwen Midrealm - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. Click Here! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MK-SCRIBES-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:06:43 -0900 From: Mike Adams Subject: [scribes]: Manuscript Source Page http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/texts/class.pictures.html http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbooknew.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:09:10 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: outlining help needed - --part1_182.5348ecf.29c627b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have any trouble with the ink in my Rapidiographs since I started using Higgin's Black Magic in them. ;-) They clog occasionally & I have to tear them apart to clean them, but they give a good clean line - even on top of gold leaf. For inking circles.... I use templates for the smaller ones, but I also have a compass that has an interchangeable pencil point/ink nib for when I need something larger than 2 inches. The nib on the compass can be adjusted to make thin or thick lines. It is made by Staedtler. Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc - --part1_182.5348ecf.29c627b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have any trouble with the ink in my Rapidiographs since I started using Higgin's Black Magic in them. ;-) They clog occasionally & I have to tear them apart to clean them, but they give a good clean line - even on top of gold leaf.

For inking circles.... I use templates for the smaller ones, but I also have a compass that has an interchangeable pencil point/ink nib for when I need something larger than 2 inches. The nib on the compass can be adjusted to make thin or thick lines. It is made by Staedtler.

Eibhlin ni Chaoimh
AEthelmearc - --part1_182.5348ecf.29c627b6_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:42:07 -0800 From: "Lori Rael Northon" Subject: [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V7 #89 Elizabeth, It has been my experience that a *VERY* light pressure on the paper with the barrel almost in a perpendicular position to the paper seems to help when tracing over paint, especially gouache. If you use a heavier hand, the tip of the pen just scraps up the paint, and that in turn will clog the tip of the pen and no ink will be distributed. If you so choose to use them, there are circle templates available with numerous sizes of circles ranging from extremely small to well over 2 inches in diameter. These really do help when trying to make crisp, even circles. Just make sure you put little bits of tape all over on the solid parts of the back of the template to hold it up off your paper. Otherwise any ink you lay down will bleed under the edge if it touches the paper, leaving a terrible mess to clean up. Good luck! HL Tamsin de Lesseley of Seabeck, JdL Chatelaine, Shire of Wyewood, An Tir mka Lori Rael Northon Auburn, WA > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:53:56 -0800 > From: "Elizabeth Marshak" > Subject: [scribes]: outlining help needed > > Greetings all, > > I was trying to outline a scroll blank with my lovely new Rapidiograph > pen but had troubles with tracing over circles. The layers of > the paint made the pen not want to do a perfect circle, anyone > have any tricks for outlining circles so the come out looking > like good circles and not like a 3rd graders attempt at a circle. > Do I need to get a special compass with an attachment for a > Rapiodiograph? Did any of my rambliings make any sense? I don't > want to ruin another scroll. > > Elizabeth Annora Dernelof > Kingdom of Caid > Glendale, CA > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #90 ****************************