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 Re: [scribes]: Ebb & Flow
 Re: [scribes]: Another Introduction, As Requested
 [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts
 [scribes]: Laurelate, Ebb & Flow, Scribal Organization etc.
 Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts
 Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?
 Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?
 Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts
 Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?
 [scribes]: Re: Ebb & Flow
 Re: [scribes]: Laurelate, Ebb & Flow, Scribal Organization etc.
 Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts
 Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?
 [scribes]: Congratulations

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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:34:08 -0500
From: Susan Arthur <susanart@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ebb & Flow

Greetings, all,

I have been following this thread with some interest. When I read the first
letter about there being more garb Laurels than scribal, I had to kinda
laugh..... one of the first things I heard here in Atlantia about the
varying "types" of Laurels was that it is harder to get a Laurel in garb
than other things, since nearly *everyone* has to make garb! In that
situation, it can be harder to stand out. In the years since I heard that,
I haven't actually paid much attention to the raltive numbers of each, but
I don't think the discrepancy is huge, one way or the other.

As to recognition, well, as Baroness, I have it within my power to do a
little something about that. <g> When I have scrolls made for Baronial
court, we announce in court who made them, and when appropriate I throw in
that it is the person's first scroll. Since I am also head of the
Scriptorium, I have a pretty good sense of that! When I have made the
scroll myself, I let someone else do the announcing (don't want to sound
like the kid on TV who says "*I* made this!") <g> 

Occasionally, we have Crowns who announce the scribe's name in court. I
remember hearing a discussion of whether announcing the scribe's name
detracts from the attention given the recipient ("Who is getting the award
should be more important than who made the scroll.") Guess I disagree with
that. Sometimes when the scroll was made by a scribe of note, it even kind
of seems to enhance the honor paid the recipient.

Lucia, who is glad to be back on the list

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Lucia Bellini
Baroness, Windmasters' Hill
Companion of the Pearl
Guildmistress, Windmasters' Hill Scriptorium
http://scribe.atlantia.sca.org/gallery/Lucia
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:46:34 -0700
From: "Eva Mehlhose" <Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Another Introduction, As Requested

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  Here I hadn't fully realized the difference until I saw the portfolios =
at the Scribal Tea at Estrella-- I realized that the work of the less =
experienced scribes seemed to be closely modeled after that of the =
experienced ones, usually in layout, but also in the style of =
calligraphy and sometimes the style of illumination as well.  They were =
not copies, but the beginning scribes obviously had mentors helping them =
get started.  By comparison, I have never had such direct help from =
anyone-- general advice, yes, but never help on a particular scroll-- =
and many of the scribes I know could say the same. My models have always =
been pictures of the manuscripts themselves, not the work of other =
scribes.  (This sounds like a good thing in theory, but it's a rough way =
to start.)=20

  All so true. One of the displayed portfolios was all lasercopies of =
novice and student Scribes primarily working with the SunDragon =
Scriptorium based in Glendale/Phoenix ,Arizona. This group meets weekly =
and it's pretty much a free for all. Whatever scroll someone wants to =
tackle, Mistress Branwen and I help with set up and design input and any =
other help desired. Often more than one person ends up working on a =
piece. Usually Branwen or I design the scroll, another illuminates, =
another calligs it. Some scrolls we had literally one gold leafer, one =
painter, one miniaturist and one calligrapher working on. It's a ton of =
fun. And as skill level and experience comes up more and more of the =
scribes become independent of our assistance. I love it.
  Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle
  aka Alex the scribe
  Kingdom Signet Atenveldt


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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:13:56 -0500
From: Fionnseach du Lochielle <judi@frognet.net>
Subject: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts

Greetings all:

Touching on the subject of teaching (or being taught) the 'scribal arts' I would like to say that, while I myself have not had the opportunity to learn from a Scribal Laurel yet, I am most willing to teach what little I know. 

Dernehealde is a small shire (smaller now that it has been in its glorious past) and so far, I can count the number of scribes (that I'm aware of) on two fingers - and one is in Peru currently. I am a person of dreams however, and recently, on the Dernehealde list, I announced that I was going to be holding a scribal workshop. 

I suppose I should come out of the closet and lay bare my skeletons....I mentioned that I had a 'previous life' in the SCA...that previous persona was known as Qajir al-Katiba (literally 'Qajir the scribe' - given to me by Sayf Al-Qamar 
Tarik ibn Abdul on my AoA scroll during Osis and Valthiona's reign). That persona was also an Oaken Regional Signet (before the splitting to North and South Oaken). I may not have been the best Regional Signet, but hopefully I wasn't the worst either. There....now my conscience is clear. 

Back to the teaching thing....To me, it is a joy to share and encourage a 'love affair' if you will, with the scribal arts. And as most of us know, any love affair will have its share of heart-ache. It is my hope that I will be able to get enough people here interested in learning (and DOING) scrolls that we can have a scribal guild. For me, I'll even make it a guild if there is just one other person here besides me doing scrolls.....gotta start small and build with what you have available. 

So, now that I have laid out a rough outline of my plans for the Dernehealde Scribal Guild, anyone have any suggestions for making it a 'Good Thing(tm)'? :)

Great things start with a small (but ambitious!) dream......

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Not to take, but to receive.

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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:17:28 EST
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Laurelate, Ebb & Flow, Scribal Organization etc.

Just throwing my .02 pieces of bellybutton lint into it:

For what it's worth, I've heard the same rumor about being a scribe in the East - how some people think it's a fast track toward being a Laurel. Just like costuming. Honestly? I don't believe it.

I always thought that becoming a Laurel was supposed to be some long, not always easy process. I've been asked by others if I have considered apprenticing myself to a C&I Laurel, considering my background in art. Had I the time to travel to an active C&I Laurel during the week, I might become a student, but not an apprentice. The SCA is a large opportunity to not just escape the mundane, but learn new skills as well. Which could be why, like it was said before, many people do scrolls on the side.

I think the number of C&I Laurels may be relative to the amount of encouragement and appreciation given to scribes, yes... But scribal arts, like garb and accessories, are very visual. Kinda hard to miss those beaded dresses, the leather circlets, and the like. All of which are, to say the least, amazing to behold, much like the scrolls we produce. You can tell when a scribe has poured their heart out into the page. ;)

Scroll assignments over here in the East are generally assigned by the area the scribe is from (or travels to on a regular basis), but that doesn't mean that we don't get assignments for events that are more than 3-5 hours away from us. In which case, FedEx, etc. becomes very handy. It doesn't happen that often (though in the current reign it's happened to me about 2-3 times).

When I joined the SCA, I tried for a year to contact the deputy Signet, or the signet herself. E-mails at the time were changing, hence messages were bounced, etc. I let that, AND viewing a professional illustrator's work as a SCAdian scribe (don't get sucked into this) discourage me from thinking I would ever measure up, much less find the right person to contact. Eventually I wound up dating a SCAdian fighter for a couple of months, who also happened to be an artist and scribe, and knew of a C&I Laurel in the neighboring province. After introducing me to her, she and I met up and were able to review the basics, and gave me the right e-mail address. As for the discouragement issue, I've learned that everyone has their own style. Mundane professional or no, we're all accepted as scribes.

The idea of forming the workshops out in An Dubhaigheainn stemmed from being part of this list. Beforehand, I didn't know that scribes guilds existed, and although there is one mostly inactive C&I Laurel out here that I know of, you don't need to be a Laurel to teach, much less organize a group. I've made it clear to the class on that one - that I am still learning, even after 16 years of mundane calligraphy experience and a background in art. You don't even need an art degree to become a scribe, just a little creativity and talent. 

Hopefully by being active as a scribe and doing some teaching for the barony, I could help others find their own way on the "quest" toward becoming a scribe. ;)

YIS,

Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" 
(East, An Dubhaigheainn)
Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY

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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:19:17 -0500
From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" <nicolaa@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts

Greetings--

> Back to the teaching thing....To me, it is a joy to share and encourage a
'love affair' if you will, with the scribal arts. And as most of us know,
any love affair will have its share of heart-ache. It is my hope that I will
be able to get enough people here interested in learning (and DOING) scrolls
that we can have a scribal guild. For me, I'll even make it a guild if there
is just one other person here besides me doing scrolls.....gotta start small
and build with what you have available.
>
> So, now that I have laid out a rough outline of my plans for the
Dernehealde Scribal Guild, anyone have any suggestions for making it a 'Good
Thing(tm)'? :)

I just figured out you're my neighbor--I'm up in Tirnewydd. I got a scribal
group going up there by bringing scribe stuff out to meetings and offering
to let people play. I provided paper, patterns to trace (for those just
beginning), paint, brushes, and the knowledge that we'd be there most every
week for anyone who wanted to give things a try.  When I started, I had very
little illumination experience, although I was an experienced calligrapher.
I did have motivation, however--I had taken the position of baronial signet,
and the Baron and Baroness had expressed a desire to have a scroll for every
baronial award--something that had never been done before.  I had the job
for two years, and am happy to say that because of that group of folks doing
scribal stuff at meetings, we delivered on that promise.

Here's what will happen:  You'll get a few folks who will try it out and
that's about it. You will get others that may do a scroll here or there. And
you will hopefully get some that turn into serious scribes.  The good thing
is that even those who only try it once will have some familiarity with the
scribal arts (and hopefully will never do anything awful like fold their
scroll in half or toss it in the armor bag :-)

If you get a group of folks going, I highly recommend doing baronial scrolls
as a way of getting your feet wet. The Middle Marches baronial signet will
also be really, really happy.  (I can get you her contact info if you don't
have it....)

Nicolaa

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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:03:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Angel Ludwig <angel_ludwig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?

Baroness Greta of Ponte Alto recommended using the gold guache as a binder for gold
powder/pigment. It gives it a better thickness and depth of color.

- --- KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote:
> I know we've had this discussion a few times in the past, but I'm heading out to an art supply
> store in 10 minutes and will be near a Michael's and AC Moore this weekend up in Connecticut...
> 
> Basically I'm looking for a recommendation for a gold paint. I have Windsor & Newton gouache
> (which looks coppery), W&N ink (which oxidizes and eventually turns greenish), and have Testor's
> enamel (which requires an underlay of paint/gesso to prevent the oil from seeping through the
> paper).
> 
> The local art supply shop doesn't carry Pelican products anymore (I just called) -- perhaps one
> of the ones in CT might, but if I don't get anything during lunch hour, I'd love to hear any
> recommendation for a means of using paint instead of the 24 kt. leaf I have, for (extra fine)
> detail work on a current assignment.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe"
> An Dubhaigheainn, East
> (E.Frank, Long Island, NY)
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Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:38:38 -0500
From: Fionnseach du Lochielle <judi@frognet.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?

Does this work well with the Daniel Smith's Metallic watercolor (I use the Richgold color as it looks the 'brightest')?

Speaking of which, I'm still trying to get it to look less 'grainy'...anyone use this before? If so, what's the secret to making it look less grainy?

Many thanks...
Fionnseach

Angel Ludwig put into words:
>Baroness Greta of Ponte Alto recommended using the gold guache as a binder for gold
>powder/pigment. It gives it a better thickness and depth of color.

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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 02:53:03 -0600
From: Gwendoline Rosamond <dameg@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts

At 10:13 AM 3/2/2002 -0500, Fionnseach du Lochielle wrote:
>Greetings all:
>
>Touching on the subject of teaching (or being taught) the 'scribal arts' I 
>would like to say that, while I myself have not had the opportunity to 
>learn from a Scribal Laurel yet, I am most willing to teach what little I 
>know.

<snip>

>Back to the teaching thing....To me, it is a joy to share and encourage a 
>'love affair' if you will, with the scribal arts. And as most of us know, 
>any love affair will have its share of heart-ache. It is my hope that I 
>will be able to get enough people here interested in learning (and DOING) 
>scrolls that we can have a scribal guild. For me, I'll even make it a 
>guild if there is just one other person here besides me doing 
>scrolls.....gotta start small and build with what you have available.

<snip>

>Great things start with a small (but ambitious!) dream......

I agree.  : )  I tried my hand at the teaching thing today.  I'm still 
pretty new to Northshield and went to an event today, knowing almost no 
one.  So, I brought out my scribal stuff and set up shop at a table in a 
corner.  Because of this I met some lovely new people, and convinced 4 
adults and 3 kids to try their hands at illumination.  It was really cool & 
we all had lots of fun.  I feel like I really accomplished something and at 
least one of the people left saying "hey, I CAN do this!" and asked what 
supplies they needed to get started on their own.... Tee hee!  Another 
convert...  Who knows, we might evolve a guild eventually.

Cheers,
Gwendoline

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:39:47 -0500
From: "Sally Burnell" <sburnell@raex.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?

> Speaking of which, I'm still trying to get it to look less
'grainy'...anyone use this before? If so, what's the secret to making it
look less grainy?

I don't use Daniel Smith gold, but rather I use Windsor and Newton gold ink,
the only reason being that it doesn't have that awful bronze tone to it that
so many gold inks and paints have.

W&N gold ink is also unfortunately grainy, but I've found a nifty solution
to that. I layer on about 3-4 layers of it, then after allowing it to
thoroughly dry, I take glassine paper, place it over the gold and burnish it
with my burnishing stone.

That really seems to work great and greatly reduces the graininess of the
ink.

Try doing that and see if it works!

~Saradwen
  Midrealm

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:18:38 EST
From: RenScribe@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Re: Ebb & Flow

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I really don't see any correlation in AEthelmearc between the number of 
active C&I Laurels and the number of scribes. 

What seems to have more effect is the amount of respect the scribes receive. 
When the scribes know how special they are and how much their efforts are 
appreciated the number of scribes increases. When the scribes are happy and 
having fun, they just seem to inspire others. 

I am blessed to be a scribe here. The scribal community is really close knit 
and the scribes are kind, knowledgeable and willing to share ideas, materials 
& resources. :-) 
Occasionally recipients send out thank you notes. It's a great feeling to get 
a positive comment from a fellow scribe - which happens often. The heralds 
usually read the names of the scribe/s who do a piece right after they finish 
reading the text. The name of the scribe is part of the court record, and as 
such is published in the kingdom newsletter, right after the name of the 
recipient and award. The royalty themselves often thank the scribes publicly 
for the scrolls. During the reigns of Cygnus & Dorinda we were called forward 
to be recognized at courts where we did scrolls and received small favors 
from them. I still have mine on my basket :-)

I was recognized as a Laurel in C&I last spring....
I started out in the SCA as a costumer - with over 20 years mundane sewing 
experience, several years of that as a professional. I had no experience as 
an artist and no art classes in school past 6th grade because I was terrible 
at it (as soon as I could choose another elective, I did). I have researched 
as much costume as I have C&I, taught many classes on garb, judged costuming 
categories at Ice Dragon (our major kingdom A&S event) and put as much effort 
and attention to detail into my garb as I do with scribal arts. I have heard 
much praise and won a few A&S competitions, but never been recognized with an 
award for my costuming skills. My name is just associated more with the 
scribal arts. It has been announced with every scroll I've done - over 100 of 
my scrolls live on other peoples' walls. The clothing I make is mostly for my 
family and friends. It isn't announced in court like my scrolls. I get 
giggles just thinking about ... What if costumers and scribes received equal 
recognition.....   "Their Majesties call before them, Lord/Lady ...x... who 
is wearing a lovely 14th century ensemble designed and constructed by...."  <
grin>

Eibhlin ni Chaoimh
AEthelmearc

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT  style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>I really don't see any correlation in AEthelmearc between the number of active C&amp;I Laurels and the number of scribes. <BR>
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What seems to have more effect is the amount of respect the scribes receive. When the scribes know how special they are and how much their efforts are appreciated the number of scribes increases. When the scribes are happy and having fun, they just seem to inspire others. <BR>
<BR>
I am blessed to be a scribe here. The scribal community is really close knit and the scribes are kind, knowledgeable and willing to share ideas, materials &amp; resources. :-) <BR>
Occasionally recipients send out thank you notes. It's a great feeling to get a positive comment from a fellow scribe - which happens often. The heralds usually read the names of the scribe/s who do a piece right after they finish reading the text. The name of the scribe is part of the court record, and as such is published in the kingdom newsletter, right after the name of the recipient and award. The royalty themselves often thank the scribes publicly for the scrolls. During the reigns of Cygnus &amp; Dorinda we were called forward to be recognized at courts where we did scrolls and received small favors from them. I still have mine on my basket :-)<BR>
<BR>
I was recognized as a Laurel in C&amp;I last spring....<BR>
I started out in the SCA as a costumer - with over 20 years mundane sewing experience, several years of that as a professional. I had no experience as an artist and no art classes in school past 6th grade because I was terrible at it (as soon as I could choose another elective, I did). I have researched as much costume as I have C&amp;I, taught many classes on garb, judged costuming categories at Ice Dragon (our major kingdom A&amp;S event) and put as much effort and attention to detail into my garb as I do with scribal arts. I have heard much praise and won a few A&amp;S competitions, but never been recognized with an award for my costuming skills. My name is just associated more with the scribal arts. It has been announced with every scroll I've done - over 100 of my scrolls live on other peoples' walls. The clothing I make is mostly for my family and friends. It isn't announced in court like my scrolls. I get giggles just thinking about ... What if costumers and scribes received equal recognition.....&nbsp;&nbsp; "Their Majesties call before them, Lord/Lady ...x... who is wearing a lovely 14th century ensemble designed and constructed by...."&nbsp; &lt;grin&gt;<BR>
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Eibhlin ni Chaoimh<BR>
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:39:35 -0700
From: "Eva Mehlhose" <Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Laurelate, Ebb & Flow, Scribal Organization etc.

Master  of mine
 would you please do me a favor and introduce yourself to Kayleigh? You
happen to live only 3 hours away from her.
Thank you Jonathan
Alex, your ever mischieveous apprentice
Kingdom Signet Atenveldt

> Just throwing my .02 pieces of bellybutton lint into it:
>
> For what it's worth, I've heard the same rumor about being a scribe in the
East - how some people think it's a fast track toward being a Laurel. Just
like costuming. Honestly? I don't believe it.
>
> I always thought that becoming a Laurel was supposed to be some long, not
always easy process. I've been asked by others if I have considered
apprenticing myself to a C&I Laurel, considering my background in art. Had I
the time to travel to an active C&I Laurel during the week, I might become a
student, but not an apprentice. The SCA is a large opportunity to not just
escape the mundane, but learn new skills as well. Which could be why, like
it was said before, many people do scrolls on the side.
>
> I think the number of C&I Laurels may be relative to the amount of
encouragement and appreciation given to scribes, yes... But scribal arts,
like garb and accessories, are very visual. Kinda hard to miss those beaded
dresses, the leather circlets, and the like. All of which are, to say the
least, amazing to behold, much like the scrolls we produce. You can tell
when a scribe has poured their heart out into the page. ;)
>
> Scroll assignments over here in the East are generally assigned by the
area the scribe is from (or travels to on a regular basis), but that doesn't
mean that we don't get assignments for events that are more than 3-5 hours
away from us. In which case, FedEx, etc. becomes very handy. It doesn't
happen that often (though in the current reign it's happened to me about 2-3
times).
>
> When I joined the SCA, I tried for a year to contact the deputy Signet, or
the signet herself. E-mails at the time were changing, hence messages were
bounced, etc. I let that, AND viewing a professional illustrator's work as a
SCAdian scribe (don't get sucked into this) discourage me from thinking I
would ever measure up, much less find the right person to contact.
Eventually I wound up dating a SCAdian fighter for a couple of months, who
also happened to be an artist and scribe, and knew of a C&I Laurel in the
neighboring province. After introducing me to her, she and I met up and were
able to review the basics, and gave me the right e-mail address. As for the
discouragement issue, I've learned that everyone has their own style.
Mundane professional or no, we're all accepted as scribes.
>
> The idea of forming the workshops out in An Dubhaigheainn stemmed from
being part of this list. Beforehand, I didn't know that scribes guilds
existed, and although there is one mostly inactive C&I Laurel out here that
I know of, you don't need to be a Laurel to teach, much less organize a
group. I've made it clear to the class on that one - that I am still
learning, even after 16 years of mundane calligraphy experience and a
background in art. You don't even need an art degree to become a scribe,
just a little creativity and talent.
>
> Hopefully by being active as a scribe and doing some teaching for the
barony, I could help others find their own way on the "quest" toward
becoming a scribe. ;)
>
> YIS,
>
> Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe"
> (East, An Dubhaigheainn)
> Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY
>
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:48:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Teaching the scribal arts

One really important thing is *consistency*.  If everyone knows that it's
always on Tuesday and always at so-and-so's house (or in the library, or
wherever) they don't have to guess or try to remember if it's this week or
not (is this the third Tuesday or the fourth?), where it is this time, or
whether anyone will show or not.  Having books with a variety of styles is
helpful, and a kit of materials for anyone who has never tried it before
helps too.

Graidhne

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Fionnseach du Lochielle wrote:

> Greetings all:
> 
> Touching on the subject of teaching (or being taught) the 'scribal arts' I would like to say that, while I myself have not had the opportunity to learn from a Scribal Laurel yet, I am most willing to teach what little I know. 
> 
> Dernehealde is a small shire (smaller now that it has been in its glorious past) and so far, I can count the number of scribes (that I'm aware of) on two fingers - and one is in Peru currently. I am a person of dreams however, and recently, on the Dernehealde list, I announced that I was going to be holding a scribal workshop. 
> 
> I suppose I should come out of the closet and lay bare my skeletons....I mentioned that I had a 'previous life' in the SCA...that previous persona was known as Qajir al-Katiba (literally 'Qajir the scribe' - given to me by Sayf Al-Qamar 
> Tarik ibn Abdul on my AoA scroll during Osis and Valthiona's reign). That persona was also an Oaken Regional Signet (before the splitting to North and South Oaken). I may not have been the best Regional Signet, but hopefully I wasn't the worst either. There....now my conscience is clear. 
> 
> Back to the teaching thing....To me, it is a joy to share and encourage a 'love affair' if you will, with the scribal arts. And as most of us know, any love affair will have its share of heart-ache. It is my hope that I will be able to get enough people here interested in learning (and DOING) scrolls that we can have a scribal guild. For me, I'll even make it a guild if there is just one other person here besides me doing scrolls.....gotta start small and build with what you have available. 
> 
> So, now that I have laid out a rough outline of my plans for the Dernehealde Scribal Guild, anyone have any suggestions for making it a 'Good Thing(tm)'? :)
> 
> Great things start with a small (but ambitious!) dream......
> 
> ~=Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle=~
> Not to have, but to give;
> Not to take, but to receive.
> 
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:41:41 EST
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold Paint (again) ?

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In a message dated 3/3/02 2:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sburnell@raex.com 
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> W&N gold ink is also unfortunately grainy, but I've found a nifty solution
> to that. I layer on about 3-4 layers of it, then after allowing it to
> thoroughly dry, I take glassine paper, place it over the gold and burnish it
> with my burnishing stone.
> 
> 

Sidenote: The acrylic version of the W&N gold ink is a little on the reddish 
gold side, looks nice though. I've also seen the flakes for the brassy gold 
available in powder form - I think it was another brand, though - with a nice 
large warning on the back of the jar about it containing copper of a sort. 
Which could also explain that green tint it gets when oxidized, not just 
because of the brass substance in it?

The Schminke and the Holbein watercolors have practically the same color 
bright gold to them, from what I've seen so far. Both have worked beautifully 
though (thank you for the recommendations for them, everyone).

Until Next...

Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East)
'Beth Frank, Long Island NY

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 3/3/02 2:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sburnell@raex.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">W&amp;N gold ink is also unfortunately grainy, but I've found a nifty solution
<BR>to that. I layer on about 3-4 layers of it, then after allowing it to
<BR>thoroughly dry, I take glassine paper, place it over the gold and burnish it
<BR>with my burnishing stone.
<BR>
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<BR>Sidenote: The acrylic version of the W&amp;N gold ink is a little on the reddish gold side, looks nice though. I've also seen the flakes for the brassy gold available in powder form - I think it was another brand, though - with a nice large warning on the back of the jar about it containing copper of a sort. Which could also explain that green tint it gets when oxidized, not just because of the brass substance in it?
<BR>
<BR>The Schminke and the Holbein watercolors have practically the same color bright gold to them, from what I've seen so far. Both have worked beautifully though (thank you for the recommendations for them, everyone).
<BR>
<BR>Until Next...
<BR>
<BR>Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East)
<BR>'Beth Frank, Long Island NY</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:41:28 -0800
From: "Tammy L. Williams" <tamlyn@gte.net>
Subject: [scribes]: Congratulations

Congratulations to HL Cystennin Ap Gereint on winning An Tir Arts and
Sciences this last weekend and becoming An Tir's A&S Champion this year.
His entries included a knife for cutting quills, several period pigments and
a oak gall ink that he produced from instructions in Cennini, Theophilus,
and "The Booke of Secrets", a cloissonne placque, two scrolls - Winchestor
and Northern Rennaisance (from a black book of hours) styles, and a research
paper on various gilting methods.

Tam

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