From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #83 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 07 : Number 083 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: silver leaf [scribes]: Period Church Latin translation needed, please [scribes]: Re:Period Church Latin translation needed, please Re: [scribes]: silver leaf Re: [scribes]: silver leaf RE: [scribes]: silver leaf Re: [scribes]: silver leaf [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing [scribes]: New Manesse Web Page [scribes]: howdy [scribes]: Introduction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Barb Ding Subject: [scribes]: silver leaf Greetings all - my apologies to anyone getting this twice. A local art supply is going out of business; there wasn't much left when I was there last night but they did have books of silver leaf at half price which is about $8/book of 25 leaves, 3x3". They had about a dozen books. I can get there after work on Friday and would be happy to pick up some leaf if anyone wants some and deliver on Saturday at the Scribal Quest (East Kingdom, Eisental) or ship it directly to you (shipping probably less than $1) as you prefer. Please drop me a line (privately, so as not to clutter the lists) by noon on Friday 3/1 if you're interested! Dorren Iron Bog, East Kingdom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:35:01 -0500 From: "D Humberson" Subject: [scribes]: Period Church Latin translation needed, please Could I ask some kind soul on this list to translate "The Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword" into period church Latin? My thanks to the list. Ragnar Ketilsson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:30:48 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re:Period Church Latin translation needed, please - --part1_72.185c3f20.29ae55a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 9:36:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, dhumbers@hotmail.com writes: > Could I ask some kind soul on this list to translate "The Pen Is Mightier > Than The Sword" into period church Latin? My thanks to the list. I know I've seen it somewhere. It may be on this site. http://w1.871.telia.com/~u87112797/show-off.html#top Sententiae Latinae - Latin Maxims It's several pages full of Latin phrases & mottoes. I use it a lot when I want to start a scroll with a Latin phrase. Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc - --part1_72.185c3f20.29ae55a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/27/2002 9:36:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, dhumbers@hotmail.com writes:

Could I ask some kind soul on this list to translate "The Pen Is Mightier
Than The Sword" into period church Latin? My thanks to the list.

I know I've seen it somewhere. It may be on this site.
http://w1.871.telia.com/~u87112797/show-off.html#top
Sententiae Latinae - Latin Maxims

It's several pages full of Latin phrases & mottoes. I use it a lot when I want to start a scroll with a Latin phrase.

Eibhlin ni Chaoimh
AEthelmearc - --part1_72.185c3f20.29ae55a8_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:22 -0600 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver leaf Greetings, Well, on the subject of silver leaf... How do all you talented & knowledgeable people out there seal the leaf so it doesn't turn funky colours (oxidize)? Is there any evidence that that kind of sealing wouldn't have been done during SCA period? Cheers, Gwendoline At 05:32 AM 2/27/2002 -0800, Barb Ding wrote: >Greetings all - my apologies to anyone getting this >twice. > >A local art supply is going out of business; there >wasn't much left when I was there last night but they >did have books of silver leaf at half price which is >about $8/book of 25 leaves, 3x3". They had about a >dozen books. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:08:42 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver leaf At 12:43 PM 2/27/2002 -0600, Gwendoline Rosamond wrote: >Greetings, > >Well, on the subject of silver leaf... How do all you talented & >knowledgeable people out there seal the leaf so it doesn't turn funky >colours (oxidize)? Most people I know use substitute and not real silver leaf - such as aluminum or pallidam (sp?) rather than have to worry about the oxidation. >Is there any evidence that that kind of sealing wouldn't have been done >during SCA period? I haven't looked for it, so I am not sure. I've heard several suggestions but so far none that I've been willing to try. I figure if I want to do something with real silver leaf, I warn the recipient that it's going to tarnish. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:26:11 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: silver leaf Certainly. If I am not mistaken, doesn't Cennini mention something about varnishing silver leaf to keep it from turning black? I know he talks about doing overglazes on silver leaf to make it look like water, etc. Regardless, using tin leaf is also period, Theophilus and Cennini both talk about it. It will not oxidize nearly as bad as the silver, either. If you cannot find tin leaf try using "white gold leaf" which is only about 3$ per book more expensive that 22Kt gold leaf. Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Gwendoline Rosamond [mailto:dameg@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:43 AM To: SCA Scribes Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver leaf Greetings, Well, on the subject of silver leaf... How do all you talented & knowledgeable people out there seal the leaf so it doesn't turn funky colours (oxidize)? Is there any evidence that that kind of sealing wouldn't have been done during SCA period? Cheers, Gwendoline At 05:32 AM 2/27/2002 -0800, Barb Ding wrote: >Greetings all - my apologies to anyone getting this >twice. > >A local art supply is going out of business; there >wasn't much left when I was there last night but they >did have books of silver leaf at half price which is >about $8/book of 25 leaves, 3x3". They had about a >dozen books. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:49:41 -0800 (PST) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: silver leaf - --- Gwendoline Rosamond wrote: > Greetings, > > Well, on the subject of silver leaf... How do all you talented & > knowledgeable people out there seal the leaf so it doesn't turn funky > colours (oxidize)? Is there any evidence that that kind of sealing > wouldn't have been done during SCA period? > > Cheers, > Gwendoline > Just a little side comment on the subject of silver leaf oxidation. I read in one of my scribal books, perhaps it was from the British Library, but that silver leaf in all the old books of hours had not tarnished or oxidized near as much in the past, until the industrial age. All the extra pollutants in the atmosphere caused a lot of the silver in the books to begin to tarnish to a greyish-black, where they had not so much before. Cheers, Hillary Greenslade, Ansteorra hillaryrg@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing This is the monthly mailing of the administrivia information for the scribes-digest mailing list. [Last updated on: Fri Jan 23 21:27:07 PST 1998] This is the Digest of the scribes mailing list. It is open for discussion of scribal arts including illumination, calligraphy, paper making, etc. The posting address for scribes (including the digest) is "scribes@castle.org". To unsubscribe, send email to "majordomo@castle.org" with "unsubscribe scribes-digest" in the body of the message. Problems and questions should be addressed to "scribes-owner@castle.org" as the list maintainer may or may not actually read the scribes mailing list. This mailing list is not an official list of the Society for Creative Anachronism, any College of Scribes, or the Barony of Calafia. Other SCA-related lists sponsored at castle.org are: scribes@castle.org antir_apprentices@castle.org antir_scribes@castle.org cal_cooking@castle.org caid_scribes@castle.org caid_heralds@castle.org caid_bluefeather@castle.org tanwayour@castle.org No spam is allowed on this list. Spammers will be deleted without warning. If you get this far in this message, there are two requests the list maintainer would make: 1. Please send a note of introduction to the scribes list. Say who you are, where you are, and what your scribal interests are. and 2. Please sign your notes to this list with your society name and branch, along with your mundane name and location. Enjoy! Your list maintainer is: Lord Christopher Thomas mka Lee Damon Calafia, Caid San Diego, CA =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing This is the monthly mailing of the administrivia information for the scribes mailing list. [Last updated on: Thu Jul 8 21:26:10 PDT 1999] This is the scribes mailing list. It is open for discussion of scribal arts including illumination, calligraphy, paper making, etc. The posting address for scribes is "scribes@castle.org". 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:16:37 +0100 From: Subject: [scribes]: New Manesse Web Page Good morning everybody What a great day - I just came across a new link for the Codex Manesse from the university in Heidelberg, which has the ENTIRE Codex ONLINE!!!! The text pages as well, not just the pictures! It's all in German, but you don't need to speak that language to navigate around the site, after all, arrows work in all languages :-) Supposedly you can get close-ups from each page, too, but so far I have received empty pages only, but I need to try on another PC as well. Here you go, enjoy: http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/sammlung2/allg/cpg.xml?docname=cpg848 Oriane d'Avallon Drei Eichen, Drachenwald ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Nummer, die man nie vergisst: Ihre persönliche Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt einsteigen http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990002 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:51:08 -0500 From: Susan Arthur Subject: [scribes]: howdy Greetings, all, from Baroness Lucia Bellini. I am returning to this list after a longer hiatus than expected, but I look forward to receiving all your enlightening posts again. As requested in the s*bscription confirmation, I am sending a brief letter of introduction. I am guildmistress of the Windmasters' Hill scriptorium in Atlantia, and am most happy to teach new scribes in my area. My particular favorite part of the scribal activities is painting (I use modern gouache) and the area in which I consider myself weakest is calligraphy. I have been working on it, however, and my results are at least passable. :-) In service, Lucia =========================== Lucia Bellini Baroness, Windmasters' Hill Companion of the Pearl Guildmistress, Windmasters' Hill Scriptorium http://scribe.atlantia.sca.org/gallery/Lucia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:48:47 -0500 From: Fionnseach du Lochielle Subject: [scribes]: Introduction Greetings to all who gather here: By way of introduction, I am Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle (mka Judith Taylor). I am 'returning to the fold' if you will after a hiatus of about 4 years or so. In my previous SCA life, I was what some describe a 'combat scribe'. Often at events, I could be found furiously (but not angrily ;) penning away at some scroll or other....occassionally I would be finishing the illumination portion of a scroll of my own, to be given in that evening's Court. That was then....and may happen again in the future, who knows. My interests now are in 13th French (ok, to be honest, I love most of the callig and illum of just about any period, any locale prior to Guttenburg's devilish printing machine ;) manuscripts. My love being the Maciejowski Bible (aka the Morgan Crusading Bible and/or Old Testament Miniatures). [Yes, it was illumed in Paris, no, my persona isn't from there but from the region known as the Dutchy of Brittaigne (Brittany).] I currently reside in the Shire of Dernehealde (Athens, Ohio) and to my knowledge, am most likely the only scribe here. When I attend the Shire meetings, I bring out my 'stuff' and work on scroll blanks. I also bring with me my copy of de Hamel's book (keeping careful track of who has it ;) and Drogin's book....hoping to inspire others to at least give it a try. If I have any success, I will eventually look to organizing a scribal guild here....or maybe in conjuntion with some of the other Southeastern Ohio Shires/Marches/etc. I unfortunately, do not have a portfolio of my work from my 'previous life', but I have started one (currently only one scroll) and it is online at http://frognet.net/~judi/Interests/scribal_arts.html I do plan on getting the rest of the documentation online for it....someday. ;) Well, I think I've prattled on long enough....and I thank you for your indulgence... In Service to the Arts and the Dream, I remain... Sister Fionnseach du Lochielle Shire of Dernehealde Barony of the Middle Marches Middle Kingdom mka Judith Taylor Athens, Ohio Not to have, but to give; Not to take, but to receive. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #83 ****************************