From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #75 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, February 7 2002 Volume 07 : Number 075 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Neat site Re: [scribes]: SILVERPOINT??? [scribes]: Fw: Book of Kells [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info Re: [scribes]: Fw: Book of Kells Re: [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info [scribes]: New Toys! misterart-dot-com Re: [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info [scribes]: O for decent ink! Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! Re: [scribes]: Fw: Book of Kells RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! [scribes]: If the device uses a COM port that is normally RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! [scribes]: An Dubh Scribal Guild Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints [scribes]: Pigment Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:38:38 +0000 From: "Russell Husted" Subject: [scribes]: Neat site

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=================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:49:05 EST From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: SILVERPOINT??? - --part1_17c.32b2a27.2992fed1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/2002 10:31:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncave@bigpond.com writes: > I believe this has been discussed before, but I'd like to ask about the best > ways to do monochromic work on a scroll. I am doing an original, and have > as a source a scroll done only in a greyish colour, but extensive shading > etc was used to create the picture, which was a Romanesque arch (sorry > about the poor description). I could easily achieve the same effect using > lead pencil - but that isn't the best for long lasting colour! It was > suggested to me that "silverpoint" could have been employed in the scroll. > What is it, and could I conceivably use it on parchmentine or watercolour > paper? If not, how else could I achieve the same effect? Any suggestions > would be most appreciated. > > To do silverpoint all you need is some zinc powder and a stylus with some sterling silver in the end of it, cut and sharpened to your desired point for drawing with. You can do it on any paper, I think. What you do is sprinkle the zinc powder on the paper and rub it in a bit with a nice poofy brush (like a large, clean make-up brush). Then you poor the excess powder off, into a container. Next you take your stylus (like an exacto- knife holder) with the sterling silver wire in it and you draw with the point of the wire. Where the silver touches the zinc, it leaves a "tarnish" mark on the paper and that is how you create the lines. It is all the same shade of gray, so you have to use shading to create contrast. It is also VERY hard to erase, but it is possible to erase it. basically you have to remove the zinc from the paper in that spot and then re-zinc it. I learned this from Baroness Annejke (Atlantia - northern area) in a class she taught on it at Pennsic. She has more information, if you can get ahold of her. I hope this helps a little bit. Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift - Atlantia) - --part1_17c.32b2a27.2992fed1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/2002 10:31:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mooncave@bigpond.com writes:

I believe this has been discussed before, but I'd like to ask about the best ways to do monochromic work on a scroll. I am doing an original, and have as a source a scroll done only in a greyish colour, but extensive shading etc was used to create the picture, which was a Romanesque arch (sorry about the poor description). I could easily achieve the same effect using lead pencil - but that isn't the best for long lasting colour! It was suggested to me that "silverpoint" could have been employed in the scroll. What is it, and could I conceivably use it on parchmentine or watercolour paper? If not, how else could I achieve the same effect? Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

To do silverpoint all you need is some zinc powder and a stylus with some sterling silver in the end of it, cut and sharpened to your desired point for drawing with. You can do it on any paper, I think.

What you do is sprinkle the zinc powder on the paper and rub it in a bit with a nice poofy brush (like a large, clean make-up brush). Then you poor the excess powder off, into a container. Next you take your stylus (like an exacto- knife holder) with the sterling silver wire in it and you draw with the point of the wire. Where the silver touches the zinc, it leaves a "tarnish" mark on the paper and that is how you create the lines. It is all the same shade of gray, so you have to use shading to create contrast. It is also VERY hard to erase, but it is possible to erase it. basically you have to remove the zinc from the paper in that spot and then re-zinc it.

I learned this from Baroness Annejke (Atlantia - northern area) in a class she taught on it at Pennsic. She has more information, if you can get ahold of her. I hope this helps a little bit.

Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift - Atlantia) - --part1_17c.32b2a27.2992fed1_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:25:46 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: [scribes]: Fw: Book of Kells This was forwarded to me from my Apprentice, A'isha... The piece is awesome... but someone had WAY too much time on their hands KHvS >Forwarded from the Outlands list - absolutely gorgeous!! Take a look at this use of the Book of Kells! http://quilting.about.com/library/houston01/blh01_kells.htm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Bertrand Subject: [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info I am looking for sources that i can use for style of calligraphy and illumination used in the 12th century. Also what colors of inks and paints were available at taht time. I intend to be a persona scribe meaning that my scrolls are done in the style that was prevalent for my time period. - ----------------- In Service To The Dream, Brian C. Bertrand Lord Bertran de Saint Jean Darchalus of Byzantium "Arde Cum Igne Vitae" - -Personal Motto "There are only two emotions: Fear and Love, There is only one meaningful action: Forgiveness." "A bear in his natural habitat....a Studebaker." -Fozzie - --- "Russell Husted" wrote: >

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I have taken the liberty of getting those two together for scribal affairs. Any chance you will come out to the desert next week? Any and all of you on the list, please , if you can, come to my homeland and join this fun event we call Estrella War..... Alex, Aten Signet > This was forwarded to me from my Apprentice, A'isha... =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:06:27 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info At 07:50 PM 2/6/2002 -0800, Brian Bertrand wrote: >I am looking for sources that i can use for style of calligraphy and >illumination used in the 12th century. Also what colors of inks and >paints were available at taht time. I intend to be a persona scribe >meaning that my scrolls are done in the style that was prevalent for my >time period. Lord Bertarnd, this would be a much easier question to answer if given a geological area as well as a century. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:06:16 EST From: KATAKIRA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: New Toys! misterart-dot-com As I was tooling around, double-checking my web info for my Oaken Scribal class, I stumbled onto: misterart.com It's incredible. Great prices on basic stuff--they even have the cork-tipped pen holders I like--which are SO hard to find. They don't have Pergamenata, for those who like it, but they have every other kind of paper imaginable, as well as paints, brushes, portfolios, inks--even fiber pens to use at demos at GREAT prices. And the stuff I ordered at 6PM Tuesday is already in transit to me today. Katarina Peregrine Gwyntarian, Middle =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:39:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Bertrand Subject: Re: [scribes]: New Scribe seeking info my apologies, of course...Ideally that used in France of the period - ----------------- In Service To The Dream, Brian C. Bertrand Lord Bertran de Saint Jean Darchalus of Byzantium "Arde Cum Igne Vitae" - -Personal Motto "There are only two emotions: Fear and Love, There is only one meaningful action: Forgiveness." "A bear in his natural habitat....a Studebaker." -Fozzie - --- "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" wrote: >At 07:50 PM 2/6/2002 -0800, Brian Bertrand wrote: >>I am looking for sources that i can use for style of calligraphy and >>illumination used in the 12th century. Also what colors of inks and >>paints were available at taht time. I intend to be a persona scribe >>meaning that my scrolls are done in the style that was prevalent for my >>time period. > >Lord Bertarnd, this would be a much easier question to answer if given a >geological area as well as a century. > >Smiles, >Despina > > >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. _____________________________________________________________ Get free infected, boring, wrong, empty, or any other email for yourself. Go to ---> http://www.mailchoose.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:59:33 -0600 From: "Muirgheal" Subject: [scribes]: O for decent ink! Greetings good gentles-- Hear the lament of Muirgheal this 7th day of February: I have been using Windsor & Newton inks, and they've been fine for a while, but the black is starting to clog up on me and the other colors are depressingly watery and too bright & fluorescent to look period. I was wondering which inks others would suggest? (hopefully they won't hit the bank account too hard) I live in central Ohio, but internet supplies would be fine too. I know the topic has come up before, and I saved one of the responses and tried to find Dr. Marten's Acrylic Inks from the Daniel Smith Artists Supplies website, but had no luck. Help? Thank you in advance, Muirgheal donn ingen Dhauid College of Windreach Midrealm _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Bertrand Subject: Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! I use Levingers ink myself...not period but it looks good and does not clump up. - ----------------- In Service To The Dream, Brian C. Bertrand Lord Bertran de Saint Jean Darchalus of Byzantium "Arde Cum Igne Vitae" - -Personal Motto "There are only two emotions: Fear and Love, There is only one meaningful action: Forgiveness." "A bear in his natural habitat....a Studebaker." -Fozzie - --- "Muirgheal" wrote: >Greetings good gentles-- > >Hear the lament of Muirgheal this 7th day of February: > >I have been using Windsor & Newton inks, and they've been fine for a while, >but the black is starting to clog up on me and the other colors are >depressingly watery and too bright & fluorescent to look period. I was >wondering which inks others would suggest? (hopefully they won't hit the >bank account too hard) I live in central Ohio, but internet supplies would >be fine too. > >I know the topic has come up before, and I saved one of the responses and >tried to find Dr. Marten's Acrylic Inks from the Daniel Smith Artists >Supplies website, but had no luck. > >Help? > >Thank you in advance, > >Muirgheal donn ingen Dhauid >College of Windreach >Midrealm > > >_____________________________________________ >Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! >http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. _____________________________________________________________ Get free infected, boring, wrong, empty, or any other email for yourself. Go to ---> http://www.mailchoose.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:28:10 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Fw: Book of Kells Oh....my.....god.... One of the other lists I hang out on is a group of rabid quilters who like to use treadle and handcrank machines. I've got to forward this on to them. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:31:26 -0500 From: ESTAVASH@cs.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! As far as black ink goes, I have recently fallen in love with an English iron-gall ink which I bought from Paper and Ink Arts. When I opened the jar it seemed disappointingly watery, and it goes on pale grey, but it flowed beautifully, and darkened up into a rich black by the next day on most papers. For the first time, I could make all those delicate hairlines look just like they do in the manuscripts! On top of this, there were no problems with the ink bleeding or feathering, even on the cheap sketch pad I use for practice, and even with a feather quill. The only down-side is it's rather expensive (about $8/oz) but it works so well, I feel it's worth it. For everyday purposes, I use Higgins Eternal-- it's not quite as black as W&N, but it's cheap and easy to find, and it's less prone to clogging problems, in my experience. As for colored inks, I can't help you much, but I'm sure you'll get lots of advice from others on the list. Good luck, Ellen "Muirgheal" wrote: >Greetings good gentles-- > >Hear the lament of Muirgheal this 7th day of February: > >I have been using Windsor & Newton inks, and they've been fine for a while, >but the black is starting to clog up on me and the other colors are >depressingly watery and too bright & fluorescent to look period. I was >wondering which inks others would suggest? (hopefully they won't hit the >bank account too hard) I live in central Ohio, but internet supplies would >be fine too. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:42:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! Do you use dip pens, quills, or cartridge pens? For dip pens I like liquid Sumi (also reasonably priced) which unfortunately tends to build up when using vellum, but behaves nicely on papers. Higgins Eternal, which is even cheaper, is my second choice. Margaret FitzWilliam On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Muirgheal wrote: > Greetings good gentles-- > > Hear the lament of Muirgheal this 7th day of February: > > I have been using Windsor & Newton inks, and they've been fine for a while, > but the black is starting to clog up on me and the other colors are > depressingly watery and too bright & fluorescent to look period. I was > wondering which inks others would suggest? (hopefully they won't hit the > bank account too hard) I live in central Ohio, but internet supplies would > be fine too. > > I know the topic has come up before, and I saved one of the responses and > tried to find Dr. Marten's Acrylic Inks from the Daniel Smith Artists > Supplies website, but had no luck. > > Help? > > Thank you in advance, > > Muirgheal donn ingen Dhauid > College of Windreach > Midrealm > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:48:26 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! I just recently bought a bottle of Calli black india ink to replace my drying out Speedball india ink. I like it - it's a little smoother than the Speedball, although it's still nice and black. I know they make this in several colors since my supply store had red and green in addition to the black. Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:51:41 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! At 12:31 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >As far as black ink goes, I have recently fallen in love with an English >iron-gall ink which I bought from Paper and Ink Arts. *snip* The only >down-side is it's rather expensive (about $8/oz) but it works so well, I >feel it's worth it. I make my own oak gall and walnut inks. They are magnificent! I have also seen iron gall ink advertised at John Neal. >For everyday purposes, I use Higgins Eternal-- it's not quite as black as >W&N, but it's cheap and easy to find, and it's less prone to clogging >problems, in my experience. For some practice or something about which I am not overly concerned, I use either Higgins or W&N. >As for colored inks, Dilute your gouache and make it your ink. I do this and I know a number of other people do as well. If you want the Doc Martin's it's available from many art stores both on and off the internet. Just do a search for it and you'll be surprised at the number of hits you get. Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:52:58 -0600 (CST) From: default Subject: [scribes]: If the device uses a COM port that is normally This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_009D_0145241B.13241BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The implications of this will be clear in a moment. To complicate things further, each COM port gets the attention of the computer's processor by means of an Interrupt Request, called an IRQ. Think of these as "channels" through which the COM ports tell the processor that there is data waiting. - ------=_NextPart_000_009D_0145241B.13241BD0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="external.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="external.com" - ------=_NextPart_000_009D_0145241B.13241BD0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:59:22 -0700 From: "Crystal Olsen" Subject: RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! I haven't had any problems with Pelikan ink, and I especially like Pelikan's brown ink. It's really smooth, but it does tend to bleed a little on low quality paper. Unfortunately, I don't remember how much it costs, because it has been 5 years since I bought any... Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:00:17 EST From: Aengus1@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! - --part1_d7.12d465e8.29941ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried making your own ink? I have made ink walnut ink and am=20 planning to attempt oak gall ink soon. I can't say I have been able to=20 document walnut ink, but I have used both and they work well. IIRC, the=20 recipes are readily available on the net. THL Aengus MacBain =C6thelmearc - --part1_d7.12d465e8.29941ab1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried making your own ink?=20= I have made ink walnut ink and am planning to attempt oak gall ink soon. I c= an't say I have been able to document walnut ink, but I have used both and t= hey work well. IIRC, the recipes are readily available on the net.

THL Aengus MacBain
=C6thelmearc - --part1_d7.12d465e8.29941ab1_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:17:06 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: O for decent ink! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B00C.082E0C2D" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B00C.082E0C2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just made Iron Gall ink, and I *love* it. It goes on dark-blue-grey = and within minutes is a lovely black. =20 It comes out of the quill quite easily and doesn't smudge at all. I also = like the strong surface tension. =20 Cystennin =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Aengus1@aol.com [mailto:Aengus1@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:00 AM To: Muirgheal@somethingorother.com; scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: O for decent ink! =20 Have you tried making your own ink? I have made ink walnut ink and am = planning to attempt oak gall ink soon. I can't say I have been able to = document walnut ink, but I have used both and they work well. IIRC, the = recipes are readily available on the net. THL Aengus MacBain =C6thelmearc - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B00C.082E0C2D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just made Iron Gall ink, and I = *love* it. It goes on = dark-blue-grey and within minutes is a lovely black.

It comes out of the quill quite = easily and doesn’t smudge at all. I also like the strong surface = tension.

Cystennin

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Have you = tried making your own ink? I have made ink walnut ink and am planning to = attempt oak gall ink soon. I can't say I have been able to document walnut ink, but = I have used both and they work well. IIRC, the recipes are readily available on = the net.

THL Aengus MacBain
=C6thelmearc

=00 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B00C.082E0C2D-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:48:55 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: An Dubh Scribal Guild Good afternoon all... Following a little winter recess, I'm hoping to start the ball rolling on these workshops tonight, even if we don't have a definite site yet. I'll be passing out handouts on the first article and workshop rules/guidelines at the baronial business meeting tonight (non-officers can go - I'm not an officer, I'm going, and would like to see anyone else interested in the workshops there too). The business meeting is listed in the "Events" calendar link on the baronial website, http://www.scaducks.org The first handout covers a description of materials for beginners, and a description of "What's In The Box", referring to the donation of art supplies I donated to the Scribal Guild so even if people don't have supplies, all they'll have to bring is themselves and some imagination. :) Hope to see anyone who's interested there, and if you know someone out on Long Island who wants to learn callig., please nudge them in this direction! Thanks! ~Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, "Mercenary Scribe" (East) Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:01:21 EST From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints - --part1_166.8725018.29945331_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/2002 10:43:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, freewaydiva@mindspring.com writes: > >Please do not spread misinformation about what constitutes "promissories". > Here > >in Ansteorra, we utilize "promissories" which are photocopied line drawings > and > >calligraphy which are hand painted with guaches and gilded using various > types > >of gold. > > In An Tir we call them Charters, and the designs change from reign to reign > (or sometimes even within a reign), but it's the same deal - guache, > gilding, etc. We can spend more time painting a charter as I've seen spent > on scrolls-from-scratch, with spectacular results. And the recipients are > generally thrilled. As are we when they are given out. :) > > YIS, > > HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh > Royal Scribe, Principality of Avacal > Kingdom of An Tir > > It appears that there is a difference in terms between Kingdoms. What you in Ansteorra call prommissories and you in An Tir call charters, we call scroll blanks in Atlantia. Scroll blanks can be completely done from scratch, or they can be "mass produced" by photocopying the line drawing and calligraphy and painting/gilding the illumination. What we call prommissories in Atlantia are photocopied line drawings and calligraphy colored in with markers. The names and date are filled in just before court at the event in which the award is being given. Recipients of prommissories expect to get a "real scroll" at some later date that is all hand done and painted. They are just used as proof that the person got the award until the real scroll gets done. Brandy - --part1_166.8725018.29945331_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/2002 10:43:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, freewaydiva@mindspring.com writes:

>Please do not spread misinformation about what constitutes "promissories".
Here
>in Ansteorra, we utilize "promissories" which are photocopied line drawings
and
>calligraphy which are hand painted with guaches and gilded using various
types
>of gold.

In An Tir we call them Charters, and the designs change from reign to reign
(or sometimes even within a reign), but it's the same deal - guache,
gilding, etc. We can spend more time painting a charter as I've seen spent
on scrolls-from-scratch, with spectacular results. And the recipients are
generally thrilled. As are we when they are given out. :)

YIS,

HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh
Royal Scribe, Principality of Avacal
Kingdom of An Tir

It appears that there is a difference in terms between Kingdoms. What you in Ansteorra call prommissories and you in An Tir call charters, we call scroll blanks in Atlantia. Scroll blanks can be completely done from scratch, or they can be "mass produced" by photocopying the line drawing and calligraphy and painting/gilding the illumination. What we call prommissories in Atlantia are photocopied line drawings and calligraphy colored in with markers. The names and date are filled in just before court at the event in which the award is being given. Recipients of prommissories expect to get a "real scroll" at some later date that is all hand done and painted. They are just used as proof that the person got the award until the real scroll gets done.

Brandy
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Greetings,

Has anyone heard of Maimeri = Pure Pigments?=20 More importantly, has anyone used these and have any comments on them? I = had=20 never heard of them before I checked out the Misterart supply=20 store.

Here is a link to the store = that carries=20 these pigments; the link goes directly to the Pigment page.=20

http://www.misterart.com/store/view.cfm?cat_id=3D= 126&group_id=3D773&store=3D001

Thanks,

Katya

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