From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #69 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 07 : Number 069 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) lost records and other stuff was Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (. RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: lost records and other stuff was Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (. Re: [scribes]: Quills,geese humour+? Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink [scribes]: Re: lost records and other stuff Re: [scribes]: Quills,geese humour+? 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Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:57:48 +0000 From: "Russell Husted" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) We in Ansteorra who use preprinted charters/promisaries only use a defined paper and are very picky about the print quality as well...We agree, if someone is going to spend hours painting, the paper and the ink must be worth it. your servant, mahee > "better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable Seconded. That is a huge improvement over plain old xerox. But my > how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed > scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when the selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:30:46 -0600 From: LEE A LEMONS Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) Moreover, to add to what Mahee wrote, there are a select few who are allowed to run off the pre-printed charters and disburse them. We are *extremely careful* about quality control for both paper and toner and have been for years. Our painters deserve the best to work with! : ) Curstaidh, former Regional Scribe, former Star Signet, and current Sable Scroll for the 5th time Russell Husted wrote: > We in Ansteorra who use preprinted charters/promisaries only use a defined > paper and are very picky about the print quality as well...We agree, if > someone is going to spend hours painting, the paper and the ink must be > worth it. > > your servant, > mahee > > > "better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable > Seconded. That is a huge improvement over plain old xerox. > > But my > > how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed > > scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to > me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when the > selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not). > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:06:30 EST From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: lost records and other stuff was Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (. - --part1_21.17e517e0.298225b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 7:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com writes: > Not just a problem with the signets office - it seems to be somewhat > endemic of SCA groups in general that they frequently don't know what they > own, or where it happens to be at any given time. This has been a topic of > discussion on the exchequer's list for a while, but we really haven't come > up with a good way to solve it. It really depends heavily on the person in > charge of the assets (which can be multiple people), and constant checking > to make sure that things haven't sprouted legs, or been tossed, or simply > just never passed on and are quietly lurking in someone's > garage/basement/closet. > > Tetchubah > Greetings, I recently bought this topic up in our Shire after listening for the past 2 years about "Things the Shire used to have, that have walked away." Things that included All the Historian's Scrapbooks and all Historical Records, library books, assorted officer records, 2 sewing machines, tents, banners, a very old SCA poster, gold key garb and other stuff. I suggested several things 1) all officers turning over the office would fill out a form stating what records and other stuff was in their possession ( example: one cardbox of heraldry record, one heraldry tabard etc, one set heraldry books with list of the book titles, so on and so on) then pass it to the Seneschal, the new officer signs the paper as receiving ...( all the above listed things). The form is kept with the seneschal. At the end of the new officer's term he had better have all the things on the form or a good reason why. 2) While searching the web for something totally different I ran across the web site for the " East Kingdom Chamberlain" http://www.eastkingdom.org/chamberlain/ I thought this was a great idea and suggested that perhaps our shire could do something similar with our property and post it on the Shire Web Site. a) My thoughts were: That a shire autocrat might see it and know that we had x number of tables, x number of pavilions and x number of banners for use at an event. b) And that a newcomer would know that they would borrow the sewing machine for making garb as well as borrow garb until their new garb is done. c) Everyone else would stop complaining about " lost goods" and we would know where the heck it was. Naturally this went over like a lead balloon. Actually the Exchequer (it's his job to keep track of shire property) was in favor of it. But no one else seemed interested. As web minister of our group I volunteered to help with this project. Tamara web minister for the Shire of Castlemere - --part1_21.17e517e0.298225b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 7:42:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com writes:


Not just a problem with the signets office - it seems to be somewhat
endemic of SCA groups in general that they frequently don't know what they
own, or where it happens to be at any given time.  This has been a topic of
discussion on the exchequer's list for a while, but we really haven't come
up with a good way to solve it.  It really depends heavily on the person in
charge of the assets (which can be multiple people), and constant checking
to make sure that things haven't sprouted legs,  or been tossed, or simply
just never passed on and are quietly lurking in someone's
garage/basement/closet.

Tetchubah





Greetings,

I recently bought this topic up in our Shire after listening for the past 2 years about "Things the Shire used to have, that have walked away." Things that included All the Historian's Scrapbooks and all Historical Records, library books, assorted officer records, 2 sewing machines, tents, banners, a very old SCA poster, gold key garb and other stuff.

I suggested several things
1) all officers turning over the office would fill out a form stating what records and other stuff was in their possession ( example: one cardbox of heraldry record, one heraldry tabard etc, one set heraldry books with list of the book titles, so on and so on) then pass it to the Seneschal, the new officer signs the paper as receiving ...( all the above listed things). The form is kept with the seneschal. At the end of the new officer's term he had better have all the things on the form or a good reason why.

2) While searching the web for something totally different I ran across the web site for the " East Kingdom Chamberlain"
http://www.eastkingdom.org/chamberlain/
I thought this was a great idea and suggested that perhaps our shire could do something similar with our property and post it on the Shire Web Site.

a) My thoughts were:
That a shire autocrat might see it and know that we had
x number of tables,
x number of pavilions
and x number of banners for use at an event.
b) And that a newcomer would know that they would borrow the sewing machine for making garb as well as borrow garb until their new garb is done.
c) Everyone else would stop complaining about " lost goods" and we would know where the heck it was.

Naturally this went over like a lead balloon.

Actually the Exchequer (it's his job to keep track of shire property) was in favor of it. But no one else seemed interested.  As web minister of our group I volunteered to help with this project.

Tamara
web minister for the Shire of Castlemere




 - --part1_21.17e517e0.298225b6_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Anandashankar Mazumdar Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:56:17 -0400 From: "Martin Higgins" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink > (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ > geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) How do you know they are not Canadian? *grins* Griet :) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:00:03 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: lost records and other stuff was Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (. Tetchubah wrote: "Not just a problem with the signets office - it seems to be somewhat endemic of SCA groups in general that they frequently don't know what they own, or where it happens to be at any given time. This has been a topic of discussion on the exchequer's list for a while, but we really haven't come up with a good way to solve it. [snip] And Tamara replied: I recently bought this topic up in our Shire after listening for the past 2 years about "Things the Shire used to have, that have walked away." [snip] This is why the Midrealm finally had to get a Kingdom Minister of Regalia (who is a deputy of the Kingdom Exchequer). Bad enough when local groups lose their stuff through the transition of office or guild head (we've experienced that, too), but it's REALLY bad when the Royal Stuff disappears and is never seen or heard from again! My suggestion would be to have an adaptation of what our Kingdom Minister of Regalia does. Each item has an accession number and is catalogued by the MoR. When TRH's or TRM's "check something out" from the MoR, it is recorded and due back at a specific time (like at the end of TRM's reign, all the Royal Stuff they've checked out MUST be returned by a specific date). Likewise for TRH's. When they become TRM's, their Prince/Princess stuff must be checked back in and returned to the MoR to go to the next set of TRH's. (I've traveled extensively all over the Midrealm with our current MoR and assisted him in his duties, so I am *quite* familiar with his system!) So have your shires and guilds catalogue and accession all of its possessions, give copies of those records to your Exchequer to keep track of and keep duplicates of all records lest they suddenly sprout legs and disappear. Make sure all deputy officers have records identical to the main officers, so that they are in two places and not just one. Make sure records are not just kept on computer hard drives (which are prone to occasional crashing). Keep stuff both in hard copy AND on floppy disk. Keeping careful records (in essence, creating a registry) of who has what and for how long will keep stuff from sprouting legs and disappearing into someone's basement, never to be seen again. Before the Midrealm had the office of Kingdom Minister of Regalia, this is exactly what happened to a lot of Royal Stuff. And every piece of Regalia that is donated is duly recorded and accessioned into a registry so that the Kingdom knows that it is there. A good majority of the stuff never, ever gets used (well, let's face it, a lot of it, while beautifully made, is highly impractical for everyday use!), but it is carefully recorded in a registry so that if some set of Royals wants to use something, it's recorded and checked out for their use during their Reign. So try creating a registry of Shire Stuff or Guild Stuff or Signet Stuff or Officer Stuff or whatever you don't want to sprout legs and walk. If you want contact info for the Midrealm Minister of Regalia, in case you are interested in learning how he set up the registry for the Royal Stuff, I can certainly send that along to anyone who's interested. (I won't post it here on the list so he's not inundated with questions, but if you ask me privately, I'll send that along to you!) ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:04:07 -0800 From: ren.touch@juno.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills,geese humour+? when you slip in the goose "grease " you don't care whose geese they are . you just want them to be some where else. did the person that posted last year as to whether to pick up the remaining parts of a deceased goose ever do it and how did it work out ? multiple quills??? johann F On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:56:17 -0400 "Martin Higgins" writes: > > > (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ > > geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) > > How do you know they are not Canadian? *grins* > > Griet :) > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. 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Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:13:05 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink > > (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ > > geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) > > How do you know they are not Canadian? *grins* *honk, eh?* *honk, eh?* *honk, eh?* If it sounds like this, it's a Canadian goose, eh? ~Saradwen =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:16:35 EST From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: lost records and other stuff Hi! Our Barony has an officer, the Sexton, whose job is to keep track of stuff owned by the Barony and by each officer. The lists are reviewed each year, not just when officers change. And when things are retired (thrown away) -- we all know about it beforehand, and members of the Barony are given first chance to purchase it (if reasonable) or take it away. There is a similar officer keeping track of the Crown's regalia. Baroness Eowyn, Lyondemere, Caid =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:39:27 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills,geese humour+? ren.touch@juno.com wrote: > > when you slip in the goose "grease " you don't care whose geese they are > . > you just want them to be some where else. > > did the person that posted last year as to whether to pick up the > remaining parts of a deceased goose ever do it and how did it work out ? > multiple quills??? > johann F > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:56:17 -0400 "Martin Higgins" > writes: > > > > > (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ > > > geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) > > > > How do you know they are not Canadian? *grins* > > > > Griet :) > > > > Greetings, Ambrose Bierce, an eccentric 19th c. US writer, lived when folks still used quills to write with. I quote from his 'Devil's Dictionary' (sometimes published as 'the Dictionary for Cynics'): GOOSE, n. A bird that supplies quills for writing. These, by some occult process of nature, are penetrated and suffused with various degrees of the bird's intellectual energies and emotional character, so that when inked and drawn mechanically across paper by a person called an "author," there results a very fair and accurate transcript of the fowl's thought and feeling. The difference in geese, as discovered by this ingenious method, is considerable: many are found to have only trivial and insignificant powers, but some are seen to be very great geese indeed. Just think, you could be channelling for a as yet undiscovered goose genius! Regards, Genevieve =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:59:20 -0800 From: ren.touch@juno.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills,geese humour+? In that case i pray that HP Lovecraft was using a fountain pen and that it was destroyed : ) not that i don't like his work i just hope that there are no geese like that Bierce i enjoy usually. JF > Greetings,> > Ambrose Bierce, an eccentric 19th c. US writer, lived when folks > still> used quills to write with. > > I quote from his 'Devil's Dictionary' (sometimes published as 'the > Dictionary for Cynics'):> > GOOSE, n. A bird that supplies quills for writing. These, by some > occult process of nature, are penetrated and suffused with various > degrees of the bird's intellectual energies and emotional character, ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:07:17 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink > Up here in Seattle, the Parks dept. has labeled the Canadian Geese as > pests. They have round-ups at the local parks where they herd the geese > into mobile gas chambers and euthanise them. Oooooooooooooh................I mean, I know that even in some places here, they're considered a bit of a nuisance, but..........................I dunno, that really bothers me somehow. And I know this is way, way the heck off-topic, but.....as long as they're going to do that, well................why not, um, well, use the meat to feed the poor and homeless? I mean, has anyone ever tried cooking Canada goose meat? (I know, this isn't a cooking list, but I just really wondered, is all.) And as for recovering the quills for scribey things (OK, back on topic now!), I find it curious that no one will tell you how to recover the goose quills for making calligraphy pens. What a bummer that you've already done a lot of calling around only to be stonewalled like that. The Canada geese here are all over the place - lakes, ponds, rivers, creeks, streams - anywhere there are wetlands, or bodies of water nearby. Folks with lakefront property get rather.......um.......'scuse the pun, "honked off" about all the Canada geese fouling the beaches and surrounding areas. I see them in the mornings as I drive to work on the pond at Plum Creek Park here in Kent, OH. And someone over on Howe Road, a road I drive to work on every day, has a lovely spread with a small lake on their property where flocks of Canada geese may be seen daily. In the spring, seeing all the fluffy little goslings following their mothers faithfully is just the cutest sight! Maybe one of these days, whenever molting season is in for them, I will go looking for some good quills near where I see them all the time. And I have to admit to really liking Canada geese, but then, I don't own property, let alone waterfront property. I just rent a tiny apartment across from the Kent State campus here in Kent, OH. And I love watching the Canada geese flying overhead in perfect "V" formation, honking merrily along. I find that somehow comforting. But that's just me. I'm a bit of a nature nut, I guess. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:19:12 EST From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: lost records and other stuff - --part1_d2.12bf8b8a.298244d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 11:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, EowynA@aol.com writes: > > Hi! > > Our Barony has an officer, the Sexton, whose job is to keep track of stuff > owned by the Barony and by each officer. The lists are reviewed each year, > not just when officers change. And when things are retired (thrown away) > -- we all know about it beforehand, and members of the Barony are given > first chance to purchase it (if reasonable) or take it away. > > There is a similar officer keeping track of the Crown's regalia. > OK, this sounds great. But like I said, it's the Exchequer job here to keep track of shire property. There is no one to track officer records. So how does one go about suggestion this, without seeming to want to take part of the Exchequer's job away from him? Tamara - --part1_d2.12bf8b8a.298244d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/24/02 11:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, EowynA@aol.com writes:



Hi!

Our Barony has an officer, the Sexton, whose job is to keep track of stuff owned by the Barony and by each officer.  The lists are reviewed each year, not just when officers change.  And when things are retired (thrown away) -- we all know about it beforehand, and members of the Barony are given first chance to purchase it (if reasonable) or take it away.

There is a similar officer keeping track of the Crown's regalia.




OK, this sounds great. But like I said, it's the Exchequer job here to keep track of shire property. There is no one to track officer records.

So how does one go about suggestion this, without seeming to want to take part of the Exchequer's job away from him?

Tamara - --part1_d2.12bf8b8a.298244d0_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:37:45 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Goose feathers - --part1_16.190dc16f.29824929_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes it doesn't even need to be a large body of water to attract them. There's a sump around the corner from the small residential neighborhood I work in, and the geese will literally come up onto the lawns when the weather gets warmer, bringing every relative under the sun with them. The lawns get turned into, well.... cesspools... and the streets will turn green come mating season. So... I can understand how damaging they can be, but if you really really want one of those quills... better to get it off a live one, if you can get close enough without getting your hand bit off, rather than pick one up off the ground... - --Kayleigh - --part1_16.190dc16f.29824929_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes it doesn't even need to be a large body of water to attract them.

There's a sump around the corner from the small residential neighborhood I work in, and the geese will literally come up onto the lawns when the weather gets warmer, bringing every relative under the sun with them. The lawns get turned into, well.... cesspools... and the streets will turn green come mating season. So... I can understand how damaging they can be, but if you really really want one of those quills... better to get it off a live one, if you can get close enough without getting your hand bit off, rather than pick one up off the ground...

--Kayleigh - --part1_16.190dc16f.29824929_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:42:59 +1100 From: Ray & Marit Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink You don't have to kill the birds to get the quills. A friend of mine gently caught a duck and invited me to "have a quill" The second flight pinion is the one to choose. The bird isn't too upset by it... OK it will decorate your shoes. But it gets you 2 selected feathers. Happy collecting M :-) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:50:57 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Martin Higgins wrote: > > > (OT:) Just want to point out -- they're _Canada_ > > geese, not _Canadian_ geese. :-) > > How do you know they are not Canadian? *grins* > They fly south when it's hockey season. :) - -- Johannes "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: [scribes]: Re: lost records and other stuff Dear folks, Saradwen's comments are always worth reading. But I would make two points concerning Midrealm practice: (1) Midrealm has a tendency to solve a problem by creating an office (and a burocracy), which is a mixed blessing. (2) While the system does work as far as locating items in question, it doesn't guarantee keeping them in good condition. Royalty often ask for new regalia, claiming the available stuff is worn out. (Can you see the vicious circle here?) - -- Johannes v.n. "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:26:15 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: [scribes]: writing workshop - Portland For those who can attend.... Smiles, Despina >Want to improve your handwriting? Learn how - free! 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Books available at special discount. > >Saturday, January 26, 2002 10am-1pm Portland State University, >Smith Memorial >Center, 1825 SW Broadway, Smith Center Ballroom, Room 355. >Parking available >in Parking Structure 3 at SW 12th and Mill Streets. > >RSVP or more information - call PSU's Continuing Education Press >at >503-725-4891 or toll free 1-800-547-8887 ext 4891 M-F 9am-5pm >PST or email >press@pdx.edu. > >Alesia Zorn >Portland, Oregon =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:57:13 -0800 From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: topic reminder - scribes@castle.org is a scribal interest mailing list Sorry to be a bother but... This is the Scribes email list. Please take the non-scribal topics (geese, regalia, etc) to private email. If there is enough interest in the topic of regalia, I *might* be convinced to start another mailing list for it. Email nomad@castle.org (not the scribes list!) with your opinion on the topic. thanks, postmaster@castle.org nomad ----------- - Lee "nomad" Damon - \ play: nomad@castle.org or castle!nomad \ work: nomad@ee.washington.edu \ /\ Seneschal, Castle PAUS. / \ "Celebrate Diversity" / \ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:21:19 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: [scribes]: Somewhat OT - Looking for good wood paint I have some wooden boxes that a friend made for me and I'd like to paint my arms on them. Can someone recommend a good brand/type of paint for this? I was thinking acrylics might work but since the boxes have a urethane varnish on them I'm not sure acrylic would stick well. Tetchubah Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kari Lassila Subject: Re: [scribes]: Somewhat OT - Looking for good wood paint Salaam, I paint on a LOT of wood objects including cigar boxes, etc. I use acrylic exclusively as the items are supposed to be used. I would recommend removing the urethane varnish before painting though or, at the very least, sanding the areas on which you want to paint. To see some of the work I've done, you can go to: http://photos.yahoo.com/lefoxx under the "artwork" folder. Hope that helps in your decision, humbly, Nabila officer of propaganda - Barony of Blatha an Oir, An Tir http://www.blathaanoir.org - --- Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com wrote: > I have some wooden boxes that a friend made for me and I'd like to paint > my > arms on them. Can someone recommend a good brand/type of paint for > this? > I was thinking acrylics might work but since the boxes have a urethane > varnish on them I'm not sure acrylic would stick well. > > Tetchubah > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:04:19 -0700 From: "Crystal Olsen" Subject: [scribes]: new subscriber Greetings, good Gentles, I am Jaquelinne de Radonvilliers, of Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia, and join this list due to interest in the scribal arts. I have yet to do any scribing in the SCA, but have eight years experience in calligraphy. My hope is that you will inspire me to move forward with my interests. I have been playing in the SCA for about 6 years, and it's about time I got involved (shame on me!) in this aspect of service. Yours in service, Jaquelline de Radonvilliers Gryphon's Lair, Artemisia Crystal Olsen Clinton, Utah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:32:59 -0600 From: C Fearon Subject: [scribes]: Papyrus...was...Woodblock, and home-made papers... Greetings Marit! The papyrus I had was a piece someone had picked up for me in Egypt.Probably in the airport on the way back :) I admit to being clueless about how it is made, so I don't know if the funny coating on it was natural or something added. It wouldn't accept any form of ink, except a very black India Ink, which I hate using. The surface was very slick to the touch, and shredded if I put a Brause nib on it. I had to use acrylic gouache as the regular stuff just pooled up and sat on the surface. I finally gave up on the piece (as a scroll), and went through all of my art supplies to see what would work on it. Coloured calligraphy markers had the most success! I remember taking a class from Master Sayf Al Qamar Tarik (Korsvag) who had done several scrolls on papyrus, so I don't know if I just didn't have the touch, or if I had a bad piece. It may have been too dry and brittle, but I don't know if there is any remedy for this. If I had to try it again, I would work with a brush, not a pen but the coloured markers would be very very tempting...:) Regards Siobhan > Pardon my query good lady > What happened with the papyrus? > I remember hearing someone was doing a scroll in it many years ago, but > heard no more than that > M :-) > > Marit the Wanderer > Shire of Agaricus > Lochac > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:06:05 -0700 From: Kinga de la Roux Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG) The previous files were, um....damaged beyond repair by something wet and sticky spilled on it, and no paper files were given to me. I have started with absolutely nothing except the information give to me by Torin and a small event in Idaho were we actually met for the first time.....my primary job at this point is detective work...lol. Regards, Kinga Todd Rich wrote: > First of apologies if I committed a faux paus, but as I received the > original e-mail before I received my copy of the scribes digest. I > thought it was a courtesy copy I had gotten due to the fact it seem to be > written for a more general audience... > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, john j cash wrote: > > > Dear folks, > > > > This was a very interesting post! I am glad to see that pre-printed > > scrolls have moved from the cheap xeroxes of my earlier day to a more > > professional process. > > > > The post raises a few points I'd like to bring up: > > > > (1) Pre-prints are associated in many minds (like mine) with "the old > > days" when we were, shall we say, naive, and "didn't know any better". The > > approach followed by most of us today is to use acid-free paper and > > light-fast pigments and gold leaf, as we have learned and gotten > > "better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable. But my > > question is: how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed > > scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to > > me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when > > the selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not). > > > One of the integral parts of this was the paper was to be was 140 hot > press acid free paper. That was one of the reason I wanted to go to a > place that actually had a print shop as the good paper was too stiff to go > through machines that were at best designed to handle cardstock. I was > trying to have good printing (not photocopying) on good paper. > > > (2) I'm glad to hear the plates for the etched pre-prints were saved for > > future use. I am disappointed to learn that they can't immediately be > > found. (Have I read that right?) I wonder if other signets encounter the > > problem of saving something important only to have it lost a few years > > later, and what they are doing about it? Again, it makes no sense to me to > > put in a lot of work and money on an etched plate, when the system for > > keeping it safe is poor to begin with. > > > > No, as in my earlier post, the royalty nixed the idea before it ever got > that far. At the time I didn't have the cash reservers to go ahead and do > it myself (which I would have). As far as I know, ALL of the files and > accessories I got from my predecessor went on to Kinga. Some of my > reports may not have made it, but I think I printed out copies of all of > them for her before I turned over the files. > > > -- johannes v.n. > > > > "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" > > -- Mark Twain > > Torin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #69 ****************************