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scribes digest       Thursday, January 24 2002       Volume 07 : Number 068



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 Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?
 Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)
 Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?
 [scribes]: Promissories and pre-prints
 Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)
 Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...
 RE: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 RE: [scribes]: Promissories and pre-prints
 RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 RE: [scribes]: Quills
 Re: [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...
 RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink
 Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)
 Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?

Once upon a time, on the advice of a to-be-left-unnamed C&I Laurel,  I put
my favorite Brause nibs in a small jar of vinegar to help clean off a
build-up of ink.  Imagine my surprise a day or two later when I thought to
look in the jar again and found that the nibs had dissolved...

Graidhne

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Peter Steiner wrote:

> > Given that the underside reservoir seems to be a fight to use, could
> > I put the Mitchell's nib in my bottom-of-the-line Osmiroid penholder
> > (plastic hourglass handle), and let the Mitchell's penholder go to
> > its worthy rest?
> 
> YES!!!  :-)
> 
> > If it fits, I can't imagine it coming to any harm.
> 
> Not a bit....
>  
> > Another question: 
> > As I mentioned, these are old nibs, that were not cleaned before they
> > were last put away. I have brushed them and soaked them, and this is
> > not budging the old build-up of ink one inch.
> 
> First, rinse the nibs in distilled water to remove any trace of the
> cleaners you've already tried.  (This is especially important if you've
> tried anything which contains chlorine!)
> 
> Second, prepare a mixture of one cup household ammonia (the non-sudsing
> variety), one cup plain liquid dishwashing detergent, and one cup
> isopropyl alcohol (the 70% variety which can be purchased in any
> pharmacy or supermarket.)  Soak the nibs in a sealed clear jar of this
> mixture until you can see that the ink is loosening.  Remove the nibs,
> and scrub them gently with an old toothbrush.  If the ink doesn't come
> off the nibs quickly and easily, put them back in the jar for another
> long soak.  Handle this liquid with latex gloves, because it will
> remove the essential oil from your skin as easily as it removes ink
> from nibs.  :-)
> 
> Finally, rinse the clean nibs with distilled water, and dry them with a
> lint-free tissue.  You can purchase those from your local optician. 
> "Kimwipes" is the brand I use.
> 
> If this doesn't work, you can always resort to sandblasting!  <grin>
> 
> -Peter-
> 
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:31:34 -0500 (EST)
From: john j cash <jcash@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)

Dear folks,

This was a very interesting post! I am glad to see that pre-printed
scrolls have moved from the cheap xeroxes of my earlier day to a more
professional process.

The post raises a few points I'd like to bring up:

(1) Pre-prints are associated in many minds (like mine) with "the old
days" when we were, shall we say, naive, and "didn't know any better". The
approach followed by most of us today is to use acid-free paper and
light-fast pigments and gold leaf, as we have learned and gotten
"better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable. But my
question is: how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed
scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to
me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when
the selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not).

(2) I'm glad to hear the plates for the etched pre-prints were saved for
future use. I am disappointed to learn that they can't immediately be
found. (Have I read that right?) I wonder if other signets encounter the
problem of saving something important only to have it lost a few years
later, and what they are doing about it? Again, it makes no sense to me to
put in a lot of work and money on an ethced plate, when the system for
keeping it safe is poor to begin with.

- -- johannes v.n.

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 -- Mark Twain

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:50:43 -0700
From: Catie Helm-Clark <no1home@onewest.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?

"Cecelia M. Hughes" wrote:
> 
> Once upon a time, on the advice of a to-be-left-unnamed C&I Laurel,  I put
> my favorite Brause nibs in a small jar of vinegar to help clean off a
> build-up of ink.  Imagine my surprise a day or two later when I thought to
> look in the jar again and found that the nibs had dissolved...
> 
> Graidhne

Good God Graighne, I hope that wasn't me!
By the way - how's the fumble-fingered calligraphy going?
Did the lesson time do you any good?  Or is it not working
out for you?
Therasia
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:50:13 -0700
From: "Valerie Scarbrough" <ValerieS@fairbankscapital.com>
Subject: [scribes]: Promissories and pre-prints

Greetings to all on this list, 

I live in the Kingdom of Artemisia, mundanely, Ogden.
I am VERY new to the whole scroll and C & I process (having done only 2 scrolls) and right now I have far more enthusiasm than I have time (I work M-F an hour and a half from my house).  I would, however be VERY interested in helping paint pre-prints and promissories if the help is needed.  Also, since I am very much a "leftie" and have not gotten into the intricacies of left-handed calligraphy, I would also like to get either pre-prints of just the calligraphy that I could illuminate, or if someone is interested in working with me, could send me just the calligraphy for the same purposes.  
In any case, I would like to help with whatever is needed.  I can also help color/paint at events and attend most events from Arrow's Flight to One-Thousand Eyes and some beyond those areas.
Let me know how I can help with the backlog or new scrolls, please???

"Wanting to be in service to the Dream" :o)

Bethany of Windermere
 

Valerie H. Scarbrough
Fairbanks Capital Corp (SLC)
#801-313-2224
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:56:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Todd Rich <torin@panix.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)

First of apologies if I committed a faux paus, but as I received the
original e-mail before I received my copy of the scribes digest.  I
thought it was a courtesy copy I had gotten due to the fact it seem to be
written for a more general audience...

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, john j cash wrote:

> Dear folks,
>
> This was a very interesting post! I am glad to see that pre-printed
> scrolls have moved from the cheap xeroxes of my earlier day to a more
> professional process.
>
> The post raises a few points I'd like to bring up:
>
> (1) Pre-prints are associated in many minds (like mine) with "the old
> days" when we were, shall we say, naive, and "didn't know any better". The
> approach followed by most of us today is to use acid-free paper and
> light-fast pigments and gold leaf, as we have learned and gotten
> "better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable. But my
> question is: how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed
> scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to
> me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when
> the selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not).
>
One of the integral parts of this was the paper was to be was 140 hot
press acid free paper.  That was one of the reason I wanted to go to a
place that actually had a print shop as the good paper was too stiff to go
through machines that were at best designed to handle cardstock.  I was
trying to have good printing (not photocopying) on good paper.

> (2) I'm glad to hear the plates for the etched pre-prints were saved for
> future use. I am disappointed to learn that they can't immediately be
> found. (Have I read that right?) I wonder if other signets encounter the
> problem of saving something important only to have it lost a few years
> later, and what they are doing about it? Again, it makes no sense to me to
> put in a lot of work and money on an etched plate, when the system for
> keeping it safe is poor to begin with.
>

No, as in my earlier post, the royalty nixed the idea before it ever got
that far.  At the time I didn't have the cash reservers to go ahead and do
it myself (which I would have).  As far as I know, ALL of the files and
accessories I got from my predecessor went on to Kinga.  Some of my
reports may not have made it, but I think I printed out copies of all of
them for her before I turned over the files.

> -- johannes v.n.
>
> "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't"
>  -- Mark Twain

			Torin

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:23:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: used a mitchell's pen before?

Tux--
No, it wasn't you; you didn't even have a Laurel yet when it happened.  My
calligraphy is slowly but surely getting better.  I did a writ of summons
on that piece of vellum I had, all in batarde, and it turned out looking
pretty good.

Graidhne

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Catie Helm-Clark wrote:

> "Cecelia M. Hughes" wrote:
> > 
> > Once upon a time, on the advice of a to-be-left-unnamed C&I Laurel,  I put
> > my favorite Brause nibs in a small jar of vinegar to help clean off a
> > build-up of ink.  Imagine my surprise a day or two later when I thought to
> > look in the jar again and found that the nibs had dissolved...
> > 
> > Graidhne
> 
> Good God Graighne, I hope that wasn't me!
> By the way - how's the fumble-fingered calligraphy going?
> Did the lesson time do you any good?  Or is it not working
> out for you?
> Therasia
> 

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:53:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Anandashankar Mazumdar <amazumdar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

     Thanks all for the help and advice on finding
quills, etc.

     I have acquired a No. 22 exacto knife, which
seems suitable for the purpose.

     I found something that claims to be Italian
writing ink that seems to work fairly well, but is
very expensive at $7 for a teeny bottle, so I'm going
to check out Higgins calligraphy ink as well.

     I'm still wondering about the hot sand as I don't
trust myself to handle hot and heavy metal containers
out of the oven or off the top of the stove.

     Unfortunately, I seem to have embarked on my
project at the wrong time of year for goose quills. I
checked with my local Jo-Ann Fabrics, Ames, and
Michael's as well as with Ebay and there's nary a
goose feather to be found. I also asked my buddy who
hunts and he informs me that goose season is over.

     So I guess I'll have to check back during the
proper season (which is?). Anyway, peacock and ostrich
feathers seem to be available, as well as very small
feathers from some small creature I've never heard of
(whose name begins with an "M"). There was also
something at Ames called "Indian feathers" which were
"for decoration only" (as opposed to what, I wonder).

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:29:00 EST
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...

On a slightly related subject...

Back in my college days, I did a project for an exhibit called "The Many Realms of King Arthur", which traveled around for a bit... I didn't see the pieces I submitted back in my hands until about a year and a quarter later. The project, it happened, dovetailed nicely with another project going on in my printmaking class... for a woodcut. Plus the papermaking class *just* happened to have some leftover handmade paper that looked relatively decent.

I was just curious... Has anyone ever used woodcuts/woodblock for use in scrolls, or even hand-made paper? I can understand the need for acid-free paper in reproducing quality work that will last nearly ages, but in the interest of creating something relatively medieval-looking, would homemade paper actually "work" for a scroll??

I'm not saying that I would definitely make my own paper, but I might consider making woodblocks....

YIS,

Kayleigh
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:55:59 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

>>     I'm still wondering about the hot sand as I don't
trust myself to handle hot and heavy metal containers
out of the oven or off the top of the stove.<<

There are other ways to cure them.  If you have an electric skillet (or are
willing to buy a used one at a thrift store) you can use it as a dedicated
sand warmer (Eowyn Amberdrake on this list does this).  Patricia Lovett's
book also shows curing the quill up against a hot iron, but I suspect you'd
have to turn it quite a bit.  Paul Werner's workshop that I took some time
ago mentioned boiling the quill points - sort of a soak and cure in one
step.  Thomas Brownwell, who used to be on this list but isn't anymore that
I know of, mentioned to me over the weekend that he'd bought a used
optician's sand warmer, the kind they heat up sand in to reshape the
earpieces on glasses.

If you're really really patient, you can also just hang them up to dry for
years.  Paul Werner had quite a few swan and goose quills that he handed
out that were "dry cured" by hanging them outside his window in NYC for
about 2 years.  Nice and hard.

 >>     So I guess I'll have to check back during the
proper season (which is?). Anyway, peacock and ostrich
feathers seem to be available, as well as very small
feathers from some small creature I've never heard of
(whose name begins with an "M"). There was also
something at Ames called "Indian feathers" which were
"for decoration only" (as opposed to what, I wonder).<<

You can always get goose quills from Pen and Ink.  They even sell them
right or left handed, cured or uncured.  Peacock feathers will work if you
are using the flight feathers from their wings, but the tail feathers won't
work.  I've never seen an ostrich feather that would work for a quill.
Since Ostriches can't fly, I don't think they have flight feathers - aren't
all their feathers the hairy kind?  I suspect the "indian feathers" you saw
are actually goose quills that have been tip dyed to look like eagle
feathers (which are illegal).  You could always buy a few and try them out.
There is a feather dealer here in Los Angeles called "Mother Plucker's" and
they sell just about any variety feather you can think of.  I don't think
they have a website but their phone number is (213) 637-0411.  I'm sure
they do mail order.

Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:58:02 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...

>>I was just curious... Has anyone ever used woodcuts/woodblock for use in
scrolls, or even hand-made paper? I can understand the need for acid-free
paper in reproducing quality work that will last nearly ages, but in the
interest of creating something relatively medieval-looking, would homemade
paper actually "work" for a scroll??<<

Mistress Raven of Heronsmarsh in Western Seas did several handmade papers
and tried calligraphy on them for an Arts Pentathlon here in Caid about 10
years ago.  It will work, but you need to size the paper pretty well and
I'm not sure what you'd use for sizing.  Raven's paper wanted to
bleed/feather quite a bit.

Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:23:59 -0500
From: ESTAVASH@cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com wrote:

>
>>>     I'm still wondering about the hot sand as I don't
>trust myself to handle hot and heavy metal containers
>out of the oven or off the top of the stove.<<
>
>There are other ways to cure them.  
<snip>
In addition to the excellent suggestions in the last post, I would add that I've been using a cake tin half-filled with sand, which I bake for about the same time and temperature as a cake. Then I pull out the tin and cure the quills for a minute or two. I'm still working on exactly how long to cure the quills for best results, but overall, it works fine. The cake tin is hot, of course, but the sand is not so hot that a few grains spilled on the skin will hurt you.  Also, the slightly slower curing time (as opposed to some directions, which call for plunging the quills into super-heated sand for a couple of seconds) means that you don't have to rush. 


>You can always get goose quills from Pen and Ink.  

I think that's Paper and Ink arts?  I got some quills from them recently-- the feather parts were a bit ratty looking, but the quill barrels were much nicer than those at the craft stores.

Good luck,
Ellen
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:27:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Anandashankar Mazumdar <amazumdar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

I like this idea of boiling the quills to cure them
instead of soaking and hot-sanding. How long should I
boil them (just the tips, I assume)?

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:34:59 -0500
From: "Sally Burnell" <sburnell@raex.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

> You can always get goose quills from Pen and Ink.  They even sell them
> right or left handed, cured or uncured.

Where I live here (Kent, OH) we have TONS of Canadian geese hanging around
lakes, ponds and other bodies of water. I've never taken the time to go
goose feather hunting where they've recently gathered, but I would imagine
that they are perfectly usable for making calligraphic quills.

Anybody ever try this? RanthulfR?

~Saradwen
  Midrealm

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:46:52 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

>>I like this idea of boiling the quills to cure them
instead of soaking and hot-sanding. How long should I
boil them (just the tips, I assume)?<<

Paul didn't mention how long to boil them but I'd assume that you'd do so
until the barrel of the quill that you are boiling (just the tips, yes)
become clearish like they do when you cure them in sand.

Tetchubah

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:44:27 -0500
From: ESTAVASH@cs.com
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Promissories and pre-prints

"Valerie Scarbrough" <ValerieS@fairbankscapital.com> wrote:

>Greetings to all on this list, 

Welcome to the list!

>I live in the Kingdom of Artemisia, mundanely, Ogden.
>I am VERY new to the whole scroll and C & I process (having done only 2 scrolls) and right now I have far more enthusiasm than I have time (I work M-F an hour and a half from my house).  I would, however be VERY interested in helping paint pre-prints and promissories if the help is needed. 

Well, having seen your 2 scrolls, I think you should be *designing* pre-prints, not just filling them in. Artemisia could use about 20 more "very new" scribes like you. 
 
>Also, since I am very much a "leftie" and have not gotten into the intricacies of left-handed calligraphy, I would also like to get either pre-prints of just the calligraphy that I could illuminate, or if someone is interested in working with me, could send me just the calligraphy for the same purposes. 

Just wait until after Estrella-- I'll provide you with more calligraphy than you know what to do with! ;^)

Ellen
Artemisia

>In any case, I would like to help with whatever is needed.  I can also help color/paint at events and attend most events from Arrow's Flight to One-Thousand Eyes and some beyond those areas.
>Let me know how I can help with the backlog or new scrolls, please???
>
>"Wanting to be in service to the Dream" :o)
>
>Bethany of Windermere


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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:49:47 -0800
From: Mark Miller <MMiller@CI.VICTORVILLE.CA.US>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

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Another source of goose quills might be some of the traditional archery
suppliers, though most of the time the fletching is already stripped from
the quills.  But I seem to remember seeing whole quills.  Another place
MIGHT be fly tying supplies, though goose would be large for most flies.



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I like this idea of boiling the quills to cure them
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:52:13 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

>>Where I live here (Kent, OH) we have TONS of Canadian geese hanging
around
lakes, ponds and other bodies of water. I've never taken the time to go
goose feather hunting where they've recently gathered, but I would imagine
that they are perfectly usable for making calligraphic quills.

Anybody ever try this? RanthulfR<<

I know Paul Werner collects swan quills from a marsh in New Jersey where
the swans hang out (I asked him where he got a good supply of them).  I
imagine you could do the same with Canadian geese - I hear they've become
quite a problem in a lot of areas of the Northeast (my company's main
headquarters near Chicago has a ton of them hanging about the "campus"
which is the company headquarters, to the point where they've hired a man
with a dog to chase them away).

I'd wait until molting season, whenever that is.  Paul swears that
naturally molted quills work better than ones plucked from dead birds,
since the tip of the quill opens up wider to loosen itself from the skin.
Since he seemed to have a steady supply of swan feathers from that marsh, I
don't think he used plucked quills at all.

Tetchubah (living in the land of no swans, although I do have an "in" with
someone at Disneyland who occasionally gets me quills from there)

Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:49:21 -0500
From: "Holly" <hollygrimmett@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quills

If it was moorhen, they are similar to ducks, but somewhat smaller.   Have
you tried the online suppliers like Dick Blick or Paper & Ink? (I think
that's the name.)


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On
> Behalf Of Anandashankar Mazumdar
>      Unfortunately, I seem to have embarked on my
> project at the wrong time of year for goose quills. I
> checked with my local Jo-Ann Fabrics, Ames, and
> Michael's as well as with Ebay and there's nary a
> goose feather to be found. I also asked my buddy who
> hunts and he informs me that goose season is over.
>
>      So I guess I'll have to check back during the
> proper season (which is?). Anyway, peacock and ostrich
> feathers seem to be available, as well as very small
> feathers from some small creature I've never heard of
> (whose name begins with an "M"). There was also
> something at Ames called "Indian feathers" which were
> "for decoration only" (as opposed to what, I wonder).


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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:42:16 -0600
From: C Fearon <fearon@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Woodblock, and home-made papers...

I have never used handmade papers for SCA stuff, but I have used them quite
a bit for mundane calligraphy work. Many of them hold acrylics and inks
well, if you apply with a brush, but I have never had any luck with a pen
nib.  I did attempt a papyrus scroll once, since it was in period for the
persons persona, but it was a disaster.

Siobhan
__________
Elianora Siobhan de Cassell
Barony of Castel Rouge
Northshield


> On a slightly related subject...
>
> Back in my college days, I did a project for an exhibit called "The Many
Realms of King Arthur", which traveled around for a bit... I didn't see the
pieces I submitted back in my hands until about a year and a quarter later.
The project, it happened, dovetailed nicely with another project going on in
my printmaking class... for a woodcut. Plus the papermaking class *just*
happened to have some leftover handmade paper that looked relatively decent.
>
> I was just curious... Has anyone ever used woodcuts/woodblock for use in
scrolls, or even hand-made paper? I can understand the need for acid-free
paper in reproducing quality work that will last nearly ages, but in the
interest of creating something relatively medieval-looking, would homemade
paper actually "work" for a scroll??
>
> I'm not saying that I would definitely make my own paper, but I might
consider making woodblocks....
>
> YIS,
>
> Kayleigh
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:08:47 -0800
From: "Ken Stoner" <kenstone@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink

Up here in Seattle, the Parks dept. has labeled the Canadian Geese as
pests. They have round-ups at the local parks where they herd the geese
into mobile gas chambers and euthanise them.

Ever since this started, I have tried to get a-hold of the people doing
this, but the parks dept. wont tell me who to call... the people from
PETA occaisionally harass the park workers doing this onerous task and
have even been threatened... Which means that no matter how earnest I
sound, NO-ONE in the parks dept. will tell me anything about how to
recover some quills from some of the geese.

SO I have offered a $100 reward to the person who can me the phone
number to call. This was 1.5 years ago. No one has had any more luck
than I.

Ken Stoner
Stress, Performance and Scale

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From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
[mailto:Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 2:52 PM
To: scribes@castle.org
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink


>>Where I live here (Kent, OH) we have TONS of Canadian geese hanging
around
lakes, ponds and other bodies of water. I've never taken the time to go
goose feather hunting where they've recently gathered, but I would
imagine
that they are perfectly usable for making calligraphic quills.

Anybody ever try this? RanthulfR<<

I know Paul Werner collects swan quills from a marsh in New Jersey where
the swans hang out (I asked him where he got a good supply of them).  I
imagine you could do the same with Canadian geese - I hear they've
become
quite a problem in a lot of areas of the Northeast (my company's main
headquarters near Chicago has a ton of them hanging about the "campus"
which is the company headquarters, to the point where they've hired a
man
with a dog to chase them away).

I'd wait until molting season, whenever that is.  Paul swears that
naturally molted quills work better than ones plucked from dead birds,
since the tip of the quill opens up wider to loosen itself from the
skin.
Since he seemed to have a steady supply of swan feathers from that
marsh, I
don't think he used plucked quills at all.

Tetchubah (living in the land of no swans, although I do have an "in"
with
someone at Disneyland who occasionally gets me quills from there)

Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:14:01 -0700
From: "Eva Mehlhose" <Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)

> "better." Etching at a professional shop, I find quite acceptable
Seconded. That is a huge improvement over plain old xerox.

But my
> question is: how many of us who advocate and work with pre-printed
> scrolls, pay attention to the quality of the paper? It makes no sense to
> me, to put in a lot of work and decorate something with gold leaf, when
> the selected paper is poor to begin with (pre-printed scroll or not).
>
Seconded again. And using a print etch plate leaves the choice of carrier
paper wide open. No need to use the lower end quality stuff.

> (2I wonder if other signets encounter the
> problem of saving something important only to have it lost a few years
> later, and what they are doing about it?
oh my. Records for my office were sparse to be polite about it. Not sure if
something got lost, misplaced or was simply not considered important enough
to hold on to. The materials I received were pretty much left overs from
various workshops and a handful of line drawings for scrolls as well as 4
scrolls which never found their recipients. No criticism to my predecessor,
she had her hands full and then some. From what I heard over the years in
different kingdoms, this is not unusual at all.
What am I doing about it? Website, new scribal hand book, database and
written records for incoming signet including lists of active scribes and
out of kingdom resources will be given to my replacement in September.
Alex the scribe,
Silver Quill Atenveldt

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:40:45 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories (LONG)

> (2I wonder if other signets encounter the
> problem of saving something important only to have it lost a few years
> later, and what they are doing about it?

Not just a problem with the signets office - it seems to be somewhat
endemic of SCA groups in general that they frequently don't know what they
own, or where it happens to be at any given time.  This has been a topic of
discussion on the exchequer's list for a while, but we really haven't come
up with a good way to solve it.  It really depends heavily on the person in
charge of the assets (which can be multiple people), and constant checking
to make sure that things haven't sprouted legs,  or been tossed, or simply
just never passed on and are quietly lurking in someone's
garage/basement/closet.

Tetchubah

Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war.

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