From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #66 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 07 : Number 066 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. FW: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) Re: FW: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: Moscow... was...Quills, penknives, ink Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum Re: [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 [scribes]: tamara Re: [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:15:40 -0500 From: "Dawn" Subject: FW: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) Meant to send this to the list - oops! ;-) - ---------- From: "Dawn" To: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002, 6:30 PM > I'd like to know how this changeover happened: who suggested it and why, > who thought it was a good idea and who thought it was a bad idea, who > finally agreed and took the lead, and if you're all happy with the > results. > > -- Johannes v.n. Greetings! In answer to your question - there were many contributing factors. Though I suppose if there be only one guilty party, it would probably be me. During my tenure as Chart Signet (scroll preparation for court), I found that our supply of "pre-prints" was dwindling, mostly due to the drop in productivity of our local group due to the loss of our weekly meeting space... long story. I, of course, attempted to complete the order for the requested scrolls, and found it was much easier for me to do a simple original scroll than it was to paint in all the pre-prints. People began to make happy noises about receiving the originals rather than the pre-prints, so I kept turning them out. Next factor - without an active scribes' guild, the Chart Signet was the most logical contact for "How do I get to do that? Can you teach me?". So I taught classes, but it's hard to find the time to teach and to do so many scrolls. In a nutshell, Master Maredudd ap Cynan, who was the Principal Herald at the time, and I found ourselves with "downtime" during the drive back from the KWHS that year (Houston to Tampa - we had a fair amount!) and created the Trimarian College of Scribes, so we would have a contact for those who wish to learn the scribal arts (other than the Chart Signet, who generally is too busy), and resources so we could attract more scribes and have more people to do the work so we have a chance at not burning our Signets out! We generally have a number of folke who turn in illuminated blank scrolls - which one of our calligraphers (we're starting to have more than 2 or 3, YES!) then completes when we know which awards are being given. Some folke do an entire scroll, without the name, or do a scroll specifically for the recipient (which requires more lead-time). As far as the general opinion - it seems to be an overwhelming approval - the Royalty have been wonderful in recognizing and supporting the scribes' efforts. When the scrolls are given in court, the Royals have been announcing the names of the scribes and holding up the scrolls so the populace can see them. Our current Queen, Elena, recently held a Tea specifically for the scribes to thank them. At least three of us had to put down our pens and brushes long enough to attend! ;-) Though there is almost complete support for the changeover, there are some folke who feel at loose ends (Such as Tamara, unfortunately... Whose work is of VERY good quality, by the way). We have more people that want to do illumination than we do calligraphers and "scriveners", etc. who draw the artwork on the scrolls. We ARE TRYING to have more folke turn out artwork that can be traced using a lightboard (I cannot now imagine life without them!), so we can hand those out to folke who wish to illuminate them. Unfortunately, we don't as of yet have much of a "buffer" of completed scrolls, so having the time to send them off via mail, etc. hasn't really happened. Hopefully, we will be able to remedy this soon, as we have a number of folke who claim ineptitude with pen or brush but may be able to trace some designs onto scrolls. One of our Countesses has been of great help with this endeavor. One of the other things the College has done is to attempt to (A) improve the quality of the work going out and (B) try to supply the materials for the scrolls, so the scribes aren't footing the entire bill. We are in the process of procuring bristol to hand out to the scribes who generally produce a fair amount, so we can use that rather than the "parchment paper", which buckles so badly upon being painted, and we don't have people not participating because they can't AFFORD to. If anyone has any questions about the College, please let me know! We also have a list- TrimariScribes@yahoogroups.com - all are welcome, and our archives are public if anyone would like to review them. Tamara - I will do my best to send you some things to work on. Thanks for hanging in there, and for not becoming discouraged entirely! HL Madeleine de Somerville Dean, Trimarian College of Scribes =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:45:30 EST From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) - --part1_a6.1fe048fd.297c4e2a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:17:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dagian@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > Though there is almost complete support for the changeover, there are some > folke who feel at loose ends (Such as Tamara, unfortunately... Whose work > is > of VERY good quality, by the way). We have more people that want to do > illumination than we do calligraphers and "scriveners", etc. who draw the > artwork on the scrolls. We ARE TRYING to have more folke turn out artwork > that can be traced using a lightboard (I cannot now imagine life without > them!), so we can hand those out to folke who wish to illuminate them. > Greetings, I'm sorry to be the cause of such problems, but everyone seems to thinks it's so easy. "Just use a light table" or "Trace something." I wished that using a light table solved things for me. But it doesn't. I have tried all the suggestions various people have send. I've bought the ruler, the illumination books, the French curves, & spent hours searching the web for scrolls I could print and trace, spent hours bend over the light box measuring and measuring, drawing and redrawing. I have "created" 14 scrolls using a light table and someone else's design. I've been so ashamed of them I haven't even shown them to my husband much less turned them into kingdom. I wouldn't ask someone to hang something I created on their wall, That I would be ashamed to hang on my wall. The last class on illumination I attended, we were told to pick something out of one of the books on the table and redraw it on our paper. I left the class in tears. Sorry, I'm just not a draftsman. At 40 years old I think it is time to admit there are things I do well and things I can't do at all. I've tried so hard the past 6 months to get the local expert in calligraphy and illumination interested in holding weekly/monthly classes but no go. I've had at least 2 people come to me and asked **me** to teach them and I have to tell them I don't know enough to teach. I live over 5 hours away from most of the other Kingdom scribes. This past year I've traveled to certain events I otherwise would have had no interest just to attend scribal workshops I was told were going to take place. Just to get there and be told "Oh you can work on anything you bought yourself, but we are not **teaching** classes." I cried all the way home both times. It's very frustrating. I know there are certain events where a lot of scribal classes are taught but I'm not able ot travel that far. The Trimaris scribes do a fabulous job, I won't deny that. And the few I have meet in person have been very encouraging to me in all ways. But this just isn't working for *me*. I know *I'm* the person at fault not the Trimaris scribes. I'm so very sorry. Since I'm not able to work due to several health problems and have a lot of hours on my hands. That is why I thought if someone else still used the preprinted scrolls I would offer to help them. I know it is within my ability to do that. Tamara - --part1_a6.1fe048fd.297c4e2a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/02 10:17:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dagian@tampabay.rr.com writes:



Though there is almost complete support for the changeover, there are some
folke who feel at loose ends (Such as Tamara, unfortunately... Whose work is
of VERY good quality, by the way).  We have more people that want to do
illumination than we do calligraphers and "scriveners", etc. who draw the
artwork on the scrolls. We ARE TRYING to have more folke turn out artwork
that can be traced using a lightboard (I cannot now imagine life without
them!), so we can hand those out to folke who wish to illuminate them.




Greetings,

I'm sorry to be the cause of such problems, but everyone seems to thinks it's so easy. "Just use a light table" or "Trace something."

I wished that using a light table solved things for me. But it doesn't. I have tried all the suggestions various people have send. I've bought the ruler, the illumination books, the French curves, & spent hours searching the web for scrolls I could print and trace, spent hours bend over the light box measuring and measuring, drawing and redrawing. I have "created" 14 scrolls using a light table and someone else's design. I've been so ashamed of them I haven't even shown them to my husband much less turned them into kingdom. I wouldn't ask someone to hang something I created on their wall, That I would be ashamed to hang on my wall.

The last class on illumination I attended, we were told to pick something out of one of the books on the table and redraw it on our paper. I left the class in tears.

Sorry, I'm just not a draftsman. At 40 years old I think it is time to admit there are things I do well and things I can't do at all.

I've tried so hard the past 6 months to get the local expert in calligraphy and illumination interested in holding weekly/monthly classes but no go. I've had at least 2 people come to me and asked **me** to teach them and I have to tell them I don't know enough to teach.

I live over 5 hours away from most of the other Kingdom scribes. This past year I've traveled to certain events I otherwise would have had no interest just to attend scribal workshops I was told were going to take place. Just to get there and be told "Oh you can work on anything you bought yourself, but we are not **teaching** classes." I cried all the way home both times. It's very frustrating.

I know there are certain events where a lot of scribal classes are taught but I'm not able ot travel that far. The Trimaris scribes do a fabulous job, I won't deny that. And the few I have meet in person have been very encouraging to me in all ways. But this just isn't working for *me*. I know *I'm* the person at fault not the Trimaris scribes. I'm so very sorry.

Since I'm not able to work due to several health problems and have a lot of hours on my hands. That is why I thought if someone else still used the preprinted scrolls I would offer to help them. I know it is within my ability to do that.


Tamara - --part1_a6.1fe048fd.297c4e2a_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Anandashankar Mazumdar Subject: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink I have been using fountain pens and metal-nib dip pens for some time and I very much want to try authentic quill writing. I was wondering whether anyone knows of any good, inexpensive sources for quills, penknives, and ink in the Arlington, Virginia, area. I checked out a couple of art supplies stores -- Pearl Discount Art Supplies in Alexandria and the Art Store in Georgetown. Both places had two quills each priced at $7.95. I thought this was a bit much. Also the quills seemed to be quite short. The Art Store quills were already shaped. Neither place could recommend penknives. At this point I'm really more interested in learning quill technique and I'm not keen on getting involved with making my own ink quite yet. I was wondering whether there was any store bought ink that would be suitable. The ink I use for my fountain pens doesn't work very well. Thanks for your help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:39:11 -0500 From: "Dawn" Subject: Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3094375151_5041053_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit TAMARA!!! Item #1: YOU ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY PROBLEMS!!! Item #2: There is NO fault here - especially not with you! I would rather say that, as a dean, the responsibility would lie with me... to provide assistance to you, who has been of great help in the past and wishes to continue! I had no idea that the workshops you had attended were that unsatisfying for you (seems to be an understatement, that!). I suspect that many of them amounted to "here's some space to work, let's paint and hang out". Please send me word of which events you plan to attend, and I'll try to make certain that I have some things for you to paint, and, if I can arrange a block of uninterrupted time at the event, I'm all yours. Otherwise, we will arrange a weekend, and I will come up to Castlemere and meet with you. If there is a weekend that is good for you, I'll try to make arrangements (Though I'll likely be rather busy until after Gulf Wars). In the meantime, I strongly recommend that any Kingdoms that are using the preprints take advantage of this lady's generous offer. You will find yourselves as happy with both the quality and the timeliness of Tamara's work as our Kingdom has. Madeleine - --MS_Mac_OE_3094375151_5041053_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) TAMARA!!!

Item #1:  YOU ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY PROBLEMS!!!
Item #2:  There is NO fault here - especially not with you!  &nbs= p; I would rather say that, as a dean, the responsibility would lie wit= h me... to provide assistance to you, who has been of great help in the past= and wishes to continue!

I had no idea that the workshops you had attended were that unsatisfying fo= r you (seems to be an understatement, that!).  I suspect that many of t= hem amounted to "here's some space to work, let's paint and hang out&qu= ot;.  Please send me word of which events you plan to attend, and I'll = try to make certain that I have some things for you to paint, and, if I can = arrange a block of uninterrupted time at the event, I'm all yours.  Oth= erwise, we will arrange a weekend, and I will come up to Castlemere and meet= with you.  If there is a weekend that is good for you, I'll try to mak= e arrangements (Though I'll likely be rather busy until after Gulf Wars).
In the meantime, I strongly recommend that any Kingdoms that are using the = preprints take advantage of this lady's generous offer.  You will find = yourselves as happy with both the quality and the timeliness of Tamara's wor= k as our Kingdom has.

Madeleine


- --MS_Mac_OE_3094375151_5041053_MIME_Part-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:53:50 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A1B1.81DFDDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG)Tamara! Having lived in FtMyeres, as in the infamous dismantled Shire of = Glymmerholde many a year ago, I can truly relate to what you experienced = in Trimaris. Please do contact me offlist if you like. I am so pleased = to see active scribes in Trimaris and finally, finally original scroll = work being done. Did not happen while I was there. Nowadays I reside in Phoenix, Arizona (Atenveldt) as serve as Kingdom = signet here. I would be very honored to have you help me with scroll = production, in whatever capacity you would like to do. One of my dreams would be to have a court with scrolls given which were = done by scribes from all over the Knowne World. Best one so far had work = from 5 Kingdoms represented. Hug Alex aka Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle alexscribe@worldnet.att.net. Item #1: YOU ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY PROBLEMS!!! - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A1B1.81DFDDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [scribes]: promissories (LONG)
Tamara!
Having lived in FtMyeres, as in the = infamous=20 dismantled Shire of Glymmerholde many a year ago, I can truly relate to = what you=20 experienced in Trimaris. Please do contact me offlist if you like. I am = so=20 pleased to see active scribes in Trimaris and finally, finally original = scroll=20 work being done. Did not happen while I was there.
Nowadays I reside in Phoenix, Arizona = (Atenveldt)=20 as serve as Kingdom signet here. I would be very honored to have you = help me=20 with scroll production, in whatever capacity you would like to = do.
One of my dreams would be to have a = court with=20 scrolls given which were done by scribes from all over the Knowne World. = Best=20 one so far had work from 5 Kingdoms represented.
Hug
Alex
aka Lady Alyssandra von = Drachenskralle
alexscribe@worldnet.att.net.
Item=20 #1:  YOU ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY=20 PROBLEMS!!!
- ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C1A1B1.81DFDDA0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:42:36 -0600 From: Garret Bitker Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Greetings, the best source I have found for quills are local taxidermists or hunters, turkey tails are often mounted but rarely the whole bird, goose feathers are usually just waste to a hunter, if you let them know in advance what you want they will usually save some for you. I have been using a #22 exacto knife blade to cut quills, they have a very curved blade that keeps the quill from cracking and makes a smooth cut another instrument that works well is a scalpel. As to ink use what ever you have, I like Higgins calligraphy ink but your mileage may vary... just try out different inks and find ones you like that work on the paper you use. Yours, Gevehard von Baden Northshield At 09:04 AM 1/20/2002 -0800, you wrote: > I have been using fountain pens and metal-nib dip >pens for some time and I very much want to try >authentic quill writing. I was wondering whether >anyone knows of any good, inexpensive sources for >quills, penknives, and ink in the Arlington, Virginia, >area. > > I checked out a couple of art supplies stores -- >Pearl Discount Art Supplies in Alexandria and the Art >Store in Georgetown. Both places had two quills each >priced at $7.95. I thought this was a bit much. Also >the quills seemed to be quite short. The Art Store >quills were already shaped. Neither place could >recommend penknives. > > At this point I'm really more interested in >learning quill technique and I'm not keen on getting >involved with making my own ink quite yet. I was >wondering whether there was any store bought ink that >would be suitable. The ink I use for my fountain pens >doesn't work very well. > > Thanks for your help. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:10:10 EST From: HRAFNASDOT@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Moscow Hide & Fur - you might try that for raw materials such as goose quill. Read descriptions very carefully, you will get exactly as described (raw unclean cow horn comes very dirty, quills may be the same in cleaned & as is - - if so go for the cleaned) Also, James Townsend will sell you quite decent, already made quills for $1/$2 apiece. I think the last I got was a pack of 6 assorted for about $6.95. Townsend has a number of inexpensive to moderately expensive items like ink, penknives, ink bottles, etc. They normally cater to Colonial re-enactors. They mail things in moderately good time frames. Not plugging them, but I've been pleased with what I've got - and I've not heard otherwise on other peoples items. Asa Hrafnasdottir Loch Ruadh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:33:25 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink Asa: Is there an on-line way to contact this James Townsend and/or Moscow Hide & Fur?? I've not heard of them in Indiana... are they local only to you?? Where is that, please (you may have said it once upon a time, but I have forgotten). Thanks for the input, though. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:17:02 -0600 From: C Fearon Subject: Re: [scribes]: Moscow... was...Quills, penknives, ink Meisterin Katarina I have an address for them here. I know people who have ordered the handmade glass beads http://www.hideandfur.com/ Siobhan _________ Elianora Siobhan de Cassell Barony of Castel Rouge Northshield Middle Kingdom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Schultz" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink > Asa: > > Is there an on-line way to contact this James Townsend and/or Moscow Hide & > Fur?? I've not heard of them in Indiana... are they local only to you?? Where > is that, please (you may have said it once upon a time, but I have forgotten). > > Thanks for the input, though. > > Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL > Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) > Middle Kingdom > http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin > > > > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:29:39 EST From: HRAFNASDOT@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quills, penknives, ink - --part1_149.8229261.297cf333_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/2002 9:32:35 PM Central Standard Time, meisterin@comteck.com writes: > Asa: > > Is there an on-line way to contact this James Townsend and/or Moscow Hide & > Fur?? I've not heard of them in Indiana... are they local only to you?? > Where > is that, please (you may have said it once upon a time, but I have > forgotten). > > Thanks for the input, though. > > Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL > Both do a big mail order business. Moscow Hide and Gur is at: www.hideandfur.com/ and James Townsend is at: http://www.jastown.com/ The quills are GQ-98, a package of 5 for 6.00. and vary from 6" to 10" or so. They also have powdered ink for $1.00, full feather quills(make your own), .75 and other writing accessories. They will send you a hard copy catalog. Moscow Hide deals mainly with taxidermy, AmerIndian art and such. They do carry goose, pheasant, turkey feathers - bundles and singles. Availability varies. To my knowledge, these guys are mail/email order only, no catalog, but I might be mistaken. - --part1_149.8229261.297cf333_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/20/2002 9:32:35 PM Central Standard Time, meisterin@comteck.com writes:


Asa:

Is there an on-line way to contact this James Townsend and/or Moscow Hide &
Fur??  I've not heard of them in Indiana... are they local only to you??  Where
is that, please (you may have said it once upon a time, but I have forgotten).

Thanks for the input, though.

Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL


Both do a big mail order business.  Moscow Hide and Gur is at:  www.hideandfur.com/ and James Townsend is at: http://www.jastown.com/
The quills are GQ-98, a package of 5 for 6.00. and vary from 6" to 10" or so.  They also have powdered ink for $1.00, full feather quills(make your own), .75 and other writing accessories.  They will send you a hard copy catalog.

Moscow Hide deals mainly with taxidermy, AmerIndian art and such.  They do carry goose, pheasant, turkey feathers - bundles and singles.  Availability varies.  To my knowledge, these guys are mail/email order only, no catalog, but I might be mistaken.

 - --part1_149.8229261.297cf333_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:30:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kira Stanley Subject: [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum Greetings all: I am hoping someone on this list can help me find a supplier for dyed vellum. I am in desperate need of a manuscript ready piece of black vellum for a scroll. I have been told that a person by the name of Rick Cavasin is the best supplier out there, but none of the links I have found to him work at all. I have tried John Neal but they only sell undyed pieces and I do not have the knowledge (or the inclination) to dye vellum myself. I am at a total loss and the recipient of said scroll will be very disappointed not to be able to have the piece he wants. I am possibly willing to look overseas even for this item. Can anyone out there point me in a more fruitful direction? Thanks in advance... Lady Sasha Gray ===== "War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:05:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Kira Stanley wrote: > Greetings all: > > I am hoping someone on this list can help me find a supplier for dyed vellum. I am in desperate > need of a manuscript ready piece of black vellum for a scroll. I have been told that a person by > the name of Rick Cavasin is the best supplier out there, but none of the links I have found to him > work at all. I have tried John Neal but they only sell undyed pieces and I do not have the > knowledge (or the inclination) to dye vellum myself. I am at a total loss and the recipient of > said scroll will be very disappointed not to be able to have the piece he wants. I am possibly > willing to look overseas even for this item. Can anyone out there point me in a more fruitful > direction? Thanks in advance... > > Lady Sasha Gray > The Bookmaker's Catalog (www.bookmakerscatalog.com) has black dyed vellum in hide form, but not cut pieces. Although you might be able to convince them to cut it for you. You'd have to call. Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re. Mahee's question on using color markers on scrolls: I once thought my Award of Arms (charter scroll) was done with color markers, but on later review it was just a bad paint mixing job. I've used the calli felt markers, (mostly black and sepia) for classes, when you only have an hour, and you're mostly interested in teaching the basic letter shapes, and dip pens and ink can get messy for new scribes. What really blew my mind though, was finding out that a scribe, who was very well known for her calligraphy, did most of her original scrolls by 'drawing' out the letter shapes with a technical pen and then filling in the white spaces of the letter forms. It looked like done with a calligraphy pen, but we could never figure out how to duplicate the pen strokes (because there never had been any, as it turns out). Later the scribe learned how to use a dip pen, and is now a Laurel. 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=================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:17 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Need help in finding source for dyed vellum Kira Stanley wrote: > > Greetings all: > > I am hoping someone on this list can help me find a supplier for dyed vellum. I am in desperate need of a manuscript ready piece of black vellum for a scroll. I have been told that a person by the name of Rick Cavasin is the best supplier out there, but none of the links I have found to him work at all. Greetings good lady, Sadly, Rick Cavasin (Master Baldrik) has given up parchment making for the forseeable future. I inquired myself (he's friend-of-a-friend, and known to the older members of my group), and got a note from him to this effect. Please pass this news on to anyone still referring to him as a source. Regards, Genevieve la flechiere Barony Skraeling Althing Ealdormere - -- It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen. -- Aristotle (384-322 BCE) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #66 ****************************