From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #65 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, January 20 2002 Volume 07 : Number 065 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink RE: [scribes]: promissories [scribes]: Anglo-Norman Secretary Hand [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 RE: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink RE: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink [scribes]: scroll practice [scribes]: Sources for quills? RE: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink [scribes]: Re: [STEPS] scroll practice [scribes]: Scrovegni chapel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:22:19 EST From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink - --part1_27.215e62c0.2978d2cb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes, I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it will turn black on? Thank you in advance, Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_27.215e62c0.2978d2cb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes,

I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it will turn black on?

Thank you in advance,

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_27.215e62c0.2978d2cb_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:02:06 -1000 From: "Michelle O'Malley" Subject: RE: [scribes]: promissories Hi Dianne, I don't know if you've considered it, but what about getting someone else to draw some scroll outlines and then creating your own pre-prints from them? If you can't copy them or print them off the computer onto acceptable quality paper, you could also try a light box to trace the outlines. You could even try the lightbox method to trace designs from the original images from books of hours and such. Even though Trimaris is using original scrolls I would think that having only outlines printed or traced and everything else original would look similar and be acceptable, especially since you are using gouache paints and not markers. Even in the East, which has all original scrolls, I have heard of people using traced outlines. It might be worth trying. Khioniya > I've been reading about the pre-printed scrolls and how some Kingdoms no > longer use then and some do. I use to paint them for my Kingdom, > Trimaris, > until they went to all orginial scrolls about a 1 1/2 years ago. > > I love to paint but can't draw at all. I would be interested in > helping paint > some preprinted scrolls, I don't really care what Kingdom. But they would > have to be mailed to me. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:17:12 -0700 From: Catie Helm-Clark Subject: [scribes]: Anglo-Norman Secretary Hand I just updated my website, www.onewest.net/~no1home/index.html, to put my latest redaction of Anglo-Norman Secretary Hand where people can get at it. This is the hand that I teach in my "calligraphy for the fumble-fingered" class, which I taught most recently at Artemisia's kingdom collegium this last Nov. Lady Osondrea's class notes for her cadels class, which she taught at the same event, are now also available on my website (Osondrea doesn't have email or web access, sorry to say). The exemplar files are large, since I was in a hurry this evening to get them posted (a friend in another kingdom needed it, and couldn't find the copy I her gave several years ago). So if you have a slow connection, beware of the very large .pdf files! I will attempt to make the exemplar files smaller soon, which means I'll have to bite the bullet and web them properly as image files instead of pdf files. This is a cross posted email. My apologies if you receive this multiple times. ttfn, Therasia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:54:13 +0000 From: "Russell Husted" Subject: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 o.k. Here is dumb question number 3,985. Having heard all these comments about marker, is there any one anywhere using markers to create scrolls? It is not that I want to. I just want to know if it is really still being done, or if we are simply beyond that now. your servant, mahee _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:16:24 -0500 From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Greetings-- > Having heard all these comments about marker, is there any one anywhere > using markers to create scrolls? I received a beautiful blank done by another scribe who didn't have much experience with calligraphy. It was on the paper from hell--extremely textured and uneven. Both the dip pen and the cartridge pen were a disaster (luckily I had scraps to test on)--the nib would skip and catch, and sometimes cause gushing blobs to emerge from the dip pen. I finally gave up and got out the calligraphy marker. Nicolaa =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:46:24 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Dear Mahee, I always like to put things in a broader context. I'm big on context. One can do calligraphy in any media at all, so long as it looks like you know how to make good letters. One professional calligrapher I've read of uses sharpened Popsicle sticks. Having said that, what we aim for in the SCA is something approaching period practice. One could use markers, but I know no one who does (except for royalty, to sign scrolls). I have two problems with markers. First, they do not retain their shape. Good calligraphy in the western European tradition requires a hard edged tool, and even quills needed to be sharpened or recut. Markers are soft from the start, so they don't have the same potential for making crisp letters over and over. Second, the ink used in markers (even permanent ones) is not intended for real permanence. The colors may fade over the years, or the chemicals may react with the paper. Most people who buy markers want to label packages and things, not calligraph scrolls for presentation in court and years of display at home. They are really great, though, for practice; and for practice, their use should be encouraged, so long as it doesn't prevent added practice with dip-pen and ink as in period. - -- johannes "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:00:39 -0700 From: "freewaydiva" Subject: RE: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Hi All, Sadly, I've seen charters in recent memory that have been *coloured* with marker. Not promissories, but signed, sealed Charters. I chalk it up to short on time, and out of the general scribal loop. I'm doing what I can about *that*, I assure you. ;) YIS, HL Bebhinn ingen Aoidh Royal Scribe, Principality of Avacal Kingdom of An Tir =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:17:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink Well, I know it turns black on Stonehenge, but it does take several hours. So, wait a few days and see if the reaction happens. There may be something in the paper that's preventing the oxidation from occurring--what kind of paper are you using? And it's iron *gall* ink, as in oak galls. Although an Iron Gaul contest does sound appealing, for that early-period Roman event... Margaret FitzWilliam On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Floriligeum@aol.com wrote: > Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes, > > I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying > it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the bottle > gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is that the 2 > papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone have any idea > what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it will turn > black on? > > Thank you in advance, > > Yours in service, > > Sarra the Lymner =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:56:08 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink - --=====================_90154645==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:22 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Floriligeum@aol.com wrote: >Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes, > >I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was >trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the >bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is >that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone >have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate >paper it will turn black on? Iron gall ink has turned a beautiful black for me on the following papers: Arches Hot Press 140#, Bristol Board, Actual vellum, and regular typing paper. Sometimes you just have to wait a little longer for the change to occur. Hope this helps. Smiles, Despina - --=====================_90154645==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:22 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Floriligeum@aol.com wrote:

Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes,

I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it will turn black on?

Iron gall ink has turned a beautiful black for me on the following papers: Arches Hot Press 140#, Bristol Board, Actual vellum, and regular typing paper.

Sometimes you just have to wait a little longer for the change to occur.

Hope this helps.

Smiles,
Despina - --=====================_90154645==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:37:42 -0500 From: "Peters, Rise J." Subject: RE: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Sure. It's not unheard of in Atlantia for people to color in photocopied outlines with marker for use as promissories. I don't know how many of these still get handed out (I got one for my AOA; I've done a few, in bored moments, since then). > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell Husted [mailto:husted@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:54 AM > To: scribes@castle.org > Subject: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 > > > o.k. Here is dumb question number 3,985. > > Having heard all these comments about marker, is there any > one anywhere > using markers to create scrolls? > > It is not that I want to. I just want to know if it is > really still being > done, or if we are simply beyond that now. > > your servant, > mahee > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:50:55 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" wrote: > > Well, I know it turns black on Stonehenge, but it does take several > hours. So, wait a few days and see if the reaction happens. There may be > something in the paper that's preventing the oxidation from > occurring--what kind of paper are you using? > > And it's iron *gall* ink, as in oak galls. Although an Iron Gaul contest > does sound appealing, for that early-period Roman event... > Margaret FitzWilliam Greetings, I want to know how you squeeze the Gaul into the ink bottle. Though I'm sure he'd be colourful when you let him out again... Regards, Genevieve Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Floriligeum@aol.com wrote: > > > Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes, > > > > I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying > > it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the - -- It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen. -- Aristotle (384-322 BCE) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:21:38 -0800 From: "Sidne Kneeland" Subject: [scribes]: scroll practice Greetings, There was, I believe, a group who got together in the Longview area ? to practice scroll arts. They had invited people who were interested but did not know much to help with _detailing_ pieces. Is this group still around? Thanks, Estrelda/ Sidne Kneeland =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:44:56 -0500 From: ESTAVASH@cs.com Subject: [scribes]: Sources for quills? Does anyone know of any good sources for interesting varieties of uncut quills, either cured or uncured? I've found a couple of sources which offer plain goose quills, but I'm wondering if there are any places out there where you can specify right or left handed, or different grades or varieties of goose, or maybe quills from other birds such as turkey or swan. I just learned how to cure and cut quills, and my mind is already jumping ahead to what I would need to replace all my metal nibs. I'm having a great time with this, and I love the fact that it's an easy, inexpensive way to raise my authenticity level. Ellen, who daydreams too much Artemisia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:45:59 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1A058.C0F6AD62" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A058.C0F6AD62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be patient. The physics at work in Iron Gall ink is pretty simple. No matter what kind of paper you lay it down on, it will eventually turn black. If you really-really want it black *now*, you can use an Oxy-Propane Torch set-up (without the propane) to blow oxygen onto the page. I don't recommend this because if the paper itself is not pH neutral you will start to discolor it as well as the ink. =20 Remember, Iron-Gall inks work by oxidization...=20 =20 The cool part for me is that we are going to make iron gall ink this weekend. :-) =20 Ken Stoner =20 Stress, Performance and Scale - -----Original Message----- From: Floriligeum@aol.com [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:22 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink =20 Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes,=20 I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it will turn black on?=20 Thank you in advance,=20 Yours in service,=20 Sarra the Lymner=20 Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom=20 MKA Sarah Dressler=20 Sarra's Florilegium =20 www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com=20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A058.C0F6AD62 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Be patient. The = physics at work in Iron Gall ink is pretty simple. No matter what kind of paper = you lay it down on, it will eventually turn black.

If you really-really want it black = *now*, you can use an Oxy-Propane = Torch set-up (without the propane) to blow oxygen onto the page. I don’t = recommend this because if the paper itself is not pH neutral you will start to = discolor it as well as the ink.

Remember, Iron-Gall inks work by oxidization…

The cool part for me is that we are = going to make iron gall ink this weekend. J

Ken Stoner

Stress, = Performance and Scale

-----Original Message-----
From: Floriligeum@aol.com<= /font> = [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com<= /font>]
Sent: Thursday, January = 17, 2002 5:22 PM
To: = scribes@castle.org
Subject: [scribes]: Iron = Gaul Ink

Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes,

I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was = trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of the = bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem is = that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does anyone = have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll appropriate paper it = will turn black on?

Thank you in advance,

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's = Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

=00 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1A058.C0F6AD62-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:28:04 -0800 From: Karen Williams Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 john j cash wrote: > > Having said that, what we aim for in the SCA is something approaching > period practice. One could use markers, but I know no one who does (except > for royalty, to sign scrolls). We never let our royalty sign scrolls with markers. We set everything up, including making sure the dip pen has ink and the scroll is completely covered except for the space where they sign their name, but they have to use a dip pen. (Actually, there is one exception, and that's an ancient duke named William of Houghton, who always signed his name in purple marker. I don't think he's had a scroll to sign for over ten years now, though.) Branwen ferch Emrys The Mists, the West - -- Karen Williams branwen@ix.netcom.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:09:42 EST From: SWRDBABE@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 As much as I hate to say it I also recieved my promisary in marker and at points have used markers to color in practice scrolls (color layouts) This is great for doing samples for handouts at demos, never have I used anything but fine line pigma markers for outlines. I figure if Crayola markers are good enough for heralds they're are good enough for my uses. My only concern that I have had is that some have used Prisma Colors for scrolls. I find that a little hard to swallow. Even though I know that Prismas are great and use them quite often in my fantasy work. Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt.http://home.talkcity.com/EaselSt/daniela1971/Scriptorium.html =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:18:48 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: dumb question 3,985 Long ago, in the mists of time when I first started doing the SCA in Drachenwald, all award scrolls were felt marker colored pre-prints. I think it was a combination of they didn't know any better and a lack of qualified artisans at the time. This was way back somewhere around A.S. 18 or 19. I even have a Lindquistring scroll that the Prince and Princess signed with florescent green felt marker . As I was just starting scribal stuff, I, too was doing the felt marker thing, until I learned to do it better. Also, about a year before I left Drachenwald, they started the process of real scrolls, with William de Corbie being the first "real" Principality Signet. Believe it or not, I still proudly display these scrolls in frames upon my walls in my scriptorium. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:54:30 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Iron Gaul Ink This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1A051.8F953500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 08:22 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Floriligeum@aol.com wrote: Greetings to all the knowledgeable scribes,=20 I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great while I was = trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It comes out of = the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ papers. My problem = is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains gray. Does = anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other scroll = appropriate paper it will turn black on?=20 >> I had problems with Iron Gall ink turning black on Pergamenta... = it just sat there for two days without turning black. I haven't had = problems with it on other modern papers, though. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn (KHvS), OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin - ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1A051.8F953500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At 08:22 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, Floriligeum@aol.com=20 wrote:

Greetings to all the knowledgeable = scribes,=20

I received a bottle of Iron Gaul (sp?) ink, it was great = while I was=20 trying it out on my practice pad & in my sketchbook. It = comes out=20 of the bottle gray & turns a deep rich black on _some_ = papers. My=20 problem is that the 2 papers I have been working on it remains = gray. =20 Does anyone have any idea what kind of watercolor paper or other = scroll=20 appropriate paper it will turn black on?

>> I had problems with Iron = Gall ink=20 turning black on Pergamenta... it just sat there for two days = without=20 turning black. I haven't had problems with it on other modern = papers,=20 though.

Meisterin Katarina Helene = von=20 Schoenborn (KHvS), OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, = Indiana)
Middle=20 Kingdom
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin
=

- ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C1A051.8F953500-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:26:51 -0800 From: Marty Stredwick Subject: [scribes]: Re: [STEPS] scroll practice At 11:21 AM 1/18/02 -0800, Sidne Kneeland wrote: >Greetings, > >There was, I believe, a group who got together in the Longview area ? to >practice scroll arts. They had invited people who were interested but did >not know much to help with _detailing_ pieces. Is this group still around? > >Thanks, > >Estrelda/ >Sidne Kneeland > Yes, Estrelda, the group in Longview (River's Bend) does get together for scroll art still. Having just met last Wednesday, then next meeting is Wednesday the 30th at 7:00. Usually it is the first and third Wednedays - this month being an exception due to Holidays and such. We are designing scrolls and make extras for others to paint etc. We stop to teach when we get new folks in or have questions etc. Thyra just got papyrus and I am hoping to have her bring it next class and show it off. She's not sure what she's going to do with it, but she has it ;-) Anyway , contact me for further info or go to our shire web page for info. Anderwyn na Sionain Baroness An Tir AoA, GdS 2x WOAW ............................................................................ ..... "Enemies are the price of Honor, friends its reward." ............................................................................ ..... - ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:38:16 +1100 From: Steve Roylance Subject: [scribes]: Scrovegni chapel hi Some details on the Scrovegni chapel restoration a Giotto creation (in Italian) http://www.icr.arti.beniculturali.it/scrovegni.htm as ever Thorfinn =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #65 ****************************