From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #64 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, January 17 2002 Volume 07 : Number 064 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Re:Backlog lists & preprints [scribes]: Fw: [aten] Estrella War XVIII,Known World Scribal Tea [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories [scribes]: Scrolls from the backlog contest [scribes]: Guild of Book Workers Exhibition [scribes]: shoulder progress Re: [scribes]: Scrolls from the backlog contest [scribes]: Missing item [scribes]: promissories [scribes]: Another An Tir 12th Night Backlog contest winner [scribes]: vellum sources, cited on paperinkarts.com [scribes]: islamic calligraphy Re: [scribes]: promissories ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:50:39 +0000 From: "Russell Husted" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re:Backlog lists & preprints Exactly! That is what our chaters are like and one of the things they accomplish. I can get newbies interrested with them. I can talk, on occassion, the crown or local brass hats into painting them. They are a great teaching aid and help people build up to working from scratch. And for those who do not have the time to build that level of knowledge, they know that they are still doing a very valuable service for their kingdom. I have run a scribal table at every indoor event i have been to in the last 12 months, and other scribes have had invitationals to their homes. I works really well. your servant, mahee Ansteorra From: RenScribe@aol.com To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: Re:Backlog lists & preprints Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:40:56 EST In a message dated 1/13/2002 10:43:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, freewaydiva@mindspring.com writes: > >in Ansteorra, we utilize "promissories" which are photocopied line drawings and > >calligraphy which are hand painted with guaches and gilded using various types > >of gold. > In An Tir we call them Charters, and the designs change from reign to reign > (or sometimes even within a reign), but it's the same deal - guache, > gilding, etc. In AEthelmearc we have stared doing something similar - not because we don't have enough talented and generous scribes, but because we can always use more :-) We use photocopies of original layouts on heavy card stock (which later become promissories) or hand traced layouts on watercolor paper (which can be permanent scrolls or promissories) as teaching aids at a roving scriptorium that pops up at various events. There are several styles of borders available that span the range of skill and preference. We provide the materials and someone to field questions. All visitors to the scriptorium have to do is sit down & paint. It has sparked an increased interest in the scribal arts ... and as an added benefit, it has made people aware of how much effort goes into making even the simplest looking scrolls. The scriptorium helps the scribal community reach folks who want to do scrolls but don't know where to start or those who didn't realize they don't have to be both an illuminator and a calligrapher. The traveling scriptorium is under a year old but already several gentles who started out painting photocopied scrolls have moved on to being active scribes, producing scrolls on their own :-) Eibhlin ni Chaoimh Sylvan Signet of AEthelmearc =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:40:34 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: [scribes]: Fw: [aten] Estrella War XVIII,Known World Scribal Tea This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C19DE3.5A52D700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: [aten] Estrella War XVIII,Known World Scribal Tea Hear ye, hear ye! Let it be known to all that at Estrella War XVIII, = there=20 will be a Known World Scribal Tea. All scribes are invited to attend = the=20 tea, sponsored by Her Royal Majesty of Atenveldt, Queen Elsbieta, and = Her=20 Excellency, Baroness Tatiana of SunDragon. It will be held on Saturday, = February 16 , 2002, in the SunDragon Baronial Pavilion, located in the=20 Barony of SunDragon Encampment, from 2pm-4pm. There will be tables to=20 display your beautiful scribal work and examples of scribal tools = (paints,=20 brushes, parchment, and books). Of course there will be plenty to eat = and=20 drink as well. We also encourage bringing works in progress, so as to=20 discuss the multiple processes of creating such works of art. = Information=20 will be posted at troll for directions and times. If you have any=20 questions, please contact the tea autocrat, Lady Rowan Bridgit = Blackmoor=20 (Bethany Cole) at rowanbeth@earthlink.net or at 623-936-5155 (2pm-8pm only). = Hope to=20 see you all there! Raffaelle, Deputy Main Autocrat , EW18 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:=20 http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 ADVERTISEMENT =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: atenveldt-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Hear ye, hear ye!  Let it be = known to=20 all that at Estrella War XVIII, there
will  be a Known World = Scribal=20 Tea.  All scribes are invited to attend the
tea, sponsored by = Her Royal=20 Majesty of Atenveldt, Queen Elsbieta, and Her
Excellency, Baroness = Tatiana=20 of SunDragon.  It will be held on Saturday,
February 16 , 2002, = in the=20 SunDragon Baronial Pavilion, located in the
Barony of SunDragon = Encampment,=20 from 2pm-4pm. There will be tables to
display your beautiful scribal = work=20 and examples of scribal tools (paints,
brushes, parchment, and = books). =20 Of course there will be plenty to eat and
drink as well.  We = also=20 encourage bringing works in progress, so as to
discuss the multiple=20 processes of creating such works of art.  Information
will be = posted at=20 troll for directions and times.  If you have any =
questions,  =20 please contact the tea autocrat, Lady Rowan Bridgit Blackmoor=20
(Bethany
Cole) at rowanbeth@earthlink.net or = at=20 623-936-5155 (2pm-8pm only).  Hope to
see you all=20 there!


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- ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01C19DE3.5A52D700-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Rich Subject: [scribes]: Unlurk...promissories Warning up front, I'm suffering from a kidney stone and I'm on percoset...so I may snippy and not quite coherent. Hello everybody, I'm Ld. Torin Ironbrow, former kingdom scribe of Artemisia. I've been on the list since shortly after it started, and read it more often than not, but I didn't post when I was in the office as I wasn't sure it would be a good thing or not. The promissory issue is a bit of a hot button for me. I didn't have that many active scribes (less than 10 for the kingdom) and most of them were working directly at the royalty's request. Checking around with how other kingdoms were working with the issue, I felt that using them for non-presedence bearing awards would be a good way of bringing in new scribes and keeping from burning out the current ones. The goal was to make them so they were the best quality we could manage. The biggest problem I found with photocopies was the toner/ink would come off if it got warm. So I found a print shop that could take scroll artwork and make a plate so we could use actual ink on a real press. For a run of 100 it would be about a $1 a copy, much cheaper than color photocopies, but at that price, I would need to supply the paper. This was a good thing too, because I was planning on using 140# hot press paper. This way we could use guache and real illumination (leafing) with new and experience scribes so that it would be a 'real high quality scroll'. However, I couldn't get the kingdom to approve the funds. I was told that 'The royalty would prefer that the scrolls come from the artisans of the kingdom'. I can only assume that I wasn't good enough in describing the concept. The worst part was seeing color photocopies of the preliminary pre-prints I had made up being used a year later....at a time that the color photocopies probably ran about $2/copy. Anyway, I think the idea is still a good one when done properly. But it seems that there is still the impression that pre-prints mean kindergarten crayon coloring book quality. Torin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:25:08 -0800 From: "Tammy L. Williams" Subject: [scribes]: Scrolls from the backlog contest http://home.prcn.org/~jharcus/sca/temp/scrolls.html Here are some of the scrolls entered in the An Tir Backlog contest this last weekend. The first one on the top row won the heraldry category, the third one on the same row won Best New scribe (judged by Royal Peers - scribes had done four or less original scrolls). The third one on the bottom won the populace choice. I'm hoping to get a transmittable picture of the calligraphy winner to send later. Tam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:58:22 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: [scribes]: Guild of Book Workers Exhibition - --=====================_3647224==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >The Guild of Book Workers' traveling exhibition of members' work, The Best >of the Best, will be on display at Swarthmore College's McCabe Library >from January 10 through February 20th. > >The Guild, founded in 1906, is a national organization of printers, >bookbinders, calligraphers, papermakers, and other workers in the book >arts. This juried exhibition features the work of 33 participants from 18 >states. Come see this stunning array of works ranging from traditional >bindings to artists' books in a variety of media and structures. > >Wednesday, January 30, 4:30 pm: Opening Reception and Exhibition Tour >with Mary Phelan, Swarthmore Visiting Professor of Art and professor in >the Master of Fine Arts Program in Book Arts and Printmaking at the >University of the Arts in Philadelphia. > >Library Hours: Jan. 14-18, M-F 8:30-4:30; Jan. 19 closed; Jan. 20-Feb. 20, >M-F 8:30-10:00, Sat 10-6, Sun noon-10. >For more information contact: McCabe Library 610-328-8486 > >Address: Swarthmore College Library, 500 College Avenue, Swarthmore PA 19081 >Library: http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/ >College: http://www.swarthmore.edu > >For directions: > > >The Best of the Best is also online at the Guild of Book Workers' website >. The fully illustrated >catalogue, in postcard format and housed in a hinged plexiglass case, will >be available for purchase for $20.00 in the Mortimer Rare Book Room during >November and December. The catalog can also be ordered online. > >Future venues are: > >2002 >March 13 - April 23 San Diego State University Malcom A. Love Library, San >Diego, CA >May 7 - June 27 San Francisco Public Library San Francisco, CA > >The exhibition can be seen online at: > > > > >********************************* >Peter D. Verheyen, Publicity Chair >The Guild of Book Workers > > - --=====================_3647224==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
The Guild of Book Workers' traveling exhibition of members' work, The Best
of the Best, will be on display at Swarthmore College's McCabe Library from January 10 through February 20th.

The Guild, founded in 1906, is a national organization of printers,
bookbinders, calligraphers, papermakers, and other workers in the book
arts. This juried exhibition features the work of 33 participants from 18
states. Come see this stunning array of works ranging from traditional
bindings to artists' books in a variety of media and structures.

Wednesday, January 30, 4:30 pm:  Opening Reception and Exhibition Tour with Mary Phelan, Swarthmore Visiting Professor of Art and professor in the Master of Fine Arts Program in Book Arts and Printmaking at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

Library Hours: Jan. 14-18, M-F 8:30-4:30; Jan. 19 closed; Jan. 20-Feb. 20,
M-F 8:30-10:00, Sat 10-6, Sun noon-10.
For more information contact: McCabe Library 610-328-8486

Address:  Swarthmore College Library, 500 College Avenue, Swarthmore PA 19081
Library:  http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/
College: http://www.swarthmore.edu

For directions:
<http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=500+college+ave&csz=swarthmore%2C+pa&Country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map>

The Best of the Best is also online at the Guild of Book Workers' website
<http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw>. The fully illustrated
catalogue, in postcard format and housed in a hinged plexiglass case, will
be available for purchase for $20.00 in the Mortimer Rare Book Room during
November and December. The catalog can also be ordered online.

Future venues are:

2002
March 13 - April 23 San Diego State University Malcom A. Love Library, San Diego, CA
May 7 - June 27 San Francisco Public Library San Francisco, CA

The exhibition can be seen online at:
<http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw>



*********************************
Peter D. Verheyen, Publicity Chair
The Guild of Book Workers
<http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/gbw>
<mailto:gbw@dreamscape.com>
- --=====================_3647224==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:45:20 +0000 From: "Russell Husted" Subject: [scribes]: shoulder progress
Having gone into this surgery sort of clueless, I want to let people know what it is like if they ever have rotator cuff surgery. So here is a progress report.
 
Two weeks after surgury I am allowed to take my arm out of the sling and start using both hands for simple things, but no lifting of anything and my arm must be supported. Writing and typing are legal, but writing hurts and my arm tiers fast.
 
I am allowed at 3 weeks to start some simple rehab moves, but as of yet, I am still not supposed to move my shoulder.
 
At week 4 the Dr. wants to see me again
 
At week 6 I start rehab with the therapists.
 
That is how much I know now.
 
Arm is coming along reasonably well. the entry wounds are all but healed. Still no ability to rotate upper arm, hold any weight, or move the shoulder.
 
Thank you to all who sent me comments. I appreciated your words of advise and encouragement.
 
your servant,
mahee

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=================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:21:33 EST From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scrolls from the backlog contest - --part1_172.23392da.297756ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/02 2:26:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamlyn@gte.net writes: > > http://home.prcn.org/~jharcus/sca/temp/scrolls.html > > Here are some of the scrolls entered in the An Tir Backlog contest this > last > weekend. The first one on the top row won the heraldry category, the third > one on the same row won Best New scribe (judged by Royal Peers - scribes > had > done four or less original scrolls). The third one on the bottom won the > populace choice. I'm hoping to get a transmittable picture of the > calligraphy winner to send later. > > Tam > > Thanks for showing us the scrolls. I love to see other people's work. I'm especially interested in the layout of the scrolls. Tamara - --part1_172.23392da.297756ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/02 2:26:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, tamlyn@gte.net writes:



http://home.prcn.org/~jharcus/sca/temp/scrolls.html

Here are some of the scrolls entered in the An Tir Backlog contest this last
weekend.  The first one on the top row won the heraldry category, the third
one on the same row won Best New scribe (judged by Royal Peers - scribes had
done four or less original scrolls).  The third one on the bottom won the
populace choice.  I'm hoping to get a transmittable picture of the
calligraphy winner to send later.

Tam






Thanks for showing us the scrolls. I love to see other people's work. I'm especially interested in the layout of the scrolls.


Tamara - --part1_172.23392da.297756ed_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:57:23 -0500 From: "Missy Walters" Subject: [scribes]: Missing item This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C19EB7.400ECC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, We seem to have a rogue fencing jacket here. The last place we = remember seeing it was at the Feast of St. Dismas. It is white, short = sleeve (slightly tinged pink from a washing accident). If you have any = idea of the whereabouts of this lost puppy, please contact us! Thanks Brig and Lucien - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C19EB7.400ECC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
    We seem to have a = rogue fencing=20 jacket here. The last place we remember seeing it was at the Feast of = St.=20 Dismas. It is white, short sleeve (slightly tinged pink from a washing=20 accident). If you have any idea of the whereabouts of this lost puppy, = please=20 contact us!
 
Thanks
Brig and = Lucien
- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C19EB7.400ECC80-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:00:34 EST From: PDRUSS@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: promissories Greetings, I've been reading about the pre-printed scrolls and how some Kingdoms no longer use then and some do. I use to paint them for my Kingdom, Trimaris, until they went to all orginial scrolls about a 1 1/2 years ago. I love to paint but can't draw at all. I would be interested in helping paint some preprinted scrolls, I don't really care what Kingdom. But they would have to be mailed to me. I use the Gouche paints and if you want to see some of my past work I can send a scan of a few scrolls. Please send me a private email. Dianne Florida =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:34:46 -0800 From: "Tammy L. Williams" Subject: [scribes]: Another An Tir 12th Night Backlog contest winner Here's the calligraphy winner for the contest (another new scribe:-} > > Here's the URL for mine (pre-signature and seal): > http://www.cybcon.com/~aurak/images/miraaalr.JPG > > I'll keep you posted as to the status of the rest. > > - Áedán =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:58:30 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: [scribes]: vellum sources, cited on paperinkarts.com Greetings, I was browsing the Paper & Ink Arts website, link thoughtfully provided here a few days ago, and noticed they've included a noticeboard for chat/tips w/ other artists. Sure enough, someone posted asking for a source of vellum/parchment. Here are the addresses in the 3 replies. (Unfortunately for me, all in the US! but hopefully of help to others.) Regards, Genevieve Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere - ------------------------------- Jesse Meyer Parchment Maker 11 Factory St. box 307 Montgomery N.Y. 12549 845.457.3834 - --------------- A great source is Talas in NYC. You can order on the web at http://talas-nyc.com. They sell a wide assortment of goat, calf, and sheep vellums and parchments in full skins, cut sizes, and irregular cuttings. http://talas-nyc.com - ----------------- Have you tried the following store: THE BOOKBINDER'S WAREHOUSE, INC. 31 Division Street (rear) Keyport, New Jersey 07735-1522 ph: (908) 264-0306 - -- It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen. -- Aristotle (384-322 BCE) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:56:20 -0800 From: Colleen /Celdae Anderson Subject: [scribes]: islamic calligraphy More on the Islamic calligraphy exhibit that's here in Lions gate until May. > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:42 PM > Subject: Museum of Anth Announces Islamic Calligrapher in > Residence > > > > Jennifer Webb, Communications (822-5950) > > January 15, 2002 > > > > The UBC Museum of Anthropology Proudly Presents > > > > Master Calligrapher Mohammad Ehsai > > February 2-5, 2002 > > > > In conjunction with the exhibition, The Spirit of Islam: > Experiencing Islam > > Through Calligraphy," MOA is hosting a series of > calligraphy classes* and > > public programs by world-renowned artist Mohammad Ehsai > (Tehran, Iran). > > > > > > Saturday, February 2, 9:00-11:30 am > > Beginners' Calligraphy Class > > Introductory class on the basics of Arabic calligraphy. > > Suitable for those with little or no experience in > calligraphy or Arabic. > > $35 (incl. supplies); limit 25. Pre-registration required. > > > > > > Saturday, February 2, 1:00-3:00 pm > > Calligraphy Demonstration > > Held in the madrasa (educational space) of the exhibit. > > Free with regular admission. > > > > > > Sunday, February 3, 9:00-11:30 am > > Master Calligraphy Class > > Mentoring class for those with experience in calligraphy. > > $50; limit 10. Pre-registration required. > > > > > > Tuesday, February 5, 7:00 pm > > Talk and Slide Show > > Mr. Ehsai presents a slide show on Islamic calligraphy and > his own work, > > followed by a reception co-hosted by Ziba Art and Framing. > Free admission. > > > > > > *Note: Pre-registration for classes is required; please > call 604.822.5978. > > Mr. Ehsai's visit is sponsored by the Embassy of The > Islamic Republic of > > Iran in Ottawa. > > Thanks to the Georgia Straight for print sponsorship of > "The Spirit of > > Islam" public programming. > > > > Museum of Anthropology, 6393 N.W. Marine Drive, > > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z2; 604.822.5087; www.moa.ubc.ca - -- Ask not what your country can do for you but what your country has done in your name. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: promissories Dear Diane, You write, "I've been reading about the pre-printed scrolls and how some Kingdoms no longer use then and some do. I use to paint them for my Kingdom, Trimaris, until they went to all orginial scrolls about a 1 1/2 years ago." I'd like to know how this changeover happened: who suggested it and why, who thought it was a good idea and who thought it was a bad idea, who finally agreed and took the lead, and if you're all happy with the results. - -- Johannes v.n. "Those who don't read ... have no advantage over those who can't" -- Mark Twain =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #64 ****************************