From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #62 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, January 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 062 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: apprentice makes good :) Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll RE: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints [scribes]: Scribal Bookshelves (was: Warning...cold medication and Scribes...) Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:09:54 -0900 From: Heather Dorsett Subject: Re: [scribes]: apprentice makes good :) KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote:

(Three years deserves a little more work than usual, so, I'm taking extra care in making this one.)

I'm jealous! Only three years backlogged? Two of my current assignments are sixteen and *nineteen* years old. If any of you gets bored, please move up to Oertha (where we had no scribes for *far* too long)!

--Helena Ochastka
Winter's Gate, Oertha, West (Fairbanks, Alaska) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:22:15 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll - --part1_92.1faa32dd.296fd087_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/02 12:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, hdorsett@alaska.net writes: > KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: > >> (Three years deserves a little more work than usual, so, I'm taking extra >> care in making this one.) > 'm jealous! Only three years backlogged? Two of my current assignments > are sixteen and *nineteen* years old. If any of you gets bored, please > move up to Oertha (where we had no scribes for *far* too long)! > --Helena Ochastka > I did a scroll at the end of August for my SCA "dad"'s Kings & Queen's archery championship scroll (Ragnar Two-Axe, Queen's Champion). Apparently that one was due 5 1/4 years prior. Still.... really no reason why anyone should have to wait more than they have to to get their scroll. 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in the SCA, and in good health. And, as far as the offer to scribe backlog for your locale goes.... Make me an offer. I'm a mercenary, I accept bribes. *grin* I can totally relate to the thing about there not being a whole lot of scribes in an area though. Out here, you'll find a glut of them in one area, and nearly none in a concentrated group within a 40-50 mile radius. I'm trying to change that, by trying to promote a local calligraphy group. There are people within minutes of me from the proposed Canton of the Western Gate interested, but getting people to decide on a night when I'm available is slowing things up, added to other responsibilities until the end of this month. The only teaching I'll be able to do is on the weekend, up in Monroe, as a quiet break before we resume preparations for our event again. Plus "arts and sciences" day with the household for me will include making up the candy-cane wands for my wand shoot.... But really, as far as finding scribes goes? Ask around, see if there's anyone interested in getting together to learn calligraphy, even if they can't paint, or don't want to paint.... Maybe you'll find some pleasant surprises in your own backyard. :) Good luck with the scroll! ==-----> Kayleigh - --part1_92.1faa32dd.296fd087_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/02 12:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, hdorsett@alaska.net writes:

KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote:
(Three years deserves a little more work than usual, so, I'm taking extra care in making this one.)

'm jealous! Only three years backlogged? Two of my current assignments are sixteen and *nineteen* years old. If any of you gets bored, please move up to Oertha (where we had no scribes for *far* too long)!
--Helena Ochastka
Winter's Gate, Oertha, West (Fairbanks, Alaska)

I did a scroll at the end of August for my SCA "dad"'s Kings & Queen's archery championship scroll (Ragnar Two-Axe, Queen's Champion). Apparently that one was due 5 1/4 years prior. Still.... really no reason why anyone should have to wait more than they have to to get their scroll.

16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in the SCA, and in good health.

And, as far as the offer to scribe backlog for your locale goes.... Make me an offer. I'm a mercenary, I accept bribes. *grin*

I can totally relate to the thing about there not being a whole lot of scribes in an area though. Out here, you'll find a glut of them in one area, and nearly none in a concentrated group within a 40-50 mile radius. I'm trying to change that, by trying to promote a local calligraphy group. There are people within minutes of me from the proposed Canton of the Western Gate interested, but getting people to decide on a night when I'm available is slowing things up, added to other responsibilities until the end of this month. The only teaching I'll be able to do is on the weekend, up in Monroe, as a quiet break before we resume preparations for our event again. Plus "arts and sciences" day with the household for me will include making up the candy-cane wands for my wand shoot....

But really, as far as finding scribes goes? Ask around, see if there's anyone interested in getting together to learn calligraphy, even if they can't paint, or don't want to paint.... Maybe you'll find some pleasant surprises in your own backyard. :)

Good luck with the scroll!

==-----> Kayleigh - --part1_92.1faa32dd.296fd087_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Lyle H. Gray" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll > 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in > the SCA, and in good health. Excuse me? Some of us have been in the SCA for longer than that, and are in _fine_ health. ;-) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:16:29 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll > > 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in > > the SCA, and in good health. > > Excuse me? Some of us have been in the SCA for longer than that, > and are in _fine_ health. ;-) 24 years this past September 29th. And aside from today being down with a miserable cold and having badly injured my back and spending day #2 home from work with my heating pad, anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxer meds, I am otherwise in pretty good shape! The back went out on a hike just before New Year's. Thought it'd heal itself. That was about 10 days ago. The pain just got too unbearable, and then I caught this chest cold, which means tons of coughing, and with an already miserably painful back, it just got to be too much. So I went to the doc last night and got some meds. I feel slightly better today and go to my massotherapist this afternoon. Nothing worse than when your back hurts. Hard to do anything comfortably. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:42:04 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll In a message dated Fri, 11 Jan 2002 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Lyle H. Gray" writes: > > 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in the SCA, and in good health. > > Excuse me? Some of us have been in the SCA for longer than that, and are in _fine_ health. ;-) I meant no ill in that commentary, it's just that I have heard stories here and there of an award being done posthumously. Well, not by a dead scribe... oh bother, you know what I mean. :)*poke* ~Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:04:44 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll I am working on an AA from AS 11 as we speak. :-) Ken Stoner Stress, Performance and Scale - -----Original Message----- From: KMcWhyte@aol.com [mailto:KMcWhyte@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:42 AM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll In a message dated Fri, 11 Jan 2002 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Lyle H. Gray" writes: > > 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in the SCA, and in good health. > > Excuse me? Some of us have been in the SCA for longer than that, and are in _fine_ health. ;-) I meant no ill in that commentary, it's just that I have heard stories here and there of an award being done posthumously. Well, not by a dead scribe... oh bother, you know what I mean. :)*poke* ~Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:34 -0900 From: hdorsett@alaska.net Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll - ----- Original Message ----- From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:42 am Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll > In a message dated Fri, 11 Jan 2002 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard > Time, "Lyle H. Gray" writes: > > > > 16 and 19 years is a LONG time! Hope the person's still in the > SCA, and in good health. > > > > Excuse me? Some of us have been in the SCA for longer than > that, and are in _fine_ health. ;-) > > I meant no ill in that commentary, it's just that I have heard > stories here and there of an award being done posthumously. Well, > not by a dead scribe... oh bother, you know what I mean. :)*poke* They're both still in the SCA--a pair of Viscountesses, alive and kicking. So these scrolls won't be posthumous. ...No, not *that* way either. <*poke* back!> ;-) Helena Ochastka Barony of Winter's Gate, Oertha, West (Fairbanks, AK) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:33:04 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19AEF.EF769F46" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AEF.EF769F46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this was intended for the whole list... apologies if not. =20 Ken Stoner =20 Stress, Performance and Scale - -----Original Message----- From: Floriligeum@aol.com [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:31 PM To: Ken Stoner Subject: Backlog lists & preprints =20 This discussion of the age of some of the backlog assignments we are working on has triggered a question that has been in the back of my mind for a while. I've been thinking about the length and age of the backlog lists in different Kingdoms. I am wondering if there is any connection between the length of the backlog list and the use of preprints. If anyone cares to share any information on their kingdom and the use of preprints and the length of their kingdoms backlog list I would be able to get this question off my mind.=20 Just in case any one else is wondering I just checked the East Kingdom backlog list and there are 54 unassigned on our published list. The East Kingdom does not use preprints for anything. I know that some of the kingdoms that do use preprints have lists that number in the hundreds. Does anyone think there might be any correlation?=20 Yours in service,=20 Sarra the Lymner=20 Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom=20 MKA Sarah Dressler=20 Sarra's Florilegium =20 www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com=20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AEF.EF769F46 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this was = intended for the whole list… apologies if not.

Ken Stoner

Stress, = Performance and Scale

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From: Floriligeum@aol.com<= /font> = [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com<= /font>]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:31 = PM
To: Ken = Stoner
Subject: Backlog lists = & preprints

This discussion of the age of some = of the backlog assignments we are working on has triggered a question that has = been in the back of my mind for a while. I've been thinking about the = length and age of the backlog lists in different Kingdoms. I am wondering if = there is any connection between the length of the backlog list and the use of preprints. If anyone cares to share any information on their = kingdom and the use of preprints and the length of their kingdoms backlog list I = would be able to get this question off my mind.

Just in case any one else is wondering I just checked the = East = Kingdom = backlog list and there are 54 unassigned on our published list. The = East = Kingdom = does not use preprints for anything. I know that some of the kingdoms that = do use preprints have lists that number in the hundreds. Does anyone = think there might be any correlation?

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's = Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

=00 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19AEF.EF769F46-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:57:12 -0800 (PST) From: Hillary Greenslade Subject: [scribes]: Scribal Bookshelves (was: Warning...cold medication and Scribes...) - --- Sally Burnell wrote: > My sister, the neat freak of the family, heard about this and had IKEA > send me a catalogue. It arrived today. Mercy, I could go crazy with all of > the bookshelf type of things they have in their catalogue! I've been > looking around this tiny living room brainstorming on how I could finally > maybe get my scribal books up off the floor! Greetings! I have one of those 'neet-freak' sister's too, fortunately she lives in California, and I live in Texas. Must! Must! get those scribe books up off the floor. I learned a very painful and expensive lesson last fall, when I had a bunch of my scribe books stacked up along the floor, leaning on the coffee table. I arrived home late from work one night, to find my toilet tank had popped its floater ball, and the water overflowed into the whole house. The pages in the books acted like a sponge, and they were soaked half way up the spines. Older books with non-glossy paged could be dried out, but the newer books with the glossy pages just glued themselves together (sizings) and will never open again. No to mention the mildew accumulated within the bindings. While I was insured (thank God for renters-insurance), it will not replace the many out-of-print book treasures that I have found over the many years of searching used bookstores. Take some of the money you would spend on the books and definately spend it on some bookshelves to protect your art investment. Yours, Hillary Greenslade Stargate, Ansteorra hillaryrg@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:28:46 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints >>Just in case any one else is wondering I just checked the East Kingdom backlog list and there are 54 unassigned on our published list. �The East Kingdom does not use preprints for anything. �I know that some of the kingdoms that do use preprints have lists that number in the hundreds. Does anyone think there might be any correlation? << I don't think there's any correlation at all. Caid does not use preprints for anything either (except promissories) and our backlog numbers are in the 100s if you were to count all the awards ever given. Because we purged the list some time ago and had anyone who had received an award reconfirm that they actually wanted a scroll, we've reduced the backlog to maybe a couple hundred instead of maybe 1000. We average less than 30 scrolls per reign completed, so we fall behind every year. I seem to recall hearing that about 10 years ago, the East had someone who nearly single-handedly cleared out their backlog in a couple of years. I don't remember who the scribe was, but remember being told he worked a graveyard shift where his entire job consisted of changing computer tapes about once every half hour. To keep himself from going completely stir crazy he took his scribal supplies to work and did scrolls all night. If that story is true, that could explain the East's lack of backlog - I think you guys have just never fallen behind again because you have a good active scribal cadre as well. Tetchubah, Caid, the kingdom of probably about a dozen active scribes Cry "Bother" and let loose the Poohs of war. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:24:32 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints Although I don't think there's a correlation between the use of preprints in other kingdoms and the relatively low backlog in comparison, I do know that there are at least a good 56 or more scribes in the East. If each scribe took one of the backlog assignments, we could probably get the entire backlog list wiped out almost instantly. You remember when Countess Isabella was queen, a year ago? She issued roughly 360 scrolls in a single reign, mostly, from what I hear, to give recognition to people who had been "overlooked" for years -- but that's rumor. Fact -- there was no backlog from her reign, according to the Signet report. :) Considering that I had just become a scribe halfway through the reign before, I was doing one scroll or more each month, as opposed to a total of 2 in the prior reign. Also, with regard to accuracy on the backlog list... Technically there's 53 unassigned. I sent an e-mail in back in September when I received the go-ahead for the current backlog (now there's an oxymoron....) assignment to the backlog webmaster, and the last 2 times I checked, that person's name is still listed as "unassigned". It makes me wonder how many other people are in the same situation? There have also been other minor inaccuracies.... IE Vladimir Bathory da Villarquamada (and a string of surnames), getting 3 AoA's.... This isn't to say that the backlog list is totally inaccurate, but it's been known to blunder slightly on occasion. I've also noticed that by posting the list on the web, Eastern scribes are more or less able to pick and choose the backlogs they wish to do. While I don't mind picking out backlog assignments of people I know, this isn't to say that I wouldn't pick one out for someone I don't. I met someone locally within the last few months who still had a scroll owed to him, which is still sitting on the backlog list. Unfortunately, I had to explain that I was already occupied with 1 current assignment and 1 backlog, and 2 small "thank you" notes. While I would have every intent to try working on his scroll in due time, I can't help but feel slightly guilty for being unable to assist him a little sooner. At this point, the backlog I have here should be handed out in March due to event proximity to the recipient, and training myself mundanely in web design while looking for a better job out of state. But then there's that "Just say no" thing again.... Takes a while to get used to that. It's tough being one of very few local scribes. As much as I would LIKE to kill the backlog for the local SCAdians, time and RL responsibilities won't allow for that for a good 'nother 2 months. Not going to rush myself and add more pressure to myself to get it done, but hopefully everything will work itself out in due time. ==-----> Kayleigh (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY In a message dated 1/11/02 5:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kenstone@microsoft.com writes: << This discussion of the age of some of the backlog assignments we are working on has triggered a question that has been in the back of my mind for a while. I've been thinking about the length and age of the backlog lists in different Kingdoms. I am wondering if there is any connection between the length of the backlog list and the use of preprints. If anyone cares to share any information on their kingdom and the use of preprints and the length of their kingdoms backlog list I would be able to get this question off my mind. Just in case any one else is wondering I just checked the East Kingdom backlog list and there are 54 unassigned on our published list. The East Kingdom does not use preprints for anything. I know that some of the kingdoms that do use preprints have lists that number in the hundreds. Does anyone think there might be any correlation? >> =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:04:06 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints I haven't a clue as to what the backlog is in the Midrealm. All I know is that I have spoken to Peers who have gone YEARS and never received their scroll. That seems to be the most pressing problem, actually. I don't know if there is any one person responsible for dealing with the backlog in the Midrealm or not. Having never worked as a Signet, I am not entirely sure how they run things. But many of my old friends who are Peers have told me how they have never ever received a scroll. And some of them have been Peers for...........well, years and years and years. I'm sure there is also a backlog for other awards here, but how bad or how big, I haven't a clue. And we're one of only a handful of Kingdoms that gives completely original, hand done scrolls, as I am given to understand. Don't know if this is a part of the backlog problem or what. Anyway, it would be nice if there was a "backlog signet" who was responsible for seeing to it that backlogged scrolls were getting done. Far easier to do a backlog scroll than to get one of those frantic, late night calls from the Regional Signet, asking for a scroll to be done in less than a week. Goodness knows, I've been on the receiving end of more of those phone calls than I would like to admit. I can get that kind of last minute work done and produce a decent looking scroll. I just don't LIKE to do that! I'd prefer to have far more notice than what we normally seem to get around here. But a lot of times, I guess, the Regional Signets either don't know the Royal Travel schedule, or if they do, they don't get the court award list for the upcoming event from the Kingdom Signet until about a week out from the upcoming event, which then results in those last minute phone calls to get the scrolls done the week before the event. And I have to admit, given the pressure we scribes frequently labour under, I'd say we do a pretty good job of making sure that all the scrolls for an event get done. And they're usually very nice looking, too. So I'd say we Midrealm scribes have much to be proud of. It's a rare day that a promissory has to go out because the scroll hasn't been finished yet. But I remember the days when a lot of promissories went out. That's probably where the majority of the backlog problem comes from. And I don't know how much of that's been resolved yet. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:37:45 EST From: HRAFNASDOT@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlogged Scroll I just finished a back logged scroll for An Tir and I live in Ansteorra. I got the assignment from a general call on this list for help with scrolls. Although it took me a couple of months to finish, I did enjoy it tremendously. As I seem to be one of the few scribes without assignments, I would not mind doing another, if a kingdom does not mind going out of their area for a scribe. I do late period stuff, with batarde/bastard script. And I would need the two/three month lead time to complete it. But a backlogged scroll has many benefits, as the recipient already knows about it, can give input to preferences and the time frame would seem a little less stressful (especially if if they've waited years). Is anyone taking out of area assignments like that, at this time? Lady Asa Hrafnasdottir Loch Ruadh (latest scroll can be seen at: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cal3260 under Countess Berengaria) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:24:54 EST From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: FW: Backlog lists & preprints - --part1_f3.149955f4.2972e4a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 5:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kenstone@microsoft.com writes: > I've been thinking about the length and age of the backlog lists in > different Kingdoms. I am wondering if there is any connection between the > length of the backlog list and the use of preprints. I think the main things that influence the backlogs in any Kingdom are the number of awards given out per reign and the number of active scribes and how many scrolls they can put out in a month. Those Kingdoms with more scribes are going to have a lower backlog than those with fewer scribes. I also think the Kingdoms who use only photocopies that are colored with markers (what we call prommisories in Atlantia) for their scrolls and require the recipient to commission a hand-done scroll have lower backlogs - if any at all. I believe this is how Meridies is operating now on awards below peerage level -- though I could be wrong. I am not sure if that is a good system or not, it certainly helps to prevent doing scrolls that are not really wanted and forces the recipients to offer something in trade for the scroll so the scribes get recognition and some form of thanks or payment. This is good and bad. I would not want to force people to pay for scrolls, but I think most scribes are taken advantage of by the general populace most of the time. They take it for granted that they are going to get a scroll and do not think about the time, effort or money that goes into it. A system like the one above would eliminate that mindset, probably. Anyway, I like the way we do it in Atlantia, for the most part. We try to hand out scrolls at the time of the award, if the Royalty gets the information to the scribes in time to get scrolls done. If they don't we hand out a prommisory and the award goes on the backlog list (depending on what award it is). Then the Clerk of the Signet assigns that award to a scribe at some future date. And yes, there are some people on the backlog list who have not gotten their scrolls for years, but that is most often because they never passed any heraldry, or no one knows where to find them. Now, if you want a backlog, you should look at my local Baronial backlog of awards! Whew! We only have about six scribes in our group and I am the only one who is consistantly active, with two others being relatively active. None of us get many scrolls done and so the backlog seems to grow with each event we hold...sigh! One of these days we'll get caught up! I hope this answered some of the question. Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift) Deputy Clerk Signet, Atlantia >> If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around your neck? -Linda Ellerbee- << - --part1_f3.149955f4.2972e4a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 5:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kenstone@microsoft.com writes:

I've been thinking about the length and age of the backlog lists in different Kingdoms. I am wondering if there is any connection between the length of the backlog list and the use of preprints.

I think the main things that influence the backlogs in any Kingdom are the number of awards given out per reign and the number of active scribes and how many scrolls they can put out in a month. Those Kingdoms with more scribes are going to have a lower backlog than those with fewer scribes. I also think the Kingdoms who use only photocopies that are colored with markers (what we call prommisories in Atlantia) for their scrolls and require the recipient to commission a hand-done scroll have lower backlogs - if any at all. I believe this is how Meridies is operating now on awards below peerage level -- though I could be wrong. I am not sure if that is a good system or not, it certainly helps to prevent doing scrolls that are not really wanted and forces the recipients to offer something in trade for the scroll so the scribes get recognition and some form of thanks or payment. This is good and bad. I would not want to force people to pay for scrolls, but I think most scribes are taken advantage of by the general populace most of the time. They take it for granted that they are going to get a scroll and do not think about the time, effort or money that goes into it. A system like the one above would eliminate that mindset, probably.

Anyway, I like the way we do it in Atlantia, for the most part. We try to hand out scrolls at the time of the award, if the Royalty gets the information to the scribes in time to get scrolls done. If they don't we hand out a prommisory and the award goes on the backlog list (depending on what award it is). Then the Clerk of the Signet assigns that award to a scribe at some future date. And yes, there are some people on the backlog list who have not gotten their scrolls for years, but that is most often because they never passed any heraldry, or no one knows where to find them.

Now, if you want a backlog, you should look at my local Baronial backlog of awards! Whew! We only have about six scribes in our group and I am the only one who is consistantly active, with two others being relatively active. None of us get many scrolls done and so the backlog seems to grow with each event we hold...sigh! One of these days we'll get caught up!

I hope this answered some of the question.
Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift)
Deputy Clerk Signet, Atlantia
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