From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #58 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, January 3 2002 Volume 07 : Number 058 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination RE: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination [scribes]: VELLUM!!! Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East Re: [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination [scribes]: Latin translation help Re: [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:29:40 -0800 From: Karen Williams Subject: Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination Jan McEwen wrote: > > > What I do is look at a couple of period examples of the hand I'm doing, > > and the style I want to do, and see what they do. Some hands, like > > Carolingian miniscule, span hundreds of years and many areas, so it's > > hard to say "Yes, they always did this" since "they" can change so > > drastically. > > Carolingian miniscule is the only hand I am competent at (for now). I'm > somewhat familiar with Carolingian illumination during the Carolingian > period, at least in the heart of Charlemagne's empire. Are there other > styles of illumination that would be appropriate with Carolingian > miniscule? I once saw an example of interlace (knotwork) done with > Carolingian miniscule, but haven't been able to find the example again. Since the use of Carolingian miniscule spanned roughly some four hundred years, it's safe to say that there will be some variety in the illumination used along with it. (Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 800 A.D.) I've seen knotwork done with Carolingian miniscule, but it didn't have Celtic animals as part of the knotwork, it had leaf designs. I can't remember exactly where this style was done, beyond roughly around the turn of the last millenium and somewhere in Frankish Gaul. Branwen ferch Emrys - -- Karen Williams branwen@ix.netcom.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:44:34 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination Isn't the Codex Aureus in Carolingian miniscule? Ken Stoner Stress, Performance and Scale - -----Original Message----- From: Karen Williams [mailto:branwen@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:30 PM To: Jan McEwen; scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination Jan McEwen wrote: > > > What I do is look at a couple of period examples of the hand I'm doing, > > and the style I want to do, and see what they do. Some hands, like > > Carolingian miniscule, span hundreds of years and many areas, so it's > > hard to say "Yes, they always did this" since "they" can change so > > drastically. > > Carolingian miniscule is the only hand I am competent at (for now). I'm > somewhat familiar with Carolingian illumination during the Carolingian > period, at least in the heart of Charlemagne's empire. Are there other > styles of illumination that would be appropriate with Carolingian > miniscule? I once saw an example of interlace (knotwork) done with > Carolingian miniscule, but haven't been able to find the example again. Since the use of Carolingian miniscule spanned roughly some four hundred years, it's safe to say that there will be some variety in the illumination used along with it. (Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 800 A.D.) I've seen knotwork done with Carolingian miniscule, but it didn't have Celtic animals as part of the knotwork, it had leaf designs. I can't remember exactly where this style was done, beyond roughly around the turn of the last millenium and somewhere in Frankish Gaul. Branwen ferch Emrys - -- Karen Williams branwen@ix.netcom.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:15:26 -0500 From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination Greetings-- > Since the use of Carolingian miniscule spanned roughly some four hundred > years, it's safe to say that there will be some variety in the illumination > used along with it. (Charlemagne was crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 800 A.D.) > I've seen knotwork done with Carolingian miniscule, but it didn't have Celtic > animals as part of the knotwork, it had leaf designs. I can't remember > exactly where this style was done, beyond roughly around the turn of the > last millenium and somewhere in Frankish Gaul. The other cool thing is that Carolingian miniscule was the basis for the later Humanist script, so that if you know the one, with a little work you can pick up the other. That gives you a couple hundred years in the latter end of our period to play with... Nicolaa =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:15:29 -0700 From: "Mary Edenfield" Subject: [scribes]: VELLUM!!! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C193CA.38FD8460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all; I am presently negotiating with a vellum maker from the East Coast. I = have samples in hand and they are lucious! My problem is cash flow. I'd = really really like to have this order in for Estrella, but can't afford = to do this and stock up on everything else. Soooo, I'm soliciting = pre-paid orders. I have to order just one kind of skin and settled on = the deerskin. It's a nice tan parchment color, some may have slight = mottling. You can order cut peices, half or full skins. I will need = everything paid by Jan 15th, so I can mail the man a check. Reply = privately if you are interested, for the priceing. Thanks, Maistreas Mairi Broder Mary Edenfield Canyon Keep Ent. www.canyonkeep.net ladymari@cybertrails.com - ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C193CA.38FD8460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all;
 
I am presently negotiating with a vellum maker = from the=20 East Coast. I have samples in hand and they are lucious! My problem is = cash=20 flow. I'd really really like to have this order in for Estrella, but = can't=20 afford to do this and stock up on everything else. Soooo, I'm soliciting = pre-paid orders. I have to order just one kind of skin and settled on = the=20 deerskin. It's a nice tan parchment color, some may have slight = mottling. You=20 can order cut peices, half or full skins. I will need everything paid by = Jan=20 15th, so I can mail the man a check. Reply privately if you are = interested, for=20 the priceing.
 
Thanks,
Maistreas Mairi Broder
Mary Edenfield
Canyon Keep Ent.
www.canyonkeep.net
ladymari@cybertrails.com
- ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C193CA.38FD8460-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:32:26 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C193DD.5AF8E100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing the Atlantia Event announcement posted, I thought I ought to post = this one also. The event is in South-East PA, so those from Northern = Atlantia are not far, and AEthelmearc is also within reasonable = distance. We have some classes scheduled at this point, but are still = looking for more teachers.=20 I would love to comne to the event in Atlantia, but seeing as I have a = baby due April 27, I don't think I will be doing anything after = autocratting this event in March!! Olwyn Eisental, East Scribal Quest Scribes of the East, our nemesis has been found! He lurks over our = shoulders, ready to pounce at the first slip of a quill, he is = Titivillus, patron demon of scribes, while he is a mighty foe, there is = hope. It is only through diligent practice and sharing out knowledge = with all calligraphers and illuminators that we may grow strong in our = art and work to defeat him. Our army is small, we invite all who would = join us on this quest to pack your quills, paints and portfolios and = journey to the Shire of Eisental on March 2, 2002. The day will offer a variety of classes for all skill levels, including = introductory and will hold round table discussions on a variety of = topics. Those wishing to explore these arts are invited to try their = hand. We will be sustained this day by a splendid mid day meal prepared = by Lady Rowan of Meikledale.=20 The site, Mt Zion Lutheran Church 1343 Long Lane, Kutztown, PA 19530, = will open at 9:00 am and close at 6pm with the first class beginning at = 10am. The site fee is $5 per person 13 and older. Individual classes may = have modest materials fees, and will be noted on the schedule. A = proceedings book will be available for purchase at cost for any = pre-registered person at the event and available by order for cost plus = shipping after the event to anyone who would like a copy. Our schedule still has room and we are actively seeking more teachers, = please contact the autocrats if you'd like to volunteer. Merchants who = cater to scribes are invited to come and tempt us but please contact us = in advance so we can be sure accommodate you. Limited crash space is = available but must be pre-arranged.=20 Please contact the autocrats, Lady Olwyn ni Chinneidigh (Amy = Kennedy-Butler 610/282-6817, olwyn@enter.net ) or Lady Ellesbeth = Donofrey (Elizabeth Amick, 610/866-5755, ellesbeth@browser.net ) with = any questions or to arrange crash space. Checks should be made out to = SCA Inc - Shire of Eisental and mailed to Amy Kennedy-Butler, 236 E. = State Street, Coopersburg, PA 18034. Check our Shire's website for = updates and schedules, www.eisental.eastkingdom.org. Directions: Find best route to 22/78 between Allentown and Harrisburg, = PA.=20 From the North or South, take the PA Turnpike to Exit 56 (Lehigh = Valley). Get on Route 22 West. From the East, take Route 22 or 78 West. = From Harrisburg, get on Route 78 East. Route 78 and 22 are merged in the = area of your exit.=20 All directions take Route 22/78 to Exit 40 (Kutztown/Krumsville, Rt. = 737). Turn right (both directions) at the end of the ramp onto North = 737. Turn right at first stop sign onto Old 22. Make the first left onto = Long Lane at signs for Mt. Zion Lutheran Church. Church is on right. = Please use the entrance at the end of the parking lot. - ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C193DD.5AF8E100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Seeing the Atlantia Event announcement = posted, I=20 thought I ought to post this one also. The event is in South-East PA, so = those=20 from Northern Atlantia are not far, and AEthelmearc is also within = reasonable=20 distance. We have some classes scheduled at this point, but are still = looking=20 for more teachers.

I would love to comne to the event = in Atlantia,=20 but seeing as I have a baby due April 27, I don't think I will be doing = anything=20 after autocratting this event in March!!

Olwyn
Eisental, = East

Scribal Quest
Scribes of the = East, our=20 nemesis has been found! He lurks over our shoulders, ready to pounce at = the=20 first slip of a quill, he is Titivillus, patron demon of scribes, while = he is a=20 mighty foe, there is hope. It is only through diligent practice and = sharing out=20 knowledge with all calligraphers and illuminators that we may grow = strong in our=20 art and work to defeat him. Our army is small, we invite all who would = join us=20 on this quest to pack your quills, paints and portfolios and journey to = the=20 Shire of Eisental on March 2, 2002.

The day will offer a variety of = classes for all=20 skill levels, including introductory and will hold round table = discussions on a=20 variety of topics. Those wishing to explore these arts are invited to = try their=20 hand. We will be sustained this day by a splendid mid day meal prepared = by Lady=20 Rowan of Meikledale.
The site, Mt Zion Lutheran Church 1343 Long = Lane,=20 Kutztown, PA 19530, will open at 9:00 am and close at 6pm with the first = class=20 beginning at 10am. The site fee is $5 per person 13 and older. = Individual=20 classes may have modest materials fees, and will be noted on the = schedule. A=20 proceedings book will be available for purchase at cost for any = pre-registered=20 person at the event and available by order for cost plus shipping after = the=20 event to anyone who would like a copy.
Our schedule still has room = and we are=20 actively seeking more teachers, please contact the autocrats if = you’d like to=20 volunteer. Merchants who cater to scribes are invited to come and tempt = us but=20 please contact us in advance so we can be sure accommodate you. Limited = crash=20 space is available but must be pre-arranged.

Please contact the autocrats, Lady = Olwyn ni=20 Chinneidigh (Amy Kennedy-Butler 610/282-6817, olwyn@enter.net ) or Lady Ellesbeth = Donofrey=20 (Elizabeth Amick, 610/866-5755, ellesbeth@browser.net ) with = any=20 questions or to arrange crash space. Checks should be made out to SCA = Inc –=20 Shire of Eisental and mailed to Amy Kennedy-Butler, 236 E. State Street, = Coopersburg, PA 18034. Check our Shire’s website for updates and = schedules,=20 www.eisental.eastkingdom.org.

Directions: Find best route to = 22/78 between=20 Allentown and Harrisburg, PA.
From the North or South, take the PA = Turnpike=20 to Exit 56 (Lehigh Valley). Get on Route 22 West. From the East, take = Route 22=20 or 78 West. From Harrisburg, get on Route 78 East. Route 78 and 22 are = merged in=20 the area of your exit.

All directions=20 take Route 22/78 to Exit 40 (Kutztown/Krumsville, Rt. 737). Turn right = (both=20 directions) at the end of the ramp onto North 737. Turn right at first = stop sign=20 onto Old 22. Make the first left onto Long Lane at signs for Mt. Zion = Lutheran=20 Church. Church is on right. Please use the entrance at the end of the = parking=20 lot.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C193DD.5AF8E100-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 07:00:59 -0500 From: Della Hutchison Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East >Alas, it is the same day as Ice Dragon. It sounds like a great event. If anyone figures out how to be in two places at the same time between now and March 2, please let me know! Cheers, Alicia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:04:14 EST From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East - --part1_7a.201975a5.2965b0ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/2002 7:06:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, hutchnsn@bucknell.edu writes: > > >Alas, it is the same day as Ice Dragon. It sounds like a great event. > > If anyone figures out how to be in two places at the same time between > now and March 2, please let me know! > > Cheers, > Alicia It is also the same day as Atlantia's Kingdom Arts & Sciences Festival - darn it! I am close enough that I would make the trip up and possibly teach a class if not for that. But I am already committed to the A&S Festival for a couple of things. I did forward it to my local barony list, however. Sounds like a lot of fun, I wish I could be there. Brandy - --part1_7a.201975a5.2965b0ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/2002 7:06:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, hutchnsn@bucknell.edu writes:



>Alas, it is the same day as Ice Dragon.  It sounds like a great event.

If anyone figures out how to be in two places at the same time between
now and March 2, please let me know!

Cheers,
Alicia
It is also the same day as Atlantia's Kingdom Arts & Sciences Festival - darn it! I am close enough that I would make the trip up and possibly teach a class if not for that. But I am already committed to the A&S Festival for a couple of things. I did forward it to my local barony list, however.

Sounds like a lot of fun, I wish I could be there.
Brandy
- --part1_7a.201975a5.2965b0ce_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:27:37 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes - --part1_40.16f7b097.2965b649_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, all.... Before I leap into another project, I was wondering if somebody could kindly publish a list of where I could find resources for medieval hunting scenes (esp ones which include both archery and falconry). I know Gaston Phoebus' book is one of the ones discussed previously, but I'm kind of strapped for time and can't do something quite so elaborate. I also have pictures of a few local hawks from a nearby wildlife refuge (up close and personal, behind the fence) for references, which I'd like to try to use. (Will send out copies of the pictures of the birds on request) I have by Thursday the 25th, but with my schedule allowing me to only work on this on weekdays, while preparations are made for our outdoor archery event (Jack Frost Bite Me Again) on weekends until the 26th, that only leaves me with 12 or so available days to work on it. I can do it (I want to do it)... I just need to work my buns off. :) Thanks in advance... Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island, NY - --part1_40.16f7b097.2965b649_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, all....

Before I leap into another project, I was wondering if somebody could kindly publish a list of where I could find resources for medieval hunting scenes (esp ones which include both archery and falconry). I know Gaston Phoebus' book is one of the ones discussed previously, but I'm kind of strapped for time and can't do something quite so elaborate. I also have pictures of a few local hawks from a nearby wildlife refuge (up close and personal, behind the fence) for references, which I'd like to try to use.
(Will send out copies of the pictures of the birds on request)

I have by Thursday the 25th, but with my schedule allowing me to only work on this on weekdays, while preparations are made for our outdoor archery event (Jack Frost Bite Me Again) on weekends until the 26th, that only leaves me with 12 or so available days to work on it. I can do it (I want to do it)...
I just need to work my buns off. :)

Thanks in advance...

Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East)
E.Frank, Long Island, NY - --part1_40.16f7b097.2965b649_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:19:14 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C19437.B64E9540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We knew we were up against Ice Dragon, but didn't realize we were up = against the Atlantia Kingdom event. Rats. :) We are hoping it is going to be a fun event. The site is great for = small, focused events. We have held both an embroidery event and a = heralds collegium there. We do have one teacher coming in from = Aethelmearc at this point, but that may be as a personal favor--after = all, we do camp together at Pennsic, and she is from my hometown and = original Shire. Olwyn - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com=20 To: scribes@castle.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe event in March in The East In a message dated 1/3/2002 7:06:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, = hutchnsn@bucknell.edu writes:=20 >Alas, it is the same day as Ice Dragon. It sounds like a great = event.=20 If anyone figures out how to be in two places at the same time = between=20 now and March 2, please let me know!=20 Cheers,=20 Alicia It is also the same day as Atlantia's Kingdom Arts & Sciences Festival = - - darn it! I am close enough that I would make the trip up and possibly = teach a class if not for that. But I am already committed to the A&S = Festival for a couple of things. I did forward it to my local barony = list, however.=20 Sounds like a lot of fun, I wish I could be there.=20 Brandy=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C19437.B64E9540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We knew we were up against Ice Dragon, = but didn't=20 realize we were up against the Atlantia Kingdom event. Rats. = :)
 
We are hoping it is going to be a fun = event. The=20 site is great for small, focused events. We have held both an embroidery = event=20 and a heralds collegium there. We do have one teacher coming in from = Aethelmearc=20 at this point, but that may be as a personal favor--after all, we do = camp=20 together at Pennsic, and she is from my hometown and original=20 Shire.
 
Olwyn
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BRNDALSTON@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, = 2002 8:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe = event in=20 March in The East

In a = message dated=20 1/3/2002 7:06:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, hutchnsn@bucknell.edu = writes:=20



>Alas, it is the same day as Ice Dragon.  It = sounds=20 like a great event.

If anyone figures out how to be in two = places at=20 the same time between
now and March 2, please let me know!=20

Cheers,
Alicia

It is also the same = day as=20 Atlantia's Kingdom Arts & Sciences Festival - darn it! I am close = enough=20 that I would make the trip up and possibly teach a class if not for = that. But=20 I am already committed to the A&S Festival for a couple of things. = I did=20 forward it to my local barony list, however.

Sounds like a lot = of fun,=20 I wish I could be there.
Brandy=20
- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C19437.B64E9540-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:32:09 -0800 From: ren.touch@juno.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes > publish a list of where I could find resources for medieval hunting > scenes > (esp ones which include both archery and falconry). I know Gaston > Phoebus' > greetings i do not have any thing particular in front of me but i would recommend a history of hunting and dog books especially for the older " historic ' breeds" of dogs for the birds try a falconry guide the only things you would have to change from modern is the hunting arms and the clothing(&tack) & breed of dog so any modern source would work running and pointing dogs are ageless. add a horse and perhaps the deer or fox and other animals running about( hiding behind a capital ?etc?) you are all over it best wishes i am working on the three things and places at once problem i will sleep on it Johann ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Carolingian miniscule illumination On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jan McEwen wrote: > > What I do is look at a couple of period examples of the hand I'm doing, > > and the style I want to do, and see what they do. Some hands, like > > Carolingian miniscule, span hundreds of years and many areas, so it's > > hard to say "Yes, they always did this" since "they" can change so > > drastically. > > Carolingian miniscule is the only hand I am competent at (for now). I'm > somewhat familiar with Carolingian illumination during the Carolingian > period, at least in the heart of Charlemagne's empire. Are there other > styles of illumination that would be appropriate with Carolingian > miniscule? I once saw an example of interlace (knotwork) done with > Carolingian miniscule, but haven't been able to find the example again. > > Catriona Stewart > Hmmmm. Knotwork in Carolingian/Ottonian illumination. The Codex Aureus of St. Emmeram, as seen on the front cover of _Carolingian Painting_, Florentine Mutherich and Joachim Gaehde, George Braziller, 1977. ISBN: 0807608521 Amazon has a bunch listed used, for cheap. Definitely a must-get. _The Decorated Letter_, J.J.G. Alexander. Harder to find, but has some nice initials. _The Pictorial Arts of the West: 800-1200_ C. R. Dodwell, Yale Univ Press 1995. ISBN: 0300064934 Not just illumination, but nifty all the same. Specific manuscripts? Besides the Codex Aureus (such work I can only hope to aspire to), there's the Vivian Bible, the Drogo Sacramentary, the Pericopes of Henry II. Some lovely pictures in de Hamel's _A History of Illuminated Manuscripts_. Online, there's Mistress Oriane's page of initials here: http://members.tripod.de/oriane/initials/initials.html And Almost-Mistress Merouda's class notes on goldvine/whitevine here: http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Library/2036/whitevin.htm I'll have to look at the pile of references I usually dig out when I'm designing when I get home, I know there are more than what I've listed here. Margaret FitzWilliam Northshield, Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:07:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: [scribes]: Latin translation help Help! My Latin, yea and verily, it sucketh, and my translator has been eaten by work for the foreseeable future. And I need to finish the date on a scroll. So far I've got "hic carta scriptu est" and then I want it to say "on the 12th of January in the reign of Niklos, Prince of Northshield". The 12th is Pridie Ides Ianuarius, but for the rest I'm lost. Any and all help is appreciated. Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:29:45 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Medieval Hunting Scenes - --=====================_612716559==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 08:27 AM 1/3/2002 -0500, KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote: >Greetings, all.... > >Before I leap into another project, I was wondering if somebody could=20 >kindly publish a list of where I could find resources for medieval hunting= =20 >scenes (esp ones which include both archery and falconry). Most of these are webpages, as I am at work and at home I'm swamped so=20 don't have time to peruse my books for you. :( Sorry. http://www.samfogg.demon.co.uk/egallery/wm1.htm This miniature originates from the only illuminated manuscript of Guillaume= =20 Cr=E9tin=92s Le D=E9bat entre deux dames sur le passetemps des chiens et= oyseaux http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt/bruegel.jpg Bruegel, Pieter, the elder. 1565. Hunters in the Snow http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt/arthbn.gif Arthur on the Hunt, from the Chretien de Troyes Erec and Enide MS http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt/roy1.gif Folio 55 from Les Livres Du Roy Modus et de la Royne Ratio Has falcons http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt/bayeux.jpg hunt scene from the bayeux tapestry - has falcon and dogs http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt/heures.jpg duc de barrie - tres riches - December http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/august.jpg duc de barrie - tres riches - August http://www.godecookery.com/macabre/gallery3/macbr84.htm Death hunting the hunters. From Geiler von Kaisersperg's Sermones, De=20 arbore humana, printed by Johann Gruninger, Strassburg, 1514. http://www.manitoulin-link.com/medieval/esauhunting.jpg Esau Hunting late 12th c., Monreale. He's shooting birds with a bow and=20 arrow. Nice mosaic. http://www.beaconlc.org/ctech/medieval/HAWKING.HTM page on hawking in medieval times - a couple of great pics from illums. http://www.clues.abdn.ac.uk:8080/besttest/alt/comment/best_toc.html Aberdeen bestiary. Lots of pics of people with archery equipment and lots=20 of birds. I've done a couple of scrolls from this one. http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/archerypractice.jpg page of Islamic manuscript showing archery practice. PLEASURES AND PASTIMES IN MEDIEVAL ENGLAND by Compton Reeves. Madden, D.H. A Chapter of Mediaevl History: the Fathers of the Literature=20 of Field Sport and Horses. (Port Washington : Kennikat Press, 1969). John Cummins, The Hound and the Hawk: The Art of Medieval Hunting (New=20 York: St Martin's Press, 1988). The "Cycle of Months" frescoes in Trent Italy show a snowball fight.... I=20 just think that one is cool. Hope this helps a little and I hope you are able to meet your deadline. Smiles, Despina - ---------- Philip the Fair ruled France in the early 14th-century. It was he who decreed no unmarried woman could own more than one dress, unless she'd=20 inherited a castle. - --=====================_612716559==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 08:27 AM 1/3/2002 -0500, KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote:
Greetings, all....

Before I leap into another project, I was wondering if somebody could kindly publish a list of where I could find resources for medieval hunting scenes (esp ones which include both archery and falconry).


Most of these are webpages, as I am at work and at home I'm swamped so don't have time to peruse my books for you. :(  Sorry.


http://www.samfogg.demon.co.uk/egallery/wm1.htm
This miniature originates from the only illuminated manuscript of Guillaume Cr=E9tin=92s Le D=E9bat entre deux dames sur le passetemps des chiens et oyseaux

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt= /bruegel.jpg
Bruegel, Pieter, the elder. 1565. Hunters in the Snow

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt= /arthbn.gif
Arthur on the Hunt, from the Chretien de Troyes Erec and Enide MS

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt= /roy1.gif
Folio 55 from Les Livres Du Roy Modus et de la Royne Ratio
Has falcons

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt= /bayeux.jpg
hunt scene from the bayeux tapestry - has falcon and dogs

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/hunt= /heures.jpg
duc de barrie - tres riches - December

http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/august.= jpg
duc de barrie - tres riches - August

http://www.godecookery.com/macabre/gallery3/macbr84.= htm
Death hunting the hunters. From Geiler von Kaisersperg's Sermones, De arbore humana, printed by Johann Gruninger, Strassburg,=20 1514.

http://www.manitoulin-link.com/medieval/esauhunting.= jpg
Esau Hunting late 12th c., Monreale. He's shooting birds with a bow and arrow. Nice mosaic.

http://www.beaconlc.org/ctech/medieval/HAWKING.HTM
page on hawking in medieval times - a couple of great pics from illums.

http://www.clues.abdn.ac.uk:8080/besttest/alt/comment/be= st_toc.html
Aberdeen bestiary. Lots of pics of people with archery equipment and lots of birds.  I've done a couple of scrolls from this one.

http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/War/archeryprac= tice.jpg
page of Islamic manuscript showing archery practice.

PLEASURES AND PASTIMES IN MEDIEVAL ENGLAND by Compton Reeves.

Madden, D.H. A Chapter of Mediaevl History: the Fathers of the Literature of Field Sport and Horses. (Port Washington : Kennikat Press, 1969).

John Cummins, The Hound and the Hawk: The Art of Medieval Hunting (New York: St Martin's Press, 1988).

The "Cycle of Months" frescoes in Trent Italy show a snowball fight.... I just think that one is cool.

Hope this helps a little and I hope you are able to meet your deadline.

Smiles,
Despina





Philip the Fair ruled France in the early 14th-century. It was he who
decreed no unmarried woman could own more than one dress, unless she'd inherited a castle.




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