From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #53 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, December 22 2001 Volume 07 : Number 053 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Alex? RE: [scribes]: Scribe Desk & Slope Re: [scribes]: Scribe Desk & Slope [scribes]: Italian white vine again [scribes]: Phebus' Livre de la chasse Re: [scribes]: Phebus' Livre de la chasse Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:05:20 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: [scribes]: Alex? Could you email me privately about the scroll for Thuri and Morgan? Smiles, Despina =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:58:11 -1000 From: "Dubheasa" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Scribe Desk & Slope RanthulfR, You did a beautiful job on the desk. I didn't see a time period that this is from on your website. Can you tell me approximatly what time this is from? I am still working on the documentation for a Desk and Slope that I am planning to build for an A&S competition. Are the modifications based on other pictures of scribes at work in manuscripts? Very Curious, Dubheasa Western Seas, Caid - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Behalf Of Randy Asplund Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:38 PM To: Scribes; cynnabar Subject: [scribes]: Scribe Desk & Slope Hi everybody, I finally had a chance to build that reproduction writing slope and desk that I've been itching to get to for several years now. It is based on the reproduction in the Museum of London that I photographed and put on my website: RandyAsplund.com along with some drawings. It is slightly modified from the museum sample. I lowered the front rail, widened the side ports, used lathe turned finials instead of carved trefoils, and joined the top piece to make a narrow flat edge on the top of the slope. All of these modifications are justifiable in medieval context. The desk and slope are both made from stained red oak. There is a drawer in the desk, and there will be straps nailed to the side to hold two water horns as soon as I have time to carve them. You can see them at the following URLs: www.provide.net/~randyaf/DeskFront.jpg www.provide.net/~randyaf/DeskBack.jpg RanthulfR - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:19:59 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribe Desk & Slope > I finally had a chance to build that reproduction writing slope and > desk that I've been itching to get to for several years now OK, I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous!!! Absolutely gorgeous, RanthulfR!! I want one--------------BOY, do I want one!!! ~Saradwen =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:42:07 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: [scribes]: Italian white vine again In preparation for the class I'm going to be teaching in a couple of months I was looking thru some of my books that contain good examples of this style and a couple of questions occurred to me. I looked thru those particular books but couldn't find any answers, so I thought I'd post them to the list and see if anyone can point me towards sources of information. 1) In this style, the predominant colors used are red, blue and green for the background to the vinework. Do the colors symbolize anything? What??? I kind of figure the goldwork seen in some samples is just to make it shiny and pretty ;-) 2) Ditto on the white dots. I've always assumed that these were probably symbolic of the Holy Trinity, but since this style flourished primarily during the Renaissance, and the themes mostly humanist, it may have been simply decorative, heisted from earlier styles where it *did* have symbolization. 3) My sources said this style was Florentine/Central Italian. Does anyone have a good reference with more information (like earliest examples, schools which used this style heavily in Florence, etc.) BTW, I know that a long time ago we discussed whethere this style should properly be called "white vine work" or "voided branch/vine work". Most of the books I looked thru last night called it the former, but a Christie's catalog that had a couple of examples used the latter. Found a great late period example of this style that was actually done using a wood block engraving and one color (red) for the background, as well as a hand illuminated example that had printed text. I even found one from the 18th Century. Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:40:23 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: [scribes]: Phebus' Livre de la chasse Greetings, I'm searching for an online copy of Gaston Phebus' Le Livre de la chasse, 15th c, particularly for a page depicting two archers and an arquebusier shooting deer. I'm looking for the accompanying text on this page. The closest I've found so far is here: http://www.bnf.fr/pages/expos/phebus/index.htm This site discusses (in French) the two copies of Phebus in the Bibliotheque Nationale Paris, and includes interesting text about painting, diapered backgrounds and the likely master (same as Bedford hours?). However, it shows only a selection of the images, and rarely accompanied by the text. The CD, presumeably of the entire book, is priced at 350 Fr, app. $75 CDN ($48US), acc. to www.xe.com. Can anyone point to another copy online, that might have the text, or even the text alone? I want to cite a section about archers, in French, for a project. Any help most gratefully accepted, regards, Genevieve doing Christmas painting, rather than Christmas shopping, this year - -- War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. - -Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:05:13 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Phebus' Livre de la chasse The bnf site is the only one that I know of that has it online, but as you say they only show the miniatures and none of the text. I do have this book in facsimile form - if you have the folio number I can scan the entire page of it for you. Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:16:29 -0500 From: wyverns Subject: Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question I have a copy of the Murthly Hours. While the book doesn't have that many pictures, the CD that is supposed to accompany the book has them all. I haven't had a chance to play with it much yet, but the CD is supposed to allow very close examination of some or all of the pages. One note on painting on gold, garlic juice or some other binder is generally needed. Gold - flat or raised - doesn't hold paint well. M. Enid Calontir =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #53 ****************************