From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #51 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 07 : Number 051 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: DScriptorium [scribes]: BBM Yule, and other events... [scribes]: ASSISTANCE Re: [scribes]: ASSISTANCE... back to tablets [none] [scribes]: Re: scam on scribes email [scribes]: Vellum Re: [scribes]: Vellum Re: [scribes]: ASSISTANCE... back to tablets [scribes]: Re: ASSISTANCE Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question RE: [scribes]: Re: ASSISTANCE Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:40:10 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: [scribes]: DScriptorium http://www.byu.edu/~hurlbut/dscriptorium/ This site, the Digital Scriptorium, is out of Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City, UT. It has some nice links to other MS. sites that are worth checking out, such as: http://www.ulg.ac.be/libnet/enlumin/enl01.htm Manuscripts at the University of Liège in Belgium, just for starters. It's worth bookmarking and going back to! Enjoy! Oh, and BIG thanks to Judith from Trimaris for that absolutely FABULOUS Murthly Hours site. It's been added to my already monstrously huge Illumination bookmark file! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:51:42 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: BBM Yule, and other events... Greetings all, and merry merry.... :) Just wondered if anyone was planning on going to the Barony Beyond the Mountain's Yule event tomorrow -- myself and the crew of House Blackfletch will be attending, and I thought it would be great to meet some of the other scribes from the area (East Kingdom) there. (I'll be there with bells on... literally...). Also... The Proposed Canton of The Western Gate is in the planning phase of an event on April 4, 2002, in the general Huntington-Melville New York area (Long Island). I've been asked to teach a calligraphy class, and am willing to assist with basic questions of the like, but have emphasized as before that although I've been doing this for 16 years mundanely, each person will find their own level of comfort and expertise. I plan on guiding, not necessarily teaching -- I'd like to eventually throw together a book containing sample scraps of different papers, sample dots of paints, and the like. For display, pictures of the actual manuscript, and pictures of the modern hand of it for comparison and reference. The "class" would probably take place in the earlier hours of the event, if only because I don't want to be stuck at the calligraphy table 24/7 when I'd like to be able to assist on the archery field (as a marshal in training) at the same time (not literally, though the "pen is mightier than the sword..." *grin*). Insofar as the local classes go, so far it seems there's a good 4 people locally who are interested in learning calligraphy (I do illumination too), as well as at least one other further east, with the only thing remaining to be discussed being which day of the month to gather on. Same thing goes for the baronial A&S meetings, which are no longer being held at the Neighborhood House in Setauket (yes, I need to update my webpage). Most importantly, if the event in April does go through.... I'd love to arrange for a brief gathering before court or after dinner, for any scribe attending to bring samples of their work and swap "war stories". ;) It's not quite a scriptorium, but it would definitely give the beginners out here some inspiration! Just a little something to consider.... if everything goes as planned, and the event gets published, I'll holler on the list here. In the meantime, hope everyone has a safe weekend, and a wonderful holiday season. Thanks to everyone who provided the list of books.... I'll be adding them to my website soon, too. Cheers! ==-------> Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY PS: RE: The comment about not wanting to be stuck at the calligraphy table all day.... Don't get me wrong, I love C&I, but there's soooooo much more to do in the SCA, and I don't want to be pigeonholed into a category of solely a scribe. So much to learn (leatherwork, singing, more archery), so little time.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SCA Scribes Webring: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=thescascribesweb ICQ uin#: 40730792 AOL: kmcwhyte =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: victor abbas Subject: [scribes]: ASSISTANCE TEL: 27-72-353 8134 FAX: 27-82-256 4103 ATTN: EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SUBJECTS: INVESTMENT ASSISTANCE Dear Sir, It is with the utmost respect and confidential that l write this letter to you. l do recongnise the surprise this letter will bring to you, especially as it comes from a total stranger. My name is MR. VICTOR ABBAS, l got your contact details through a helpful assistant at the department of trade and lndustry. In 1997, the rebel of General Jonnas Savimbi commissioned my father as the head of the procurement unit for the purchase of arms/ammunition. my father was given the sum of THIRTY TWO MILLION United States Dollars (US$32 MILLION) for the purchase and shipment of arms into Angola from South Africa. The total sum was insured and eposited in the vault of a reputable self deposit/security bank in South Africa. The deposit was made easier for my father by a good friend of his who used to be a family frend when he was a special assistance to the ambassador of the republic of South Africa in my country (Angola). It was unfortunate, in the course of the negotiation for the arms deal my father died of a brief illness. He left a message for me and my sister about the deposit he made in my name, with an instruction for me to utilise this money wisely, as this was the only legacy he left for us. My Sister objected my father's will. Now with the consent of my sister, we finally want to transfer this money out South Africa. lam desperately in need of your assistance to move this money overseas for investment. 5% of this money will be mapped out to pay back any expenses that might be incured in the course of this transaction. Your benefit for your assistance to transfer this money into your private/company's acccount is 20%. Kindly note that this transaction is 100% risk free. Please contact me for further information on the above telephone/fax numbers. Your immense gratitude and assistance in this matter is greatly appreciated. Yours faithfully, VICTOR ABBAS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:02:50 -0400 From: "Martin Higgins" Subject: Re: [scribes]: ASSISTANCE... back to tablets that was weird. I wonder how easy it is for stuff like that to happen on this list? Oh well now I feel like I should add something useful... can't think of a thing hmmm... oh yeah, on the wax tablet theme, do you have to use only lamp black to colour it or would other black pigments work well? or is it even a good idea? sorry if I missed a few of the earlier posts, have had a lot going on here for a bit. Griet =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:57:09 -0800 From: "Buffy Hogan" Subject: [none] Hey Did anyone get the email about the arm deal? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:04:54 -0800 From: "Dr Donna DeBonis" Subject: [scribes]: Re: scam on scribes email I got this as a fax a few years ago. its a scam ! In service to the SCA Equestrian Dream, THL Donwenna **************************************************************************** ************ *Apprentice to Visc Sir Raphael the Rogue, OL, (sirrapheal@hotmail.com) *The Really New and Correct URL for SCA IKEQC : http://www.animalhospitalonmidway.com/scaikeqc_index.html Emprise of the Black Lion pictures http://mari.9v.com/emprise/ **************************************************************************** ****************** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buffy Hogan" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:57 PM > Hey Did anyone get the email about the arm deal? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 07:24:53 -0600 From: "Robert & Jane Malley" Subject: [scribes]: Vellum Greetings I am THL Jane Beaumont, Parchment Pursuivant to the Kingdom of Meridies. I am looking for a source for Vellum. I tried www.exoticasa.com, but the page is not there. Please send even the narrowest of leeds. In Service Jane Being normal is not necessarily a virtue. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:06:17 -0600 From: "Margareta vanden Velde" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Vellum Try Jesse Meyer Parchment Maker; his (her?) email is mctanner@pioneeris.net, works out of NY. Samples are sent free and prices are pretty good. Margareta vanden Velde Barony of Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Jane Malley" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 7:24 AM Subject: [scribes]: Vellum > Greetings > I am THL Jane Beaumont, Parchment Pursuivant to the Kingdom of Meridies. I > am looking for a source for Vellum. I tried www.exoticasa.com, but the > page is not there. Please send even the narrowest of leeds. > > In Service > Jane > > > Being normal is not necessarily a virtue. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 11:47:31 -0500 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: ASSISTANCE... back to tablets Griet, According to an article discussing ancient tablets, they say Orpiment (Arsenic Tri-sulfide) was added to make the wax more plastic for writing upon. I've seen other colors IN MANUSCRIPT ILLUMINATION for the wax. Straight up bees' wax will work if you color it with most any pigment that won't readily settle out of the fluid wax when you PAINT it into the recess, but adding enough pigment (the type with body rather than dye) to make the wax more plastic will make it easier to smooth after erasing or applying the initial wax coat. When you brush in the wax for the first time it may have holes, but you just smudge them down like you would after erasing. No big deal. The one caution is that if you add too much pigment body, the wax can become paste like when you try to smooth it. Just test it a little as you go by painting out a stroke and smudging it with the flat of your stylus. Otherwise, just put enough color to make it opaque. Caution: Do NOT use hard wax like paraffin! RanthulfR Martin Higgins wrote: > > that was weird. > > I wonder how easy it is for stuff like that to happen on this list? Oh well > > now I feel like I should add something useful... can't think of a thing > hmmm... > > oh yeah, on the wax tablet theme, do you have to use only lamp black to > colour it or would other black pigments work well? or is it even a good > idea? sorry if I missed a few of the earlier posts, have had a lot going on > here for a bit. > > Griet > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:33:34 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: [scribes]: Re: ASSISTANCE > Hey Did anyone get the email about the arm deal? Yeah, don't know how it got through to this list - I thought you had to s*bscribe to this list in order to receive mail from it. I understand it's a scam anyway, so it's best ignored............................ Christopher? Cystennin? How did this manage to come through? ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:42:04 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question > >From what I could tell in the enlarged version of the specific folio you listed, > and from what I have seen of this technique... "I" believe that what they mean > is that they used shell gold (probably with egg yolk as binder) to paint that > design on top of the burnished gold. I have seen pieces in the Visconti Hours > that show traces of this type of embellishment on the gilding using black ink or > paint, and in some instances, perhaps an umber paint. Oh, is THAT how that's done? I have long wondered....................fascinating! Most of us haven't > learned how to do it competently, I would guess, and that is why it hasn't been > used in the SCA yet. You could be one of the first people to try it if that is > your desire!! Mmmmmmmm, curious. I'd like to learn this myself, frankly. Does anyone know if the Gabriel Guild folks teach this technique at Pennsic? I'd love to watch it being done! > By the way, thanks for the new manuscript site... I love them to pieces!! grin> Oh, me too!! Just fabulous! This is about my favourite period in illumination, so it's a welcome bookmark to my already burgeoning bookmark file on illumination!! And I also have a whole box of floppies of downloaded images of MSS. from various sites, too, so...................heaven knows, I've got plenty to look at and plenty more to study! Oh, and just TRY typing "Illuminated Manuscripts" into Google.com's search engine and seeing what you get!! I spent hours last night just surfing through the various site hits it came up with and boy, that could keep you busy for a LONG time!! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:30:11 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: ASSISTANCE Don't know... how very weird. I have asked CT to look into it... It appears as though maybe we are cross-posted to a yahoo group again. Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: Sally Burnell [mailto:sburnell@raex.com] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 9:34 AM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: Re: ASSISTANCE > Hey Did anyone get the email about the arm deal? Yeah, don't know how it got through to this list - I thought you had to s*bscribe to this list in order to receive mail from it. I understand it's a scam anyway, so it's best ignored............................ Christopher? Cystennin? How did this manage to come through? ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:34:47 -0500 From: "Judith Maryse" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question Color me unobservant....I picked up my copy of "Golden Age" and couldn't believe how I'd missed it before.... I would guess that stamping is done on raised gilding, but what about painting? Could that be done on flat gilding? (I've done a _little_ flat gilding; bought some gesso tablets at Pennsic for raised but haven't been brave enough yet...you see where my motivation is!) Judith Trimaris PS: glad ya'll liked the site. I saw it on a costuming site where there was a question about this folio: http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/murthly/folios/F018v.htm The flagellator is wearing a sleeveless tunic. They were wondering if it was actually supposed to be sleeveless or if it was metophorical? >....The Golden Age of English >Manuscript Painting has several examples, and I believe you will spot >some in DeHammel's History Of Illuminated Manuscripts. Sometimes a >whole daiper pattern is created, and sometimes a dotted outline of the >gilded areas is all that is done. > >RanthulfR > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:39:56 -0500 From: Randy Asplund Subject: Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question Hi again, You can indeed use the same stamping tools to indent gold colored gouache on paper or flat gilding. The paper can be nice thick bristol or cheap thin calligraphy paper. It doesn't matter. The trick is to have a piece of shirt card type cardboard underneath (or some other semi compressible but stiff surface. The give of the cardboard allows the paper to indent. It is a neat trick on SCA scrolls, and will look really good, but I have no clue whether it was done in period or not. Could the sleeveless tunic be a sideless surcote or a cyclas? RanthulfR Judith Maryse wrote: > > Color me unobservant....I picked up my copy of "Golden Age" and couldn't > believe how I'd missed it before.... > I would guess that stamping is done on raised gilding, but what about > painting? Could that be done on flat gilding? (I've done a _little_ flat > gilding; bought some gesso tablets at Pennsic for raised but haven't been > brave enough yet...you see where my motivation is!) > > Judith > Trimaris > PS: glad ya'll liked the site. I saw it on a costuming site where there was > a question about this folio: > http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/murthly/folios/F018v.htm > The flagellator is wearing a sleeveless tunic. They were wondering if it was > actually supposed to be sleeveless or if it was metophorical? > > >....The Golden Age of English > >Manuscript Painting has several examples, and I believe you will spot > >some in DeHammel's History Of Illuminated Manuscripts. Sometimes a > >whole daiper pattern is created, and sometimes a dotted outline of the > >gilded areas is all that is done. > > > >RanthulfR > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. - -- VISIT RandyAsplund.com To see a Universe of art ranging from Magic: The Gathering to Star Trek and Medieval Manuscripts Randy Asplund (734) 663-0954 Science Fiction and Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr., Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:56 EST From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Murthly Hours question - --part1_4f.1590fd2c.294ea020_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never seen stamped gilding. I am now intrigued... What do you use to stamp gilded (or painted gold gouache) areas? Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_4f.1590fd2c.294ea020_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never seen stamped gilding.  I am now intrigued... What do you use to stamp gilded (or painted gold gouache) areas?


Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
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