From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #44 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 07 : Number 044 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: Vellum/parchment suppliers [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing Re: [scribes]: Vellum/parchment suppliers Re: [scribes]: Vellum & Introduction Re: [scribes]: Jeanne D'evreux et al [scribes]: Re:Vellum/parchment suppliers [scribes]: Reminder to scribes entering 12th night contest Re: [scribes]: Re:Vellum/parchment suppliers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:27:52 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Vellum/parchment suppliers Rick Cavasin is no longer producing at all - I asked him earlier this week. Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing This is the monthly mailing of the administrivia information for the scribes mailing list. [Last updated on: Thu Jul 8 21:26:10 PDT 1999] This is the scribes mailing list. It is open for discussion of scribal arts including illumination, calligraphy, paper making, etc. The posting address for scribes is "scribes@castle.org". To unsubscribe, send email to "majordomo@castle.org" with "unsubscribe scribes" in the body of the message. If you want to receive a digest version of this list, unsubscribe from scribes (see the instructions, above) and subscribe to scribes-digest instead. Problems and questions should be addressed to "scribes-owner@castle.org" as the list maintainer may or may not actually read the scribes mailing list. 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It is open for discussion of scribal arts including illumination, calligraphy, paper making, etc. The posting address for scribes (including the digest) is "scribes@castle.org". To unsubscribe, send email to "majordomo@castle.org" with "unsubscribe scribes-digest" in the body of the message. Problems and questions should be addressed to "scribes-owner@castle.org" as the list maintainer may or may not actually read the scribes mailing list. This mailing list is not an official list of the Society for Creative Anachronism, any College of Scribes, or the Barony of Calafia. Other SCA-related lists sponsored at castle.org are: scribes@castle.org antir_apprentices@castle.org antir_scribes@castle.org cal_cooking@castle.org caid_scribes@castle.org caid_heralds@castle.org caid_bluefeather@castle.org tanwayour@castle.org No spam is allowed on this list. Spammers will be deleted without warning. If you get this far in this message, there are two requests the list maintainer would make: 1. Please send a note of introduction to the scribes list. Say who you are, where you are, and what your scribal interests are. and 2. Please sign your notes to this list with your society name and branch, along with your mundane name and location. Enjoy! Your list maintainer is: Lord Christopher Thomas mka Lee Damon Calafia, Caid San Diego, CA =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:54:23 -0500 From: "E. Brown" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Vellum/parchment suppliers Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com wrote: > > Rick Cavasin is no longer producing at all - I asked him earlier this week. > > Tetchubah > He must be getting really tired of answering inquiries; I asked him this week too. :-) Disappointing! Regards, Genevieve la flechiere - -- Many people hear voices when no-one is there. Some of them are called mad and are shut up in rooms where they stare at the walls all day. Others are called writers and they do pretty much the same thing. - -Margaret Chittenden, writer =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:15:49 +1030 From: "Gareth & Riina" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Vellum & Introduction Hi there, Seeing as I have never posted to this list before, I had best introduce myself before I start talking about parchment and vellum... I am Lady Aoife ni Medb (mundanely Riina Stewart), I live in the Barony of Innilgard in Lochac (Adelaide, Australia), though I play mostly with the College of Blessed Herman the Cripple (Adelaide University). I am very new to scribing, though calligraphy and painting have been long time mundane hobbies of mine. I am interested in both calligraphy and illumination, and am currently in the process of learning some medieval hands, and practicing medieval styles before I move on to actually doing a scroll for someone. Right, now that's out of the way, on to the vellum thing! - - snip - > That's interesting, I'd heard (and read, IIRC) that the word parchment came from the name of the city of Pergamum {modernly, Bergama, Turkey} which was a center of parchment/vellum production in classical times. From what I can recall from a university subject I did a while ago on the development of writing it has been suggested that parchment/vellum (i.e. writing material made of treated animal skin) was "invented" in the second century B.C.E. in Pergamon when Ptolemy stopped exporting Papyrus from Egypt, and their library needed something to write on (this is from Pliny, I believe). Papyrus, however, remained the main writing material until the preservation process improved, at which point both parchment, and the codex book, became more popular. Apparently, (according to my lecturer at least), Vellum usually referred to a particularly fine form of parchment made from the skin of a young, or still born calf. This was a classics course, which focused more on the classical period than the middle ages, so this usage may have changed by the middle ages. Hopefully this helps Aoife ni Medb Innilgard, Lochac (Riina Stewart, Adelaide, Australia) =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:42:52 -0500 From: wyverns Subject: Re: [scribes]: Jeanne D'evreux et al I saw the Hours of Simon De Varie recently along with several other books. I definately recall not being particularly impressed. If I recall the reason correctly, it has several pairs of Master of Mary of Burgundy-like borders (the semi-realistic flowers on solid ground), not as well done as MofB or as much variety, and about the same size pages, but lots more pages, most of them just text and red capitols. The Bedford Hours version I have is a very thin paperback with just a few sample pages ans some samples of other works from the period for comparison, but what it has is very lovely, lots of large miniatures and borders, and I would love to find a facsimili version myself. Not familiar with the rest. Enid now of Calontir =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:14:09 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re:Vellum/parchment suppliers I found out a couple of months ago that vellum wouldn't be available from Rick Cavasin. I went in search of another supplier since what I had worked on previous to finding that source had been little more than rawhide. I recently received a piece from a different supplier. While the quality is not as good as what we are accustomed to from Rick .... Talas http://nt.bnt.com/talas/menu.html?category=148 proved to be very courteous to me as a first time customer and prompt in their delivery. The vellum will require a bit of time and effort to finish. It is a little thinner and more transparent than I like.... next time I'll ask for something a bit heavier now that I have a frame of reference. Hopes this helps :-) Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:23:03 -0800 From: Colleen /Celdae Anderson Subject: [scribes]: Reminder to scribes entering 12th night contest Please remember that you must let both me and Dame Tamlyn know that the scroll will be at 12th night. Tamlyn needs to know how much space she will need. I need to make sure we have seals and can get the scrolls signed. Also, all finished scrolls will then be delivered to their recipients afterward. Recipients that are present can pick up the scrolls at the end of the event. Otherwise we will see to shipping them. Scribes do not have to worry about shipping the scrolls, unless they know they live close to the recipient. If anyone has other arrangements, please let me know. YIS, Companion Celdae the Seeker Sable Sable An Tir Kingdom Scribe - -- Ask not what your country can do for you but what your country has done in your name. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:32:52 -0600 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re:Vellum/parchment suppliers I've been working on vellum from Talas. It's manuscript vellum, prepared on both sides. The book used a total of 11 large sheets, which varied from excellent to superb. I wasn't the buyer - this is a collaboration - so I don't know what it cost ready prepared, but it's well worth it! Corinna Midrealm - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: [scribes]: Re:Vellum/parchment suppliers > I found out a couple of months ago that vellum wouldn't be available from > Rick Cavasin. I went in search of another supplier since what I had worked on > previous to finding that source had been little more than rawhide. > > I recently received a piece from a different supplier. While the quality is > not as good as what we are accustomed to from Rick .... Talas > http://nt.bnt.com/talas/menu.html?category=148 > proved to be very courteous to me as a first time customer and prompt in > their delivery. The vellum will require a bit of time and effort to finish. > It is a little thinner and more transparent than I like.... next time I'll > ask for something a bit heavier now that I have a frame of reference. > > Hopes this helps :-) > > Eibhlin ni Chaoimh > AEthelmearc > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V7 #44 ****************************