From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #36 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, November 9 2001 Volume 07 : Number 036 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Do I have to start over? RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold [scribes]: Teaching white work RE: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? [scribes]: Another Example RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold Re: [scribes]: Another Example RE: [scribes]: Another Example [scribes]: Vellum newbie [scribes]: APOLOGY: [scribes]: Re: Teaching white work Re: [scribes]: Shell Gold [scribes]: important scribes-list information from postmaster@castle.org [scribes]: FROM MODERATOR: JESSICA WILBUR- please contact me or CT Re: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? Re: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? [scribes]: FROM MODERATOR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:13:25 EST From: Floriligeum@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? - --part1_bb.16887565.291c1735_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings scribes, I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the AoA I am working on. I am working on watercolor paper, I am using waterproof ink and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache). I finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves when my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the calligraphy section. I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am left with a golden haze over the word bestow. Can I scrape and paint over the golden haze or will that just make it a serious mess? I only have 2 days invested in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to scrap it, but I would rather not have to redraw the entire page. Maybe someday I will learn not to paint while my son is awake, but then I would get precious little done. What is a girl to do? Yours in service, Sarra the Lymner Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom MKA Sarah Dressler Sarra's Florilegium www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com - --part1_bb.16887565.291c1735_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings scribes,

I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the AoA I am working on.  I am working on watercolor paper, I am using waterproof ink and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache).  I finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves when my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the calligraphy section.  I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am left with a golden haze over the word bestow.  Can I scrape and paint over the golden haze or will that just make it a serious mess?  I only have 2 days invested in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to scrap it, but I would rather not have to redraw the entire page.

Maybe someday I will learn not to paint while my son is awake, but then I would get precious little done.  What is a girl to do?

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com
- --part1_bb.16887565.291c1735_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:51:19 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold Nice work Cystennin! I'm sure Zenobia is properly appreciative. Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:01:45 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: [scribes]: Teaching white work >>And on a similar note, a lot of folks have been bugging me to teach a class in Gothic whitework, seeing as how they seem to regard this as being my "specialty". I'd like to do this, but am lacking for some good ideas as to how to do this. Should I just paint some bars of blue and red a la "bar-and-ivy" style and then let folks try doing whitework, or what?<< You could do that, or simply draw up bars on paper and have them paint those too. That would also let them get a feel for the red and blue. >>Of course, I would show them how to do it, like how to get the paint consistency just right so that it works and such, but I wonder -- how do you teach something like that which is so tactile, at least to me? How do I explain how much pressure you apply to make the whitework nice and fine?<< For a beginning level class, you might want to have them use a crowquill nib pen to do the white lines rather than trying to paint them. Or do both - - first using the pen and then using a brush. With a crowquill, they'd get used to the way it should look, i.e. nice even white lines. Then they can attempt to do the same thing with a brush to see how it works differently. I personally cheat on most of my white work and use a technical pen loaded with white ink. Even if I'm painting, I use the same white ink because I like it's consistency better than gouache. Koh-i-Noor makes a white ink for their technical pens which is nice and opaque, and goes down with fair consistency. Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:11:10 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C16889.209ADCC2" - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16889.209ADCC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you should try to scrape around the word to clean up the gold haze.=20 The water color paper should be able to handle the abuse. Use a rounded scalpel blade and use a scraping-pulling motion. You may end up scraping up some of the INK in the letters as well. This is fine.=20 =20 Once all of the gold has been scraped free, burnish the paper before trying to touch up the letters. I would avoid using white paint unless you absolutely have to. Just try to use the black ink (with a fine brush) to fix up the letters. It is VERY hard to match up the white of the paper to a mix of gouache. It always ends up looking different. =20 Cystennin =20 PS: Is there anyway to use a drollery or some other amusing item to fix this up? Maybe a drollery of a small-boy-monster (monster legs, boy-torso) with a pail and mop... in the margin? These can look very nice when integrated into the vine work. Look at the Lutrell Psalter for inspiration. =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Floriligeum@aol.com [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:13 AM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? =20 Greetings scribes,=20 I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the AoA I am working on. I am working on watercolor paper, I am using waterproof ink and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache). I finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves when my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the calligraphy section. I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am left with a golden haze over the word bestow. Can I scrape and paint over the golden haze or will that just make it a serious mess? I only have 2 days invested in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to scrap it, but I would rather not have to redraw the entire page.=20 Maybe someday I will learn not to paint while my son is awake, but then I would get precious little done. What is a girl to do?=20 Yours in service,=20 Sarra the Lymner=20 Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom=20 MKA Sarah Dressler=20 Sarra's Florilegium =20 www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com=20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16889.209ADCC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think you = should try to scrape around the word to clean up the gold haze.

The water color paper should be = able to handle the abuse.  Use a rounded scalpel blade and use a = scraping-pulling motion. You may end up scraping up some of the INK in the letters as = well. This is fine.

 

Once all of the gold has been = scraped free, burnish the paper before trying to touch up the letters. I would avoid = using white paint unless you absolutely have to. Just try to use the black ink = (with a fine brush) to fix up the letters. It is VERY hard to match up the = white of the paper to a mix of gouache. It always ends up looking = different.

 

Cystennin

 

PS: Is there anyway to use a = drollery or some other amusing item to fix this up? Maybe a drollery of a = small-boy-monster (monster legs, boy-torso) with a pail and mop…  in the = margin? These can look very nice when integrated into the vine work. Look at the = Lutrell Psalter for inspiration.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Floriligeum@aol.com [mailto:Floriligeum@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November = 08, 2001 9:13 AM
To: = scribes@castle.org
Subject: [scribes]: Do I = have to start over?

 

Greetings = scribes,

I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the = AoA I am working on.  I am working on watercolor paper, I am using = waterproof ink and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache). =  I finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves = when my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the = calligraphy section.  I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am = left with a golden haze over the word bestow.  Can I scrape and paint = over the golden haze or will that just make it a serious mess?  I only have = 2 days invested in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to = scrap it, but I would rather not have to redraw the entire page.

Maybe someday I will learn not to paint while my son is awake, but then = I would get precious little done.  What is a girl to do?

Yours in service,

Sarra the Lymner

Caer Adamant (DE), East Kingdom
MKA Sarah Dressler
Sarra's = Florilegium
www.sarrasflorilegium.knownworldweb.com

=00 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16889.209ADCC2-- - --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:18:25 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: [scribes]: Another Example This is the same piece, but I took the picture with the reflection from the sun on it... it definitely shows what real gold can do to a scroll! http://communities.msn.com/cystennin/photos1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&Photo ID=4 - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Stoner [mailto:kenstone@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:11 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold I just finished a piece in this style: http://communities.msn.com/cystennin/photos1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&Photo ID=3 How did I do it? Pretty simple really: 1) The letters are done in white gouache, and raised gesso gilding. 1.5) The areas that looked like raised gilding (the shiny ones), are. 2) I drew out all of the acanthus work completely, in advance. 3) I went over all of the acanthus work in masking fluid. 4) I completely painted the entire border, including the areas in MF, in blue. 5) I then used an eraser to lightly lift away the areas in MF. 6) I then redrafted the lines in my acanthus work, as needed. 7) I then filled in the acanthus work with shell gold. 8) I used the natural black of the paper to do my shading. 9) I did not add any binder to the gold at all. - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Nolan/Kara Westfall [mailto:daffyd@worldpath.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:28 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Shell Gold This probably goes firmly into the YMMV category--when I do this style, I don't need to worry about the binder in the blue, because the majority of the gold never goes onto that area. The acanthus leaves are left unpainted, so I'm actually doing the gold on the black paper or vellum. I tried using a brush and quill for the gold work, but found that a bowl pointed steel nib was far and away faster and got better results. Of course, I was using gold gouache, so real gold may not work as well this way, I've only ever used shell gold in a brause nib for calligraphy. Chiara Greetings, Corinna Taylor/Al Frank! You wrote: - -=>Chiara, just two more points. - -=>First, it will help a lot if the ultramarine being painted onto is - -=>waterproof, or at least reasonably water resistant. Either an egg binder - -=>(glair or yolk) with powdered pigment, or glair added to gouache or - -=>watercolour, will help. - -=>Second, it might be easier to apply the gold with a fine brush rather than a - -=>pen. And a quill will work better than a steel nib. - -=>Corinna - -=>Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:15:01 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold I like it! You are right about the letters... I am pretty sure they were done in silver and gold. I opted to use permanent white instead. Palladium leaf was too expensive, and silver leaf tarnishes up pretty quick up here... sooo... I did some of it in raised gilging and the rest in permanent white. Your border is absolutely marvelous. Very nice indeed! - -----Original Message----- From: Margareta vanden Velde [mailto:margareta@skraeling.sca.org] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:50 AM To: Scribes' list Subject: Re: [scribes]: Shell Gold Hello! I also did a piece in this style last year, but done a bit differently. I feel it turned out pretty well though. I drew everything in with pencil, then coloured in the gold using (I admit it) gold gouache, then coloured in the blue all around it (no masking fluid) and then retouched up the gold gouache. I didn't find painting the blue areas to be that onerous. The callig I did with a mixture of silver ink and white gouache (because it looked silvery in the book, yet my ink was not opaque enough to cover black paper) done with a quill pen. I had to dip a LOT (like 3 times per letter) but it did produce some of the nicest callig I'd done to that point. It's a lot like the rest, it can be seen at www.magma.ca/~grierson/scroll_gallery/Marcellus.JPG (it is 152 k) Margareta vanden Velde Barony of Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Stoner" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: RE: [scribes]: Shell Gold > I just finished a piece in this style: > > http://communities.msn.com/cystennin/photos1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&Photo > ID=3 > > How did I do it? Pretty simple really: > 1) The letters are done in white gouache, and raised gesso gilding. > 1.5) The areas that looked like raised gilding (the shiny ones), are. > 2) I drew out all of the acanthus work completely, in advance. > 3) I went over all of the acanthus work in masking fluid. > 4) I completely painted the entire border, including the areas in MF, in > blue. > 5) I then used an eraser to lightly lift away the areas in MF. > 6) I then redrafted the lines in my acanthus work, as needed. > 7) I then filled in the acanthus work with shell gold. > 8) I used the natural black of the paper to do my shading. > 9) I did not add any binder to the gold at all. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Nolan/Kara Westfall [mailto:daffyd@worldpath.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 8:28 PM > To: scribes@castle.org > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Shell Gold > > This probably goes firmly into the YMMV category--when I do this style, > I don't need to worry about the binder in the blue, because the majority > of the gold never goes onto that area. The acanthus leaves are left > unpainted, > so I'm actually doing the gold on the black paper or vellum. > I tried using a brush and quill for the gold work, but found that a bowl > pointed > steel nib was far and away faster and got better results. Of course, I > was > using > gold gouache, so real gold may not work as well this way, I've only ever > used > shell gold in a brause nib for calligraphy. > > Chiara > > > Greetings, Corinna Taylor/Al Frank! You wrote: > -=>Chiara, just two more points. > -=>First, it will help a lot if the ultramarine being painted onto is > -=>waterproof, or at least reasonably water resistant. Either an egg > binder > -=>(glair or yolk) with powdered pigment, or glair added to gouache or > -=>watercolour, will help. > -=>Second, it might be easier to apply the gold with a fine brush rather > than > a > -=>pen. And a quill will work better than a steel nib. > > -=>Corinna > -=>Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:25:15 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Another Example >>This is the same piece, but I took the picture with the reflection from the sun on it... it definitely shows what real gold can do to a scroll!<< Yep - that's why they called it "illumination". Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:32:05 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Another Example BTW, Congratulations on beating Watt Kidman. I was laughing my ass off reading the transcript... "You can't argue both sides Mr. Kidman!" *Laugh*! Keep your chin up with the whole AnTir thing also... My gut tells me that the problems up here are going to take care of themselves pretty quick. It will be kind of fun to compare notes with you when it is all said and done... - Cystennin PS: I am looking for work. No anyone who needs an OLAP expert? - -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com [mailto:Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 11:25 AM To: Ken Stoner Cc: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Another Example >>This is the same piece, but I took the picture with the reflection from the sun on it... it definitely shows what real gold can do to a scroll!<< Yep - that's why they called it "illumination". Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:55:30 -0600 From: Joy Kingsolver Subject: [scribes]: Vellum newbie Dear List, First, a note to Cystennin--I'm amazed & impressed by your picture. Really beautiful work! A question: I've just received my first-ever piece of vellum. It's to learn on, only 5" x 7", and I'm looking at it with excitement and trepidation. ("now what do I do?") I had a chance to talk briefly with a sofer a couple of weeks ago, and he told me that some kinds of vellum needed to be pounced & some did not. How can I tell? And assuming that I'll need to buy pounce eventually, do I buy the ingredients separately or does someone sell it already mixed? Many thanks for your help. Joy Kingsolver Chicago =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:43:19 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: [scribes]: APOLOGY: I mistakenly sent a letter intended for Tetchubah to the entire scribes list. Please accept my apologies for the wide distribution... Having been on e-mail for almost 20 years now (I was on ARPA-net) you might think that I would know better by now... Cystennin the Embarrassed - =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:56:33 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: Teaching white work I've taught this a couple of times and I've taken whitework classes from quite a few scribes. The amazing thing is that despite there being a zillion ways to do whitework, it all comes out looking good. :-) Teach how you do it, and be prepared to offer alternative suggestions for those who are having trouble. You might want to have both lines and a couple of capital letters for folks to try whitework on. Some people find lines easy, some think letters are easier. I always use glair in my under layer of paint to keep it from mixing in with the white paint easily. This allows me to get crisper lines. I lightly pencil my designs before I paint them. It increases my confidence when I go in to paint them. Once the paint is dry the pencil lines erase right off. Any other silly scribal tricks for whitework?? :-) Eibhlin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:06:07 -0800 From: Karen Williams Subject: Re: [scribes]: Shell Gold Randy Asplund wrote: > > Cystennin , that is one really beautiful piece! Well done. I wish more > people would post URLs to samples of their work. If you would like to see examples of work done by scribes in the West, look at http://history.westkingdom.org/Scrolls/index.htm. Some of mine are on there, including the first one I ever did, and the most recent one I did. (I certainly hope there's a noticeable improvement.) Branwen ferch Emrys - -- Karen Williams branwen@ix.netcom.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:36:34 -0800 From: Lee Damon Subject: [scribes]: important scribes-list information from postmaster@castle.org I would like to remind everyone that forwarding this list from one account to another causes all kinds of grief when mail starts bouncing. I can't track down where the mail is going that causes the bounce. 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Jeanne Dyfrigi << I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the AoA I am working on. I am working on watercolor paper, I am using waterproof ink and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache). I finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves when my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the calligraphy section. I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am left with a golden haze over the word bestow. Can I scrape and paint over the golden haze or will that just make it a serious mess? I only have 2 days invested in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to scrap it, but I would rather not have to redraw the entire page. >> =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:23:41 -0600 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? It may not be authentically medieval, but I can generally solve this kind of problem with an electric eraser using a #73 white for pencil strip. Corinna - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Do I have to start over? > In a message dated 11/8/01 10:14:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, > Floriligeum@aol.com writes: > > I had this sort of thing happen once and, since I was working with Celtic > callig, decided to paint gold heavily around the letter, then outline the > square in black. I then did the same thing to a few other letters in the > script so it looked like t was on purpose. It turned out beautifuly, if not > particularly period, and now I do this purposely on many of my scrolls. > Jeanne Dyfrigi > << > I hope that someone can help decide whether or not I have to scrap the AoA I > am working on. I am working on watercolor paper, I am using waterproof ink > and gouache (the issue right now is with the Schminke gold gouache). I > finished the calligraphy last night and I was painting the gold leaves when > my son bumped my elbow & I dropped my brush in the middle of the calligraphy > section. I did manage to blot up most of the gold paint, but I am left with > a golden haze over the word bestow. Can I scrape and paint over the golden > haze or will that just make it a serious mess? I only have 2 days invested > in this one so far, so I won't be heart broken if I have to scrap it, but I > would rather not have to redraw the entire page. >> > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. 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