From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V7 #25 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, October 13 2001 Volume 07 : Number 025 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: FROM MODERATOR: current net hoaxes Re: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? (LONG) Re: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? (LONG) [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? [scribes]: Re: Acid Chemistry? [scribes]: From the Kingdom Scribe [scribes]: Re: [Northern] From the Kingdom Scribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:42:25 -0500 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: FROM MODERATOR: current net hoaxes - --=====================_82541488==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/rumors.htm a more comprehensive site that lists lots of these and identifies online hoaxes, rumors and truths..... At 03:06 PM 10/11/2001 -0700, Ken Stoner wrote: >Just to let you all know, > There is a particularly nasty little set of urban legends > clogging up network traffic. > One is about not going to the mall on Oct 31st. Here is a link > about the first one: >http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blmall-terror.htm > > DO NOT FORWARD THESE TO THE SCRIBES LIST. They are urban legends > and hoaxes. > >Regards, > Kenneth Stoner >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. - --=====================_82541488==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/rumors.htm

a more comprehensive site that lists lots of these and identifies online hoaxes, rumors and truths.....

At 03:06 PM 10/11/2001 -0700, Ken Stoner wrote:
Just to let you all know,
        There is a particularly nasty little set of urban legends clogging up network traffic.
        One is about not going to the mall on Oct 31st. Here is a link about the first one:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blmall-terror.htm

        DO NOT FORWARD THESE TO THE SCRIBES LIST. They are urban legends and hoaxes.

Regards,
        Kenneth Stoner
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- --=====================_82541488==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:24:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? (LONG) On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Catie Helm-Clark wrote: > > In synthetic ultramarine, the ratio of sodium to calcium is 1:1. In nature > it can vary a fair bit. Also, the synthetic has a fixed amount of sulfur, > whereas in nature, lazurite always carries a little chlorine as a substitution > in the sulfur sites. But I'm pretty sure it's the pyrite that makes the real > stuff look so good, since proper levigation should remove the calcite from > the lazurite, just like proper levigation removes the calcite impurities > from azurite. The synthetic stuff is too damn uniform too, in comparison > to the real stuff - which will end up having a range of particle sizes, which > increases light diffraction vs. the synthetic stuff. So I think it's a combination > of these 3 things, ie pyrite, variable chemistry and variable particles size > which leads to the synthetic to look dull next to its country cousin... > > I'll go back to hiding under a rock now. > ttfn, Therasia's Evil Twin So, for those of us who used up their yearly allotment of scribal play money back in June, is there a good way to make ultramarine paint look more like real lapis? Add a touch of gold paint and maybe a little bit of pumice, or something like that? Margaret FitzWilliam =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:52:31 -0500 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? (LONG) Daniel Smith Art Suppy in Seattle (www.danielsmith.com ) carries genuine lapis watercolours. It's not the best quality, rather grayish, but if you add some ultramarine it should look pretty good. It's about $25 per tube. It has a very faint hint of glimmer, which could be duplicated in gouache by adding a bit of powdered mica, available from Paper & Ink books. Corinna Midrealm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? (L > > > So, for those of us who used up their yearly allotment of scribal play > money back in June, is there a good way to make ultramarine paint look > more like real lapis? Add a touch of gold paint and maybe a little bit of > pumice, or something like that? > > Margaret FitzWilliam > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:14:51 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re:Ultramarine blue? In a message dated 10/12/2001 10:26:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes: > So, for those of us who used up their yearly allotment of scribal play > money back in June, is there a good way to make ultramarine paint look > more like real lapis? Add a touch of gold paint and maybe a little bit of > pumice, or something like that? Master John carries the real thing. It's not expensive. Make sure you order the dark blue, not the gray blue. If you're just working from tube paints. I wouldn't worry about trying to put texture into it. Reeve's Gouache is a pretty close match color wise. I add a bit of lamp black to regular Windsor Newton to tone it down a bit when I use it. Some gold pigments will show up, when mixed in with the blue, some won't. If you do have one that works, be careful not to put too much in. Eibhlin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:57:52 -0600 From: Catie Helm-Clark Subject: [scribes]: Re: Acid Chemistry? Ken Stoner wrote: > I am trying to follow all of the chemistry below, please forgive my ignorance... > But isn't HCl acid formed by the reaction of Vinegar and Salt? This is the solution that I use for pickeling my jewlery, and I always thought it was HCl... > For that matter, isn't Acetic acid just vinegar? > Anyways, I am reminded that Cennini wants us to make a "plastic" with Beeswax and Lye. I thought that Lye was a Base, but I can't really remember. He reccomends this as a way to get the 'Blue' out of your lapis without a lot of pain. What is the chemistry between the Calcite and the Base? > Ken S. these are good questions, Ken, and unfortuneately you've managed to stumble into the land of differing "jargon" as to what's and acid and a base, which is highly variable be field and by when the terms were being used. white vinegar is dilute acetic acid of low purity ie, CH3COOH + H2O plus any random ions in the H2O Pure acetic acid will knock you over, make your eyes sting and water, and clear your sinuses out for a week. It's been so many years since I've thought about jewelry, that I've forgotten what pickling is for. The solution you discribed would not "create" HCL, though it would create a dilute acid solution with the potential ingredients of several acids. As far as acidic vs. basic is concerned for rocks, it has to do with whether a rock would be reduced or oxidized in a furnace. It's probably better not to use the pyrometalurgy definitions of acid and base when it comes to talking about minerals used in pigments. It would likely be better to think of rocks and minerals by how easy they are dissolved, and by which solutes. Clays like terre vert dissolve readily in water. Carbonates like azurite and malachite dissolve readily in mild and/or dilute acids like dilute HCl and acetic acid. Lazurite isn't going to dissolve in anything less than full strength nitric acid or hydrofluoric acid. The lye attacks impurities through the process of saponification, to which calcite is more susceptible than azurite or lazurite. This is why levigation using any good soap should work - the crude gets caught in the "soap" which gets poured off, leaving less crudy stuff behind. Inpurites subject to saponification include limonites, clays, and other "hydrous"minerals of higher solubility - ie all the minerals that make "dirt" (including marly calcite...) Cennini's lye plus beeswax is actually a very crude and uncured soap. If he had bothered to cook his soap properly, he could have achieved the same chemical result with the lazurite AND had a nice scented by-product soap to sell off to neighboring housewives... ;-) hope this makes things a little clearer ttfn, Therasia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:39:53 -0700 From: Colleen /Celdae Anderson Subject: [scribes]: From the Kingdom Scribe Dear Populace, It is your responsibilty to keep the Kingdom Scribe's office up to date with any changes in address, email or other contact information--if you wish to ever receive a scroll. I will not assign a scroll if I cannot first contact that recipient. I will not have my scribes wasting their time doing scrolls for people who no longer play or exist. So please, if you've asked for a scroll from any time since dirt was young until the present, make sure I have your current information. And if you know your scroll has been assigned and your information has changed, we still need it. After a few days, if you do not see this on the Steppes/steps would someone please post it there. In Service, Companion Celdae the Seeker Sable Sable An Tir Kingdom Scribe - -- Ask not what your country can do for you but what your country has done in your name. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:43:26 -0700 From: Valkyrie Subject: [scribes]: Re: [Northern] From the Kingdom Scribe I'll resend my info just in case Cerridwen Maelwedd/ Diana Whitwick valkyrie@direct.ca 11075 Charles Drive Prince George BC V2N 6V8 250-963-9648 AoA 4th of Oct. XXXll Prince Albrecht & Princess Ericka King Svene and Queen Signe Gds 13th Jan 2001 King Davin & Queen Groa Gds 4th Aug 2001 King Aveloc & Queen Maliqua Bright Blessings In Merry Service Cerridwen >Dear Populace, > >It is your responsibilty to keep the Kingdom Scribe's office up to date >with any changes in address, email or other contact information--if you >wish to ever receive a scroll. > >I will not assign a scroll if I cannot first contact that recipient. I >will not have my scribes wasting their time doing scrolls for people who >no longer play or exist. So please, if you've asked for a scroll from >any time since dirt was young until the present, make sure I have your >current information. > >And if you know your scroll has been assigned and your information has >changed, we still need it. > >After a few days, if you do not see this on the Steppes/steps would >someone please post it there. > >In Service, > >Companion Celdae the Seeker >Sable Sable An Tir >Kingdom Scribe > >-- >Ask not what your country can do for you >but what your country has done in your name. > > >---- >Final Principality Poll coming soon. Get your SCA membership now if you >want to be on the mailing list. ---{---{---{@ @}---}---}--- "The warrior woman knows when to fight like a lion.... 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