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 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
 Re: [scribes]: other art lists
 Re: [scribes]: Baronial Reply (formerly 'Burnout and Teaching')
 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
 Re: [scribes]: Burnout & Teaching (formerly 'Head Hurts')
 Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please
 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
 Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please
 Re: [scribes]: Lukas Paints
 Re: [scribes]: Lukas Paints
 Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please
 RE: [scribes]: gold leaf help please
 [scribes]: Re: gold leaf help please
 [scribes]: Re: Burnout & Teaching
 [scribes]: Re:Simple Carrier
 Re: [scribes]: other art lists
 Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:59:43 -0300
From: "Martin Higgins" <martin.mandy@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

> > I feel for you.... it seems every scribe is doomed to have a cat and
with
> > that..misshaps.
> those are not mishaps.... they are mere style adjustments
> alex


 LOLOL... I like that one <G>
Griet

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:01:57 -0300
From: "Martin Higgins" <martin.mandy@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: other art lists

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-BINDERS

Griet

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:47:11 EDT
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Baronial Reply (formerly 'Burnout and Teaching')

Just wanted to clarify something:

His Excellency of An Dubhaigheainn has contacted me by e-mail tonight, just 
after I sent out the last message, stating that someone from this list 
forwarded on the letters I had written up, and has addressed the situation 
with me.
I will be speaking to both him and Pete (seneschal) and any other involved 
parties at Thursday's business meeting regarding what to do with the scrolls.

As before, I still believe Petris to be good-natured in suggesting the 
scrolls to me, however as much as I want to help with these assignments, I 
need a break. Mentally, I did balk, and I thought I had clarified my 
availability, despite interest in the non-SCAdian scrolls. The OTC's were a 
goof - they were OBT's, which I spoke to Duchess Katherine about; that too 
will be brought up at the meeting.

While it was not my intent to make *too* much noise over the issue, I still 
stand clear on needing time for myself, and do not know Petris well enough to 
be able to discern whether or not he meant for myself in particular to do 
those assignments, or any local scribe who was available. Which is yet 
another reason why I contacted Katherine. 
It's entirely possible that someone else may be able to assist me.

Either way, there are still the issues I wish to make clear.... Time, 
availability, and interest. Only one of the three is there (interest), and if 
I cannot do something right now, then I will do my best to either find 
someone else who can, or, as Petris suggested, it can wait. I make no 
guarantees of time if I take the scrolls.... but it is overwhelming to bring 
up 4 potential scrolls at the same time, without getting an idea of what a 
scribe's schedule is like at the same time. 

Plus it's too easy to get the idea that I'm being taken advantage of, when I 
am still recovering from a pair of scrolls with high amounts of effort put 
into them. It's a fault of mine; give me plenty of time, and I put tons of 
effort into it. Ask for it yesterday, and you get what I can afford.
**Petris did not ask for it yesterday, which is great.**

The question becomes, however, how long can this wait with the other things I 
already have planned out, on top of a 'scribal vacation' ? Hopefully these 
questions will be resolved at the meeting in-person on Thurs, without 
ruffling too many duck-feathers. 

All I know right now is that once again I am tired, and in need of an ale and 
some rest.

- --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East)
E.Frank, Long Island NY



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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:45:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

Yeah, the first peerage scroll I ever did ended up with little pink paw
prints all over it in much the same way.  Although they didn't dump the
mix water *onto* the scroll, walking through the puddle and then across
the scroll was not a good thing.  That's also when I discovered that the
nice red ink I was using wasn't what you'd call at all waterproof...

But then again, cats are *nothing* compared to interested kids...

Graidhne

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Ken Stoner wrote:

> Yes,
> 	They are doomed. There name is MUD. They will be lucky if I
> don't pick the flesh off their bones with a fondue fork, after their
> little stunt last night! I am not even going to feel guilty about taking
> to the VET next week for their flea dipping. In fact, I am going to make
> fun of them, all the way there and back!
> 	One of them decided that my mix-water jar offended him, and
> knocked it over... right onto the scroll I was working on. It is,
> needless to say, completely RUINED. *sigh*
> 
> 	Just thought I would share my pain a little.
> 
> 	Cystennin, Erstwhile Cat owner
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:09:38 -0300
From: "Martin Higgins" <martin.mandy@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

> Just like those little "love gifts"
> my kitties used to leave on our front porch when they'd been out hunting!!
> <laugh>

 We call those rent <G>
Griet

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:37:07 -0400
From: "Sally Burnell" <sburnell@raex.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

> Yes,
> They are doomed. There name is MUD. They will be lucky if I
> don't pick the flesh off their bones with a fondue fork, after their
> little stunt last night! I am not even going to feel guilty about taking
> to the VET next week for their flea dipping. In fact, I am going to make
> fun of them, all the way there and back!
> One of them decided that my mix-water jar offended him, and
> knocked it over... right onto the scroll I was working on. It is,
> needless to say, completely RUINED. *sigh*

Dear Cystennin,

     At least you can HAVE cats! There isn't a rental unit where I live that
will allow pets of any sort, period, end of discussion. College town, ya
know what I mean? The landlords and ladies here just don't want to deal with
the even remote possibility of some college kid having a pet and then not
being responsible enough to take care of it, so in this town, if you've
gotta rent like me, pets are verboten, period.

     If only I could afford real estate........................a house of my
own..............where I could have cats to my heart's
content..................AND a washing machine and dryer so I don't have to
spend those long agonising evenings in the local laundromat waiting, and
waiting, and waiting, just to use a lousy washer and/or dryer when I could
be home doing scrolls!

     Hrmph! I hate renting, except for the one advantage that when something
breaks around here, the landlord has to fix it and I don't have to pay for
it! And neither do I have to mow the lawn - BUT I do have to shovel snow in
the winter months, but lately I've reminded the kids in the other apartments
here in this house that I am old enough to be their mother, and I MEAN IT!!
<laugh> That usually gets the hint across that I'd rather THEY shovel!!
Heck, they're half my age!! <g>

     But to be able to have a nice soft kitty to purr and to keep me company
when I get lonely in this cramped and tiny
apartment...................(sigh) I'd even tolerate the occasional knocking
over of things, like I once did when I was still living at home with my mom
and our kitties that we had back then. She's still got an adorable kitty, a
longhaired black male kitty who is spoiled rotten and actually lets me pet
him now!

     (I think that's because last year when Ma was very ill and in the
hospital for a good long while, I had to feed the little beast and I think
he began to associate me with food, so he kinda likes me now and actually
lets me pet him and even brush his soft fuzzy black fur! He used to be so
aloof that he wouldn't even let me pet him and would jump off the sofa if I
sat down next to him!)

     Maybe someday I'll be able to live someplace where I can have a kitty
of my own....for now I just go over to my mom's when I really need a "kitty
fix".

     So go easy on the kitties, Cystennin! It's their funny little way of
showing you that they love you!! Honest! Just like those little "love gifts"
my kitties used to leave on our front porch when they'd been out hunting!!
<laugh>

~Saradwen the cat deprived......................(sigh)
  Midrealm

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" <hughesjp@fyi.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Burnout & Teaching (formerly 'Head Hurts')

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 KMcWhyte@aol.com wrote:

> End result: Meetings are thus far 1x a month (1st Monday) at a location 1 hr 
> east of my home here on Long Island (I live on the western border of the 
> barony, closer to Ostgardr). Last night it was also brought to my attention 
> that another site may be offered in Smithtown, somewhat closer (40 minutes 
> instead of 60) to my home, for a possibility of 2 meetings a month. What was 
> originally supposed to be a scriptorium is merged with the A&S meetings due 
> to low attendance; local politics being what they are has pushed some people 
> away, while silly people like me just had to learn for ourselves what the 
> problems were, firsthand, if any.
> Plus the location of the first meeting isn't quite so near to any largely 
> populated area out in the 'burbs.


I think I solved this one by just letting people know that my house is
open for scribes to come and work once or twice a week.  Our problem with
the local scribes guild was that it meets once a month in a
non-child-friendly house, and sitters aren't always an option for my
two.  With get-togethers here, the kids are safe (as is everyone else's
home;-) and I have a scheduled time to actually be working on stuff every
week.  I am really bad at working by myself; somehow it's just too easy to
sit down and put your feet up once the kids are in bed instead of working
on the scroll.  Right now we've got some new calligraphers that are really
fast track!  I'm proud to say I helped drag Ragnar kicking and screaming
into this new obsession, and he's doing wonderful work!  And of the three
scrolls that I accepted figuring I was probably going to do at least two
of them for last week-end's event, I only got to do one!  Hey!  The
sharing is as much fun as the scribing!

Graidhne

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:12:52 -0500
From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" <uncial@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please

Greetings Gwendoline,

A gilder's pad, or cushion, is for laying out the leaves of gold to cut and
work with.  It's about 8x8", a piece of wood upholstered with suede,
Ultrasuede, leather or some such over about an inch thick padding and
tacked/nailed/stapled in place.  It's easy enough to make your own.  Mine is
homemade and the cover fabric is brushed denim.

A gilder's knife is specifically for cutting the loose leaf gold when it's
on the cushion.  If you don't want to pay for one specially made, any
straight-bladed knife long enough for the job will work, with the edge
ground flat so it can't cut the cushion.  It's pressed onto the gold and
breaks it apart with a sort of slight wiggling motion.

Corinna


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From: "Gwendoline Rosamond" <dameg@mediaone.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [scribes]: gold leaf help please


> Greetings,
>
> What is a gilding pad, and a gilders knife?  Where can one get said tools?
>
> Cheers,
> Gwendoline
>
> At 10:44 AM 10/2/2001 -0700, Ken Stoner wrote:
> >Working with loose-leaf gold takes practice, but I feel it is worth the
> >effort.
> >I no longer even use patent-gold at all, to be honest. I have a lot more
> >luck getting the gold to stick when it is loose, than I have ever had
> >with Patent.
> >
> >I use a gilding pad and a gilders knife to cut the loose leaf into about
> >16 small pieces. Instead of using a guilders tip, which I think are
> >clumsy and useless for most small work, I just use a pair of electronics
> >tweezers to move my gold off the pad and into position.
> >
> >The results after burnishing are worth every second of hassle.
> >
> >just keep at it, keep practicing.
> >                 Cystennin
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:42:18 -0700
From: Karen Williams <branwen21@home.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

Martin Higgins wrote:
> 
> I feel for you.... it seems every scribe is doomed to have a cat and with
> that..misshaps.

I have turtles now, and oddly enough they never ruin my scrolls.

Branwen

- --
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branwen@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:49:41 -0500
From: Gwendoline Rosamond <dameg@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please

Greetings,

Thank you to everyone who posted such good descriptions!  No wonder I was 
having so much trouble with the wretched leaf.  Brass is no problem but 
that gold was a mess!

So, next question is there a particular type of tweeser that people 
recommend?  I personally hate the ones I have at the moment but haven't 
found any yet that seem much better.

Cheers,
Gwendoline

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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:19:14 -0500
From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" <uncial@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lukas Paints

Two other low-priced sources for paints:

Jerry's Catalog
aka Jerry's Artarama
www.jerryscatalog.com
1-800-U-ARTIST

Cheap Joe's Art Stuff
www.cheapjoes.com
1-800-227-2788

Corinna
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From: "Helen Schultz" <meisterin@comteck.com>
To: "Scribe's List" <scribes@castle.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:31 PM
Subject: [scribes]: Lukas Paints


> Greetings all.
>
> I just got my ASW (Art Supply Warehouse) catalog and they are offering
Lukas
> Gouaches at $2.99 a tube (20ml tubes)... best price I've ever seen for
gouaches.
> Does anyone have experience with this brand??  Just wondering.  Might be
> something for fledgling scribes to try.
>
> ASW also has the best prices I've ever seen for Windsor & Newton gouaches
($4.78
> for what is normally $7.35 elsewhere).  They can also be reached on-line
at
> http://www.aswexpress.com  give them a try.  They offer the W&N 10-tube
> introductory box for $46.87 (retails at $69.95 they say).
>
> Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL
> Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
> Middle Kingdom
> http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:00:19 -0500
From: Greg Young/Jocelyn Wirth <excalibr@gatewest.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lukas Paints

>Greetings all.
>
>I just got my ASW (Art Supply Warehouse) catalog and they are offering Lukas
>Gouaches at $2.99 a tube (20ml tubes)... best price I've ever seen for
>gouaches.
>Does anyone have experience with this brand??  Just wondering.  Might be
>something for fledgling scribes to try.

The first gouaches I ever bought were Lukas (some tubes even before I
bought my box of Reeves Gouache, which I also like). I like them and have
about 20 different tubes or so right now.  My only problem with them is
that I tend to  put them on the page too thick, but that's entirely my own
fault (I've only been doing this since March).  Here, in Canada, the tubes
run about $5.45 or so each.

The tubes that we can get in Canada have the health label on them, however
there is no pigment or lightfastness information.  I can't remember if
there is a Lukas website with this information or not. (If your tubes have
pigment info, would you be so kind as to share?)

Hope this helps.

Ainesleah

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:49:09 -0500
From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" <uncial@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please

Hello again, Gwendoline,

Any kind of tweezers that you're comfortable with is fine, as long as
they're reasonably precise.  Sometimes I use small locking forceps so I
don't let go by accident.  Keep the tips clean, avoiding touching them with
your fingers, and clean them with acetone at the first sign of gold
sticking.

Alternatives to tweezer include a scratch knife or Xacto knife with a touch
of spit, or a fingertip that's been rubbed on your nose first to pick up
some skin oil.  The finger is the way I was taught, but it's a major bother
for me to keep the edges of the gold I've touched off the gessoed area.  I
find it wasteful.

"Secreta: Three methods of appying gold leaf" is an excellent instruction
book.  The photographs show the handling of the gold in great detail.  I
can't remember the author, but John Neal or Paper & Ink Books should have it
for around $15.00.

Corinna

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From: "Gwendoline Rosamond" <dameg@mediaone.net>
To: <scribes@castle.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please


> Greetings,
>
> Thank you to everyone who posted such good descriptions!  No wonder I was
> having so much trouble with the wretched leaf.  Brass is no problem but
> that gold was a mess!
>
> So, next question is there a particular type of tweeser that people
> recommend?  I personally hate the ones I have at the moment but haven't
> found any yet that seem much better.
>
> Cheers,
> Gwendoline
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:50:59 -0700
From: "Ken Stoner" <kenstone@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: gold leaf help please

YES YES YES!

Go to a good electronic supply store and buy yourself a pair of
electronics repair tweezers. High tensile strength tungsten steel.

DO NOT BUY the tweezers that you can get at the grocery store. I hate
those. I can;t exactly say why. Maybe it is because I am a NASA
certified micro-miniature repair technician and just have a preference
for surgical steel instruments.

I don't like the tweezers with the flat heads on them at all.  They
don't seem to grip the gold at all, unless you use ALOT of finger
pressure, whereas needle tip tweezers like we use in Electronics allow
you to use just enough pressure to get the job done without getting
cramps in your fingers. 

But your mileage may vary.

	Cystennin

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gwendoline Rosamond [mailto:dameg@mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:50 PM
To: scribes@castle.org
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gold leaf help please


Greetings,

Thank you to everyone who posted such good descriptions!  No wonder I
was 
having so much trouble with the wretched leaf.  Brass is no problem but 
that gold was a mess!

So, next question is there a particular type of tweeser that people 
recommend?  I personally hate the ones I have at the moment but haven't 
found any yet that seem much better.

Cheers,
Gwendoline

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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:26:42 EDT
From: RenScribe@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Re: gold leaf help please

I can't use a gilder's knife or cushion to save my life. :-(
I either end up chasing the gold across the room or with a cushion full of 
gold crumbs. The edges on the pieces of gold I manage to cut are ragged. 
But.... I love to gild, so I came up with this solution. I fold a small piece 
of glassine paper in half and sandwich a piece of loose gold in the middle. I 
use a craft knife to cut it. The edges are nice and clean and I can get any 
size and shape piece of gold I want with little waste. If something comes up 
I can just close the glassine and put my burnisher on top and the gold stays 
safe and sound until I'm ready to get back to it.

It's also a much cheaper alternative to a gilder's knife and cushion. :-)

Eibhlin
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:36:32 EDT
From: RenScribe@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Re: Burnout & Teaching

In a message dated 10/2/2001 8:22:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
KMcWhyte@aol.com writes:

> I especially like M.Eibhlin's idea, regarding the appointment book (private 
>  suggestion). 

In case anyone is wondering about this, here's what I wrote

> 
>  I can't say "No" either - Here is how I handle backlogs: 
>  If someone wants me to do their scroll, I will, but it is on my own time 
> schedule. Current assignments come first .. then as time allows I do 
backlogs 
> (and theirs will take a while to get to since I always have several in 
> progress). Some people want their scroll in a hurry and think that by 
asking 
> me, a local scribe, they will get it more quickly. I explain that's not the 
> case. If they want to ask someone else or want me to see if I can find 
> someone else to do it for them I'm not offended. If it's more important to 
> them to get a scroll that I've done, then they don't mind that I take my 
time 
> and do my best work.
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:53:55 EDT
From: RenScribe@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Re:Simple Carrier

Baroness Julianna has made over 100 scroll carriers for the Kingdom of 
AEthelmearc. She glues cotton fabric onto a sturdy base, lines them with 
white fabric and adds 2 cords to tie the top closed. The outside of the case 
has a large white tag that says - Property of AEthelmearc - Please return to 
Signet or scribe for reuse. If I have any of these on hand I take them to 
events so recipients can safely get their scrolls home. Many AEthelmearc 
scribes deliver their scrolls to events in these carriers or something else 
that the recipient can take the scroll home in. 

My first carrier was a piece of upholstery fabric and a piece of white cotton 
sewn together like a pillowcase. I slipped inside - 2 pieces of cardboard 
held together with a duct tape hinge and sewed up the opening of the fabric. 

I've since refined this a bit and added ribbon ties on the sides and handles 
made out of heavy trim on the top ...and the fabric is now a nice piece of 
tapestry that I bought at Pennsic. :-) 

It's really pretty and has held up well through over 4 years of abuse. 
In an emergency I'll use anything to protect a scroll ... pretty or not. 

Eibhlin
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:55:24 -0700
From: "Richard" <richard@CalligraphyStudio.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: other art lists

Here are a few of the lists:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/book-arts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bookbinding
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bookbinding-techniques
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberscribes


> Someone mentioned on an earlier post about a bookbinders list.   I would
be
> interested to find out about that.  And while I'm at it, is there a list
for
> period stain glass or jewelry/metalsmithing?
>
> Thanks,
> Hillary, Ansteorra
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:01:38 EDT
From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: My Cats are getting turned into Fur Coats!

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> Inks, correction fluid, coffee cups,
> anything that could spill were set up on little side tables next to the
> drawing tables where you could easily reach and yet, if you spilled, the
> chances of the spill ruining on a drawing were VASTLY reduced.  

I did that too, then my cats took to drinking the paint and my brush rinse 
water. So I finally gave up doing scrolls in the living room, with the 
distraction of the tv. I now have a bedroom converted into my craft room. I 
keep the door closed all the time, even when I am in it and keep the cats out 
all of the time. Although it can get lonely in there, I also get a great deal 
more accomplished on whatever craft I happen to be working on. 

Brandy

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<BR>I did that too, then my cats took to drinking the paint and my brush rinse water. So I finally gave up doing scrolls in the living room, with the distraction of the tv. I now have a bedroom converted into my craft room. I keep the door closed all the time, even when I am in it and keep the cats out all of the time. Although it can get lonely in there, I also get a great deal more accomplished on whatever craft I happen to be working on. 
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:18:27 -0700
From: Lee Damon <nomad@castle.org>
Subject: [scribes]: FORWAARDED auto-bounced message to scribes list

Please reply to the sender, not to me.

postmaster@castle.org

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From: "Peters, Rise J." <rise.peters@spiegelmcd.com>
To: "'Hillary Greenslade'" <hillaryrg@yahoo.com>, scribes@castle.org
Subject: RE: [scribes]: other art lists
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:02:24 -0400 

There is a period glassworker's list that includes stained glass; send
"s*bscribe" as the body of a message to "compagnia-request@phosphor-ink.com"

[ed note: replace the * with a u]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hillary Greenslade [mailto:hillaryrg@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:43 PM
> To: scribes@castle.org
> Subject: [scribes]: other art lists
> 
> 
> Someone mentioned on an earlier post about a bookbinders 
> list.   I would be
> interested to find out about that.  And while I'm at it, is 
> there a list for
> period stain glass or jewelry/metalsmithing?
> 
> Thanks,  
> Hillary, Ansteorra
> 
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:58:21 -0700 
From: Mark Miller <MMiller@CI.VICTORVILLE.CA.US>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re:Simple Carrier

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I'm new to helping the scribes in our kingdom and I was looking at doing
something like that...  Was going to use foamboard as a base... like the
idea of covering with cloth.

My question is... Should I provide a raised border of foamboard on one of
the sides, so as to create a "case" or pocket for the scroll, rather than
having the sides press against and contact the scroll directly.  My concern
is for the thickness of the wax seals.  Having no experience with this, I
may be anticipating problems that do not exist.

Any comments.

Ryan of Rickford,
Herald for Al-Sahid, Kingdom of Caid

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From: RenScribe@aol.com [mailto:RenScribe@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:54 AM
To: scribes@castle.org
Subject: [scribes]: Re:Simple Carrier


Baroness Julianna has made over 100 scroll carriers for the Kingdom of 
AEthelmearc. She glues cotton fabric onto a sturdy base, lines them with 
white fabric and adds 2 cords to tie the top closed. The outside of the case

has a large white tag that says - Property of AEthelmearc - Please return to

Signet or scribe for reuse. If I have any of these on hand I take them to 
events so recipients can safely get their scrolls home. Many AEthelmearc 
scribes deliver their scrolls to events in these carriers or something else 
that the recipient can take the scroll home in. 

My first carrier was a piece of upholstery fabric and a piece of white
cotton 
sewn together like a pillowcase. I slipped inside - 2 pieces of cardboard 
held together with a duct tape hinge and sewed up the opening of the fabric.


I've since refined this a bit and added ribbon ties on the sides and handles

made out of heavy trim on the top ...and the fabric is now a nice piece of 
tapestry that I bought at Pennsic. :-) 

It's really pretty and has held up well through over 4 years of abuse. 
In an emergency I'll use anything to protect a scroll ... pretty or not. 

Eibhlin
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm new to helping the scribes in our kingdom and I =
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contact the scroll directly.&nbsp; My concern is for the thickness of =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Any comments.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ryan of Rickford,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Herald for Al-Sahid, Kingdom of Caid</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: RenScribe@aol.com [<A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:54 AM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Baroness Julianna has made over 100 scroll carriers =
for the Kingdom of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>AEthelmearc. She glues cotton fabric onto a sturdy =
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on hand I take them to </FONT>
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home. Many AEthelmearc </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>scribes deliver their scrolls to events in these =
carriers or something else </FONT>
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</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My first carrier was a piece of upholstery fabric and =
a piece of white cotton </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sewn together like a pillowcase. I slipped inside - =
2 pieces of cardboard </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>held together with a duct tape hinge and sewed up =
the opening of the fabric. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've since refined this a bit and added ribbon ties =
on the sides and handles </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>made out of heavy trim on the top ...and the fabric =
is now a nice piece of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tapestry that I bought at Pennsic. :-) </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It's really pretty and has held up well through over =
4 years of abuse. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>In an emergency I'll use anything to protect a =
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