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 [scribes]: Antigen found W32/Hybris@m virus
 [scribes]: Antigen Notice
 [scribes]: snow white and 7 dwarfs - VIRUS alert
 [scribes]: gotta share!
 [scribes]: Comparative costs
 [scribes]: Snowhite message -- DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENT!
 Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls
 Re: [scribes]: gotta share!
 [scribes]: Mug Rings / Respect for Scrolls
 [scribes]: A.S. 36 in Latin?
 [scribes]: Article on  charters /  scrolls etc
 [scribes]: Re: [scribes] considerations
 RE: [scribes]: Re: [scribes] considerations
 Re: [scribes]: displays and such [was] Re: inconsideration of  our work ---
 Re: [scribes]: snow white and 7 dwarfs - VIRUS alert
 Re: [scribes]: Article on  charters /  scrolls etc
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Pix
 [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing
 [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing
 RE: [scribes]: Re: Humorous Scrolls
 [scribes]: Craft Vellum

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:14:32 -0400
From: ANTIGEN_CYAN5 <ANTIGEN_CYAN5@mail.cc.nih.gov>
Subject: [scribes]: Antigen found W32/Hybris@m virus

Antigen for Exchange found dwarf4you.exe infected with W32/Hybris@m virus.
The file is currently Deleted.  The message, "scribes digest V6 #25", was
sent from owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) and was discovered in
IMC Queues\Inbound
located at NIH/CC/CYAN5.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:17:40 -0500
From: "Michael Newton" <melcnewt@netins.net>
Subject: [scribes]: Antigen Notice

Did everyone else get a Antigen notice, about a message that had dwarf4you
attached to it? It came from a digest reply.

Thorbjorn
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gwendoline Rosamond" <dameg@mediaone.net>
To: <RenScribe@aol.com>; <scribes@castle.org>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: displays and such [was] Re: inconsideration of our
work ---


> Greetings,
>
> At 11:36 AM 8/30/2001 -0400, RenScribe@aol.com wrote:
> >Here in AEthelmearc the scribes get quite a bit of respect. We are very
> >visible. Articles have been written for the kingdom newsletter telling
folks
> >how much time and the actual cost to the scribes to produce scrolls, how
much
> >a scroll would cost if it were commissioned mundanely and how to treat
> >scrolls so they retain their value. Recipients of scrolls see how others
> >treat the scrolls they receive and follow the example set for them. It
used
> >to be that scrolls were doomed from the words, "Greet your new
companion".
> >Nowadays it is likely the scroll will be taken from the recipient before
they
> >get a single hug. :-)
>
> <snip>
>
> Those articles sound like fabulous ideas!  I think that it should be
> suggested to the authors that an article of that sort should be sent to
> TI.  It might hit more people, society wide, with a clue by 4...
>
> Cheers,
> Gwendoline
>
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:29:59 -0400
From: "Klaus and Mea" <tami@eznet.net>
Subject: [scribes]: snow white and 7 dwarfs - VIRUS alert

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Sorry to waste BW, but this email I received this morning from the list =
is a horrible virus. It wiped out our hard drive last year.  I Just =
thought I would let you all know, to NOT open it. It does major damage.
Mea : )

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated =
and
polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a =

*huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and =
the Seven
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:42:25 -0400
From: "Judith Kirk" <Kirk@ucs5.cc.wmich.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: gotta share!

Ooh ooh ooh.

I got some cool stuff at Pennsic. I bought some actual, real,
honest to goddess blank pages of 550 year old parchment.  One has
some writing on it, which I will either remove or work around.. but
those pieces will have some of my own artwork on 'em within a few
years.

I've been slowly assembling the parchment, the pigments, and the
gilding supplies, and now I'm going to start researching
illuminations to match the parchment pages I bought. One is 15th
century Italian, the other 15th century Dutch. I also bought three
French leaves, lined for music (in red)! Pricking is visible on all
the sheets, ruled lines are also evident.

I am SO itching to do this...and I'm not feeling guilty about
putting 21st century artwork on 15th century paper. Rather I do that
than see them end up as endpapers or stored away in a dark drawer
and only taken out as curiosities.

Merouda, did you buy any of that stuff too? Merchant was Lady
Katarina, from Leaves of our Times (at Pennsic)

Siobhan


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:46 -0400
From: "Judith Kirk" <Kirk@ucs5.cc.wmich.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: Comparative costs

Hey, I'll take a bite at that bait.

I'll gladly take an article that explains the work that went into
the production of an original piece of artwork (an awards scroll).
Someone want to do it? Contact me offlist!

Siobhan
Editor of Artes Draconis, Midrealm Arts and Sciences journal

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:26:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lyle H. Gray" <gray@cs.umass.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: Snowhite message -- DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENT!

That "Snowhite" message that just came through has a virus
attached.  DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT!

Delete the message.

Lyle


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:34:12 EDT
From: KATAKIRA@aol.com
Subject: Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls

In a message dated Thu, 30 Aug 2001  5:31:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Sally Burnell" <sburnell@raex.com> writes:
> Fortunately, in recent years, the Midrealm Royalty has made a point of recognising the scribes in court, not only by reading off our names at the end of court, but also in awarding us nice tokens as a thank you gift. It makes all the work and effort worthwhile to receive something like that from the hand of your Monarchs. Every token I have received, no matter how small, has meant the world to me, and is something I cherish and treasure. I wear one on my belt, a lovely favour that I received from the hands of TRM Edmund and Kateryn last fall at Coronation. It's white with a red stripe down the
> middle (like the Midrealm arms) and has embroidered on it the badge of the Midrealm Scribes, a silver quill over a gold scroll.

(Big grin!)

And let me, again, take the opportunity to thank Saradwen, a most kick-butt scribe, on the absolutely fabulous Dragon's Heart scroll that she did which was awarded to me at the same event. She did it just for me, in my favorite bar & ivy style, with tons of "Red Lizard Crimson" and whitework.

Just wait until you see it up in the sitting room. I'm not hanging it up until the remodel is done, and then it's going in, and will have a wall ofit's own. (Did I mention it was huge?)

Katarina Peregrine
Gwyntarian, Middle
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:10:33 EDT
From: KATAKIRA@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: gotta share!

Not to be too mercenary, but there's more. We're light on it at the studio now, but I think at least a dozen more blanks in varying sizes are available. Usually we have 20-30 available. The signature and wrap that Merouda got was a freak thing.

Katarina Peregrine
Gwyntarian, Middle

In a message dated Fri, 31 Aug 2001  8:46:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Judith Kirk" <Kirk@ucs5.cc.wmich.edu> writes:

> Ooh ooh ooh.
> 
> I got some cool stuff at Pennsic. I bought some actual, real,
> honest to goddess blank pages of 550 year old parchment.  One has
> some writing on it, which I will either remove or work around.. but
> those pieces will have some of my own artwork on 'em within a few
> years.
> 
> I've been slowly assembling the parchment, the pigments, and the
> gilding supplies, and now I'm going to start researching
> illuminations to match the parchment pages I bought. One is 15th
> century Italian, the other 15th century Dutch. I also bought three
> French leaves, lined for music (in red)! Pricking is visible on all
> the sheets, ruled lines are also evident.
> 
> I am SO itching to do this...and I'm not feeling guilty about
> putting 21st century artwork on 15th century paper. Rather I do that
> than see them end up as endpapers or stored away in a dark drawer
> and only taken out as curiosities.
> 
> Merouda, did you buy any of that stuff too? Merchant was Lady
> Katarina, from Leaves of our Times (at Pennsic)
> 
> Siobhan
> 
> 
> "What?? Those aren't horns, that's my Halo Infrastructure!"
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:22:01 -0400
From: "Dills, Robert W" <rdills@foxboro.com>
Subject: [scribes]: Mug Rings / Respect for Scrolls

Eldred Ælfwald, the Former Gordian Knot Herald wrote:
I found it much simpler to be both Herald and Scribe...

I tried this technique when I was in Atlantia.  It didn't help-I'm dyslexic.
[The people of Elvegast were very polite and understanding about it,
though.]

Robert Whitcome of Brandywine
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:27:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lyle H. Gray" <gray@cs.umass.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: A.S. 36 in Latin?

Greetings to the list!

Several scribes in my area like to use the full Latin for the
date when possible.  Now, 4 months (almost 5!) into the new year,
we find that we aren't sure what the Latin would be for A.S. 36.

Does anyone know what would be appropriate?   Our first guess is
_anno societatis triginta et sext_.

Lyle FitzWilliam


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:26:52 -0700
From: ren.touch@juno.com
Subject: [scribes]: Article on  charters /  scrolls etc

FYI recent  source material / example

I think that there was a  fairly good article in the Tournaments
Illuminated with in
 the last 3 years that  showed what went in to a piece. 
The cover art was used and shown from start to finish and explained
processes and materials.
It was as I recall; not "To Scribal " to throw the general reader.

I am not currently organized enough to put my hands on it and give
edition #.

j

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:46 -0400 "Judith Kirk" <Kirk@ucs5.cc.wmich.edu>
writes:
> Hey, I'll take a bite at that bait.
> 
> I'll gladly take an article that explains the work that went into
> the production of an original piece of artwork (an awards scroll).
> Someone want to do it? Contact me offlist!
> 
> Siobhan
> Editor of Artes Draconis, Midrealm Arts and Sciences journal
> 
> "What?? Those aren't horns, that's my Halo Infrastructure!"
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mercurio Ekaterin <ekaterin@sfsu.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: Re: [scribes] considerations

Dear Gentles,

Thank you so much for all the suggestions upon displays and valuable
advise.  :)

Musing a bit upon the topic, do we have anything akin to a guild or union
(dangerious word!) that is inter-kingdom, society-wide?

Best Regards for a wonderful holiday...

Yours Cordially,
M. Ekaterin

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:37:48 -0700
From: "Ken Stoner" <kenstone@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: [scribes] considerations

Pretty much this list is the only "organizational" structure for scribes
that is society wide. You can almost think of this list as a virtual
guild-hall in some respects. 

KenStone  - Cell : (206) 949-2493
MCS National Practices- Enterprise Applications Practice

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mercurio Ekaterin [mailto:ekaterin@sfsu.edu] 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:57 AM
To: scribes@castle.org
Subject: [scribes]: Re: [scribes] considerations

Dear Gentles,

Thank you so much for all the suggestions upon displays and valuable
advise.  :)

Musing a bit upon the topic, do we have anything akin to a guild or
union
(dangerious word!) that is inter-kingdom, society-wide?

Best Regards for a wonderful holiday...

Yours Cordially,
M. Ekaterin

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:27:02 -0400
From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" <nicolaa@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: displays and such [was] Re: inconsideration of  our work ---

Greetings--

> Those articles sound like fabulous ideas!  I think that it should be
> suggested to the authors that an article of that sort should be sent to
> TI.  It might hit more people, society wide, with a clue by 4...

Your friendly neighborhood mostly lurking TI editor (also a scribe :-)
thinks this a good idea....

Nicolaa


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:57:28 -0400
From: "Sally Burnell" <sburnell@raex.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: snow white and 7 dwarfs - VIRUS alert

Sorry to waste BW, but this email I received this morning from the list is a
horrible virus. It wiped out our hard drive last year.  I Just thought I
would let you all know, to NOT open it. It does major damage.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ---
A convenient way to avoid this is to add the e-mail address of
hahaha@seyfun.net to your kill file. That way it never even makes it into my
mailbox and is automatically deleted. Then all I have to do is to empty my
deleted mail file and I'm OK.

Also, always keep your anti-virus software up to date. Run regular live
updates so that your computer always has the latest virus definitions.

Sorry to waste bandwidth on non-scribal issues, but since this somehow made
it through the castle.org filters and ended up being posted to this list, I
just thought I would share what I have learned about these kinds of
insidious viruses.

I now return you to your regular scribal discussion. Again, pardon the
bandwidth wasted.

~Saradwen
  Midrealm

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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:14:22 -0400
From: Randy Asplund <randyaf@provide.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Article on  charters /  scrolls etc

That one might have been mine. Or there may have been another one that
was specifically about award scrolls. The one I did was for a Spring
issue and it showed how a page in the middle ages could be done today
using much the same materials and techniques. I have a copy of that on
my website at:
http://www.provide.net/~randyaf/Scribe.html

Please note: I am currently working non-stop on re-writing my website.
The URL for this will change fairly soon, as will all of the URLs of my
site. They will all be reachable (and are currently reachable) from my
new domain:
RandyAsplund.com

If you have a website that accesses any of my current website, please be
advised that as soon as I can get it loaded those pages will all get new
URLs. I'll try to put a forwarding page on the current URLs, but I can't
promise that I'll do all of them or that they will stay for an extended
period of time.

RanthulfR

ren.touch@juno.com wrote:
> 
> FYI recent  source material / example
> 
> I think that there was a  fairly good article in the Tournaments
> Illuminated with in
>  the last 3 years that  showed what went in to a piece.
> The cover art was used and shown from start to finish and explained
> processes and materials.
> It was as I recall; not "To Scribal " to throw the general reader.
> 
> I am not currently organized enough to put my hands on it and give
> edition #.
> 
> j
> 
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:45:46 -0400 "Judith Kirk" <Kirk@ucs5.cc.wmich.edu>
> writes:
> > Hey, I'll take a bite at that bait.
> >
> > I'll gladly take an article that explains the work that went into
> > the production of an original piece of artwork (an awards scroll).
> > Someone want to do it? Contact me offlist!
> >
> > Siobhan
> > Editor of Artes Draconis, Midrealm Arts and Sciences journal
> >
> > "What?? Those aren't horns, that's my Halo Infrastructure!"
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:06:29 -0500
From: "Helen Schultz" <meisterin@comteck.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Pix

Good Martha, thank you for the recognition. <smile>  I see you used some
diapering to good effect on your second scroll, I hope some of the examples I
talked about and showed you helped a bit.

Based on the amount of time you took to do these pieces of art, I think they are
fairly good.  Yes, you need some practice, but even so, I'll bet they were both
well received.

KHvS

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To: <scribes@castle.org>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Pix


> Meisterin Katarina,
>
> Hey! I know you! I took your diapering class! :) (I'm awful with names, I
> forget faces, but campsites I recognize.)
>
> To the list,
>
> I just updated my website with pictures of the two mini-scrolls I made during
> Pennsic. To see my horrible calligraphy*, go to
> http://members.aol.com/palotay/pennsic30.htm
>
> Martha
> Darach/Caid
>
> * I blame it on the conditions at war. Yeah, that's right, the conditions...
> and being rushed to finish before dark. Yeah, so it was the conditions, being
> rushed, and not having a proper ruler available. Ok, so it was... eh. You get
> the idea. >:)
>


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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Damon <nomad>
Subject: [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Damon <nomad>
Subject: [scribes]: Monthly Administrivia Mailing

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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 20:51:44 -1000
From: "Michelle O'Malley" <mkomalley@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: Humorous Scrolls

I have seen the Laurel scroll by Robert Whitcome metioned below, and it is
absolutely wonderful AND very humorous, especially if you are a scribe. I
think this is a great example of humor in a period style.

Khioniya Ryseva

PS. If you ever get a chance to hear Robert Whitcome of Brandywine lecture
on calligraphy do everything possible to do it! I never learned so much in
such a short time, or had so much fun doing calligraphy (I normally much
prefer illumination)

> -----Original Message-----

> The second scroll was for one of my apprentices who was being
> made a Laurel.
> There is a cover on one of the "George Braziller" books that
> shows a letter
> O, divided into to quarters with a scroll wandering through the quarters,
> each with its own illustration involving the scroll.  I took it a step
> further.  The wording was straight forward and serious.  The
> initial letter
> was based on the O, but the 4 illustrations wore of a monk like figure
> hunched over a scribal table, working on the scroll, that wandered from
> frame to frame and out to the border.  As the quarters progressed, the
> phases of the moon changed, the hair went from brown to balding and gray,
> and the seasons changed.  Outside letter, in the border, a king and queen
> put ink splattered signatures, the king's was an X.  It then
> passed into the
> hands of a standing herald, who was holding it upside down, his mouth open
> wide, facing away from the scroll.  It then wound it's way back to the top
> where is was mounted in a modern, silver metal frame.  Few others
> understood
> the humor, but he got it.  For some reason, other scribes like
> that scroll.

>
> Robert Whitcome of Brandywine

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:00:21 -0400
From: Patresha Zeoli-Roehre <denby@grnet.com>
Subject: [scribes]: Craft Vellum

greetings all

Im going to be doing a project for a friend and he supplied me with that
he wanted his illumination to be painted on.  Craft Vellum.  He got this
from a leather store that he use to work at.  Its actual hide.  Huge
pieces and I get to keep the scraps for smaller projects.  anyway, is
there anything special I need to do to it before I start, any advice,
warnings etc....


I did do a small sample on a scrap of it and it took the gouache just
fine and held the color beautifully including gold and silver.

Thanks in advance!

GenRose
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