From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V6 #24 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, August 30 2001 Volume 06 : Number 024 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. RE: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Re: [scribes]: scrolls [scribes]: Kewl Medieval Art in Missouri Re: [scribes]: Kewl Medieval Art in Missouri [scribes]: 12th century Sicilian illumination Re: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls [scribes]: Mug Rings / Respect for Scrolls Re: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- [scribes]: [ANN] Scriptorium at Michaelmas - northern Trimaris, September 21-23 [scribes]: displays and such [was] Re: inconsideration of our work --- Re: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls RE: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:35:16 -0700 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Hi, You need to contact your scribe-armarius. I think that is master Jim-Bear. You can also contact Eowyn Amberdrake or Tetchubah. Last I heard, the Scribes Handook is not on the Web, but is definitely in print. One of these people can for sure get you a copy. Cystennin KenStone - Cell : (206) 949-2493 MCS National Practices- Enterprise Applications Practice - -----Original Message----- From: Martha Palotay [mailto:mpalotay@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:32 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Greetings, The recent discussions included mention of the standard wording for scrolls in Caid, and the Caid scribes handbook. I could not find either of these on www.sca-caid.org (or anywhere else that Google can reach, for that matter). Am I searching wrong, or is this stuff not on the web? Martha Shire of Darach, Caid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:03:01 -0400 From: JT Thorpe Subject: Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Greetings from Eldred! Scripsit Gwendoline: > I too know how you feel. I had entered a scroll in our Kingdom Arts & > Sciences competition. At one point I was walking by the table and found > that someone had put their mug ON my scroll. I was mad enough to chew > nails and I was never able to find out who did it!!!! Just out of > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? > > Cheers, > Gwendoline I have several methods of dealing with the situations described: 1) I invest in frames to put the scrolls in. I used to by the $3 Walmart wooden frames until our Barony did a fund-raiser and someone donated frames for the scribes to use. The recipient not only gets the scroll, they get the frame too. I consider the price of the frame to be cheap in comparison to the time and effort it takes to produce a scroll. 2) I make a display of my work--a piece of tapestry-style cloth with boxes underneath to make the framed scrolls "sit up". 3) For unframed work, I have several sheets of inexpensive plexiglass that I use to cover scrolls that lay flat on the tapestry. It doesn't prevent fools from sitting mugs on the work, but it prevents the consequences. 4) For public displays where I do not want people handling materials or scrolls, I have taken a large lockable flat display case (2' x 3') and put the display inside it. In service, Eldred Ælfwald Barony of Nottinghill Coill, Atlantia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:09:40 -0400 From: JT Thorpe Subject: Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls john j cash wrote: > Dear folks, > > Brandy includes in his posting: > " 'Most of the people I know only go to court when they think they know > someone they're familiar with may get an award. It's sad, in a sense, > considering that there's a lot of work put into the awards and we don't > get to see them all the time. A court pressed for time fairly recently > took one of my best works, held it in the air for all of a nanosecond, and > then passed it into the hands of a representative for the recipient (who > was not there).' " > > This and other comments suggest to me that scribes need to make friends > with heralds, the stage managers of courts. A benefit of this would be, > that heralds could work with srcibes to have an exhibit of scrolls > following court -- those who received scrolls could bring them to the > heralds and scribes, who could set up an hour-long display, guard the > scrolls, and return them to the owners. Another benefit is that heralds > could become less mystified by hard-to-read calligraphic hands; consider > that the content always follows a pattern, and knowing this might make > those scrawls fall into the pattern. Heralds can take just as much joy as > scribes when recognition of the text is suddenly possible. > > -- johannes v.n. I found it much simpler to be both Herald and Scribe....8^) Eldred Ælfwald Former Gordian Knot Herald =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:13:08 -0400 From: JT Thorpe Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls So, M'sieur Coeurdelion, when are you going to send me pictures of your work to put up in the Atlantian scribes' gallery on our web pages? Eldred Ælfwald Atlantian Clerk Signet's Web-Minister Ron Houston wrote: > > No, I am a stick jock that likes to play with brushes. > > I have to say that heavy fighting is what originally got me interested in > the SCA. I am a very physical person, I work out in the gym for 2 hours > every day, and go to fighter practice 2 to 3 times a week. I actually > brought some weights with me to pennsic. I do not look like the type of > person that would be a scribe.. But that is one thing that I love about the > SCA, no one is afraid of doing anything because it would seem out of place. > When people I fight with found out I was royal scribner they were shocked. I > liked that though, I like to keep people guessing. I have gotten into some > other art forms, recently I have started doing casting. This wasn't actually > a big jump for me, I have always painted and done sculpture, so casting is > just the SCA version of sculpture. Well at least that's how I see it. > > Gilbert courdelion =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:36:11 -0500 From: David Ricker Subject: [scribes]: Kewl Medieval Art in Missouri Good Gentles, I have been lurking for a long time, and have a question. Has any one ever been to St. Louis, and if so, what art stores can be recommended in the area, as catering to scribes and callligraphers, or at least having a selection that is worth perusing? That would be St. Louis, MO. My church just asked me to do their certificates...so I get lots of practice, gratis, but what the heck. My lettering skills need brushing up anyway, and it makes the certificates look so much better, especially since they go to the recipient. I have found that just maybe a ball point pen would work as well as a regular calligraphy pen, as these certificates are on the smallish side...I would say exactly 8 and one half inches by five and one half inches. What do y'all think? Carolyn Hobbit name: Orangeblossom Knotwise of Whitfourrows =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:22:54 +0800 From: Jean-Paul Blaquiere Subject: Re: [scribes]: Kewl Medieval Art in Missouri > On Aug 29, David Ricker illuminated with a virtual scribe : > My church just asked me to do their certificates...so I get lots of > practice, gratis, but > what the heck. My lettering skills need brushing up anyway, and it > makes the certificates > look so much better, especially since they go to the recipient. > > I have found that just maybe a ball point pen would work as well as a > regular calligraphy > pen, as these certificates are on the smallish side...I would say > exactly 8 and one half inches by five and one half inches. What do > y'all think? > apart fro mthe sacrilege of doing calligraphy with *shudder* a ball point, I like it. Any practice is good practice but preferably practice what you want to become good at. Quality of lettering comes from pen flow and IMHO you'll need a better pen substitute than a ball pen. Have you tried using map pens? They are very fine dip pens with widths down to 0.5mm (er ??? inches) I have a couple which I use for ruling lines with and one actually got used to write lecture notes at uni when I discovered I'd put the wrong pencil case into my bag one day ... /Jp... - -- Jean-Paul Blaquière || Avatar of Computational japester@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au || Thaumaturgy http://japester.ucc.asn.au || IHTFP Hell is other people =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:25:06 -0700 From: "Tammy L. Williams" Subject: [scribes]: 12th century Sicilian illumination This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C130E1.D67BD8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't have it, but an award has requested something done from the = locale and time (1130) and the scribe doing it (Bjolan) would appreciate = finding some on-line examples. He isn't currently sub$cribed to list = (and I seem to mess it up everytime I try to tell someone how to so if = one of you non-cyber challenged people would be so kind...in either = case;-} Tam - ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C130E1.D67BD8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't have it, but an award has = requested=20 something done from the locale and time (1130) and the scribe doing it = (Bjolan)=20 would appreciate finding some on-line examples.  He isn't currently = sub$cribed to list (and I seem to mess it up everytime I try to tell = someone how=20 to so if one of you non-cyber challenged people would be so kind...in = either=20 case;-}
 
Tam
- ------=_NextPart_000_01CD_01C130E1.D67BD8A0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:11:11 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes In a message dated 8/29/01 4:34:46 PM, mpalotay@yahoo.com writes: << Am I searching wrong, or is this stuff not on the web?>> Hello, Martha! No, the words are not yet on the web, though I believe Mistress Aliskye plans to have them up by the end of the year. The current Scribe Armarius is Countess Luciana, and her address is in the Crown Prints. Since you live in Darach, I suggest you contact either Master Bruce Draconarius (who issued the last version of the booklet when he was Scribe Armarius) or Mistress Elyramere (still another former S.A.). They should have extra copies. Cheers! Eowyn =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:18:31 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls - --part1_152.22c543.28bf9727_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 5:31:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dameg@mediaone.net writes: > !!!! Just out of > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? > > REALLY big, snarly, guard dogs around the display tables? (ok, just kidding) Brandy - --part1_152.22c543.28bf9727_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 5:31:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dameg@mediaone.net writes:


!!!!  Just out of
curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing?



REALLY big, snarly, guard dogs around the display tables? (ok, just kidding)
Brandy - --part1_152.22c543.28bf9727_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:19:37 -0400 From: "Dills, Robert W" Subject: [scribes]: Mug Rings / Respect for Scrolls Gwendoline wrote: I too know how you feel. I had entered a scroll in our Kingdom Arts & Sciences competition. At one point I was walking by the table and found that someone had put their mug ON my scroll. I was mad enough to chew nails and I was never able to find out who did it!!!! Just out of curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? Buckshot! Period if you use rusty nails and a blunderbuss. When did scrolls start being respected? I realize I've been away from events for near 10 years [parenthood and Army Reserves, but I can't imagine the culture changing that much! Robert Whitcome of Brandywine =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:47:26 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- - --part1_f9.ed92ed4.28bf9dee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 6:48:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ekaterin@sfsu.edu writes: > Dear Gentles, > > Scribing is indeed an immensely rewarding and sometimes frustrating > past-time as recognition remain difficult for there is no permanent > gallery and web-sites offer mere passable facsimilies... > > > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? > > While far from any solution, I wonder perhaps the recipient ought be > contacted first to assure their committment to preserving someone else's > 'blood and sweat' before any original scroll is done. And that any > Gentles whom cannot be bothered or do not care to own an original piece be > assigned pre-prints instead (or in the extreme case of irreverence, back > to the back of the pile, buddy). We are just putting something like that into the works in Atlantia (or at least discussing it, right Genevieve?) We will let you know how it goes. One problem is that the King and Queen do not want the recipients to know they are getting an award until they get called into court. So contacting them ahead of time would not work in those cases. It should work for backlog scrolls, however. But it will require someone to contact the recipients to find out if they want a scroll. Last year, our Clerk of the Signet made up forms and gave them to many, many people around the kingdom asking for the populace to fill them out and return them. These were forms that basically requested that a scroll be done, if the person wanted one. I do not know how many she got back, but I am guessing it was not very many. I have tried this on a local level in our Barony and gotten nowhere when I left it up to the people to get the forms back to me. I have to browbeat them and continually harrass them to get the information out of them. Email gets more response than snail mail, but is still not very accurate. > > That perhaps our community of scribes, as a whole, may 'campaign' to > Royals and general Populace for greater appreciation and respect, to the > same degree that original artworks/crafts are esteemed in mundane society. I just had an idea; what if we were to include a "Mundane pricing" on the back of our scrolls, along with our name and address. Just a line saying, "If you were to purchase this piece of art on the open market, you would probably pay $xxx.xx for it." Maybe then people would value it more, if they knew what they are getting for free (and expecting to get for free). So, how does one determine what is the going price for art? I have no idea how much to price my scrolls for. > > It is disheartening to witness our enthusiasm dimmed by inconsideration. > Yet in my humble view, it is within our powers to effect some changes > in public opinion, however small, from the nearest shire to the farthest > kingdom. > > Your servant, > M. Ekaterin > I totally agree. If we don't like the way the populace view our work, then it is up to us to change their expectations. The only question is how. - --part1_f9.ed92ed4.28bf9dee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 6:48:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ekaterin@sfsu.edu writes:


Dear Gentles,

Scribing is indeed an immensely rewarding and sometimes frustrating
past-time as recognition remain difficult for there is no permanent
gallery and web-sites offer mere passable facsimilies...

> curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing?

While far from any solution, I wonder perhaps the recipient ought be
contacted first to assure their committment to preserving someone else's
'blood and sweat' before any original scroll is done.  And that any
Gentles whom cannot be bothered or do not care to own an original piece be
assigned pre-prints instead (or in the extreme case of irreverence, back
to the back of the pile, buddy).
We are just putting something like that into the works in Atlantia (or at
least discussing it, right Genevieve?) We will let you know how it goes. One
problem is that the King and Queen do not want the recipients to know they
are getting an award until they get called into court. So contacting them
ahead of time would not work in those cases. It should work for backlog
scrolls, however. But it will require someone to contact the recipients to
find out if they want a scroll. Last year, our Clerk of the Signet made up
forms and gave them to many, many people around the kingdom asking for the
populace to fill them out and return them. These were forms that basically
requested that a scroll be done, if the person wanted one. I do not know how
many she got back, but I am guessing it was not very many. I have tried this
on a local level in our Barony and gotten nowhere when I left it up to the
people to get the forms back to me. I have to browbeat them and continually
harrass them to get the information out of them. Email gets more response
than snail mail, but is still not very accurate.


That perhaps our community of scribes, as a whole, may 'campaign' to
Royals and general Populace for greater appreciation and respect, to the
same degree that original artworks/crafts are esteemed in mundane society.
I just had an idea; what if we were to include a "Mundane pricing" on the
back of our scrolls, along with our name and address. Just a line saying, "If
you were to purchase this piece of art on the open market, you would probably
pay $xxx.xx for it." Maybe then people would value it more, if they knew what
they are getting for free (and expecting to get for free). So, how does one
determine what is the going price for art? I have no idea how much to price
my scrolls for.


It is disheartening to witness our enthusiasm dimmed by inconsideration.
Yet in my humble view, it is within our powers to effect some changes
in public opinion, however small, from the nearest shire to the farthest
kingdom.

Your servant,
M. Ekaterin

I totally agree. If we don't like the way the populace view our work, then it
is up to us to change their expectations. The only question is how. - --part1_f9.ed92ed4.28bf9dee_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:14:21 -0400 From: "Holly" Subject: [scribes]: [ANN] Scriptorium at Michaelmas - northern Trimaris, September 21-23 Master Iefan is looking for more instructors, so the class schedule has not been finalized yet. If any of you scribal folks in Meridies would like to come and teach, we'd love to have you. There will also be light & heavy weapons, archery, and a bardic competition, looks like. Truly something for everyone. :-) From Lady Thorunn's original missive, posted to the Trimaris list: So what do you do get when two friendly groups want to have events the same weekend however only one can be on the calendar? One heck of a weekend! The Shire of Castlemere and the Barony of An Crosaire are proudly co-hosting SCRIPTORIUM AT MICHAELMAS! That's right, fighting all day AND heraldically inspired classes! The only problem will be deciding what you want to attend when. September 21-23, 2001 Camp Immokalee 6765 Immokalee Road Keystone Heights, FL 32656 Please see our website at http://www.geocities.com/scriptmas/ for more information. You are doubly invited and will be twice welcomed! Checks should be made payable to SCA DBA SHIRE OF CASTLEMERE. Make your reservations now! I am betting feast will sell our early for this one :) (end PSA) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:36:30 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: displays and such [was] Re: inconsideration of our work --- Here in AEthelmearc the scribes get quite a bit of respect. We are very visible. Articles have been written for the kingdom newsletter telling folks how much time and the actual cost to the scribes to produce scrolls, how much a scroll would cost if it were commissioned mundanely and how to treat scrolls so they retain their value. Recipients of scrolls see how others treat the scrolls they receive and follow the example set for them. It used to be that scrolls were doomed from the words, "Greet your new companion". Nowadays it is likely the scroll will be taken from the recipient before they get a single hug. :-) Being visible as scribes isn't easy. Most of our work is done before the day of an event... and in the privacy of our own homes. We have tried several things to show the work of the scribes with varying degrees of success. During court - Every scroll is read, shown to the populace and the scribe/s are announced. While the new members of an order are greeted, the scroll is taken from them for safekeeping and held/shown nearby. It used to be a frantic scribe who would jump for the scroll, now it's whoever is closest :-) The recipient takes the scroll back to their seat when they are done. More often than not folks will still stop the recipients on their way out of court to look at the scrolls. (They must be something special to have received such careful treatment) Displaying the pieces after court - This type of display works best when the scroll doesn't go beyond the dais. The herald can pass the scrolls to someone after court to be displayed for about an hour, then given back to the recipient (in a protective cover). What doesn't work as well is putting them on display then having the recipients meet with the royalty near the display to have their scroll signed. Many times the royalty got too busy after court and the scrolls never got signed. Displaying backlog scrolls - We do this a couple of times a year. Finished backlog scrolls are placed on display during an event. If you see a scroll that is yours, you get to take it home with you. If your scroll isn't there, you can inquire about it's status. A&S Competitions - It's not uncommon for a scribe to borrow a piece back from the recipient to enter it in a competition or to do a blank illumination that can be donated to the Shire/Barony/Kingdom after the competition. Scrolls that are prizes for tourneys/competions at an event are often on display themselves. It is usually up to the scribes to provide protection for their scrolls for competitions, some things that have worked well for me are inexpensive frames and a small easel to make the piece vertical rather than horizontal. It's really hard to set something on a scroll that is displayed upright For displaying a book, place it inside a box draped with fabric (you can bend another piece of cardboard and place it in the box before draping the fabric to make the piece sit at a better angle for viewing) and then set a frame on top of the box to protect it. For displays sponsored by the Signet - I have 3 large cork boards, a number of easels and clear plastic covers for placing over tables that have scrolls on them. Use the head of the pins to hold the piece into place, not the actual pin part. Never put pins or thumb tacks in scrolls to display them. Sounds logical, but you wouldn't believe how many scrolls I've seen put on display with pins stuck through them :-( Eibhlin ni Chaoimh Sylvan Signet of AEthelmearc =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:38:20 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1311E.5BBEDEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scribing is indeed an immensely rewarding and sometimes frustrating=20 past-time as recognition remain difficult for there is no permanent=20 gallery and web-sites offer mere passable facsimilies...=20 One of the things we all can do is to start websites with scans of our = work. Here in Atenveldt we have begun the process. The initial effort = can be seen at http://scribe.atenveldt.org I find looking at other scribes work very inspirational and rewarding. = So, I am a sucker for scribal teas at war..... I would love to see links to other scribes sites. That perhaps our community of scribes, as a whole, may 'campaign' to=20 Royals and general Populace for greater appreciation and respect, to the = same degree that original artworks/crafts are esteemed in mundane = society. The situation I encountered in Atenveldt was dismal. Being eastern and = aethelmearc trained, this was a shellshock. Preprints were the norm. = This current Reign is the first we know of not having to use preprints = at all. The scribes I am working with all work in the open at events. It = is amazing to talk to folks who have never seen a scribe at work. In a = years time the entire attitude about scribes and what we do has changed. = Courts are fun, folks are interested to see what wonders we have wrought = this time and the comments scribes are getting after court, during = events, at home, very very gratifying. My scribal roster went from 4 = active producing scribes the last reign to 22 this time and more coming = to the art. Exposure to the creative process is the only way I have found to change = attitudes about scribing. A picture is worth more than a thousand words. = Work in the open and watch it happen.... Talk to as many Royalty as you can. Invite them to workshops so they can = see for themselves. . The only question is how.=20 that's how we did it here in the desert. I am so excited to see what = else these gentles are going to create. I am also blessed with two = outstanding souls as deputies. Find a partner to work with. I never knew = how much fun it could be to work with someone else until I tried this. Stepping of my soap box now... Alex, the scribe aka Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle Kingdom signet Aten - ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1311E.5BBEDEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scribing is indeed an = immensely=20 rewarding and sometimes frustrating
past-time as recognition remain=20 difficult for there is no permanent
gallery and web-sites offer mere = passable facsimilies...
 
One of the things we = all can do is=20 to start websites with scans of our work. Here in Atenveldt we have = begun the=20 process. The initial effort can be seen at http://scribe.atenveldt.org
I find looking at other = scribes=20 work very inspirational and rewarding. So, I am a sucker for scribal = teas at=20 war.....
I would love to see = links to other=20 scribes sites.

That perhaps our community of scribes, as a whole, = may=20 'campaign' to
Royals and general Populace for greater appreciation = and=20 respect, to the
same degree that original artworks/crafts are = esteemed in=20 mundane society.
 
The situation I encountered in = Atenveldt was=20 dismal. Being eastern and aethelmearc trained, this was a shellshock. = Preprints=20 were the norm. This current Reign is the first we know of not having to = use=20 preprints at all. The scribes I am working with all work in the open at = events.=20 It is amazing to talk to folks who have never seen a scribe at work. In = a years=20 time the entire attitude about scribes and what we do has changed. = Courts are=20 fun, folks are interested to see what wonders we have wrought this time = and the=20 comments scribes are getting after court, during events, at home, very = very=20 gratifying. My scribal roster went from 4 active producing scribes the = last=20 reign to 22 this time and more coming to the = art.
Exposure to the creative process is = the only way=20 I have found to change attitudes about scribing. A picture is worth more = than a=20 thousand words. Work in the open and watch it=20 happen....
Talk to as many Royalty as you can. = Invite them=20 to workshops so they can see for themselves.
.=20 The only question is how.
 
that's how we did it here in the desert. I am so excited to see = what else=20 these gentles are going to create. I am also blessed with two = outstanding=20 souls as deputies. Find a partner to work with. I never knew how much = fun it=20 could be to work with someone else until I tried this.
Stepping of my soap box now...
Alex, the scribe
aka Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle
Kingdom signet = Aten
- ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1311E.5BBEDEE0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Dear folks, In answer to Gwendoline, Milady Brandy writes, > > !!!! Just out of > > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? > > > > > > REALLY big, snarly, guard dogs around the display tables? (ok, just kidding) One time I organized an inter-kingdom exhibit of scrolls. I arranged for sixty Eastrealm scrolls spanning about 15 years to be brought to the Midrealm for the annual Known World Heraldic Symposium. A woman from the Midrealm brought about thirty-five from there, and folks from the West brought several books of photos. The scrolls were exhibited under plexiglass and in a few museum cases. Duke Laurelyn and a few of his squires guarded this exhibit in full armor. Very impressive. - -- johannes v.n. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." -- Cathering Aird =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:24:28 EDT From: Lucianadi@aol.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Greetings! Caidan scroll texts are currently only available in print. We are working on an electronic version! BTW, I took over as Scribe Armarius (in Caid)in June. Please feel free to contact me at ScribeArmarius@aol.com for further assistance on Caidan issues. I will have scroll texts available at Crown Tourney and Collegium. In Service, Contessa Luciana Scribe Armarius (Caid) ScribeArmarius@aol.com In a message dated Wed, 29 Aug 2001 9:41:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Ken Stoner" writes: > Hi, > You need to contact your scribe-armarius. I think that is master > Jim-Bear. You can also contact Eowyn Amberdrake or Tetchubah. > > Last I heard, the Scribes Handook is not on the Web, but is definitely > in print. One of these people can for sure get you a copy. > > Cystennin > > KenStone - Cell : (206) 949-2493 > MCS National Practices- Enterprise Applications Practice > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha Palotay [mailto:mpalotay@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:32 PM > To: scribes@castle.org > Subject: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes > > Greetings, > > The recent discussions included mention of the standard wording for > scrolls in > Caid, and the Caid scribes handbook. I could not find either of these on > www.sca-caid.org (or anywhere else that Google can reach, for that > matter). Am > I searching wrong, or is this stuff not on the web? > > Martha > Shire of Darach, Caid > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V6 #24 ****************************