From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V6 #23 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, August 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 023 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls [scribes]: manuscripts in European collections RE: [scribes]: scrolls Re: [scribes]: Humorous Scrolls RE: [scribes]: scrolls RE: [scribes]: scrolls [scribes]: Re: Humorous Scrolls RE: [scribes]: scrolls RE: [scribes]: scrolls Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work (Formerly: RE: Scrolls) Re: [scribes]: scrolls - Muppet Show Clarification & Monetary Value Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- [scribes]: Graphic Artists' Guild Book [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Re: [scribes]: comments Re: [scribes]: comments ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Dear folks, Brandy includes in his posting: " 'Most of the people I know only go to court when they think they know someone they're familiar with may get an award. It's sad, in a sense, considering that there's a lot of work put into the awards and we don't get to see them all the time. A court pressed for time fairly recently took one of my best works, held it in the air for all of a nanosecond, and then passed it into the hands of a representative for the recipient (who was not there).' " This and other comments suggest to me that scribes need to make friends with heralds, the stage managers of courts. A benefit of this would be, that heralds could work with srcibes to have an exhibit of scrolls following court -- those who received scrolls could bring them to the heralds and scribes, who could set up an hour-long display, guard the scrolls, and return them to the owners. Another benefit is that heralds could become less mystified by hard-to-read calligraphic hands; consider that the content always follows a pattern, and knowing this might make those scrawls fall into the pattern. Heralds can take just as much joy as scribes when recognition of the text is suddenly possible. - -- johannes v.n. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." -- Cathering Aird =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:09:23 EDT From: SNSpies@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: manuscripts in European collections I have had good luck locating available information on manuscripts in collections in England, but those manuscripts in continental collections have been somewhat more elusive. Perhaps they have not been published as extensively as the English ones? Whatever. I would appreciate very much any help in finding and viewing those in the continental collections, either on-line or in hard copy. Thank you. Please respond privately. Nancy =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:56:12 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls >>Lets be careful on how you say stick jock. I am a stick jock, matter of fact I am a pretty good one. I fight with the Atlantian cavalry under the command of Duke Michael of Bedford, and my knight is Sir Keigan Broussard. I have to admit that there are not a lot of stick jocks that do callig but there are some. I was just released of my post as royal scribner. Anyways just letting everyone know that stick jocks are not just dumb brutes, but sometimes that is a good thing.. ;-)<< But Gilbert, the fact that you can do calligraphy means that you really *aren't* a stick jock. What you really are is a scribe who likes to play with swords ;-) Tetchubah "Oh Bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:05:25 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Humorous Scrolls >>The choice here is between putting on a scroll a funny scene with a jester playing tricks with his king or a Muppet Show characters. Is the latter period? Not, in any way.<< I'm not sure I'd agree with that 100%. No, if you draw Kermit the Frog into a scroll and it's recognizably Kermit, that's not period. But on the other hand, I've seen some really bizarre creatures in the marginalia of scrolls - men with chicken bodies, creatures with fish heads and bird tails, dragons of god knows what origin, etc. You get the picture. So if someone put into a scroll one of the weirder Muppet characters like Gonzo or that huge character who's name I forget (he reminds me of a wild man character), I don't think I'd be willing to say they or something like them couldn't have appeared on a medieval scroll. Tetchubah "Oh Bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:02:57 -0400 From: Ron Houston Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls No, I am a stick jock that likes to play with brushes. I have to say that heavy fighting is what originally got me interested in the SCA. I am a very physical person, I work out in the gym for 2 hours every day, and go to fighter practice 2 to 3 times a week. I actually brought some weights with me to pennsic. I do not look like the type of person that would be a scribe.. But that is one thing that I love about the SCA, no one is afraid of doing anything because it would seem out of place. When people I fight with found out I was royal scribner they were shocked. I liked that though, I like to keep people guessing. I have gotten into some other art forms, recently I have started doing casting. This wasn't actually a big jump for me, I have always painted and done sculpture, so casting is just the SCA version of sculpture. Well at least that's how I see it. Gilbert courdelion - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Behalf Of Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 12:56 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls >>Lets be careful on how you say stick jock. I am a stick jock, matter of fact I am a pretty good one. I fight with the Atlantian cavalry under the command of Duke Michael of Bedford, and my knight is Sir Keigan Broussard. I have to admit that there are not a lot of stick jocks that do callig but there are some. I was just released of my post as royal scribner. Anyways just letting everyone know that stick jocks are not just dumb brutes, but sometimes that is a good thing.. ;-)<< But Gilbert, the fact that you can do calligraphy means that you really *aren't* a stick jock. What you really are is a scribe who likes to play with swords ;-) Tetchubah "Oh Bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:31:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls Actually, Syr Malcolm and THL Aengus McBain here in AEthelmearc, Syr Ranthulfr in the MidRealm, and a few others could point out the large number of fighters who are way beyond being "just stick-jocks." I remember when a former protege of mine (now Mistress Liusaidh McLeoid) was Kingdom Signet of the Midrealm, and wrung her hands and worried that some of her very best scribes (Kathlee Allen, Robert of Two Cliffs, Ranthulfr Asparlundr to name a few) were out there on the fighting field risking those precious C&I hands every time they got into armor. Scribes tend to be a pretty eclectic bunch! Graidhne ni Ruaidh On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Ron Houston wrote: > > Lets be careful on how you say stick jock. I am a stick jock, matter of fact > I am a pretty good one. I fight with the Atlantian cavalry under the command > of Duke Michael of Bedford, and my knight is Sir Keigan Broussard. I have to > admit that there are not a lot of stick jocks that do callig but there are > some. I was just released of my post as royal scribner. Anyways just > letting everyone know that stick jocks are not just dumb brutes, but > sometimes that is a good thing.. ;-) > > > Gilbert Courdelion > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On > Behalf Of Russell Husted > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:29 AM > To: scribes@castle.org > Subject: [scribes]: scrolls > > > Two short stories: > > The last big scroll I did was given out at coronation by the King and Queen > while they were stepping down. Their comment to me afterwords was all I > really needed to hear after 100 hour work. Thank you, It means a lot to us > to be able to give away something that shows how truely thankful we are to > her for her work. > > The second one happened only this last weekend. A fighter was asking another > scribe for a charter to be made for his group. He started by saying that it > was only 250 to 300 words long, that he wanted illumination on several > sides, on real vellum, 14th century... He asked for mundane pricing, so > she(the other scribe) began to work it out. His eyes got bigger and bigger > as the price added up to more and more digits in size. There is now another > stick-jock in the world who will treat a simple scroll like it was handed to > him by a true King or Queen, not just person playing a part. > > your servant, > mahee > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:35:20 -0400 From: "Dills, Robert W" Subject: [scribes]: Re: Humorous Scrolls Greetings All, Coming in late to the discussion: I'm a strong believer in humor; I also believe that a scroll must be enjoyable for many years after it's presentation. Most silly humor will fail after a time. I wonder what the recipient of the Muppet scroll will think of it 15 years from now. I've done 3 humorous scrolls, on purpose [a couple of others by accident]. I think they will show my solution to the balance of seriousness of both presenting the recipient a scroll they will treasure for years and dignity for the recreation of the Current Middle Ages with the addition of humor. The first was done for a well known, well loved Herald/Craftsperson know for her knowledge of linguistics and her off beat sense of humor. I had the wording translated into Latin. A 3rd year Latin Scholar and her Professor worked on the translation. The wording was serious and I had included social and political explanations of the various parts of the scroll so that they could be as authentic as possible. They did a wonderful job and sent the translation with possible variations based on possible meanings. I did the scroll in the Anglo-Celtic style. This allowed for the humor. I added the glossing that appears in many such works. However, the glossing was in Malagentian Vesel, with a Runic based, phonetic alphabet that includes a symbol for the raspberry. The glorious summation of her wondrous deeds was glossed as "Is done wicked good, Bambi." The official "by Our Hand..." wording was reduced to "Is said, is done, is truth! PThh." [remember that raspberry symbol]. The presentation date, 12th Night, was referred to as "really 23rd night" [well it was.] The glossing was small and unobtrusive, and unless you had some understanding of Vesel and phonetics, almost completely unreadable. Baron Stephan of Silverwing read it cold, but he's abnormal-or talented, take your pick. The second scroll was for one of my apprentices who was being made a Laurel. There is a cover on one of the "George Braziller" books that shows a letter O, divided into to quarters with a scroll wandering through the quarters, each with its own illustration involving the scroll. I took it a step further. The wording was straight forward and serious. The initial letter was based on the O, but the 4 illustrations wore of a monk like figure hunched over a scribal table, working on the scroll, that wandered from frame to frame and out to the border. As the quarters progressed, the phases of the moon changed, the hair went from brown to balding and gray, and the seasons changed. Outside letter, in the border, a king and queen put ink splattered signatures, the king's was an X. It then passed into the hands of a standing herald, who was holding it upside down, his mouth open wide, facing away from the scroll. It then wound it's way back to the top where is was mounted in a modern, silver metal frame. Few others understood the humor, but he got it. For some reason, other scribes like that scroll. The third was for a well know peer. Knight. Count. Duke. And many other things. He had never registered his arms. This was for a service award I believe. I did the scroll seriously, but I added a saintly looking, robed figure [private joke] pointing at the empty shield and glaring out at the recipient. His arms are now registered, but they keep this scroll with the shield blank, because "it's just too funny." The point of these stories is not to show how clever I am, but rather to show that it is quite possible to include humor that also respects the occasion, the person and the scribal arts. Robert Whitcome of Brandywine =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Malcolm MacEoghainn Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls Goodness, Mistress Graidne.. now you've gone and blown my cover! Repeat after me: "Stealthscribe.." *smile* - --- "Cecelia M. Hughes" wrote: > Actually, Syr Malcolm and THL Aengus McBain here in > AEthelmearc, Syr > Ranthulfr in the MidRealm, and a few others could > point out the large > number of fighters who are way beyond being "just > stick-jocks." As always, I remain, In Service to the Dream. Malcolm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Malcolm MacEoghainn Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls Goodness, Mistress Graidne.. now you've gone and blown my cover! Repeat after me: "Stealthscribe.." *smile* - --- "Cecelia M. Hughes" wrote: > Actually, Syr Malcolm and THL Aengus McBain here in > AEthelmearc, Syr > Ranthulfr in the MidRealm, and a few others could > point out the large > number of fighters who are way beyond being "just > stick-jocks." As always, I remain, In Service to the Dream. Malcolm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:44:52 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls What you mentioned about putting the hours spent working on the scroll might just be a wise idea -- thank you for suggesting that. I live with my family, after moving back in from AEthelmearc myself (where I would have been a member, had I not decided to wait until coming back home to the East, 2 years after moving out there initially -- 2 hrs north of Pennsic), and out of seven days of the week, four are my own to do with as I please after work... And even then, those evenings get booked up by either me trying to regain sanity after work (archery practice, Weight Watchers, occasionally coming out of the cave to visit friends, or fairly recently, attending baronial meetings and the workshops...), or attending to family matters and chores. You can usually tell when I've been working on a scroll too long -- laundry starts to pile up, things start walking away on their own... etc. In essence, sometimes every hour, every minute I put into a scroll counts -- no matter how many I put in. But that's just me. Insofar as the rest of court procedures go.... It's generally encouraged that we here in East try to provide a cover or some means of transporting the scroll away from the site without it getting water-damaged (especially in winter during the snows) or damaged by neglect or an act of God. Plastic folios are relatively cheap in comparison to the things inside them (leaf, vellum, etc), and worth the investment.... Even saran wrap's been used, from what I've seen (just to keep it sneeze-proof?). Last but not least, there's the matter of meeting the person who received the scroll. If they're there, it's great to actually see the person, and get to know them, especially if they don't have Arms registered yet (EK and AE custom for AoAs, I know...). Most of the recipients I met have been especially grateful, and I include my e-mail address on the backs of my scrolls with a mailing addy for any correspondence, etc. By far though, you know you've done a good job when the Signet herself contacts you to thank you... (the most recent scroll I did, for Great Northeastern War). We're appreciated here in East, but you still get the occasional yo-yo who can't understand to keep that scroll protected. - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:17:44 -0500 From: Gwendoline Rosamond Subject: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Greetings, At 09:00 AM 8/29/2001 -0400, BRNDALSTON@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >KMcWhyte@aol.com writes: > > >>Most of the people I know only go to court when they think they know someone >>they're familiar with may get an award. It's sad, in a sense, considering >>that there's a lot of work put into the awards and we don't get to see them >>all the time. A court pressed for time fairly recently took one of my best >>works, held it in the air for all of a nanosecond, and then passed it into >>the hands of a representative for the recipient (who was not there). > > >I know how you feel. That has happened to me a few times through the years. >The worst thing I saw is a scroll I did laying on top of a shield with two >rattan swords laying on top of it in the car just before the recipient went >home. That made me mad enough that I went and said something to the guy. He >had no idea that the scroll was handmade and that I had spent three weeks of >my spare time working on it. He was very sorry that he treated it that way >and appologized profusely. Still, it was very disappointing to see my work >totally messed up like that by someone who didn't care at all about having a >scroll. I too know how you feel. I had entered a scroll in our Kingdom Arts & Sciences competition. At one point I was walking by the table and found that someone had put their mug ON my scroll. I was mad enough to chew nails and I was never able to find out who did it!!!! Just out of curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? Cheers, Gwendoline =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:24:33 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work (Formerly: RE: Scrolls) An announcement was made within this reign to the effect of 'all scrolls shall be seen' in court. To the best of my knowledge, the scrolls still remain presented in court as before, even if the recipient is not in attendance -- at which point we in the audience are asked to please keep it a secret. Most of the time, the crown will find out in advance if a person is there or not, but there's still the occasional 'someone who got away' before the award could be presented. I had hoped this announcement in the Pikestaff (newsletter) regarding the presentation of all scrolls in court would include the use of a table, as mentioned previously and is used in some other locales / Kingdoms, however, to date, I haven't seen anything of the sort. Usually I wind up having to squint from afar and make out little bits of shiny gold or silver here and there, or walk somewhere near the recipient just to see the full image, in the case of the larger courts (especially the ones held in gymnasiums...). A table would be a great idea, IF the recipient was willing to part company with their scroll for an hour or two afterward (IE during feast in some cases), and also if the recipient could remember to pick up their scroll after the display is done.... But as in most cases, insofar as the care of a scroll after the giving goes... It hurts to see someone neglect or mistreat something someone else spent hours of work on, but at that point, it becomes their property, and is their fault if they mess it up... I would say if they got a scroll spoiled by just tossing it in the back seat of their car with whatever stinky gym shoes, muddy boots, or sharp equipment they had, and *then* expected the scribe who made the scroll for them to *fix* it, then to be quite honest, they can go jump in a lake. But again, that's just mho. Most people *aren't* like that. (Thank goodness.) - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island "The dog ate my assignment..." ;) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:40:18 -0500 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls - Muppet Show Clarification & Monetary Value Lady Kayleigh wrote: > And even print shops and calligraphers aren't cheap. There's a guide out > there on the suggested pricings of all forms of artwork, from calligraphy and > illumination, and wedding invites, to corporate logo and web design. The book > is a Guide to Ethics and Pricing, drawn up by the Graphic Artists' Guild.... The exact title is "Pricing and Ethical Guidelines." Someone mentioned taking 40-50 hours for a scroll. In the mundane world that's $2,400 to $3,000 - plus materials. Just now I'm collaborating on a book on vellum. The other guy gets all the fun, designing and illuminating (he's the one who has the commission) and I'm just doing the boring text - a list of who paid for what in a church. I'm getting $3.00 per name for about 400 names in plain undecorated bookhand. Corinna Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:42:42 -0500 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls Greetings Gwendoline et al: Include a presentation container of some sort with the scroll. It may not be authentic, but something along the lines of a diploma case that looks good enough to be used in court for the presentation would insure some protection. As for display at competitions, I suggest a shallow pelixiglass-topped display case or at least a sheet of heavy acetate over the scroll. Once again, not authentic, but then, neither is putting a mug on the scroll. An illiterate medieval knight might not have valued the scroll but he'd at least have known that the gold and vellum cost a bundle. Corinna Midrealm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwendoline Rosamond" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: inconsideration of our work Re: [scribes]: re:scrolls > Greetings, > > At 09:00 AM 8/29/2001 -0400, BRNDALSTON@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 8/28/2001 12:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >KMcWhyte@aol.com writes: > > > > > >>Most of the people I know only go to court when they think they know someone > >>they're familiar with may get an award. It's sad, in a sense, considering > >>that there's a lot of work put into the awards and we don't get to see them > >>all the time. A court pressed for time fairly recently took one of my best > >>works, held it in the air for all of a nanosecond, and then passed it into > >>the hands of a representative for the recipient (who was not there). > > > > > >I know how you feel. That has happened to me a few times through the years. > >The worst thing I saw is a scroll I did laying on top of a shield with two > >rattan swords laying on top of it in the car just before the recipient went > >home. That made me mad enough that I went and said something to the guy. He > >had no idea that the scroll was handmade and that I had spent three weeks of > >my spare time working on it. He was very sorry that he treated it that way > >and appologized profusely. Still, it was very disappointing to see my work > >totally messed up like that by someone who didn't care at all about having a > >scroll. > > I too know how you feel. I had entered a scroll in our Kingdom Arts & > Sciences competition. At one point I was walking by the table and found > that someone had put their mug ON my scroll. I was mad enough to chew > nails and I was never able to find out who did it!!!! Just out of > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? > > Cheers, > Gwendoline > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mercurio Ekaterin Subject: [scribes]: Re: inconsideration of our work --- Dear Gentles, Scribing is indeed an immensely rewarding and sometimes frustrating past-time as recognition remain difficult for there is no permanent gallery and web-sites offer mere passable facsimilies... > curiosity, does anyone have solutions for dealing with this sort of thing? While far from any solution, I wonder perhaps the recipient ought be contacted first to assure their committment to preserving someone else's 'blood and sweat' before any original scroll is done. And that any Gentles whom cannot be bothered or do not care to own an original piece be assigned pre-prints instead (or in the extreme case of irreverence, back to the back of the pile, buddy). That perhaps our community of scribes, as a whole, may 'campaign' to Royals and general Populace for greater appreciation and respect, to the same degree that original artworks/crafts are esteemed in mundane society. It is disheartening to witness our enthusiasm dimmed by inconsideration. Yet in my humble view, it is within our powers to effect some changes in public opinion, however small, from the nearest shire to the farthest kingdom. Your servant, M. Ekaterin =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:49:09 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Graphic Artists' Guild Book To all who were interested... The G.A.G. book I mentioned earlier is: "Graphic Artists Guild Pricing & Ethical Guidelines" 9th Ed. ISBN 0-932 102-09-3 **This book is updated every three years. 9th Ed. is from 1997, so there's probably a 10th Ed. out....** This book includes talent databases as well as the resources, copies of legal forms inside for freelancers in subfields of graphic design (there is a separate book for other legal forms), as well as the suggested pricings and means of handling transactions when creating works for sale (as a freelancer or as a company). P. 185 marks the section where Lettering and typeface design begins, where the hourly rates for lettering and calligraphy is, incl. Ketubot pieces, etc etc. It's definitely worth looking at. Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Martha Palotay Subject: [scribes]: Question for Caid scribes Greetings, The recent discussions included mention of the standard wording for scrolls in Caid, and the Caid scribes handbook. I could not find either of these on www.sca-caid.org (or anywhere else that Google can reach, for that matter). Am I searching wrong, or is this stuff not on the web? Martha Shire of Darach, Caid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheryl McClanahan Subject: Re: [scribes]: comments - --0-1548742317-999129765=:96306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone ever do traditional tales??? I would like to be like the scribes who wrote down the traditional tales of the local people. Cheryl - Vallejo Helen Schultz wrote: Welcome, Richard. Where do you live?? You can first go to http://www.sca.org to find the geographic area nearest you, and then search further down until you find a local group. Once you have done this, you can introduce yourself to that local group and to the Kingdom Signet of the particular kingdom your group is a part of (sorry for ending the sentence with a preposition, but I couldn't think of another way to say that.) We try to emulate Medieval techniques used in manuscripts for our scribal works, like Books of Hours, Bibles, Psalters, etc. Some of us really like to do the deep research, and others the look. Good luck. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://www.netusa1.net/~meistern (which will soon be changing to http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin -- only the main page is up at the moment at this new site) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" > I am very new to this list and have been "lurking" for a little while now. > I am a professional calligrapher and would like to know how one becomes a > Scribe for the SCA. > > Thanks! > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Does anyone ever do traditional tales???  I would like to be like the scribes who wrote down the traditional tales of the local people. 

Cheryl - Vallejo

  Helen Schultz <meisterin@comteck.com> wrote:

Welcome, Richard.

Where do you live?? You can first go to http://www.sca.org to find the
geographic area nearest you, and then search further down until you find a local
group. Once you have done this, you can introduce yourself to that local group
and to the Kingdom Signet of the particular kingdom your group is a part of
(sorry for ending the sentence with a preposition, but I couldn't think of
another way to say that.)

We try to emulate Medieval techniques used in manuscripts for our scribal works,
like Books of Hours, Bibles, Psalters, etc. Some of us really like to do the
deep research, and others the look.

Good luck.

Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana)
Middle Kingdom
http://www.netusa1.net/~meistern (which will soon be changing to
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin -- only the main page is up at the moment at
this new site)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard"


> I am very new to this list and have been "lurking" for a little while now.
> I am a professional calligrapher and would like to know how one becomes a
> Scribe for the SCA.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. - --0-1548742317-999129765=:96306-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:34:05 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: comments This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C130C1.907CBD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cheryl, Scribes can do whatever they like... scrolls for courts (sometimes with = "canned" wording, sometimes without), Books of Hours (for competitions = and fun) or parts thereof, and tales/poetry. I think your idea is a = great one and worth pursuing. =20 KHvS ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cheryl McClanahan=20 To: scribes@castle.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: comments Does anyone ever do traditional tales??? I would like to be like the = scribes who wrote down the traditional tales of the local people. =20 Cheryl - Vallejo=20 Helen Schultz wrote:=20 Welcome, Richard. Where do you live?? You can first go to http://www.sca.org to find = the geographic area nearest you, and then search further down until you = find a local group. Once you have done this, you can introduce yourself to that = local group and to the Kingdom Signet of the particular kingdom your group is a = part of (sorry for ending the sentence with a preposition, but I couldn't = think of another way to say that.) We try to emulate Medieval techniques used in manuscripts for our = scribal works, like Books of Hours, Bibles, Psalters, etc. Some of us really like = to do the deep research, and others the look. Good luck. Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom http://www.netusa1.net/~meistern (which will soon be changing to http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin -- only the mai! n page is up at = the moment at this new site) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard"=20 > I am very new to this list and have been "lurking" for a little = while now. > I am a professional calligrapher and would like to know how one = becomes a > Scribe for the SCA. > > Thanks! > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe from this list, send email to=20 with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! = Messenger. - ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C130C1.907CBD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cheryl,
 
Scribes can do whatever they like... = scrolls for=20 courts (sometimes with "canned" wording, sometimes without), Books of = Hours (for=20 competitions and fun) or parts thereof, and tales/poetry.  I think = your=20 idea is a great one and worth pursuing. 
 
KHvS
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cheryl = McClanahan=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, = 2001 7:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: [scribes]: = comments

Does anyone ever do traditional tales???  I would like to be = like the=20 scribes who wrote down the traditional tales of the local = people. =20

Cheryl - Vallejo=20

  Helen Schultz <meisterin@comteck.com>=20 wrote:=20 Welcome,=20 Richard.

Where do you live?? You can first go to http://www.sca.org to find = the
geographic=20 area nearest you, and then search further down until you find a=20 local
group. Once you have done this, you can introduce yourself = to that=20 local group
and to the Kingdom Signet of the particular kingdom = your=20 group is a part of
(sorry for ending the sentence with a = preposition, but=20 I couldn't think of
another way to say that.)

We try to = emulate=20 Medieval techniques used in manuscripts for our scribal = works,
like Books=20 of Hours, Bibles, Psalters, etc. Some of us really like to do = the
deep=20 research, and others the look.

Good luck.

Meisterin = Katarina=20 Helene von Schoenborn, OL
Shire of Narrental (Peru, = Indiana)
Middle=20 Kingdom
http://www.netusa1.net/~meistern (which will soon be = changing=20 to
http://ww1.comteck.com/~meisterin -- only the mai! n page is = up at the=20 moment at
this new site)

----- Original Message = - -----
From:=20 "Richard"


> I am very = new to=20 this list and have been "lurking" for a little while now.
> I = am a=20 professional calligrapher and would like to know how one becomes = a
>=20 Scribe for the SCA.
>
>=20 = Thanks!
>

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