From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V6 #20 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, August 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 020 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: One more thing Re: [scribes]: One more thing Re: [scribes]: One more thing Re: [scribes]: OP scavenger hunt [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Fwd: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:35:56 -0400 From: Patresha Zeoli-Roehre Subject: [scribes]: One more thing OOPS one more thing on the manuscript Leaf Dont let them Dry Mount it. That will devalue the piece and could cause damage to the vellum. If they suggest it, please trust me, dont do it. GenRose - -- Lady Geniveve Rose D'Glendalough (AKA GenRose) Deputy to Pentamere Regional Minister of Children Baronial Childrens' Guild Leader of Andelcrag Canton of Three Walls - Middle Kingdom Head of House Shadow Dragon ICQ# 51429722 (LadyGenRose) AOL LdyGenRose Yahoo IM LadyGenRose =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:27:07 -0700 From: dafoxx Subject: Re: [scribes]: One more thing NEVER EVER dry mount vellum or any collectible "print"... YIKES.... What you want is called "museum mounting"... There are several different ways to do it too. I do a hinge mount with acid free tapes personally. Acid free mats are a great thing too and, as in prints and other paper collectibles, keep them out of direct sunlight. Nabila officer of propaganda - Barony of Blatha an Oir http://www.blathaanoir.org At 1:35 PM -0400 8/25/01, Patresha Zeoli-Roehre wrote: >OOPS one more thing on the manuscript Leaf > >Dont let them Dry Mount it. That will devalue the piece and could cause >damage to the vellum. If they suggest it, please trust me, dont do it. > >GenRose > >-- >Lady Geniveve Rose D'Glendalough (AKA GenRose) >Deputy to Pentamere Regional Minister of Children >Baronial Childrens' Guild Leader of Andelcrag >Canton of Three Walls - Middle Kingdom >Head of House Shadow Dragon >ICQ# 51429722 (LadyGenRose) >AOL LdyGenRose >Yahoo IM LadyGenRose >=================================================================== >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to >with a blank Subject: line and >unsubscribe scribes >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in >the body. - -- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:43:01 -0500 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: One more thing If there's writing on both sides, it can be sandwiched between two mats and framed in a reversible frame so you can see both sides by turning the frame over. Corinna - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dafoxx" To: "scribes" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: One more thing > NEVER EVER dry mount vellum or any collectible "print"... YIKES.... > What you want is called "museum mounting"... There are several > different ways to do it too. I do a hinge mount with acid free tapes > personally. Acid free mats are a great thing too and, as in prints > and other paper collectibles, keep them out of direct sunlight. > > Nabila > officer of propaganda - Barony of Blatha an Oir > http://www.blathaanoir.org > > > > > > At 1:35 PM -0400 8/25/01, Patresha Zeoli-Roehre wrote: > >OOPS one more thing on the manuscript Leaf > > > >Dont let them Dry Mount it. That will devalue the piece and could cause > >damage to the vellum. If they suggest it, please trust me, dont do it. > > > >GenRose > > > >-- > >Lady Geniveve Rose D'Glendalough (AKA GenRose) > >Deputy to Pentamere Regional Minister of Children > >Baronial Childrens' Guild Leader of Andelcrag > >Canton of Three Walls - Middle Kingdom > >Head of House Shadow Dragon > >ICQ# 51429722 (LadyGenRose) > >AOL LdyGenRose > >Yahoo IM LadyGenRose > >=================================================================== > >To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > >with a blank Subject: line and > >unsubscribe scribes > >in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > >the body. > > > -- > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheryl McClanahan Subject: Re: [scribes]: OP scavenger hunt - --0-1771904458-998802443=:8728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have one more question for the list: for those who have made their own vellum/parchment, I was wondering what your experiences might be with using deer and elk skins for making vellum/parchment? And what peoples' experiences might be with calligraphing and painting on deer or elk? ------- Can anyone suggest books on making your own vellum/parchment??? I would like to start. I have some deer hides right now. Cheryl - Vallejo Catie Helm-Clark wrote: I need some vellum I'd like a lot of vellum actually you see, my scribal partner in crime and I are seriously thinking about making a short book, so we'd like to make or purchase vellum, make our own period pigments, pens, ink, mordant, backing boards, leather dye, etc but without the vellum, we're not going to get anywhere quickly, and we'd like to be done by mid-april of 2002 (we're looking at a local contest to enter this in, which is in earliest May) So, if folks have good sources for purchasing vellum/parchment, I'm all ears. If you have a good source, could you let me know. Now, before everyone says "Master Balderick!", let me just say that I already have his contact info. I'm looking to expand my base of vellum sources, because sometimes Rick is out of stock. Also, if people on this list sell vellum as SCA merchants, and are going to be at Pennsic, it'd be a big help to me if you'd drop me a line. I'm actually going to get to Pennsic for the first time in 6 years, and if people have vellum in stock at their SCA merchant booths at Pennsic, I'd be very interested in knowing where you'll be set up so I could look ever your stuff. I have one more question for the list: for those who have made their own vellum/parchment, I was wondering what your experiences might be with using deer and elk skins for making vellum/parchment? And what peoples' experiences might be with calligraphing and painting on deer or elk? thanks in advance Therasia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. - --0-1771904458-998802443=:8728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I have one more question for the list:  for those who have made their own vellum/parchment,
I was wondering what your experiences might be with using deer and elk skins for making
vellum/parchment?  And what peoples' experiences might be with calligraphing and painting
on deer or elk?  -------  Can anyone suggest books on making your own vellum/parchment???  I would like to start.  I have some deer hides right now.

Cheryl - Vallejo  

Catie Helm-Clark <no1home@onewest.net> wrote:


I need some vellum
I'd like a lot of vellum actually
you see, my scribal partner in crime and I are seriously thinking about
making a short book,
so we'd like to make or purchase vellum, make our own period pigments,
pens, ink, mordant,
backing boards, leather dye, etc

but without the vellum, we're not going to get anywhere quickly, and
we'd like to be done by
mid-april of 2002 (we're looking at a local contest to enter this in,
which is in earliest May)

So, if folks have good sources for purchasing vellum/parchment, I'm all
ears. If you have
a good source, could you let me know. Now, before everyone says "Master
Balderick!", let
me just say that I already have his contact info. I'm looking to expand
my base of vellum
sources, because sometimes Rick is out of stock.

Also, if people on this list sell vellum as SCA merchants, and are going
to be at Pennsic, it'd
be a big help to me if you'd drop me a line. I'm actually going to get
to Pennsic for the first
time in 6 years, and if people have vellum in stock at their SCA
merchant booths at Pennsic,
I'd be very interested in knowing where you'll be set up so I could look
ever your stuff.

I have one more question for the list: for those who have made their
own vellum/parchment,
I was wondering what your experiences might be with using deer and elk
skins for making
vellum/parchment? And what peoples' experiences might be with
calligraphing and painting
on deer or elk?

thanks in advance
Therasia
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Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. - --0-1771904458-998802443=:8728-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:21:40 EDT From: CarynvnK@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Greetings, everyone: The following is not a slam or an attempt to belittle someone. I have a serious question, and I would like, if possible, a serious and not-defensive answer. Thanks. Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt said: > My favorite wording was for an AoA scroll done to theme of the Muppet Show! > I would love to do something like that in our Kingdom. My question is, why would someone want to do that, or something similar? What place does it have in a medieval court? (remember, I would really like to know.) Maybe, having just stepped down as Queen, I am a little sensitive to what goes on in court. On the other hand, at one of our courts, we were presented with an item of business, "there's a back scroll to be presented." So, OK, we presented the back scroll. We hadn't seen it before. Our herald started reading it, and every single name and title in it had the "name game" cr*p attached ("banana fana fo" et cetera). Of course, most of the populace was rolling on the floor by the time he was done, but any ambience we might have had was out the window. How do people feel about this? Is humor more important than ambience? Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny? What proportions are appropriate? I am very interested in people's opinions. Thank you Caryn Artemisia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:27:01 -0600 From: anorathepain@juno.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) Wow you bring up a very good point. And I admit that there is no easy answer. 1. There are lots of people in the SCA who have no theatrical sense (read this both ways..Humor can go wrong and something dramatic can come off as boring) 2. I have heard of courts lasting over 3 hours without a break. (I can sometimes sit that long for a movie but court? And just try to get my silent herald to hold up after the first hour!) 3. Several courts are difficult to hear and by using something familiar, the name game, muppet theme, it becomes easier to follow along and fill in anything you miss 4. It also depends on the person receiving the scroll, I for one am a comedian so a humorous scroll is fitting for me but some one who is very serious it would not be appropriate and it would not have the desired affect on the populace. I do not favor Ambience over humor but I do feel there is the right time and place for both out here in the Outlands if we fight all day in the heat and have a court at the end of the day when we are all tired all I want is it to be short and sweet. Humor does work here to help in the winding down process. At Candlemas where long courts are expected and there is candlelight in a great hall then yes ambience is fitting From research into courts in period I do not get the feeling all courts were dignified. In fact most of the things we cover in court would have been done privately or on the field of battle. One of the few things we have forgotten in the SCA is that we are a modern audience. Our attention spans are not quite what they use to be. Could you stand throughout a performance of Romeo and Juliet and not be distracted or bored or anxious? In period people had to stand and watch LONG plays often. I think the only time I would say no to humor is if it is inappropriate/offensive/low brow. But at the same time this is not "who's line is it anyway?" Frankly we do not tap the resources of those who have mundane theatrical skills enough. Of course I am biased being a actor myself. But I have sat though several courts that were all pomp and circumstance I could not here the crowns and the herald had a horrible voice that just grates on you. I was bored out of my mind! People come to the SCA for many reasons, Many just want to come to play, so if all courts all the time were straight laced and proper I feel that would take away from the social and fun atmosphere we try to create Does this make sense? is there some point I need to expand on? Questions? Just my two cents. Anora de Maledisant ~Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus~ ~Never Tickle Sleeping Dragons~ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:39:26 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) I think it all depends on the person whether or not a humourous scroll would be appropriate or not. Some folks would be put off by receiving something like that, others would be delighted that someone made them a funny scroll. So it all depends on how well you know the person - are they the more serious type or someone known to be funny? I know of several friends of mine who would roar with laughter if I made them a funny scroll since they are known comedic types. I can think of one person in particular (one of my Household sisters) who is one of the most outrageously funny people it is my pleasure to know. If it was ever my honour to do a scroll for her, you bet your bottom dollar that I'd make something funny for her, since it's her natural inclination to be a real wit. Then there are those of us who are the more serious types. I tend to be known as one of those people. If someone did something funny for me, I wouldn't be offended or anything, but I do appreciate something more along the ceremonial side of things. It's just my nature and I am assured that most folks who know me know what I am like for the most part. In fact, many folks tell me to "lighten up!" (I'm trying - honest!) But I've long loved pomp and ceremony since it does evoke the atmosphere we associate with the Middle Ages (whether or not it really happened that way all the time, it's the fantasy we like to create since the SCA tends to be largely based on the Victorian ideal of the Chivalric Middle Ages). One person who seems to excell at funny scrolls that actually look so period that you have to do a double take is Master Christofano. The first thing I ever saw of his was the illuminated "Where the Wild Things Are", done in an absolutely perfect 14th century Northern French style. I was completely charmed and amazed by it since it was so faithful to the period style. He also did a children's award scroll written in perfect Dr. Seuss rhyme and rhythm, done, once again, in faithful 14th century Northern French style with little Dr. Seuss drolleries. I was, again, charmed and amazed at this and felt that for a child, such a thing would be completely appropriate, since what child doesn't like Dr. Seuss? In situations like these, I see nothing wrong with doing something like that. Just my 2¢ on the subject! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:50:16 EDT From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) While I do appreciate the historical sense of the court, I also very much agree with the fact that courts DO tend to become very long after a bit, and the crown or their scribes here in East will sometimes make some attempt at breaking up the monotony of an 'unending' court with humor to keep those of us in the crowd who are there for fun interested in staying. And when it ceases to be fun, we just don't go.... I attended a fully medieval Japanese court at Pennsic War this summer in EK court -- the first time I had ever seen one of these performed, so of course I was interested. I would have gone regardless of whether or not there was an AoA involved (which there turned out to be), and even without much scribal or crown humor (this was supposed to be a somber and serious court, which it was, save for the kimono I was deliberately wearing) it was very well staged, and well-attended. The fact of the matter is that I also do not favor Ambience over humor, and will ASK the Signet in advance of creating the scroll if a humorous scroll is appropriate -- I have only done two humorous wordings, and more than a few whimsical maginalia, in my brief career as a scribe in the SCA. However, I will ask only if I am not already personally familiar with the recipient -- I discovered on my own that I knew the recipient of the scroll I did for 12th Night very well, and thus the telling of how she achieved the name Childslayer was related in humorous form in the court (as how it was achieved WAS humorous) to prevent behind-the-scenes P.C. whispering. Humor in scrolls can be a good thing, and can be a bad thing... All in all, you use your best judgement, keeping in mind that although we are a medieval group, we are working with mundane needs and have very human desires to contend with in our attention span -- for example, nobody likes a court that extends two hours into when feast is to begin, or wants to continue sitting outdoors for very long when the temperature is 99F (Southern Region War Camp, Eisental, 1999) and there's a *pool* just beyond eyesight of the court... Injecting a little humor into the court through scribing, roleplaying, or wit in general would not necessarily take from the medieval atmosphere, imho, so long as the court does not entirely center on *one* particular item. Not all the kings and queens we have had are humorous, and not all the scribes we have in the East are humorous. Either way, the Muppet Show scroll proved itself to be clever, inventive, and still beautiful, while still retaining a medieval look to it. It's not a requirement to be humorous, but the work remained medieval-looking in its own right. I understand the need for periodicity, but there comes a point when most of us need to unwind, relax, and remember that this is just a big game. Everyone has their own opinion on what medievalism is, whether it involves being humorous by modern means or not. (my .02 pence...) - --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) E.Frank, Long Island NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:36:51 EDT From: EStavash@cs.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) - --part1_147.8590c8.28ba8db3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having read several responses to Her Excellency's question, it seems to me that everyone who has posted is making an unspoken assumption, which is that humor can't be period. I think most of us fall into this way of thinking on occasion, probably because the vast majority of the funny things we've seen or heard in our lives happen to be modern. However, a quick review of period literature (Shakespeare comes to mind) shows that people were making jokes, from simple puns to elaborate stories, in every time and culture. Some of the funniest jokes and stories I have heard in the Society have been either documentably period or period in style. As others have pointed out, much of the humor depends on the skill of the storyteller, and this is true whether the story is period or modern. I think the problem is not humor in court (a little humor in the right places can enhance the mood, not break it) but modern things in court. I will admit to adding some modern visual puns to certain scrolls I have illuminated, but in such a way that they were hopefully only visible to the recipient. However, when blatantly modern words are spoken in court, it is difficult for me, and I think most others, to suspend disbelief and really feel that the court is Medieval. This is not to say that there is no place for modern humor about, or in the context of, the SCA. I would love to have or make a Muppet scroll, to be privately presented and laughed over, which I would happily hang on the wall of my modern living room. I would love to hear a good filk song to a blatantly modern tune at an after-revel or online. Such modern jokes about our hobby really are funny, and they have a place in our modern lives. I personally think that such things in court make it difficult for me to stay in a Medieval frame of mind. Elyn Artemisia - --part1_147.8590c8.28ba8db3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having read several responses to Her Excellency's question, it seems to me
that everyone who has posted is making an unspoken assumption, which is that
humor can't be period. I think most of us fall into this way of thinking on
occasion, probably because the vast majority of the funny things we've seen
or heard in our lives happen to be modern.

However, a quick review of period literature (Shakespeare comes to mind)
shows that people were making jokes, from simple puns to elaborate stories,
in every time and culture.  Some of the funniest jokes and stories I have
heard in the Society have been either documentably period or period in style.
 As others have pointed out, much of the humor depends on the skill of the
storyteller, and this is true whether the story is period or modern.

I think the problem is not humor in court (a little humor in the right places
can enhance the mood, not break it) but modern things in court.  I will admit
to adding some modern visual puns to certain scrolls I have illuminated, but
in such a way that they were hopefully only visible to the recipient.
However,  when blatantly modern words are spoken in court, it is difficult
for me, and I think most others, to suspend disbelief and really feel that
the court is Medieval.

This is not to say that there is no place for modern humor about, or in the
context of, the SCA. I would love to have or make a Muppet scroll, to be
privately presented and laughed over, which I would happily hang on the wall
of my modern living room. I would love to hear a good filk song to a
blatantly modern tune at an after-revel or online. Such modern jokes about
our hobby really are funny, and they have a place in our modern lives. I
personally think that such things in court make it difficult for me to stay
in a Medieval frame of mind.

Elyn
Artemisia - --part1_147.8590c8.28ba8db3_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:50:12 -0700 From: "Laura F. Jenkins" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) I have no problem at all with humorous scrolls provided that the scribe knows that the recipient will enjoy and appreciate it. On the other hand, (and this veers into off topic I think) the monarchs have a perfect right not to be surprised in their own court. They need to be informed in advance if a scroll is going to disturb the mood of the court they are setting. It's interesting, though, from an anthropology standpoint that the Kingdom I am in (Caid) doesn't have the text of backlog scrolls read in court (then again, we have very few scrolls that are original texts, most of ours follow the set wordings in the scroll text booklet). cheers, aliskye Lyondemere, Caid CarynvnK@aol.com wrote: > Greetings, everyone: > The following is not a slam or an attempt to belittle someone. I have a > serious question, and I would like, if possible, a serious and not-defensive > answer. Thanks. > > Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt said: > > My favorite wording was for an AoA scroll done to theme of the Muppet Show! > > > I would love to do something like that in our Kingdom. > > My question is, why would someone want to do that, or something similar? > What place does it have in a medieval court? (remember, I would really like > to know.) Maybe, having just stepped down as Queen, I am a little sensitive > to what goes on in court. On the other hand, at one of our courts, we were > presented with an item of business, "there's a back scroll to be presented." > So, OK, we presented the back scroll. We hadn't seen it before. Our herald > started reading it, and every single name and title in it had the "name game" > cr*p attached ("banana fana fo" et cetera). Of course, most of the populace > was rolling on the floor by the time he was done, but any ambience we might > have had was out the window. > > How do people feel about this? Is humor more important than ambience? > Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny? What > proportions are appropriate? I am very interested in people's opinions. > Thank you > Caryn > Artemisia > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:24:15 EDT From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_alt_boundary" - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/2001 9:09:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BRNDALSTON writes: > In a message dated 8/26/2001 1:22:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > CarynvnK@aol.com writes: > > > >> How do people feel about this? Is humor more important than ambience? >> Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny? >> What >> proportions are appropriate? I am very interested in people's opinions. >> Thank you >> Caryn >> Artemisia >> > > I think there should be a balance between humor and seriousness during > court. If court is not somewhat entertaining, and all business, then people > will not want to sit through it and will find it boring. It takes the right > Herald, however, to know when to be serious and when to get away with a > little "schtick". > > As to what goes on the scroll, that really is up to the scribe and the > recipient. One of the members of our barony got a scroll with the Winnie > the Pooh characters on it. He just loved it. The scribe knew him, and knew > that he liked Pooh and that made it the perfect scroll for him. This scroll > was the winner in our Scrivenor Royal competition a couple of years ago and > was done quite tastefully. So there can be a time and a place for such > modern intrustions. As Royalty, you are the one to decide if that place is > in your court or not. It is up to you, because it will affect the image you > are trying to present as the "Royal Presence". (As an aside, I live with > the Kingdom Herald of Atlantia, and your Herald should have warned you, > seen and read the scroll, before the court started and then let you decide > if you wanted to do it. It could have been presented privately, or without > reading the actual wording if you had known ahead of time. Part of the > Herald's job is to screen and inform the Royalty of the business the > populace wants to do in Their court.) > > Just my two cents worth, having experience from the Herald end, as well as > the Scribe end and being involved in the process in many Royal Courts in > Atlantia. > Brandy > - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/2001 9:09:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BRNDALSTON
writes:


In a message dated 8/26/2001 1:22:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CarynvnK@aol.com writes:


How do people feel about this?  Is humor more important than ambience?  
Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny?  
What
proportions are appropriate?  I am very interested in people's opinions.
Thank you
Caryn
Artemisia


I think there should be a balance between humor and seriousness during
court. If court is not somewhat entertaining, and all business, then people
will not want to sit through it and will find it boring. It takes the right
Herald, however, to know when to be serious and when to get away with a
little "schtick".  

As to what goes on the scroll, that really is up to the scribe and the
recipient. One of the members of our barony got a scroll with the Winnie
the Pooh characters on it. He  just loved it. The scribe knew him, and knew
that he liked Pooh and that made it the perfect scroll for him. This scroll
was the winner in our Scrivenor Royal competition a couple of years ago and
was done quite tastefully. So there can be a time and a place for such
modern intrustions. As Royalty, you are the one to decide if that place is
in your court or not. It is up to you, because it will affect the image you
are trying to present as the "Royal Presence". (As an aside, I live with
the Kingdom Herald of Atlantia, and your Herald should have warned you,
seen and read the scroll, before the court started and then let you decide
if you wanted to do it. It could have been presented privately, or without
reading the actual wording if you had known ahead of time. Part of the
Herald's job is to screen and inform the Royalty of the business the
populace wants to do in Their court.)

Just my two cents worth, having experience from the Herald end, as well as
the Scribe end and being involved in the process in many Royal Courts in
Atlantia.
Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift)


 - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_alt_boundary-- - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Full-name: BRNDALSTON Message-ID: <149.93300f.28bba093@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:09:39 EDT Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: humorous scrolls (warning--small rant enclosed) To: CarynvnK@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_129.3b4f5ae.28bba093_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 - --part2_129.3b4f5ae.28bba093_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2001 1:22:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CarynvnK@aol.com writes: > How do people feel about this? Is humor more important than ambience? > Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny? What > proportions are appropriate? I am very interested in people's opinions. > Thank you > Caryn > Artemisia > I think there should be a balance between humor and seriousness during court. If court is not somewhat entertaining, and all business, then people will not want to sit through it and will find it boring. It takes the right Herald, however, to know when to be serious and when to get away with a little "schtick". As to what goes on the scroll, that really is up to the scribe and the recipient. One of the members of our barony got a scroll with the Winnie the Pooh characters on it. He just loved it. The scribe knew him, and knew that he liked Pooh and that made it the perfect scroll for him. This scroll was the winner in our Scrivenor Royal competition a couple of years ago and was done quite tastefully. So there can be a time and a place for such modern intrustions. As Royalty, you are the one to decide if that place is in your court or not. It is up to you, because it will affect the image you are trying to present as the "Royal Presence". (As an aside, I live with the Kingdom Herald of Atlantia, and your Herald should have warned you, seen and read the scroll, before the court started and then let you decide if you wanted to do it. It could have been presented privately, or without reading the actual wording if you had known ahead of time. Part of the Herald's job is to screen and inform the Royalty of the business the populace wants to do in Their court.) Just my two cents worth, having experience from the Herald end, as well as the Scribe end and being involved in the process in many Royal Courts in Atlantia. Brandy (Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift) - --part2_129.3b4f5ae.28bba093_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/26/2001 1:22:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CarynvnK@aol.com writes:


How do people feel about this?  Is humor more important than ambience?  
Should court be dignified and ceremonial, or should it just be funny?  What
proportions are appropriate?  I am very interested in people's opinions.
Thank you
Caryn
Artemisia


I think there should be a balance between humor and seriousness during court.
If court is not somewhat entertaining, and all business, then people will not
want to sit through it and will find it boring. It takes the right Herald,
however, to know when to be serious and when to get away with a little
"schtick".  

As to what goes on the scroll, that really is up to the scribe and the
recipient. One of the members of our barony got a scroll with the Winnie the
Pooh characters on it. He  just loved it. The scribe knew him, and knew that
he liked Pooh and that made it the perfect scroll for him. This scroll was
the winner in our Scrivenor Royal competition a couple of years ago and was
done quite tastefully. So there can be a time and a place for such modern
intrustions. As Royalty, you are the one to decide if that place is in your
court or not. It is up to you, because it will affect the image you are
trying to present as the "Royal Presence". (As an aside, I live with the
Kingdom Herald of Atlantia, and your Herald should have warned you, seen and
read the scroll, before the court started and then let you decide if you
wanted to do it. It could have been presented privately, or without reading
the actual wording if you had known ahead of time. Part of the Herald's job
is to screen and inform the Royalty of the business the populace wants to do
in Their court.)

Just my two cents worth, having experience from the Herald end, as well as
the Scribe end and being involved in the process in many Royal Courts in
Atlantia.
Brandy
(Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift) - --part2_129.3b4f5ae.28bba093_boundary-- - --part1_129.3b4f5ae.28bba3ff_boundary-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V6 #20 ****************************