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 [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (short)
 [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Introduction
 [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering-Mostly OT, but I gotta share
 Re: [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)
 Re: [scribes]: Introduction
 Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering-Mostly OT, but I gotta share
 Fwd: [scribes]:Gulf Wars Scribal Gathering?
 [scribes]: Caring for a manuscript leaf?

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:01:04 EDT
From: SWRDBABE@aol.com
Subject: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)

To all unable to attend the Known World Scribal Gathering at Pennsic, I would like to tell you for a first timer it was wonderful!  

At first I was afraid to show my work but then I did, and everyone was oohing and aahing over each others work.  It was great! There were tips, hints and suggestions shared that was much appreciated by all.  Thank you again to the Ladies from Australia for the Vellumteen (I think thats what it was called) I can't wait to try it out.  

I'm from Atlantia and saw one other from my Kingdom and met many from all over the world.  I really liked seeing how scrolls vary in styles, formats and even sometimes in wording from Kingdom to Kingdom.  My favorite wording was for an AoA scroll done to theme of the Muppet Show!  I would love to do something like that in our Kingdom.

As I return to working on Our Kingdom's backlog, My scribal cats, Trisket and Akai and I wish you peaceful penmanship and beautiful brushstrokes,

Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt

(PS. The niblets were absolutely to die for!)
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:12:35 -0700
From: Carolyn_Richardson@prosystemfx.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)

<sigh>  I wish I had been able to make it to the scribal gathering on
Wednesday, but that was the day we had to leave.

I did get an invite to the Aethelmearc scribe's gathering on Tuesday,
though, and that was lovely.  Christofano had invited me along.  Got to see
some lovely work by the Aethelmearc folks, and it just makes me wish even
more that I could shed the mantle of this corporate office and get back to
doing more scrolls.  I'm going to try and get one started here shortly but
since I'm still trying to get about 8 other things done for the exchequer's
office I'll have to see how things play out.

Can someone invent a 30 hour day for me?

Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid


"Oh Bother," said the Borg.  "We've assimilated Pooh."

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:11:38 EDT
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (short)

Hey all....

I had a great time at both the EK scribes party and the Mid/Knowne Worlde 
scribes party... Unfortunately due to trying to do too many things at once at 
War this year, I didn't get to stick around to see everyone's work at either 
gathering, but it WAS great to finally put faces to names, and oggle the 
pulchritudnous portfolios. ;)

It's been a long, strange War for me... I hope everyone had a good time too.
Happy scribing, and hope to meet everyone I didn't bump into this War at 
upcoming events.


- --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East)
(The only person crazy enough to wear a plaid kimono to EK court) ;)

E.Frank, Long Island, NY
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:09:12 -0400
From: "D Humberson" <dhumbers@hotmail.com>
Subject: [scribes]: Introduction

Greetings to the list.

My name is Ragnar Ketilsson, and it is my great privilege to reside in the 
Barony Marche of the Debateable Lands in the Sylvan Kingdom of Aethelmearc.

I am a very new wannabe, who has discovered that smearing paint on paper is 
fun, and gluing wisps of gold to paper is fun, ond so on.  I very much look 
forward to enjoying each day's step of this new journey, and am keeping a 
log just to remind myself of where I've been.

Good fortune attend you all,
Ragnar Ketilsson

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:04:19 -0500
From: "Margareta vanden Velde" <margareta@skraeling.sca.org>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction

Hello Ragnar!

Did I meet you at the advanced scribal workshop at War? Did you enjoy it?  I
thought most of the days were very useful.  I learned so much about gilding
in two hours that I thought my head was going to explode.

(boom) oops....

Margareta vanden Velde
Barony of Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere

- ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: [scribes]: Introduction


> Greetings to the list.
>
> My name is Ragnar Ketilsson, and it is my great privilege to reside in the
> Barony Marche of the Debateable Lands in the Sylvan Kingdom of
Aethelmearc.
>
> I am a very new wannabe, who has discovered that smearing paint on paper
is
> fun, and gluing wisps of gold to paper is fun, ond so on.  I very much
look
> forward to enjoying each day's step of this new journey, and am keeping a
> log just to remind myself of where I've been.
>
> Good fortune attend you all,
> Ragnar Ketilsson
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:41:03 -0400
From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@home.com>
Subject: [scribes]: Introduction

Greetings to my fellow scribes!

I was on this list a while ago and have recently re-sub-scribed.  I've
pretty much taken the past year off from the SCA and am ready to get back in
to the swing of things.  Last summer we moved to the East from Ealdormere
and I'm ready to start illuminating again.  :-)

I've been dabbling in Illumination for the past 6 years (almost).  One of
these days I would like to learn to do calligraphy.

I look forward to getting to know everyone on the Scribes List.  :-)

Lady Tzitzakion
mka Laura Peskett
Barony Beyond the Mountain, East Kingdom

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:23:42 EDT
From: KMcWhyte@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction

Hail Lady Tzitzakion (how do you pronounce that?) and milord Ragnar...

Welcome aboard. :) It's always nice to see more "newbies" afoot (I use the 
term loosely.... SCA newbie is different from mundane newbie, as are 
areas/levels of expertise...). Ragnar, I think you're in very good hands over 
there, considering the numbers of AEthelmearcian scribes on the list here, 
and the wonder and beauty I have seen them produce (had I joined the SCA four 
years ago, I would have been part of that particular kingdom, but mundane 
life took me in a different direction). 

As for you, Lady Tzitzakon -- hi neighbor! *grin* Though my home barony is An 
Dubhaigheainn (Suffolk County, Long Island), on the other side of this pond, 
I spend more time in my adopted home in Dragonship Haven (by Bridgeport, CT), 
if not wandering about on the archery fields, then certainly in the company 
of some fine folk from DH and BBM. I hope your stay in the East will be a 
comfortable one, among many new friends.

May the two of you produce many wonderful "doodles" and "scribbles". :)
In Service,


Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe.
E.Frank, Long Island, NY
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:29:15 -0500
From: Gwendoline Rosamond <dameg@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction

Welcome to the list (again) Tzitzakion!  It was nice to see you, (if 
briefly) at Pennsic.

Cheers,
Gwendoline (another Ealdormerian export)

At 08:41 PM 8/22/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings to my fellow scribes!
>
>I was on this list a while ago and have recently re-sub-scribed.  I've
>pretty much taken the past year off from the SCA and am ready to get back in
>to the swing of things.  Last summer we moved to the East from Ealdormere
>and I'm ready to start illuminating again.  :-)
>
>I've been dabbling in Illumination for the past 6 years (almost).  One of
>these days I would like to learn to do calligraphy.
>
>I look forward to getting to know everyone on the Scribes List.  :-)
>
>Lady Tzitzakion
>mka Laura Peskett
>Barony Beyond the Mountain, East Kingdom

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:49:50 EDT
From: MiLadyGbr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering-Mostly OT, but I gotta share

In a message dated Wed, 22 Aug 2001  6:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KMcWhyte@aol.com writes:
 
snip snip 
> It's been a long, strange War for me... I hope >everyone had a good time too.
 
You can say that again! Unfortunately I missed the scribal gathering. I really wanted to attend. I was still trying to recoup after a long side trip to Chicago on Monday and then back to war on Tuesday.....

snip again
> --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East)
> (The only person crazy enough to wear a plaid kimono >to EK court) ;)
 
Not half as crazy as me..... My trip back to Chicago was because I had tickets to see Russell (Gladiator) Crowe's band play at the House of Blues. Hmmm, five feet from Russell Crowe for two hours made it all worth it. ;) ;) Yes, I was in the front row.... Gave one of the guitarists a stack of Pennsic postcards to give to Russell. Dave seemed impressed. Asked me if this was for real.. LOL

Gabrielle le Chevreuil
Northshield signet

Who can honestly say her best War experience this year happened 8 hours away.
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:10:12 -0400
From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" <nicolaa@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction

Greetings--

> >I've been dabbling in Illumination for the past 6 years (almost).  One of
> >these days I would like to learn to do calligraphy.

Dabbling, phtooey.  She's goooood.

(It's pronounced something like Cha-chak-i-an, am I remembering right?)

Nicolaa
Yet another Ealdormerian export (take 2, they're small)

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:09:37 -0700
From: "Eva Mehlhose" <Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering (long)

>
> At first I was afraid to show my work but then I did, and everyone was
oohing and aahing over each others work.  It was great! There were tips,
hints and suggestions shared that was much appreciated by all.  Thank you
again to the Ladies from Australia for the Vellumteen (I think thats what it
was called) I can't wait to try it out.
> Lady Daniela Schwartzhaupt
>
> (PS. The niblets were absolutely to die for!)

Well met indeed
my personal thanks to all involved in making this happen. It is my intent to
offer a Known World scribal tea at Estrella being the Atenveldt  Signet
until September next year. I happen to be german, not australian...grin...
literally, german is my native language....
The parchmentine I gave samples of comes from Australia. I get it from a
friend. Need to ask her how and where she is getting it from.
I would dearly love to hear how you folks like to work with it. Any and all
input is appreciated.

Kayleigh, would you please seek out your Baron Muirdeach and his fair lady
wife and give my greetings. They are family of mine, I am associated with
Kilkenny. Assuming you are working on the Baronial level as well, my thanks
to you.

It was such a joy to see the variety and diversity of styles on display. I
dream of the day we can all sit in the same tent and haggle over each others
portfolios. For me, the teas will be a must go to event at all wars they are
offered.
And I really want the recipe for the shortbread. Pretty please?
Alex the scribe
aka Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle
Atenveldt Signet

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:23:43 -0400
From: "Laura Peskett" <2rozakii@home.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <KMcWhyte@aol.com>
<snipped>
> Hail Lady Tzitzakion (how do you pronounce that?) and milord Ragnar...

Pretend that the TZ are CH - Chi (like in chicken) Chack Ian (as in the boys
name).  It's not too hard to pronounce (she says tongue in cheek).  :-)

Thank you to everyone for the welcome.  :-)

Tzitzakion



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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:27:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" <pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Pennsic Scribal Gathering-Mostly OT, but I gotta share

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 MiLadyGbr@aol.com wrote:

> 
> snip again
> > --Lady Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East)
> > (The only person crazy enough to wear a plaid kimono >to EK court) ;)
>  
> Not half as crazy as me..... My trip back to Chicago was because I had tickets to see Russell (Gladiator) Crowe's band play at the House of Blues. Hmmm, five feet from Russell Crowe for two hours made it all worth it. ;) ;) Yes, I was in the front row.... Gave one of the guitarists a stack of Pennsic postcards to give to Russell. Dave seemed impressed. Asked me if this was for real.. LOL
> 
> Gabrielle le Chevreuil
> Northshield Signet


And when I asked if she wanted to bear his children, she nodded
emphatically. ;-)

Margaret FitzWilliam
troublesome Northshield scribe

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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:06:07 EDT
From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [scribes]:Gulf Wars Scribal Gathering?

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In a message dated 8/23/2001 11:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net writes:


> Brndalston@aol.com writes:
> >> But, hey, what about having one at Gulf Wars in March? I am not sure yet 
>> if I 
>> am going to Gulf Wars (they may not let me off work - I may have to go 
>> AWOL). 
>> But it would be cool to do one down there. I am sure there are many people 
>> who go to Gulf Wars that don't make it to Pennsic. Just an idea. 
>> 
>> Brandwyn (Atlantia) 
>>  
>> that would be very nice. Alas, Gulf wars is not on my travelling agenda. 
>> My barony is usually heavily involved in autocratting and working Estrella 
>> and my household out east does the same with Pennsic. Both wars I  will 
>> always attend. Gulf wars being just 3 to 4 weeks apart from Estrella 
>> leaves my wallet still empty and my vacation time already spoken for.
>> Personally I think all major wars should have scribal get togethers. If I 
>> am not mistaken most of the Signets are on this list? What does everyone 
>> think about this?
>> Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle
>> Aten Signet
>> commonly known as Alex the Scribe
>> 
> 
> 
I think it is a wonderful idea, even if I don't make it to most of the wars.
Brandwyn


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/23/2001 11:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
<BR>Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Brndalston@aol.com writes:
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But, hey, what about having one at Gulf Wars in March? I am not sure yet 
<BR>if I 
<BR>am going to Gulf Wars (they may not let me off work - I may have to go 
<BR>AWOL). 
<BR>But it would be cool to do one down there. I am sure there are many people 
<BR>who go to Gulf Wars that don't make it to Pennsic. Just an idea. 
<BR>
<BR>Brandwyn (Atlantia)</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> 
<BR> 
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">that would be very nice. Alas, Gulf wars is not on my travelling agenda. 
<BR>My barony is usually heavily involved in autocratting and working Estrella 
<BR>and my household out east does the same with Pennsic. Both wars I &nbsp;will 
<BR>always attend. Gulf wars being just 3 to 4 weeks apart from Estrella 
<BR>leaves my wallet still empty and my vacation time already spoken for.
<BR>Personally I think all major wars should have scribal get togethers. If I 
<BR>am not mistaken most of the Signets are on this list? What does everyone 
<BR>think about this?
<BR>Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle
<BR>Aten Signet
<BR>commonly known as Alex the Scribe</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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<BR>I think it is a wonderful idea, even if I don't make it to most of the wars.
<BR>Brandwyn
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:27:31 EDT
From: EStavash@cs.com
Subject: [scribes]: Caring for a manuscript leaf?

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I have had the good fortune to acquire a manuscript leaf, which I would like 
to frame, but I'm not sure how to care for it. My father kept it rolled up, 
with a rubber band around it, and stored it in the closet.  He had assumed 
that a real leaf from a real medieval antiphonal would be worth a fortune, 
and that therefore the leaf he had was a printed reproduction-- but a 
reproduction wouldn't have pinholes and scratches in the vellum where the 
lines were ruled. It's not illuminated, or otherwise fancy enough to be worth 
reproducing, so I think it's real, if not terribly valuable to anyone but 
myself.  To my semi-trained eye, it appears to be written in an Italian 
gothic hand-- Does anyone know of resources I might use to determine when and 
where it was made?  

More importantly, does anyone have suggestions on how to care for it?  The 
black ink has partially flaked off on one side, and since it has been rolled 
up for at least 20 years, it will not stay unrolled. I would eventually like 
to frame it, but for now I would settle for being able to study it without 
holding it open. I'm also worried that the oils from my hands might damage 
it. Some of my books have advice on working with fresh vellum, but they don't 
have anything on preserving antiques. I'd be grateful for any advice, or 
references to books that might help me. 

Thanks, 
Elyn of Coffenbury
Loch Salann, Artemisia

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I have had the good fortune to acquire a manuscript leaf, which I would like 
<BR>to frame, but I'm not sure how to care for it. My father kept it rolled up, 
<BR>with a rubber band around it, and stored it in the closet. &nbsp;He had assumed 
<BR>that a real leaf from a real medieval antiphonal would be worth a fortune, 
<BR>and that therefore the leaf he had was a printed reproduction-- but a 
<BR>reproduction wouldn't have pinholes and scratches in the vellum where the 
<BR>lines were ruled. It's not illuminated, or otherwise fancy enough to be worth 
<BR>reproducing, so I think it's real, if not terribly valuable to anyone but 
<BR>myself. &nbsp;To my semi-trained eye, it appears to be written in an Italian 
<BR>gothic hand-- Does anyone know of resources I might use to determine when and 
<BR>where it was made? &nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>More importantly, does anyone have suggestions on how to care for it? &nbsp;The 
<BR>black ink has partially flaked off on one side, and since it has been rolled 
<BR>up for at least 20 years, it will not stay unrolled. I would eventually like 
<BR>to frame it, but for now I would settle for being able to study it without 
<BR>holding it open. I'm also worried that the oils from my hands might damage 
<BR>it. Some of my books have advice on working with fresh vellum, but they don't 
<BR>have anything on preserving antiques. I'd be grateful for any advice, or 
<BR>references to books that might help me. 
<BR>
<BR>Thanks, 
<BR>Elyn of Coffenbury
<BR>Loch Salann, Artemisia</FONT></HTML>

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