From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #94 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, March 19 2001 Volume 05 : Number 094 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Re: great big Kingdoms... Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs Re: [scribes]: Scribal Treatment Continued. RE: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs [scribes]: re: Really Really Big Kingdoms / Long-Distance Travel (East) [scribes]: Long Island Workshop ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:49:46 +1100 From: Christine Robertson Subject: [scribes]: Re: great big Kingdoms... Saradwen wrote: >.... there are a whole lot of us in >this Kingdom who never see each other, ever, because our Kingdom is >SOOOOOOOOOO big! Hmmmnn. Saradwen dear, would you like to visit Lochac? 3,000 miles from East coast to west... (But I must admit, there's only about 900 of us playing here. Still rather a lot for our 10 or so active scribes, though.) - --Yseult de Lacy, OL =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:36:00 -0800 From: "Colleen (Celdae) Anderson" Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs The one problem with this, at least for An Tirians, is how would I stop someone who wanted to do scrolls only for kingdom X? I have one or two out of kingdom scribes but I'm still trying to rekindle the fire under my own scribes. A scribe exchange program isn't a bad idea and I know scribes have down other kingdom scrolls in the past. There is of course the problem that every kingdom is going to have different rules of what is acceptable for materials and skill levels. That would mean a learning curve for new scribes and the possibility of some getting it "wrong" the first time. We would have to be careful to include the fine details. And overall, well, scribes are notoriously a secluded, hard to find lot. They aren't the best communicators (unless they're pelicans) It's hard enough dredging them up here. I don't know if I could drum up appropriate enthusiasm and get them to actually do other kingdom's scrolls. Just my skeptical thoughts Companion Celdae the Seeker Sable Sable An Tir john j cash wrote: > Dear folks, > Sorry if this gets posted more than once to you. > > Just an idea about doing scrolls for other kingdoms when you have a > backlog of your own: > > Perhaps a Scribe Exchange Program would help. Like a Student Exchange > Program, a Scribe Exchange Program would choose a scribe (or more than > one) from Kingdom A to do work for six months for Kingdom B; and another > scribe or set from Kingdom B would do the same for Kingdom A. This might > be used as a reward, to call attention to new scribes who had done a > good amount of nice work locally, or the Signet could ask a respected > scribe to do the job and act as a mentor to scribes in the other kingdom. > In either case, this would increase connections among scribes and > illuminators among different kingdoms while getting all respective > backlogs reduced. > > Thoughts? > > -- johannes v.n. > > "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning." -- Cathering Aird - -- What's a naiad? It's a wet dryad. - --T. Fleming =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:11:36 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Treatment Continued. > After I got to Caid I received a copy of the Caidan scribes handbook and was > just plain shocked. The East has almost no rules for scrolls. They can be > any size, have any wording, and have any size shield shape. All they need is > the name of the recipient, the award, the date, the place, the royalty, > space for signatures and the badge/arms depending on the award. That's pretty much how it is in the Midrealm, too. We have a lot of freedom artistically as to how we want to do scrolls. We have no limitations as to period style, size, wording or shield shape, although most of us use an escutcheon. I like it that way, frankly. I wouldn't want it any other way. I would feel stifled artistically. It seems like those Kingdoms that have very strict requirements are also the ones with the fewest scribes and I have to wonder if there is a correlation here. Very curious......................... ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:38:47 -0500 From: "Kalusik, Linda" Subject: RE: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs From the Far Northern Reaches of Canada; I have the same problem. Although we don't have a lot of backlogs, the distances between our scribes and our own events makes it hard to ensure that our own scrolls are done on time. The enthusiasm seems to wax and wane and I do have to do a lot pleading and begging. This, coupled with the concerns outlined by Celdae causes me to be somewhat skeptical. No to say that we wouldn't try, but I have so few scribes that I can depend on, I would hate to lose their services. I have a number of scribes who only do backlogs, perhaps a couple from those ranks would be willing. Rachael Redhaven of Dorylaeum Trillium Signet, Ealdormere Linda Kalusik, HRMS Stream Lead, Phoenix Project e-mail: linda.kalusik@city.brampton.on.ca 874-2989 -----Original Message----- From: Colleen (Celdae) Anderson [SMTP:naiad@axion.net] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:36 AM To: john j cash Cc: Catie Helm-Clark; artemisia@yahoogroups.com; scribes@castle.org; alethea@socket.net; jmalley@ra.msstate.edu; linda.kalusik@city.brampton.on.ca; LPANCRAZIO@cmnc.com; UnruhBays.Melanie.A@broadband.att.com; Fritz_Hammond@compuserve.com; Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net; sarapenrose@yahoo.com; d.e.green@juno.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs The one problem with this, at least for An Tirians, is how would I stop someone who wanted to do scrolls only for kingdom X? I have one or two out of kingdom scribes but I'm still trying to rekindle the fire under my own scribes. A scribe exchange program isn't a bad idea and I know scribes have down other kingdom scrolls in the past. There is of course the problem that every kingdom is going to have different rules of what is acceptable for materials and skill levels. That would mean a learning curve for new scribes and the possibility of some getting it "wrong" the first time. We would have to be careful to include the fine details. And overall, well, scribes are notoriously a secluded, hard to find lot. They aren't the best communicators (unless they're pelicans) It's hard enough dredging them up here. I don't know if I could drum up appropriate enthusiasm and get them to actually do other kingdom's scrolls. Just my skeptical thoughts Companion Celdae the Seeker Sable Sable An Tir john j cash wrote: > Dear folks, > Sorry if this gets posted more than once to you. > > Just an idea about doing scrolls for other kingdoms when you have a > backlog of your own: > > Perhaps a Scribe Exchange Program would help. Like a Student Exchange > Program, a Scribe Exchange Program would choose a scribe (or more than > one) from Kingdom A to do work for six months for Kingdom B; and another > scribe or set from Kingdom B would do the same for Kingdom A. This might > be used as a reward, to call attention to new scribes who had done a > good amount of nice work locally, or the Signet could ask a respected > scribe to do the job and act as a mentor to scribes in the other kingdom. > In either case, this would increase connections among scribes and > illuminators among different kingdoms while getting all respective > backlogs reduced. > > Thoughts? > > -- johannes v.n. > > "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning." -- Cathering Aird -- What's a naiad? It's a wet dryad. --T. Fleming =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:11:21 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: re: Really Really Big Kingdoms / Long-Distance Travel (East) You know, it might sound funny, but... It's actually not as long a trip, from here in Long Island (An Dubhaigheainn & Ostgardr) to Pennsic (*9 hrs, depending on how heavy your foot is on the accelerator), as it is from here to say... Quebec, NF, or Nova Scotia. Currently, I have a scroll due for a RP in Havre Du Glace (Quebec) on 3-31, with at least three days out of this week being taken out for attending my grandfather's memorial service in Florida (passed on yesterday morning, in church -- as good a place as any to heed God's call). Obviously I'm not going to hop on a plane in 2 weeks to deliver the scroll in person, BUT, this is one of those examples of just how far apart some of the baronies really are. I *still* have yet to see a Northern Region event (Northern Shores / Northern Peaks, now) -- Eastern Canada, and all points north of northeast NY. It was only fairly recently (December) that my lord and I attended an event in the northern Central region, in Springfield, Mass. Sometimes we don't always get the chance to do scrolls in "our backyard", here in East. Coronation was at the southernmost end of the Kingdom this year, down in Bhakail (near Philadelphia). I did go, but that was a nearly 5 hour trip with NYC traffic. I barely got the scroll for Last Court there on time, only to find out later that the outgoing Royals messed up (they're great people, mind you...) and promised the award for the same recipient & her husband to a friend of the recipients.... forgetting about notifying the Signet. So both folk received 2 scrolls. Not unusual, but the problem is being worked on, from all I've heard. TRM Andreas and Isabella have been VERY good about the scrolls this year, but the better thing about their reign is that they are travelling into the baronies and cantons that few Royals ever get to see. And their travels are practically booked solid to Coronation, which thankfully is more local to me (closer to my lord's residence, in CT). So much as I wish I had the luxury to travel up and down the East coast, or even to foreign wars other than Pennsic, I cannot afford it, save for the first year, where my first foreign event was Will's Revenge 8 (Greetings, Majesties..). Hence all the scroll-dropping-off for some of us in the bigger Kingdoms. I don't have regional Signets here, to the best of my knowledge, but my work seems to be travelling far enough. ~Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East, An Dubhaigheainn) E.Frank, Long Island, NY =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:24:49 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Long Island Workshop Dear everyone.... Just on a follow-up notice, for those who don't know me or don't get a copy of The Viaduct in An Dubh, I have been working on organizing a workshop for scribes in the Long Island area. Currently there is one workshop in the general vicinity -- very general; I'm talking Brooklyn here... In an effort to contribute to the 'scribes pool' and get more people interested in scribing in East (and other locations, if anyone's just visiting the area!) without having to hike towards NYC to get together with other scribes, I've been searching for a site, with the assistance of the Seneschal out here. Currently we finally have a location -- Setauket, NY (just past Stony Brook). Depending on how things go, and discussion with the Seneschal of An Dubh, there's a possibility there could be a site in western Suffolk county, at Walt Whitman HS -- also pending approval by the school board. For certain though, Setauket is secured, under the provision that we leave the site as we found it. More information will be posted here once I have dates and times, and all that other fun organizing stuff.... Thanks. :) - --Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East) Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SCA Scribes Webring: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=thescascribesweb ICQ uin#: 40730792 AOL: kmcwhyte =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #94 ****************************