From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #87 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, March 17 2001 Volume 05 : Number 087 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Fw: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs RE: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Re: [scribes]: Heraldic Symposium (East) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:14:35 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Greetings, all. Since we're on the subject, I figured I'd throw my hat in and just make it "brief". :) RE: Backlog Her Grace, Duchess Katherine (Tyger Signet here in East) just sent out a report to a good bunch of us scribes on her mailing list with regard to our progress... To date, we've managed to keep up with the scrolls awarded this reign, which is somewhere around 297, with some Coronation scrolls still to come next month, at the close of this reign of TRM Andreas and Isabella. There is backlog, though, from prior reigns, which I lack specific details on. Eastrealm has -- or had -- a backlog signet at one point... His Excellency Baron Morgan DaVillarquamada (current Baron of Dragonship Haven). I'm not sure who has the position now, but... Backlog happens, for a variety of reasons, as most of us are aware of. As mentioned previously, East follows the tradition of leaving a blazon blank for its AoA recipients, which leaves the wait for approval of a blazon entirely in the recipient's hands. Last I heard, the wait for approval by the Heralds in Milpitas administration was somewhere around 3 years??? I hope this is inaccurate, considering that some other Kingdoms require the recipient to have the blazon already registered, and receive a promissory in the interim. That's a long time to wait, and can create a major backlog. Scribal Treatment: I wouldn't go so far as to say that we're spoiled here in East... I mean, in the entire 2 3/4 years I've been in the SCA, this area of the Southern Region just hasn't been so public about scribes in particular. When you mention calligraphy at the annual demo here in Huntington, some people may mention a workshop in Brooklyn-Queens. I'd never even heard of a scribal tea until this list, much less a scribal event (unless Heraldic Symposium is a scribal event). Locally, there's never been a 'scribal table' at events I've been to, which hopefully will change... I've been working on finding a location for a scribal workshop for Long Island, with the Barony of An Dubhaigheainn supporting the concept. However, the group and workshop would be as I hope it to be -- a welcome center for any scribe, no matter the home barony, kingdom, experience, etc. Of course, there's the catch of the Baron suggesting scrolls as Baronial Awards. Lord knows, I've been busy enough with mundane and SCA life, but perhaps if the concept of the workshop comes to fruition, and there are enough souls willing, His Excellency may have his wish. In the meantime, I'm just happy enough to have found other scribes to talk to here, without having to travel hundreds of miles for ideas, advice, and input. :) In Service, Kayleigh McWhyte, Mercenary Scribe (East, AnDubhaigheainn) Elizabeth Frank, Long Island NY The SCA Scribes Webring: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=thescascribesweb =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:54:37 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@cch.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. >>As mentioned previously, East follows the tradition of leaving a blazon blank for its AoA recipients, which leaves the wait for approval of a blazon entirely in the recipient's hands. Last I heard, the wait for approval by the Heralds in Milpitas administration was somewhere around 3 years??? I hope this is inaccurate, considering that some other Kingdoms require the recipient to have the blazon already registered, and receive a promissory in the interim. That's a long time to wait, and can create a major backlog.<< It does. Caid is one of the kingdoms that you must have registered arms to get a scroll, and while our backlog is not currently enormous, that's only because we changed the system a few years ago. Now, you get a preprinted promissary and if you want a hand-done scroll, you must notify the Scribe Armarius (currently James). He'll either try to find you a scribe, or you can look on your own and let him know when someone agrees to do the scroll. Otherwise, no scroll. We pretty much wiped out most of the backlog by doing this, since many of the undone scrolls were for people no longer active, or who didn't really care if they got a scroll or not. Anyone who does care has a way to get one. I don't know how long it takes to get arms passed nowadays. The College of Heralds is *not* headquartered in Milpitas - it's HQ'd in the home of whoever is Laurel King of Arms. Depending on other factors, your arms can take shorter or longer to get passed. I know Laurel has complained to me recently that many of the Kingdom Heralds themselves were not being prompt in sending in regular submissions (and payment for those submissions, which is why I got the complaint). Why the Kingdom Heralds are having problems is anyone's guess (most likely burnout or simply too much to do, as usual). Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:54:09 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: . > much less a scribal event (unless Heraldic Symposium is a scribal > event). > In Service, > The Heraldic symposium tomorrow in Eisental is not a scribal event, but there will be scribes there :), and I for one will be working on a scroll when I am not running children's activities. There are a couple of us talking about doing a scribes only event in the fall or possibly the spring, but it is only in the very beginning of planning stages. Right now Eisental is scheduled for 6 events already this year and we may be burnt out by the fall! I would love to see you tomorrow at the Heraldic event though--bring your stuff if you come down! Olwyn ni Chinneidigh Eisental East =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:44:01 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. OK, this is an interesting issue, and I have taken the time to read all of your responses before adding my own to the fray: One thing that really rattles my cage these days is the expectation of there being a "Scribe's Room" at an event at which Royalty is in attendance, and the expectation that scribes will willingly give up the event that they paid to attend in order to make scrolls for that evening's court, so that no promissaries will have to be given out and no backlog is then created. My exception to this is that I feel that the Royalty needs to have (and enforce) a cut-off date for receiving award recommendations so that the scribes have adequate time to create scrolls WITHOUT having to be cooped up in a Scribe's Room all day giving up an event, frantically creating a last minute scroll. It just isn't right somehow. Times were that I seem to remember the Midrealm having a pretty scary and large backlog. Maybe we still do, I do not know. I know that one very close and old friend who is a Laurel AND Pelican (who was double Peered the same day) never got his scroll. He asked me to do it, since every single award he ever got was one of my scrolls, but I had to decline when he insisted that he wanted a period Mongolian scroll, and I don't know how to do that. It's just beyond my ability and talent, and I could not do it the proper justice that it deserves. A lot of the Peers never got their scrolls, so I would imagine that this constitutes the major portion of our scroll backlog. I often feel that we scribes are overworked and underappreciated a lot. We're never given adequate lead time for scrolls. (I had to do one in 6 hours last year one night, as the commission came from a midnight phone call on a Thursday night before the event! That phone call gave me the willies because at the time, my mother was rather ill, and rarely does the phone ever ring here past about 9 p.m., and besides, at that hour, I am normally in bed anyway! I just happened to be walking in the door from our local shire meeting when the phone rang and the first words I heard were, "It's an EMERGENCY!!" Gawd, you talk about giving me a real start!!!) Anyway, as I was saying before digressing, I would LOVE more than a week's lead time. I wish I knew how the Signet's office worked and why our Signets don't apply more pressure on TRM's to insist on strict deadlines for award recommendations. I mean, surely TRM's have their travel calendar planned for the entire duration of their Reign by their Coronation Day. Or not long thereafter. That is what Royal Chamberlains are for. They act, as I understand it, as a kind of "Royal Travel Agent and Keeper of the Royal Calendar". So if the Royal Staff has things well in hand, then it should be public information where the Royal Progress will be headed months in advance. It's usually on the calendar page of the "PALE", the Midrealm newsletter. You can take a glance and see who will be where for many months in advance. So if you know that, say, 3 months from now, such-and-such a group's event is featuring a Royal Court, then the award rec's need to be in NOW so that scribes have plenty of time to get the scrolls done. We DO have lives outside of the SCA and in some cases, demanding lives that allow little time for other things. Appreciation for scribes and scrolls has come a long way in recent years. In the Midrealm, those who contribute scrolls to Royal Courts receive a lovely favour with the Midrealm Scribal Badge to wear on their belts. I wear mine proudly on my belt at every event at which I attend. Still, there is always room for improvement. ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:08:23 -0400 From: wyverns Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs THL Antoinette de la Croix of Stormsport wrote: >I found your missive fascinating but I have a few questions of >my own to pose which is related to this issue. >I would like to know why a Kingdom's backlog exists? from their >perspective? >Is a recipient expected to find their own scribe and commission >their work? >Did the scribe drop out of the sca with ~unfinished business? >Was their a communication misfire or misunderstanding? >What do other kingdom's assignment procedures consist of? >Do all Kingdoms have a Backlog Officer who a recipient may go to >and say, "Gee, Its been a year and I still don't have my >scroll". >Is there a lack of support to the scribal communities elsewhere >in the Known World? >Is the responsibility/role clearly defined to everyone involved? >How many scribes paint v how many active members in a Kingdom? >Is there a turnover rate of scribes in a Kingdom? (burn out) >How do other kingdom's recruit scribes? I think the question needs a slight redirection. Start with "Why does a backlog exist?" and stop there, because there is so much difference between kingdoms that the other questions may not apply at all. In my experience (In two kingdoms and a Principality) the existance of a backlog may have virtually nothing to do with the scribes and everything to do with how and when and if the scrolls are assigned, whether scrolls are expected at all, and other factors out of the control of the scribes. And the follow-up question may be not how to work the backlog of, but IF we should. If backlog-or-burnout are inevitable, maybe we and our various kingdoms need to consider whether the recipients 'deserve' and have a right to expect a handmade scroll for every award they receive, or whether the recognition, any associated badges, and a printed certificate with the date and signaures etc should be enough (in all or most cases). In Middle/Northshield, umptyump years ago, the goal grew to get scrolls made to go with awards for court, a fairly new concept at the time. Preprints/charters/fill-in-the blanks with real paint on them (and occasionally paint markers) were common as real scrolls. There weren't always enough (there were rarely enough) premade for the number of awards given in court, so they began to give out photocopies and the king and queen told the recipient that they were 'only a promisory note.' If you were lucky, a friend might learn that you had gotten a promisory note and make you a real scroll. From that grew the expectation that eventually every promisory would be replaced by something more 'real'. And that quickly came to mean something that was entirely handmade, if only to avoid everyone getting a scroll that looked the same because no one thought to spread out the preprinted, hand-painted 'real' scrolls, or because there weren't a great variety available at any one time. I'm not sure how it began in Atlantia (I think others on the list may be able to fill in some of the background) but the expectation grew from armigerous awards deserving a real from-scratch scroll to all awards deserving such. Despite that, few were being arranged ahead to be given in court), so each reign the backlog grew almost as much as the number of awards given. Since I have been here (well over 10 years) there have been only a handful of reigns where Their Royalnesses made an effort to plan their courts far enough in advance to have scrolls made (Peerages being the exception, and a scroll wasn't always arranged for those, either). Lots of changes are in work, and even the expectation that every award must be accompanied by a scroll (eventually) may be adjusted over time. It will be interesting to watch how the populace and future Royals respond. Enid currently of Atlantia =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:21:20 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: . > Greetings, all. > > > RE: Backlog > > Her Grace, Duchess Katherine (Tyger Signet here in East) just sent out a > report to a good bunch of us scribes on her mailing list with regard to our > progress... To date, we've managed to keep up with the scrolls awarded this > reign, which is somewhere around 297, with some Coronation scrolls still to > come next month, at the close of this reign of TRM Andreas and Isabella. > There is backlog, though, from prior reigns, which I lack specific details > on. Eastrealm has -- or had -- a backlog signet at one point... His > Excellency Baron Morgan DaVillarquamada (current Baron of Dragonship Haven). > I'm not sure who has the position now, but... Backlog happens, for a variety > of reasons, as most of us are aware of. > East Kingdom Backlog is at: http://w3.ime.net/~megb/backlog/Welcomex.htm There are currently 61 unassigned scrolls in the backlog, I'm not sure how many are assigned (I didn't count them). I just got a note from Mistress Bryn today that most of the ones that have not yet been assigned are ones on which they are still looking for specific information (usually specific reasons why the award was given). As was said before, the East gives original scrolls for ALL awards, whether armigerous or not, so this list contains everything from "Brewer to the Crown" to Peerages. All in all, we must be treated pretty well in the East if we can handle the kind of reign we have currently--297 awards given since Coronation, all with original scrolls.We have 3 more Courts to go...and most of us aren't babbling goons yet! :-) Olwyn ni Chinneidigh Shire of Eisental, East =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:07:25 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Greetings Olwyn how many actively producing scribes are in the East Kingdom? Atenveldt has 14 and we are handling the Kingdom need as best we can. Alyssandra von Drachenskralle, the ever curious Aten Kingdom scribe > As was said before, the East gives original scrolls for ALL awards, whether > armigerous or not, so this list contains everything from "Brewer to the > Crown" to Peerages. > > All in all, we must be treated pretty well in the East if we can handle the > kind of reign we have currently--297 awards given since Coronation, all with > original scrolls.We have 3 more Courts to go...and most of us aren't > babbling goons yet! :-) > > Olwyn ni Chinneidigh > Shire of Eisental, > East > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:08:47 -0700 From: "Eva Mehlhose" Subject: Fw: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs Subject: Re: [scribes]: scrolls backlogs > Hello Antoinette my friend and all others > My name is Lady Alyssandra von Drachenskralle also known as Alex, the scribe > Kingdom Scribe Atenveldt, in office 5 months. > I have been in 5 Kingdoms so far, this one being as deprived in scribal arts > as others. Being East Kingdom/Aethelmearc trained is was extraordinarily > difficult to come to terms with local customs. My best efforts to remedy > this situation are going to be futile, my lifespan is not long enough to > deal with this the way I would love to, let alone my office term. > Some answers from this area of the knowne world as pertaining to Atenveldt > from my point of view. > > > I would like to know why a Kingdom's backlog exists? from their > > perspective? > Atenveldt > gives out promissary scroll and as I was told expects the > recipient to contract a scribe for different work if so desired. > > > Is a recipient expected to find their own scribe and commission > > their work? Yes, at least in the past, not under my tenure as kingdom > scribe. > > > Did the scribe drop out of the sca with ~unfinished business? > yes, many have. There also seems to be an influx of politicking affecting > us, more scribes than not are sitting a reign out....as if that would help > the poor souls who finally get to get an award. With our massive amount of > populace awards come slowly. > > > Was their a communication misfire or misunderstanding? > > What do other kingdom's assignment procedures consist of? > Not sure how to answer that, I had a heck of a time getting any information > as to who, what , where, when , why when I took this office. Still do. > > > Do all Kingdoms have a Backlog Officer who a recipient may go to > > and say, "Gee, Its been a year and I still don't have my > > scroll". > Not here that I have ever encountered. In my mind anything but an original > scroll is a preprint or promissory. It should be handled by the Crown direct > or the Kingdom scribe. > > > Is there a lack of support to the scribal communities elsewhere > > in the Known World? > 5th Kingdom and ticking, yes, dear there most certainly is. > > > Is the responsibility/role clearly defined to everyone involved? > No, part of the problem, this Kingdom has not had an update on the scribal > handbook in over 7 years that I know of, working on that one too. Should > have the new one online by fall as well as in print. > > > How many scribes paint v how many active members in a Kingdom? > In our case, one scribe on 750 folks. > > Is there a turnover rate of scribes in a Kingdom? (burn out) > We have currently 14 actively contributing scribes, some of them only make > one or two pieces in a year. > > > How do other kingdom's recruit scribes? > > I am fiercely teaching classes, attend as many events as possible with > workshop materials and run weekly workshops at my house. My deputies are > doing the same. > > > I have been painting for Aethelemarc for 2+ years, I have 1000 > > hours logged in as painting time, I just finished my 37th scroll > > last night. I also painted two peerages which were sent to the > > West Kingdom last year and were well received. The King of the > > West actually came to the Aethelmearc Scribal tea at the Pennsic > > War last year to ~personally~ thank each scribe who sent work to > > the West. I will always remember this with great fondness, it > > was > > a huge learning experience, the West does things differently > > than we do, a bit of culture shock. However, Mistress Gierny had > > written up Our roles clearly so that we understood exactly what > > we needed to do and when I had questions she answered them > > promptly. It was a great experience to learn how others have to > > paint within a canon of expectation. > > > One of my deputies was the principality scribe for Lochac, Kingdom of the > West is the parent Kingdom. She told me amazing tales of their backlog too. > And yes, the West does appreciate excellence. > > > In Aethelmearc, scribes are adored and treated well, not just by > > recipients but by everyone, but most importantly by Our Chief > > of Scribes (Sylvan Signet) THL Eibhlin, she asks us what we want > > to do, lead time needed, styles in which we paint,specific list: > > gentles that we would like to paint a scroll for, if we need to > > return an assignment for any reason she is super supportive and > > responds to our emails and phone calls the same day.....yes, we > > are spoiled and we know it, but we also produce a high quality > > product with consistency. > > > That is the standard I am implementing in this Kingdom as well. Alas, I will > not be able to do this in just a few weeks. After lasercopied (yes, full > color) scrolls and similar objects of scribal amazement this populace does > not value scribes. I have literally seen magic marker scrolls out here, the > recipient being a territorial baroness and it was not done as a joke. I have > my work cut out for me and then some. \ > So, anyone feeling generous, we need the help. East Kingdom has been > contributing to our needs actively over the last year. Thank you Lady Olwyn, > Master Jonathan Blaecstan, the sisters of St Luke, your work was greatly > appreciated. > > Adios, > Alex, the scribe > who is a corporate trainer for a nutritional company in the mundane world > > Adieu, > > THL Antoinette de la Croix of Stormsport > > who is a Social Engineer in her mundane world > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > =================================================================== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > > with a blank Subject: line and > > unsubscribe scribes > > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > > the body. > > > > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:57 -0800 From: "Ken Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Out of curiosity, what is your definition of an "Original Scroll" ? Also, how many active scribes do you have? I would also be interested in knowing how many scribal-Laurels there are in the East Kingdom. (I am wondering if there is a correlation between the number of active scribes and the number of active scribal laurels). Using my definition of an "Original Scroll" (which may be extreme) makes 297 original scrolls an absolutely amazing amount of work, especially taking into account a 6 month window. My definition: An original scroll is one in which one starts out with a blank piece of paper or vellum, drafts out the border, guidelines, etc. Does the calligraphy by hand, illuminates the border, Versals, Emblazon, Minaitures... and then does all of the detail work. I typically figure about 20-40 hours of work per scroll, depending on complexity. Also, this definition fits in with what I have seen in Atenveldt, Caid, Trimaris and An Tir. Bottom line for me, if I complete one or two original scrolls in a month, I am just *screaming along*, high-speed and low-drag. Cruisin' even. My current project is a take-off of a Black Hours. I consider it to be a high-end deliverable (the recipient is worth it :-). It is done on black bristol, using white gouach and raised gold for for the calligraphy, raised loose-leaf gilding on the 3 large historiated initials. The border is late period acanthus work done in monochrome with a light-lapis background and shellgold acanthus and vines. There is one large miniature in the top of one side of the border, and a detailed emblazon of the recipients arms in the lower left. Not counting the time to make the gesso and paint, I have *easily* put over 50 hours into this piece already, and it is still only about 1/3 done. The sketch-work in the borders alone has taken several days. The gilding aslmost as much. On the other hand, when I was baronial scribe I could knock an original Baronial A&S/Fighting/Service scroll on 11x14 out in about 8 hours, start to finish. These were what I consider original scrolls, but were small and sparse: Original Calligraphy, Illuminated versal, Light border-work if any, a miniature of the token representing the Order being awarded, and if I *really*really*really* liked the recipient I might do an additional small miniature, adding about 2-4 hours work. After Thomas Brownwell and I started working together I was able to shave about 3 hours off the production time by collaboration, with me doing the layout, he the Calligraphy, and the rest done by me. I knew of others who could do similar scrolls a little faster, but the ones who were a lot faster sometimes had a problem with quality. - -----Original Message----- From: Eva Mehlhose [mailto:Alexscribe@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:07 PM To: Amy; scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Backlog, Scribal Treatment, etc. Greetings Olwyn how many actively producing scribes are in the East Kingdom? Atenveldt has 14 and we are handling the Kingdom need as best we can. Alyssandra von Drachenskralle, the ever curious Aten Kingdom scribe > As was said before, the East gives original scrolls for ALL awards, whether > armigerous or not, so this list contains everything from "Brewer to the > Crown" to Peerages. > > All in all, we must be treated pretty well in the East if we can handle the > kind of reign we have currently--297 awards given since Coronation, all with > original scrolls.We have 3 more Courts to go...and most of us aren't > babbling goons yet! :-) > > Olwyn ni Chinneidigh > Shire of Eisental, > East > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:54:34 EST From: KMcWhyte@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Heraldic Symposium (East) Wish I could go, but tomorrow is Celtic Silliness in Ostgardr -- the site is 15 minutes from my house. :) I hope to meet other local scribes there (you know who you are!), and pull out the bow to shoot a few rounds with everyone, barring Old Man Winter getting his last laughs. Hopefully we'll meet up sometime soon, if not at an event here in East, then definitely at Pennsic this year. :) *resumes reading the replies* - --Kayleigh =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #87 ****************************