From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #55 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, March 4 2001 Volume 05 : Number 055 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: St. Brigid of Kildare [scribes]: Another spam vellum question Re: [scribes]: St. Brigid of Kildare Re: [scribes]: Another spam vellum question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: St. Brigid of Kildare Dear Folks, Saradwen writes, "A pity that the Book of Kildare managed to disappear during the Reformation, though. I would love to have seen it." Maybe you have. There's a very strong chance the Book of Kildare seen at Kildare by Girardus Cambrensis is the Book of Kells. The Book of Kells fits his description of four Gospels after the plan of St. Jerome, with decoration on every page; its early loaction is uncertain but had been at the abbey of Meath for a long time when in 1541 it disappeared, at the time of the Reformation; and it reappeared with unknown provenance in the 1600's as a donation by Bishop Ussher to the library at Trinity College in Dublin. - -- johannes v.n. "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." -- Cathering Aird =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Haselbauer Subject: [scribes]: Another spam vellum question I was at a store that sells a speciality papers yesterday and found some stuff that looks and feels a lot like the sheet of spam vellum that I have. The lady at the store had no clue. She said that they'd had the stuff for a while. Is there anyway to tell if it is a vellum product? I tried burning small pieces of each. They smelled the same. (Hey it works for fabric!) Then I soaked them in water. They felt similarly sticky. I was surprized to see that the piece of spam vellum that I already had seperated into two plys. My new stuff is rather thin and cockled in yet another experiment (though calligraphy looks lovely on it.) Would gluing the stuff to illustraton board keep it from cockling? Would that depend on the glue? I have many kinds available. (I know we just went over some of this but it wasn't an issue for me then.) Many thanks, Slaine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:33:43 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: St. Brigid of Kildare > Dear Folks, > Saradwen writes, > "A pity that the Book of Kildare managed to disappear during the > Reformation, though. I would love to have seen it." > > Maybe you have. There's a very strong chance the Book of Kildare seen at > Kildare by Girardus Cambrensis is the Book of Kells. The Book of Kells > fits his description of four Gospels after the plan of St. Jerome, with > decoration on every page; its early loaction is uncertain but had been at > the abbey of Meath for a long time when in 1541 it disappeared, at the > time of the Reformation; and it reappeared with unknown provenance in the > 1600's as a donation by Bishop Ussher to the library at Trinity College in > Dublin. Sorry, it cannot possibly be Kells. First off, Brigid lived from 451 to 525 and the Book of Kells was illuminated in the mid 8th century, so I hate to say this, Johannes and Yseult, but you both might be wrong. And Kells was illuminated NOT at Kildare, but either on at the Columban monastery on the Island of Iona near Scotland or the monastery at Kells in County Meath. To quote "Treasures of Early Irish Art, 1500 B.C. to 1500 A.D.", which is the catalogue for the exhibition that traveled throughout the US in 1976 : "Some say the Columban monastery at Kells was first founded in A.D. 806 to receive the community from Iona when Viking raids made their continued stay on that exposed island impossible. If this is the case, and if the Book of Kells was in fact written at Kells, then the book cannot be older than the ninth century." So there might have been a Book of Kildare which was lost that was very beautifully illuminated, given the discrepancy in dates between the existence of St. Brigid and the illuminating of the Book of Kells. Interesting..................... ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:53:34 -0600 From: "Corinna Taylor/Al Frank" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Another spam vellum question Hello Slaine, Where was the store? Name? Address? Price? What did they call the stuff? I would not recommend gluing it to illustration. If they expand and contract at different rates when the humidity changes you could end up with a major mess! Well, it might work for a very small piece.... PVA is archival and waterproof. YES Stickflat is reversible, i.e. it can be soaked loose. Spray adhesives are generally glorified rubber cement and will stain or discolour over time. Tyrex (if you want to invest in the machine) is archival, but do you really want to spend $140 on the machine and have a limit of 8-1/2" wide? And finally, is the paper perfectly flat before you start working on it? Otherwise, you may not be able to mount it without wrinkles and bubbles. If you can afford to risk wasting a sheet, try stretching it like watercolour paper. Corinna TreeGirtSea - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Haselbauer" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: [scribes]: Another spam vellum question > > I was at a store that sells a speciality papers > yesterday and found some stuff that looks and feels a > lot like the sheet of spam vellum that I have. The > lady at the store had no clue. She said that they'd > had the stuff for a while. Is there anyway to tell if > it is a vellum product? I tried burning small pieces > of each. They smelled the same. (Hey it works for > fabric!) Then I soaked them in water. They felt > similarly sticky. I was surprized to see that the > piece of spam vellum that I already had seperated into > two plys. My new stuff is rather thin and cockled in > yet another experiment (though calligraphy looks > lovely on it.) > Would gluing the stuff to illustraton board keep it > from cockling? Would that depend on the glue? I have > many kinds available. > (I know we just went over some of this but it wasn't > an issue for me then.) > Many thanks, > Slaine > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. > =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #55 ****************************