From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #42 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 05 : Number 042 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: wax seal question Re: [scribes]: wax seal question Re: [scribes]: wax seal question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:10:59 -0400 From: martin.mandy@ns.sympatico.ca (Martin Higgins) Subject: [scribes]: wax seal question I have been following this thread for a while and wondered what the colour of the seals would be traditionally, as I have not had opportunity to see any, or at least in colour to my knowledge, am really not sure. Ok it may be kinda silly to ask, but thought it interesting :o) Griet =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:12:52 -0600 From: "Amy L. Hornburg Heilveil" Subject: Re: [scribes]: wax seal question - --=====================_951359863==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:10 PM 2/27/2001 -0400, Martin Higgins wrote: >I have been following this thread for a while and wondered what the colour >of the seals would be traditionally, as I have not had opportunity to see >any, or at least in colour to my knowledge, am really not sure. > Ok it may be kinda silly to ask, but thought it interesting :o) >Griet Black and dark red are the two colors I see most in my research. Despina - --=====================_951359863==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 PM 2/27/2001 -0400, Martin Higgins wrote:

I have been following this thread for a while and wondered what the colour
of the seals would be traditionally, as I have not had opportunity to see
any, or at least in colour to my knowledge, am really not sure.
Ok it may be kinda silly to ask, but thought it interesting :o)
Griet

Black and dark red are the two colors I see most in my research.

Despina - --=====================_951359863==_.ALT-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:22:21 -0800 From: Carolyn_Richardson@cch.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: wax seal question >>Black and dark red are the two colors I see most in my research.<< Same here. Red more often than black, from what I've seen. As to the wax seals, I can honestly say that in both helping out with doing the actual seals and seeing a LOT of scrolls with the seals pored on to them directly, I've never seen one that I would consider to have ruined the look of the scroll. As Despina points out, even if the seal eventually falls of (and it has happened), you wind up with a red stain from the wax which I've seen on a lot of period documents that sufferred the same problem. Real seals look a lot better IMNSHO than a rubber stamp ever would, even if the seal is broken by accident. No offense to the Middle, but a rubber stamp sounds kind of tacky to me after all these years of real seals. Pouring the seals directly onto the scroll is frankly a lot easier than trying to pour them as freehanging seals. You don't have to worry about the seal sticking to whatever backing you've poured it onto temporarily (such as plastic wrap or wax paper). It can be mastered with very little practice. Master Bruce started the practice of always slicing the scroll and inserting a piece of ribbon through the slice, even when pouring directly onto the scroll. This keeps the seal in place even if the wax becomes too soft or brittle, since it's sealed to a small piece of ribbon. But even without the ribbon, I've rarely heard of seals falling off scrolls in Caid. And as to period practice, I've seen lots of letters of marque and other legal documents that were folded as johannes said, but were sealed directly on the folds as well without a pendant seal. It seems to vary considerably even in period, depending on who happened to be doing the sealing. Tetchubah =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #42 ****************************